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OT: Dec 6.

Thanksgiving is so November.

 

Indianapolis is the 13th largest city in the United States and  became the capital of Indiana in 1820.

The most common nickname for Indianapolis is ‘Indy’; other nicknames include ‘Circle City’ and ‘Naptown’.

Indianapolis was designated as the “Crossroads of America” in 1847 because a railroad was
built and was the first to have all its lines meet in one union station in the city.

The Indianapolis Zoo houses over 4,000 animals and is home to the state’s largest aquarium.
It also has the country’s first totally submerged, underwater dolphin viewing dome.

The Indianapolis 500 is the largest single day sporting event in the world.

The NCAA Hall of Champions (Hall of Fame for college athletics) is located in Indianapolis

Elvis Presley’s last concert was in Indianapolis at Market Square Arena in 1977.



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That's pretty much what happens

When you visit Indiana.

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Dec 9, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh dear.

No, it’s boring, so you want to take a nap….is this thing on?

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Dec 9, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I figured. :D

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Dec 9, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Indeed.

Just like the tundra!

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Dec 9, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Indy is also the home of my favorite NBA team...and jeez...the team is so bad.

It doesn’t help that the two times the Pacers the one year that they had clearly the best team and should’ve won the title The Artest Fight happened.

by SethGrandpa on Dec 6, 2009 8:31 PM PST reply actions  

I remember having to edit footage of the Artest fight in high school

We had a daily news program for the school and the Artest fight made it interesting for a day or two as I worked with it to incorporate the film into as many things as I could….such as “for lunch today we’ll be offering pizza, burgers and Ron Artest’s fist” (show footage of him punching some random fan)

I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ

by Fuzz on Dec 7, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Indiana is a boring state.

It cost me seventeen dollars to drive through it, I felt cheated out of my money because on top of it almost boring me to death, the roads were in poor condition too!

by ungoreatstefan on Dec 6, 2009 9:04 PM PST reply actions  

The Indiana Toll Road takes you through the worst part of Indiana

Gary and South Bend are not representative of the Indiana experience, especially from the interstate

Get off freeway in southern Indiana (southern being Indianapolis and southward), and your opinion of it will go up considerably. I’m mainly familiar with rural southern Indiana, but I’ve been told Indianapolis is a very nice town

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org

by Corco on Dec 6, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been

Through Southern Indiana as well, and didn’t really care for it. I suppose I haven’t given it a fair shake having never been through Indianapolis, but I haven’t cared for the state at all.

by ungoreatstefan on Dec 7, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I've been in LV for 20 days, and I'm still alive.

I’m even ambivalent about it. On the downside, I’ve been in LV for 20 days, and THERE ARE NO FUCKING FRIED CHICKEN PLACES WITHIN 20 FUCKING DRIVING MINUTES OF MY HOTEL.

On the plus side, I just found (and bought) these and am confusedly overjoyed, and had to share:

On another downside, I have no freezer for ice cream…

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 6, 2009 9:37 PM PST reply actions  

Which hotel?

There’s a bunch of kfc, church’s, or raising canes all near the I-15.

by George702 on Dec 7, 2009 7:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I wish they would put a raising canes up in seattle

I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ

by Fuzz on Dec 7, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

No, not really

I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ

by Fuzz on Dec 8, 2009 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Raising Canes does fried chicken? I thought it was a CluckU type (wings and fingers)

And I mean more of a boutique place like they have for almost every other ethnicity/region. Shouldn’t there be a “southern” place in one of these casinos?

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 7, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

The closest I have been to Indiana is Sandusky, Ohio,

Which is home to Cedar Point, only the most awesome amusement park that exists, and is home to such coasters as the Millennium Force and Top Thrill Dragster.

(Get your mind out of the gutter when looking at this one)

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by Fin on Dec 6, 2009 11:25 PM PST reply actions  

Or how about a better picture of them both

2009 Safeco Field Record: 6-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 10-4

by Fin on Dec 6, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

This reminds me of one of my favorite wikipedia articles!

Action Park

Highlights include the looping waterslide

And this gem:
“The park also sold beer in many kiosks on the grounds, with similarly lax enforcement of the drinking age as with other restrictions in the park. Doctors treating the injured often reported that many of them had alcohol on their breath.”

by lailaihei on Dec 6, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I love it:

“The ‘Space Shot’ attraction was fairly safe.”

by zeeehjee on Dec 7, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I have a hard time believing this place is real.

