Calm Down
Yes, it appears that Josh Fields and the Mariners have agreed to a contract, with his signing bonus likely somewhere in the $1.5 - $2.0 million range. Yes, that means one of the first round picks, 22, that many of us thought to be in the bag is now gone.
However, it's not like we get nothing out of this. We get Josh Fields. Yeah, you can get a higher ceiling player out of that slot, but there's a couple things to keep in mind. For those of you who attended last June's meet up, Bob Fontaine raved about Fields and Fontaine has a better scouting mind than everyone here put together. Jack Zduriencik, who is in that same stratosphere approved this deal as well. So you have Jack Zduriencik and Bob Fontaine (among others) saying this player can help us. Maybe we should trust them for until we hear more details?
Furthermore, we know the budget is a concern this season. We've seen the big league team pass on opportunities it liked because of money constraints. The number two overall pick is going to require a lot of bonus money. Three other picks in top 40 were probably going to strain that budget so there was always a chance that among those picks the team would have taken a signability player.
Lets wait and see how much Fields got and what the rest of Zduriencik's plans are before passing judgement. He at least deserves that much given his track record so far.
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So, how much money is Strasburg expecting?
Assume that the Nationals draft a baseball-playing mule because they’re cheap and he falls to Seattle; how much is it gonna take to sign him?
Sounds about right.
Posey and Alvarez topped $7 million, though, so I wonder if Boras can get Strasburg closer to $8 million.
And it's very possible he'll be worth it
by seattlebruin on Feb 14, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
And he won't get that.
If this winter is any sign, bonuses might be down this June. Boras will probably say $10M just like he says stuff with all his clients.
I don't know about that.
Boras has a ton of leverage here. The Nats can’t afford not to sign their first round pick 2 years in a row. Especially when this first round pick is an elite college prospect.
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Paul White was on KIRO this aft., and opined that the place the current economics might show up this year could be at the June draft, and that there might be either signings that don’t happen, of draftees who get less than they anticipated
We've come a long way it seems since the Bavasi regime.
Already in the “we should trust them” for now stage. That being said I agree whole-heartedly that Dr. Z has earned that faith.
I am glad he signed.
We don’t know who is going to be available this next draft at the No.22 slot. In Fields, we know we are getting a hard-throwing, potential closer. Can’t be too upset about that, especially if GMZ can turn his value into another Putz trade in the future.
My understanding is that control problems are his weakness. That is something Fields can fix, a lot like Morrow has done. I like the signing, albeit I do not know how the contract number may hinder the team (if any at all).
I can't be too mad at Jack Z. for signing him.
Probably not the best use of a first-round pick, but what is Jack supposed to do about that? It wasn’t his pick. And, like Wilder. said, there’s no knowing who will be available at 22 next year. Hopefully the kid turns into a lights out reliever. Isn’t that what this year is about? Accruing talent and seeing what pans out? If Fields doesn’t work, we still have plenty of early picks in upcoming drafts.
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I really don't get it
He might be a really good reliever, but at the end of the day what the hell did we want another closer for?
I guess we’ll just wait and see how this turns out.
We do have a lack of true power relievers at the upper level
Not that power relievers are necessarily necessary
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I am not at all a fan of this move, but it's different than before for a couple of reasons.
When Bavasi made moves I didn’t like, I never thought “Well, maybe there’s something I’m missing here.” It’s possible (probable even) that one (or multiple) of the reasons Matthew gave would explain it, or maybe it’s something else. But I don’t feel like the decision to sign him was the result of a terrible decision making process, and that makes all the difference in the world. I might not get it (and might not even be the right decision) but I think that the decision to sign him was almost certainly made for good reasons. That’s different than before.
None of us are going to love every move the Mariners make from here on out. Not every move the Mariners make is going to turn out well. I think we all know this. But I actually think that the people in charge know what they’re doing for the first time since before I knew shit about shit.
Am I the only one that's curious about the actual terms of the deal?
I mean, I’m already seeing assumptions that Zduriencik surveyed the situation before deciding to move in on Josh Fields. This makes perfect sense…if he signed him for +$1.85 Million.
But what if he signed him for less than $1.65 Million? This is not too far from Zduriencik’s initial contract offer of $1.5 Million which has been on the table forever (before people started salivating over getting that draft pick by not signing Fields).
Seems like if Josh Fields signed a similar deal to the one that was initially layed out nothing’s really changed. Zduriencik gets what he wants at the right price and Fields takes the money and runs while the gettin’s good.
Zduriencik also made it a point throughout the offseason to separate the Fields situation from the offseason plan. From my understanding, Zduriencik wants to sign Josh Fields because of Fields’ talent and not because they want an elite-level reliever someday.
I was initially displeased about this
But the more I think about it, the more it makes some sense. If either Lowe or Walker has success closing while Fields is seasoned in the minors, suddenly we have a valuable commodity to trade in July.
Additionally, aren’t having a strong defense & an elite closer two of the primary ingredients towards being a successful playoff team? Like a poster mentioned in the Josh Fields —→ Mariners thread, this at least sets us up better for 2010.
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Morrow
At least this hopefully means that the Morrow back to the bullpen idea is over.
I don't think Morrow back to the bullpen has been a realistic possibility since GMZ took over
he’s a starter until he proves he can’t do it. And if he can’t do it, he becomes the next Jonathan Papelbon.
by seattlebruin on Feb 13, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
And if the worse case scenario is that he is our Jonathan Papelbon
That is not a bad scenario to be in.
