Figgins Official
by Graham on Dec 8, 2009 1:48 PM PST
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Welcome Chone!
I officially don’t hate you anymore.
I was saying boo-urns.
by Floyd Gondoli on Dec 8, 2009 1:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm balls deep in excitement.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Dec 8, 2009 1:55 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Chone is ground balls and soft liners in excitement.
But the amount of overall excitement is still the same.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Dec 8, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since we've pretty much assumed it was happening since Friday it seems a little anti-climactic
Still, hooray and huzzah and all that.
by Gihyou on Dec 8, 2009 1:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
How long tell the first
“Beltre would have had that” post?
by Fear on Dec 8, 2009 1:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It'll happen at approximately 1:58pm on Dec. 8, 2009.
Say it with me: Washington Capitals. Capitals.
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
by JLProck on Dec 8, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And welcome to Chone.
You’ll never be Adrian Beltre in my heart, but you’re still a welcome addition to this team. Keep up the defense, alright?
Say it with me: Washington Capitals. Capitals.
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
by JLProck on Dec 8, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know what number he'll be wearing?
by Fogel on Dec 8, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm putting my money on 6
Flip 9 around on the other side of the rivalry.
by njd.aitken on Dec 8, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone had 6 since Dan Wilson?
I can’t remember…
by Mikky on Dec 8, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Woodward
It is my favorite number and it slightly perturbed me.
by Interceptor on Dec 8, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Guillen, J
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 8, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Drayer, quoting Z:
We have made it clear we have interest in an infielder we previously had. Zduriencik on why Figgins may not play 3rd
by Teej on Dec 8, 2009 2:07 PM PST reply actions 8 recs
I would rec it a million times if I could.
by Terminator X on Dec 8, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This would lead to me having a happygasm if it were to manifest
Trying to not get my hopes up :(
by OlSalty on Dec 8, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck Jeff Cirillo.
Say it with me: Washington Capitals. Capitals.
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
by JLProck on Dec 8, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
,
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Dec 8, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone else know he's currently the color guy for the Brewers?
by BrianL on Dec 8, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
There ain't no turning back when our train is off its track, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash (watch it crash)
And there ain't no right and wrong when we know it won't be long, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash
-Tomas Kalnoky/Streetlight Manifesto, Watch It Crash
by kentcheesehead on Dec 8, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cedeno???
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Dec 8, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Bloomquist!
Angels baseball! You gotta love these guys!
by sooper jeenyus on Dec 8, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Please happen
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo, Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
by gregrabble on Dec 8, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Alex Rodriguez probably costs too much, and Omar Vizquel can't swing a bat anymore.
Do we have all the former Mariner infielders yet?
by ChristopherA on Dec 8, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was my favorite player when I was old enough to remember watching baseball.
by AtomicGarden on Dec 9, 2009 1:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's because he was the King.
The King of Pop-ups!
by Wilder. on Dec 9, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one who thinks he may be talking about Branyan?
by Vatinius on Dec 8, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't really make sense in that context
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo, Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
by gregrabble on Dec 8, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know it's huge, but it's awesome:
by EnglishMariner on Dec 8, 2009 2:10 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
My new favorite Irish baseball player!
by DaCheez on Dec 8, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we can add Nick Johnson and Rich Harden I'll be so excited for 2010.
And if we extend Felix … I will extend something.
by EnglishMariner on Dec 8, 2009 2:15 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Are Chone and Junior just chopped liver to you? Come on!!!
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Dec 8, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Signing Nick Johnson and Harden would just about complete the offseason.
Adding a DH and C would be gravy, but those positions can be filled internally. Adam Moore could blossom and Mike Carp can DH.
by Wilder. on Dec 8, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
We need Johnson, good reasonable cost bat. We have replacement level+ backup at the position if he gets hurt.
Would be nice to add a ~league average DH (2 wins), and use Griffey as a PH.
Harden would be great too, like Johnson we easily have slightly above replacement level arms to fill in if he misses some time, but we need the upside potential.
Mike Cameron would be great too for a year, if we can afford him. Granderson is gone and we dont want Bay, so probably Saunders will be the left fielder. Cameron is about the only one left that I would be happy to see us get at that position.
by ARock on Dec 8, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would think
Johnson would DH and Carp would play 1B so that we could protect Nick Johnson’s china doll body.