What a shitty safety record.

2009 Safeco Field Record: 6-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 10-4

by Fin on Dec 7, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll admire them

as I stand at their exits, holding everyone’s coats.

by msb on Dec 7, 2009 6:40 AM PST up reply actions  

SEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Dec 7, 2009 7:45 AM PST reply actions  

Fine, I'll finish it.

HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Dec 7, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

SInce when is 45th & Stone Way "in the University District"?

and shouldn’t a local traffic reporter know better?

by msb on Dec 7, 2009 7:48 AM PST reply actions  

Isn't that like...right next to Green Lake?

I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ

by Fuzz on Dec 7, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but U-District is wayyyyy wrong for that intersection

I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ

by Fuzz on Dec 7, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

One time when I was looking for an apartment

I went to one on about 98th & Greenwood that the landlord kept calling “North Green Lake”. Apparently he thought it’d make the neighborhood more appealing. I don’t know what the reporter’s excuse is though.

by pdb on Dec 7, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Hahahahaha

Sunday night footabll last night

“Sooner or later, 69 will be in your face.” – Al Michaels

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 9:42 AM PST reply actions  

Cris Colinsworth follows up with
Luckily that time he was able to avoid the double team.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Lucky guy.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Dec 7, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll take 14 degrees and clear over raining any day of the week

although I’m still trying to thaw out from my ride in to work this morning. It’s bad enough that there’s a cold wind, but did that same cold wind have to be in my damn face all the way in to work?

by pdb on Dec 7, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

It was alluding to the idea of warmth.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 7, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the sun!

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by Fin on Dec 7, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it has to do with the fact

that I was in Washington this past weekend and I’m deciding upon where I want to live.

[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]

by bluemax on Dec 7, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm...

Winter meetings and I have too much to work on to sit around doing obsessive link refreshing every few minutes. I scarcely seem to mind though. Perhaps is that I don’t have as much of a feeling of impending disaster as I once did.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 7, 2009 9:52 AM PST reply actions  

You don't have to sign up.

You could just follow the set of links Dave provided.

Although, if I were on Twitter, and as of yet I have no intention to be, I would probably read what you tweeted about.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 7, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Well I needed to signup to use the iphone app for it.

And just maybe I should start tweeting.

You could follow me on my adventure to Detroit!

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Its fun reading the foxsports comments under the Winter Meetings article.

“Seattle Branyan, in preliminary stage of negotiations, STOP THINK, last year 251 BA, 431 AB, 149 SO (35%), lifetime 2431 AB, 946 SO, (42%). “But he hit 31 HR’s” so what !!!!!! He also had ONLY 76 RBI’s hitting in the 4 hole. Let some other team have him,the GM brought him along with him from Mil. let him go back. The Seattle Mariners aren’t like that, they will keep the SO king and lose again next year. What a shame !!!!!"

I am forever grateful that I found USSM and LL or I would probably still be toiling around on these threads.

2009 Safeco Field Record: 6-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 10-4

by Fin on Dec 7, 2009 10:05 AM PST reply actions  

There are studies to be done of this thing.

The evolution of the Mariners online community is pretty fascinating to me. I think Dave and Derek got their starts on usenet, but then there were people like me who started out on the Mariners official site and later ESPN, where Jeff started out too.

I remember in 2002 or so, Baseball116 started out as an aggregator of Mariners news feeds with short commentary, then USSM started up in 2003 I think, and Leone for Third, my site, and now defunct entries like Mariners Wheelhouse and Mariner Musings soon followed, along with independent message boards. There was a time when it seemed like there would be a new blog every few weeks trying to carve out a space, but now we’re down to one or two new entries per year with roughly the same in losses, and the major ones still hanging on and influencing the local newspapers.

And to think we’ve all been a part of this.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 7, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Mine start was the PI blogs.

Which lead me to Jeff Shaw’s blog right before he joined USSmariner and from there I ran into Leone for third right before it became LL.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I started at the PI blogs as well.

Drifted to the Times blog for a while and then delurked after a few years of reading material both here and at USSM. I never read L43, though.

by BrianL on Dec 7, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I was going to make a bet.

