The Past, the Path Not Taken and the Present
2008 is over with and now that we some pretty accurate WAR values up on FanGraphs we can look back at some past performances and use hindsight on some old decisions. For instance:
In the off season following the disastrous 2004 season, rumors were abound that the Mariners were pursuing one of (I don't think they ever actually considered signing both) Carlos Delgado or Richie Sexson.
Carlos Delgado was coming off a down year with the Blue Jays, having established a previous level of being a 5-win player, he produced just 2.5 wins in 2004. Richie Sexson was coming off a nearly completely lost year in 2004 suffering a season ending shoulder injury just 23 games into 2004. Prior to that, Sexson was about a 3.5-win player.
Delgado, a left-handed batter, seemed like a better fit, but expressed a desire to play close to his Puerto Rican home and dallied on the Mariners' offer. As a result, Richie Sexson finally accepted a 4-year, $50-million deal and the Mariners ended their pursuit of Delgado, and he ended up with Florida (for a year) on a 4-year, $52-million contract with a fifth year option.
Four years later, how did those two players perform? Well, it's no surprise that Carlos Delgado greatly exceeded Sexson in performance. Delgado totaled 10.9 wins over the period from 2005-8 and was good enough to convince the Mets to pick up a $12 million option (correctly, as the marginal cost of the option was only $8 million).
Sexson was on pace to better Delgado through the first two seasons of the contract, accruing 7.2 wins between 2005 and 2006 (compared to Delgado's 6.9). Interestingly, that average of 3.6 wins per season were right about in line with Sexson's previously established level of performance. If he had maintained that through 2008, he would have ended up being worth his contract (showing how dumb that contract was, to need him to maintain that level just to break even). Alas, Sexson completely collapsed and was worth a staggering -2.2 wins over 2007-8, leaving him with a total of just five wins for the four year span of 2005-8.
So in hindsight, we totally should have signed Delgado right? Well...
Lets take another retrospective look, this time at our current projected first basemen, Russell Branyan. Branyan, under team control with Milwaukee at the time had his final two arbitration seasons in 2005-6. He had a team option exercised in 2007 and signed a minor league contract in 2008. All told, Branyan's earned about $3-4 million during that same four year period. In that span, Branyan accumulated 3.9 wins. Not bad for the amount of money paid him, but still quite a bit worse than Delgado, right?
Well, it's not that simple. See, WAR is a counting stat, not a rate stat and Russell Branyan was given just 870 PAs over those four year while Carlos Delgado had 2,527. On a rate basis, Branyan notched one win per 223 PAs while Delgado managed one win per 232 PAs. So not only was Branyan incredibly cheaper, but he was more productive on a per plate appearance basis over the 2005-8 seasons.
Now, that's ignoring a pretty big assumption that Branyan would be just as productive over 2,527 PAs as he was over 870, but that's not really the point here. The point is just to point to one example of how aside from some very very very few cases (Pujols and uhh... maybe Teixeira), signing big name first basemen to long term free agent deals is almost always a worse alternative than finding that latest example of Russell Branyan.
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I still don't understand what this is that I feel about this team's Front Office
I haven’t felt this in a so very long about the Mariners. Dare I call it confidence?
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Feb 10, 2009 8:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You are right
I have not been programmed to feel human emotion. That said, this team is exhibiting odd characteristics compared to its prior tendencies
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Feb 10, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beep boop boop
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Feb 10, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They've figured out how to get Roombas to post on the Internet?
I’m frightened. SKYNET is next. :(
by eponymous_coward on Feb 10, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're forgetting
PECOTA is SKYNET. It’s already here.
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/2/9/754390/pecota-projects-mariners-t#
by pygmalion on Feb 10, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I’m SOOOOOOOO glad I never wrote that article about why I was fine with signing Richie Sexson instead of Carlos Delgado.
Yeah, I was even more of an idiot that I am now…
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Feb 10, 2009 8:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Platoon..
It’s unfair to predict what Branyon would have produced over 2527 at bats because he would have been a full time player and his ineffectiveness against lefthanders would have killed him. But, platooning him with a righthander could give you Delgado’s value and combined still cost less.
by uneasy rider on Feb 10, 2009 9:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, you mean like with Chris Shelton?
Fun Fact: all 4 of the Fangraphs projection systems project Shelton to be = or > Griffey for wOBA and wRAA.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=327&position=OF
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1891&position=1B
Now, granted, these systems aren’t accounting for Safeco being Death To Righties, but still… Shelton’s projections aren’t much different from Branyan’s, either.
by eponymous_coward on Feb 10, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Know when to walk away, Know when to run.
If the F.O. people in baseball had the nuts to hold players to short term contracts, or eat big contracts once the player crapped out, the Sexsons of the world would work out fine. We would have got the 2 good years, and moved on sometime in 07’ when it was obvious he was done. Branyon was not nearly as good as Sexson in 05’ & 06’
by Lantern on Feb 10, 2009 9:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting project:
Go look through the archives of LL and see what J/M/Gs opinions were regarding Sexson during the post-2006 offseason. Then go look through the archives of the blogs that claim we’re always wrong and see what their opinion was.
by Matthew on Feb 10, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, checking DOV...
… they seemed to want to trade Sexson during the 2006 offseason.
However, I did run into this little gem doing that search. Wow. Outstanding lulz.
by eponymous_coward on Feb 10, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's lucky
that comments were closed on that post.
by pygmalion on Feb 10, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't referring to DOV on Sexson, there were other people who cried outrage at any talk of trading him.
Though DOV did think Sexson projected and would age well, they were far more hot and bothered with going after Barry Zito.
by Matthew on Feb 10, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I noticed.
Also full of complete fail.
by eponymous_coward on Feb 11, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm happy I started posting right after we signed both of them
So no record exists of how I thought the Sexson signing was awesome.
by Edgar for Pres on Feb 10, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
...
I think that record exists now
by Malcontent1 on Feb 10, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How many wins do you think you could have a year
If you were given $60 million a year and no farm system to support yourself?
by Edgar for Pres on Feb 10, 2009 10:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
How many WS could you win?
I’m thinking that you could field a respectable team, but you would essentially never be able to grab enough talent to win a WS.
The existence of such a team might have a weird effect on the market for players like Branyan. I would guess that all of the Branyan-type players would see modest salary gains due to the increased demand for their services, but I wouldn’t be sure of that.
by ubelmann on Feb 10, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is...
I would have maybe been marginally convinced by that article had I seen it when it came out. I wouldn’t have because he says stuff like Vidro was a Sexon caliber bat, but still pretty ridiculous. I haven’t been bathing in sabermetrics and defensive metrics and aging curves and stuff like that long enough to not remember what it was like to be an uninformed fan.
Thank god that’s over though. I shit my pants apx. 4 times while reading that article. Funny stuff.
by Zwakamatsu on Feb 11, 2009 1:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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