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 8, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Carp can DH in the same sense that Griffey can, or Loafie can play 1B.
Yes, you CAN do this. No, you SHOULDN’T do this if you can avoid it. Carp’s not that good a hitter.
FWIW, Bill James projects Griffey and Carp to be ~.330 wOBA hitters (Carp, .331, Griffey, .328), and I think James’s system is likely overprojecting their performance (as it does for a lot of players)- but the point is it calls them out as being roughly equivalent. We should be trying to do better than have a replacement-level DH. Carp’s fine as a backup plan, but that’s it, especially given that the Designated Hugger is going to be on the roster anyway.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 8, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that is a blatant pessimistic projection, which is acceptable for a young prospect.
But Carp can hit. Maybe not for power, but he posted .391 wOBA in Double-AA and .364 wOBA in Triple-A (.388 wOBA during his short time in the majors).
And hitting isn’t what is intriguing about Carp, it’s his ability to get on base. The guy is an on-base machine and it makes him much more valuable than Griffey at DH. If Carp can develop a little bit of power, he can be a left-handed version of Edgar Martinez without the batting average.
by Wilder. on Dec 8, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Edgar's a horrible comparison for Carp.
Edgar has a career that’s very, very unusual as MLB ones go. Almost nobody (OK, maybe guys like Jose Cruz Sr. and Minnie Minoso) has their peaks in their 30’s.
I think Carp is in the Paul Sorrento/Adam LaRoche/Brad Fullmer mode of guys who can hit some and deserve MLB time, but aren’t anything special, and his AAA numbers don’t scream “OMG promote this guy now”.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 8, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless a player is a top-50 hitter in baseball history, they are a horrible comparison to Edgar Martinez.
What I was trying to get at is that Carp has a similar skill set to Edgar. Carp will have to develop a bit more power and will fall short in batting average, but he will get on base 40% of the time and he can hit all over the field (e.g. not a dead pull hitter like the players you mentioned above).
Carp is going to surprise people. He won’t have the career Edgar had, but he will be a guy we can count on to produce at DH every year— unlike the revolving door of ineptitude we have had the last five seasons. Carp is a better option than Griffey at this point.
by Wilder. on Dec 8, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting that the Ms have had three of the NLB outliers ...
Edgar, Ichiro & Jamie
by msb on Dec 8, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You project Mike Carp for a .400 OBP in MLB?
by Matthew on Dec 8, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it is unreasonable considering the numbers he has put up the last couple of seasons.
2008 AA – .403 OBP in 566 PA
2009 AAA – .372 OBP in 490 PA
2009 ML – .415 OBP in 65 PA (yes, extremely limited sample size)
Nobody is going to accurately project what Carp can do in the majors, but he is only 23-years old and shown he has the ability to get on base in the high minors. If he can improve his zone contact percentage 5-10%, he will likely hit for a better average to go along with his high walk rate.
I doubt we’ll see much of Carp in 2010, but if he can develop some power in Triple-A this year, I think we’ll see Carp at 1B or DH full-time beginning in 2011.
by Wilder. on Dec 8, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay... thanks for the rebuttal?
Look, I’m not saying Carp is going to be a world-beater hitter. However, he has the skill set to be an above-average player on offense who could be a mainstay in the lineup.
Why is that so hard to believe?
by Wilder. on Dec 9, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not that I disagree that he has the potential to be above average
(Though that would take a bit of a step up on his part)
But .400 OBP is well above “above average” and seems wildly optimistic to me. You kind of have to throw out those MLB numbers until he gets more PA’s, and his AAA numbers were pretty far from .400 and should be expected to go down somewhat in transition to the majors.
by OlSalty on Dec 9, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Felix will get the extention.
Before Jan 15th. It will be a wait still but whatever.
by mark sobba on Dec 8, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I always have had a small warm spot in my heart for Chone because of MVP Baseball.