But you would screen shot it.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Then I would have to suck your dick.

And that would be gross.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure you brought enough for everyone.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 7, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

You know all about giving, don't you Robert

I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ

by Fuzz on Dec 7, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

A lot of people seemed to start at the PI blogs.

I managed to bypass that phase entirely, as well as FanHome… or rather, by the time I got to FanHome it had been assimilated by Scout.com, and not without issues, which I think prompted a mass migration to the PI forums and then to SportSpot/Mariner Central. Weird.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 7, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I started on the MLB.com boards in early 2003

and then started reading USSM/L43 sometime during the offseason, and never left. I didn’t really comment on blogs ever until USSM opened comments, and that was the end of the world. I slowly became more active at L43, and now I’m here.

Posted a tiny bit on the P-I board,never touched the Times or ESPN.

When I started reading though I’d say Wheelhouse, Mariner Optimist, and Sports and Bremertonians were my favorites to read…it was a good 6 months before L43 even emerged as something I read every day. USSM was always the Cadillac of Mariner blogs though

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org

by Corco on Dec 7, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd forgotten about the Bremertonians.

They were good fun while they were around. I miss them sometimes.

The Optimist is still lurking in various places. He said he’d come back someday, but now that we all have reason to be optimistic, there’s almost no role for him anymore.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 7, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

YES

Where is our favorite forty-ninth rounder to make the major leagues?

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 7, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Signed a MAJOR LEAGUE DEAL with Boston

He was pretty effective in Japan the last couple years though, but I admit I forgot all about him and definitely double-taked when I saw his name

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org

by Corco on Dec 7, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

A lot of guys who head over to that side of the pond don't come back.

At one point, I thought Rick Guttormson was going to pitch for the Mariners. He was one of those neat indy league reclamations projects we picked up back in ‘04 I think. We even added him to the 40-man, as I remember, but then he decided that he was going to play in Japan. He’s moved to Korea now, but before that he threw the first no-hitter in interleague play for the NPB.

anyway, good for Atchison!

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 7, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Rick got busted as the first PED player in Japan

and was suspended for 40 or 50 games. If I remember the story correctly, he said it was for something to keep him from going bald and he didn’t know it was illegal.

I played little league and graduated high school with him, but didn’t keep up after HS because we didn’t like each other very much. If he is still anything like he was as a teenager, I believe he would take PEDs and take something to cover it up. I also equally believe he’d not take PEDs and fuck himself over by taking something illegal even though he didn’t know it was illegal.

by Jed MC on Dec 7, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

No shit?

Yeah, I remember the PED story, masking agent and all that, might be why he ended up leaving the NPB after 2008. Who knows really?

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 7, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I have no idea really what happened and I don't remember

if there was a follow-up to the initial PED story in the US. We graduated from Anacortes High School in 1995 and I haven’t seen him since then. He was never a bad guy, but we had very different personalities. Of course, a person can change dramatically over 10+ years and even though I’d believe both sides, it probably will keep him from playing in the US and Japan ever again.

by Jed MC on Dec 7, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Now all they have to do is ban the people who blatantly aimbot/wallhack on PC

I thought this new multiplayer system was supposed to be unhaxxable? I’ve run into a few pretty blatant cheaters

by OlSalty on Dec 7, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Team name ideas needed!

My wife and I just joined a bowling league, and we are apparently taking over a team that lost all its members, and we’ve been told we can keep the existing name or come up with our own name. The current name is Pin Pirates, which is somewhat lame. So I need ideas for a team name. The only two hard-and-fast rules are no obscenities and nothing political.

Any ideas?

by pdb on Dec 7, 2009 1:45 PM PST reply actions  

Pin Pals, a la the Simpsons.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Dec 7, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Dec 7, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Pin Monkeys?

And then Yuni could be your mascot.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Dec 7, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

The Flying Potatoes

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by Corco on Dec 7, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Awww, no obscenities

I was thinking just change “Pin” to “Ass” and you’re set

by seattlebruin on Dec 7, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

.

The PIN-ipeds?

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Dec 7, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Strike Team

Spare Me
We’ve Got Big Balls
The Bowling Stones

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Dec 7, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I just wanted to recognize that at least SOMEONE got the reference.

