On Griffey to Seattle and then Atlanta and then God only knows what's going on really
It would take a completely crazy person to suggest that Ken Griffey Junior should play any position but designated hitter in 2009. His legs are on their last... well, legs, and he's lost enough of his youthful zip to make Raul Ibanez look like a shaved perversion of Sonic the Hedgehog*. If, two months ago, you had told me that a National League team would be attempting to poach him from the clutches of our collective nostalgia, I would have happily bet Jeff's liver that you were wrong.
Three days ago his signing with us seemed like a certainty. Those of us against the deal were braced to make the best of what felt like a bad situation, those for were in a jubilant mood over his return. We've gone through the pros and cons of a Junior signing more than enough times, and this isn't the place to rehash it, but what it came down to is that he looked like he'd make a serviceable DH for a rebuilding Seattle team in 2009.
And now it doesn't.
As it turns out, the Atlanta Braves are run by crazy persons. For some reason they've decided not only that Griffey can still hit and play a full season without tripping over a puppy and impaling both thighs on a pair of socks, they think he's capable of playing the field. Some reports are hinting that they're hopeful that he can play centre field on occasion.
Frankly, you can't come to that conclusion without being totally insane. The only way he's comparable to any of the outfielders currently on the roster is if you forced everyone else to wear blindfolds and filled their shoes with burning coals, and even if he was, he'd be more likely to be injured if he was forced to gambol about chasing pop flies down in a corner.
When you engineer a situation where something probably wouldn't work even if it did work, something has gone terribly wrong in the decision-making process. To compound matters for the Braves, Garrett Anderson is still available. He's roughly as valuable as Griffey overall but can actually play defence without being in violation of the Geneva Convention, and he probably wouldn't cost as much. Atlanta can't even claim the same sort of value from him that the M's can off the field, so they'd be worse off than us in both a baseball sense and a ticket-selling sense. I'd dismiss the whole thing as nothing but posturing if everyone else didn't seem so damn sure about it.
The most amazing part of all of this is that for the first time in ages, Griffey is available, makes some sort of sense for the team, and there's been mutual interest - and a deal still isn't getting done. And if Junior's move to Seattle falls through, Zduriencik and co. are going to get trashed for not giving #24 the respect he deserves, while Griffey gets remembered as some sort of saint, despite twice spurning the city.
I guess we should thank Frank Wren for keeping us on our toes. Because goodness knows I hate it when divisive Mariner personnel moves aren't horribly protracted.
The last time Ken Griffey Junior screwed us we somehow ended up with the best of the bargain. I can only hope that if he does indeed head over to the East Coast, we turn to a Swisher or Johnson trade rather than to Anderson. If we get back into the trade market because of this, things could get interesting very quickly.
*I hope we get some hilarious search hits for this simile.
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by lemonverbena on Feb 16, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
Originally, I thought Frank Wren had been royally screwed over by Furcal and his agent.
Now, I’m thinking that Wren may well have hallucinated the whole supposed “commitment” he accused Kinzer of offering. Because surely he must be insane, no?
I can’t even begin to imagine what must be running through the thought processes of a front office that thinks Junior is a serviceable outfielder. Did IQ’s suddenly drop sharply while John Schuerholz was away?
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
The crazy thing is Schuerholz is still team president. If there was ever a time for a team president to meddle, I think this is it.
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by BrettJMiller on Feb 16, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
That perplexes me too. Either he's determined to be a hands-off guy and let Wren have his freedom, or (and this is even more disturbing) he agrees.
It’s not impossible – remember this is the organization that started Jeff Francoeur in the outfield for nearly three years before realizing how awful he was.
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
I was going to scoff, but UZR apparently doesn't hate Francoeur.
2005 was a half-season sample size with a high BABIP. He hit well, but the .549 SLG doesn’t appear to have been real.
In 2006 he sucked.
In 2007 he actually put up a league-average wOBA, and UZR says he was +18(!). I wonder how much of a role his arm played in that? Also, he had the same high BABIP (.342) that he had in 2005.
Then in 2008, of course, he was more than a full win below replacement level.
He’s a hard player to read, but it appears that the only times he’s had “good” years, it’s been propped up by a high BABIP or surprising UZR numbers. I’m not going to dismiss the UZR numbers, but they definitely surprise me.
After writing all this, my conclusion is: I don’t know what the hell to think of Jeff Francoeur.
From what I've read he's got the team leader/clubhouse chemistry/knows how to win tag.