I don’t remember if it was the ‘04 or ’05 incarnation, but I loved that game to death (as I know some of you did too). My friends and I would always do fantasy drafts and usually we’d end up taking Chone because his overall rating was horrible, but all his skills were legit and he could fill in as a starter at any position you failed to take until Round 16 or so.
Anyway, whoo!
by SethGrandpa on Dec 8, 2009 2:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I got a Choner!
It’s out of my system now.
by Slow Country on Dec 8, 2009 3:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Is that like a shiner?
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Dec 8, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
,
® Eyebrows
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Dec 8, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Speaking of Eyebrows, I wonder what he thinks of all this?
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Dec 8, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have made my feelings known.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Dec 8, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure he has several of those at home.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Dec 8, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've covered one side of my entry hallway with them.
Sometimes, when it’s especially cold out, I like to crank up the heater, strip naked, grease myself up in butter and gyrate against the pleasurewall.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Dec 8, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Well yeah, this is what I assumed.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Dec 8, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is now my favorite LL comment, ever.
by Jeff Nye on Dec 8, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh you whippersnappers will never know.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Dec 8, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome Figgins,
may you be all I hope you to be! :D
by mark sobba on Dec 8, 2009 6:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Contract details
For those interested: link
Figgins gets a $2 million signing bonus and salaries of $8 million next year, $9 million each in 2011 and 2012 and $8 million in 2013. The $9 million option for 2014 becomes guaranteed if he has 600 plate appearances in 2013.
Safe to say the vesting option isn’t going to hurt us much. If Figgins is bad, it seems pretty unlikely he’ll get 600 PAs.
by JLC on Dec 8, 2009 6:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I like that vesting option alot more now. I figured would be lower than that.
FUCK THE DBACKS!
by Goose on Dec 8, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shit
If he bats seventh in the order and gets fives daya off, he’ll struggle to make 600PA. This vesting option comes to fruition only if he’s really good.
by philosofool on Dec 8, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like that vesting option a lot more than I liked Vidro's.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
by Benne on Dec 8, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm getting ready for Flo Rida's next Mariner song "You Can By My Chone."
A vesting option that is equal to his yearly salary and requires essentially a full season of play to vest is just excellent. I can’t see anything bad about this deal. This has put me in a great mood. Bring on tomorrow!
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Dec 8, 2009 7:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It is so obvious to me who Z is talking about
The Edgar is coming out of retirement to play third.
by Coug1990 on Dec 8, 2009 7:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My money is on Jose Vidro
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 8, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Felix Fermin?
Or we could stop naming every infielder ever to play for the Mariners and assume it’s Beltre since he’s the only recent infielder who would cause Figgins to move to 2nd.
by Mariner John on Dec 8, 2009 8:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Spie...
No, I can’t even say it as a joke.
by msb on Dec 8, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so glad i hadn't really gotten into baseball the time spiezio was around
I wished I hadn’t heard anything, to be honest.
by C-Nage on Dec 8, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Jones for second base!
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Dec 8, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was actually thinking Wilson Valdez
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by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 8, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think after reading the contract terms we can start to consider this 'Great News'.
600PA for his option to vest? $36 Million over four years for a 2-3 WAR player who can play multiple positions effectively?
by EnglishMariner on Dec 9, 2009 1:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
BB-Ref poo-pooing Figgins.
I wish they would have used wOBA rather than OPS+ to justify their claim, as a lot of Figgins production is with his legs, not the bat. There is also no reference to fielding or his versatility.
by EnglishMariner on Dec 9, 2009 4:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Shit.
Didn’t see this until after I put up the FanShot. Oh well.
That’s a POS article.
Say it with me: Washington Capitals. Capitals.
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
by JLProck on Dec 9, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh good god.
Do we have to call him that? Are we going to be hearing Herny and Moorey and Smithy too?
by nathaniel dawson on Dec 9, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Guillen
The Dodgers are looking for a pitcher in exchange for Carlos Guillen He would fit the “former Mariner infielder” category.
by Chimarinersfan on Dec 11, 2009 2:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That would be a nifty trick since Guillen is on the Tigers.
Also, I think we’ve got this covered in one of the rumor posts in the FanShot section. Also, this. I definitely agree he’d be nice if we could get rid of Silva in the process.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Dec 11, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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