My team is named “Moving to Florida” after the Butthole Surfers song, which begins “I been movin’ down to Florida / I’m gonna bowl me a perfect game”

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 8, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Pedantic question

Is it “data is” or data are" (eg “The data is skewed” or “The data are skewed”)

I always say “data are” but tend to get funny look

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by Corco on Dec 7, 2009 2:38 PM PST reply actions  

That's why I wonder

Sure, from a grammatical perspective “data are” is correct, but functionally has English evolved to the point where, for all intents and purposes, the correct usage “data is?”

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org

by Corco on Dec 7, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Who else had a whole slew of good beer this weekend?

I decided to not listen to my hatred of large masses of people and go to the Holiday Ale Festival on Friday. While there were indeed eighty bajillion people there, I had a ton of good beers. In no particular order:

Hair Of The Dog JIM
Collaborator Sled Crasher
Block 15 Old St. Nick
Dogfish Head Chicory Stout
Golden Valley Tannen Bomb
Laughing Dog Chocolate Huckleberry Stout
McMenamins Elven Conspiracy (I never thought I’d love a McMenamins beer but this was really good stuff)
Bayern Face Plant

I had a few other tastes as well but those were the ones that stuck out.
Two disappointing beers:
Stone Bourbon-Barrel Aged Arrogant Bastard. Not bad, but Stone’s capable of so much better.
Widmer Cherry Aged Doppelbock. Tasted like a melted popsicle, and not in a good way.

Then after the festival, we went to the 5th Quadrant and had Lompoc’s seasonal Vanilla Stout, which is unbelievably good. Good beer makes me happy.

by pdb on Dec 7, 2009 2:39 PM PST reply actions  

Kona had a Kona Coffee Stout at the ale fest

but it was very limited and we didn’t even come close to getting there early enough to get some.

by pdb on Dec 7, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I experimented with some Boulevard Brewing Company beers this weekend

was impressed, particularly by the Bully! Porter

I’ve also lately really been enjoying some Bristol Brewing Co. beers, Laughing Lab being my favorite

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by Corco on Dec 7, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I've only ever had the Bully! but I liked it pretty well

I need to try some of their other ones. Never had any Bristol beers, actually, are they worth checking out?

by pdb on Dec 7, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Had a surprisingly good Ethiopian stout. Can't remember its name, though.

Also a three-year-old bottle of Avery’s The Reverend that my reverend father had saved, and Cantillon’s Lou Pepe ‘04, which is possibly the prettiest beer I’ve ever sampled.

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Dec 8, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I hope so.

The more QB prospects declare the better for the Seahawks.

by BrianL on Dec 7, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

No.

And lets just say that comes from someone close to him.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

That's sort of amazing given that you can't find many mock drafts with him below the #10 pick

and many have him going in the top 3 (or #1 overall). If that’s accurate, that’s one hell of a risk he’s taking.

Good on him though; he could improve with another year under Sarkisian’s offense. But turning down guaranteed money in a sport like football seems a bit crazy to me.

by marc w on Dec 7, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm torn

I don’t think he’s ready but not having him at UW would be sort of nice.

[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]

by bluemax on Dec 7, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

(sigh)

So. Covering even minor league baseball has its perils. Inevitably you get fanboys of various players gunning for you. Devin had Jack Arroyo’s biggest fan gunning for him. Jack Arroyo hasn’t played affiliated ball since 2006. No one but the Mariners wanted him in the first place.

I have Joey Newby’s biggest fan gunning for me. Someone asked me about Newby a week ago, and my reply was “Shiny ERA, but he ran a 40/36 K/BB in 53.0 innings.”

Today, I get two comments from someone in my spam filter going by the name “Jay might be a moron”….