Scout’s Honor is a decent read, it has quite a bit on what went into the Francoeur signing. I realize you are speaking of his playing stats, I’m just saying. The intangibles and all that.
Now to think about the big picture in all this
An organization this dumb and incompetent ripped off Bill Bavasi + Co with Soriano/Ho-Ram
We were outsmarted by a team that thinks Griffey can still play centerfield
by mariners124m on Feb 16, 2009 6:35 PM PST reply actions
That was two years ago, and both teams had different GMs
by Graham MacAree on Feb 16, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
I lose
I didn’t realize Atlanta had a new GM
Fuck my life
by mariners124m on Feb 16, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
But Graham....
…as Brett pointed out above, it’s not like John Schuerholz has disappeared from the scene. He’s still team president, and I remember him being very much involved in the whole Kinzer/Furcal/Tellem mess awhile back. Surely he would shoot this down if he thought it was as stupid as we all seem to think?
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
I'm pretty uncomfortable assigning blame/credit to anyone from other orgs who aren't GMs
I don’t know how the situation in Atlanta is working, and if you have information to the contrary, I’d be interested in seeing it.
by Graham MacAree on Feb 16, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
MLB.TV
Barry Larkin said tonight that Junior brings “Gold-Glove” defense to CF or LF.
Barry Larkin did play baseball, correct?
Barry Larkin: no-doubt Hall of Fame shortstop. Not a no-doubt Hall of Fame analyst
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
I caught that earlier too...
I was floored. The entire quote (I had to rewind to listen to it a couple times) was:
"He can play a gold glove center field, or left field, or right field. He’s willing to make adjustments, he’s shown that. But I think the biggest thing he can do is really help the younger players."
Oh, and the big thing...
Everyone on the show halfway agreed with him. Nobody batted an eye.
That was one of the refrains of the day from radio callers
That Griffey’s mere presence in the clubhouse would give the team someone to rally around, and all that pissy infighting would magically disappear.
He does have Gold Gloves.
So does Willie Mays. I wonder why he doesn’t play CF any more, since it’s obvious the Say Hey Kid could help the younger players.
by eponymous_coward on Feb 16, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
Larkin has been saying this for weeks
I wrote a fan post when MLB Network first launched and they had 20 minutes on Griffey to the M’s and Larkin made all those same points.
You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.
re: A Shaved Perversion of Sonic the Hedgehog
He also is much less talented at getting rings.
by Fett42 on Feb 16, 2009 6:45 PM PST reply actions 24 recs
Ouch.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Feb 16, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
Sonic the Hedgehog was a very speedy video game character who collected rings.
by Teej on Feb 16, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This
is probably the funniest thing anyone has ever posted about anything.
Also, as an aside....
…lord knows I’m the last person to hate on USSM (love those guys). But…yeah, the whole “it’s a done deal! Trust us, we’re sure of it! It’s down to the formality of the physical” bit looks kinda dumb now.
Of course who knows? If Griffey ends up with us anyway, no harm no foul.
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
You mean, the way they read the stories from the Mariner beat reporters and the National Baseball writer, and passed the news along?
Yeah, fair enough. But I didn't read those same stories! I went their word!
Anyway, it does seem downright churlish to knock on them, given how right they usually are.
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
This is the same reason I hate it when idiots say:
“According to MLBtraderumors.com!”
I know it’s a website that reports a lot of shit, but if they ever reported their own rumor, I haven’t read it. They get their crap from every RSS feed they’ve ever signed up for and that’s it.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Feb 16, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
Those are rumours though
What USSM did was analyze the situation and chose the only logical outcome, both based on what Griffey had said and what the Mariners needed. The only reason USSM might end up being wrong is because Atlanta apparentely doesn’t have clue. It’s very hard to work stupidity into logic, see. If you happen to have a formula, I’d love to hear it.
Where the fuck does this shit come from?
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Feb 16, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
Even if he comes to Seattle,
any success the Mariners achieve would likely have nothing to do with Griffey.
I hate when players don’t have the sense to know when to retire. It just tarnishes their memory and their “image”.
"I lof to hit de home ron!"
Bavasi getting fired made me neither happy nor sad
However, Griffey choosing Atlanta was be perfect on so many levels that I can hardly believe that it’s possible.
by JI on Feb 16, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
Until the Cards make a last-last minute offer for him....
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Feb 16, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
This seems realistic because
if there’s anything they need it’s more outfielders.
by JI on Feb 16, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
Larry Stone has the Wren/Griffey meeting on his blog
oh, and it was Bring Your Kid To Work day at the Peoria complex