Gah! I'm hoping Morrow nailed his curve down this winter.
Felix/Morrow/healthy Bedard could be sick.
In the unlikely scenario Morrow can't stick as a starter this season, there's RR-S and Feierabend to take his place.
After that, Batista’s gone and you can pick up a 5th starter off the scrap heap somewhere, or put RR-S/Feierabend at the back of the rotation and upgrade the middle of the rotation. Batista, Washburn and (most likely) Bedard are gone after this year anyways, so it’s not like there isn’t ample time to replace Morrow if it comes down to it.
by Aaron Campeau on Feb 14, 2009 1:52 AM PST up reply actions
I'm very curious to see what happens to Bedard.
I actually think the best case scenario for us long term would be that he pitches healthy and reasonably well, and accepts a 2/18 or 2/20 extension or some such that gives him a chance to completely rehabilitate his value over that contract.
by seattlebruin on Feb 14, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Eric Gagne, watch your back!
Griffey come home
by .Taylor on Feb 14, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
This feels very similar to the Varitek negotiations many years ago.
We had all started to assume he was never going to sign and then BAM! he signs in late April.
At least this happened early enough for Fields to go to spring training. I will not be shocked to see him on the team in September.
ah, he just threatened to ...
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From my understanding, Zduriencik wants to sign Josh Fields because of Fields’ talent and not because they want an elite-level reliever someday.
This is what Matthew’s getting at here. The signing shows me a couple of things:
1) The 2009 Draft really must be terrible in Jack’s eyes (as I’ve heard it is through several others’)
2) Jack thinks Fields is worth losing the pick in this draft
3) Jack sees Fields as a very talented guy.
I think I’ll trust Jack on this one.
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This.
I wouldn’t mind Jack having another pick, but if he didn’t like the guy, he wouldn’t sign him. And Jack’s been pretty good about identifying talent.
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by BrettJMiller on Feb 14, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
What it comes down to
is simple:
Did Zduriencik think Fields was better value than the #21 pick in the 2009 draft.
Apparently he did.
Who's...
saying the 2009 draft is terrible? I’m not arguing. Just curious. Haven’t seen much comparative analysis on the draft-to-come.
I think this was purely a signability concern
If the Mariners are unable to sign their compensation pick in the 2009 draft, they forfeit the pick entirely. Which means that draftee’s agent can demand more than usual, knowing the Mariners will either have to give in to the agent’s demands or lose the pick.
That means that the Mariners would need to avoid the more talented players as well as the Scott Boras clients. Given the potential cost of that compensation pick vs. whatever they’re paying Fields, Zduriencik likely thought Fields was the better choice. But I think this had little to do with talent. Fields’ talent is being an elite reliever. He has no other talents. I guess it’s possible that they convert him to a starter, but that seems unlikely.
If anything, I’m annoyed we drafted a reliever that high in the first place. I’d be surprised if Fields could out pitch Aardsma in ST. Coincidentally, Aardsma is a former 1st round draft pick chosen 22nd overall by the Giants as – you guessed it – a closer. Let’s hope Fields can figure out his control better than Aardsma could.
BA says...
we split the difference. Fields gets 1.75 million.
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Sooner rather than later
Another reason that Z may have wanted Fields is just that sometimes you want your talent sooner rather than later. Fields is more likely to arrive by 2010 or 2011 than anyone we draft this year (unless we get Strassburg, something I still regard as unlikely.)
I think that there’s also a chance that Fields is seen as a starting pitcher candidate. Max Scherzer was considered a future reliever as recently as this time last year. And why wouldn’t you try that? I don’t know shit about developing talent, but it stands to reason that training to be a starter develops 90% of what you need to be a reliever, so there’s no cost to training a starter. If it works, score, it not, you have your future closer. The kid struck out an absurd 15.2 per 9 with 2.86 K/BB. I don’t mean to be saying that the two are comparable, but Strasburg only hit 12.3K/9. (The noteworthy difference being an 8 K/BB ratio.)
By my count,
Fields only started one game in four years at Georgia, and he only threw two innings. Scherzer at least did some starting at Missouri. I don’t know if it’s just his style or if he doesn’t have a legit third pitch, but it doesn’t appear that starting is in his future.
Hmmm.
Easily forgotten in all of this, about our former first-rounder, is that Brandon Morrow, in 3 years of college baseball, only started 19 games (out of 43 games total — less than half). Throw in the 5 games he started in his first pro season and it’s no wonder some people legitimately are concerned about his long-term ability to stick in the rotation…
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by PositivePaul on Feb 15, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, totally...
It’s just that the Morrow thing crossed my mind again.
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by PositivePaul on Feb 16, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
Jack Z has claimed another Brewer (sorry for veering off the topic, but I thought you'd like to know)
(I’m a Brewer fan visiting from Brewcrewball, by the way)
We designated Luis Pena for assignment last week to add former Angel Nick Green, and Z has claimed him. He had a major meltdown at AAA last year, but was our Closer of the Future for a while. He has some ridiculous stuff— throws around 97 and has a really nasty splitter, but not a whole lot of control, obviously.
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The M’s agreement with first-round pick Josh Fields is not a Major League contract, and the two sides split the difference on the bonus, landing at $1.75 million.
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