Hey Jay,
Do you know anything about Newby? Anything at all? Do you think that his ERA was an accident? Do you think he was just SQUEEKING BY, or was he the most solid relief pitcher at the higher levels the last half of the season? Yes, he walked a few guys, but doesn’t that mean you would have to work harder to keep that ERA lower? He was out of basball for 2 complete season after being let go by the A’s the day after injuring his arm and requiring Tommy John surgery. Spent those 2 years doing all his own rehab, working odd jobs to stay afloat and then finally gets a shot with the mariners and because he comes into spring training in TOP PHYSICAL CONDITION, he is suspected of using steroids and forced to sit out of spring training until the test results were returned. Only was allowed on the field with 8 days left in camp! So after 2 years of busting his ass, he gets to Arizona a month before minor league camp, wants to start throwing and be ready to go and instead is told by the mariners, "You look like you are on something, you’re the only 1 out of the 200 guys here that has to do this, so go back and sit in your hotel room for 3-4 weeks till we get the results back, no you can’t use our weight room, no you cannot throw here, just sit and wait"! So yes, his first 20 innings were a little shaky, but if you can’t look at the last half of his season and say, "WOW," he pulled it together and will only get better! You’re a fool!

but wait, it gets better!

And lastly………. If Newby were to walk a guy, strike one out, walk 1, strike one out, walk one, strike one out……….what’s that ratio and era come out to be? Isn’t it a 0.00 with a 1:1 K/BB ratio? Good math! Yes, he’s a single away from giving up 2 runs! But did he? NOPE!

And before I forget………how did the Mariners 1st Rounders do at the exact same level? I believe fields had a 6.5+ ERA and Aumont was unable to pitch the last month of the season because he broke his hand after one of his SOLID OUTTINGS! But again, you know best!

Not that I mentioned Aumont or Fields in comparison, but let’s throw up Newby’s cumulative numbers are a reference point:

April: 6.2 IP, 7 H, 3/3 K/BB (4.05/4.05 per nine)
May: 10.2 IP, 11 H, 7/8 K/BB (5.91/6.75 per nine)
June: 15.0 IP, 6 H (.130 BABIP), 15/12 (9.00/7.20 per nine)
July: 8.2 IP, 10 H, 8/6 K/B (8.31/6.23 per nine)
August: 10.0 IP, 10 H, 5/6 K/BB (4.50/5.40 per nine)

GOD! How could I not see Newby’s tremendous progress over the course of the season? Oh wait.
</ end rant>

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 7, 2009 7:40 PM PST reply actions  

I actually did get into it once with someone I believed to be the player's girlfriend.

She made a similar argument with off-field details justifying lackluster performances, and respecting the magnitude of said details, I agreed to lay off.

That player later had an arm injury, which has led me to qualify that he still kind of sucks.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 7, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

You're right!

The organization should endeavor to retain such a hard worker!

Honestly, for me it’s between that, and the whole bit about if he walked three and struck out three in the same inning, he would have a 1:1 K/BB, but would maintain a 0.00 ERA because he didn’t give up that theoretical two-run single.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 7, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, I made the comments public.

He came back later armed with the conspiracy theory that I work for the Mariners and they don’t want the truth to get out, so I quoted the stats I listed above.

One of us is going to learn an important lesson.

Odds are, it’s going to be me. About not trying to engage these people.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 12, 2009 1:09 AM PST up reply actions  

heh.
You’re insinuating that you really enjoy drugs! You’re an Xbox Live outlaw and you ain’t afraid of the 5-0 or your lame dad busting in and finding that seven-month old roach clip you hid in that box of Pocky!

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 8, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

The ムラマサ☆ live DVD is really good so far, I'm sad I didn't get a chance to see them live before they broke up.

Lots of energy and enthusiasm. I’ve seen tons of live shows and they would probably rank up there in terms of fun level.

by lailaihei on Dec 8, 2009 1:24 AM PST reply actions  

Ye gads again?

I thought we just had a woot off.

by BrianL on Dec 8, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Couple weeks ago, yeah.

It seems like they’re doing them with increasing frequency lately.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Dec 8, 2009 8:13 AM PST up reply actions  

They're just trying to clean out their inventory before Christmas.

I don’t know their fiscal calendar, but I’ll bet they are coming up on an accounting cycle as well. Companies hate having inventory when they are running the official numbers.

by Jed MC on Dec 8, 2009 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I get woot's RSS feed in my Google Reader.

So far they’ve featured:


  • GPS (current item)
  • Lamp security timer
  • Headphones
  • Meat slicer
  • Steam iron
  • Digital photo frame
  • Laptop computer
  • Roomba
  • Weather station
  • A couple of different LCD TVs
  • Rolling duffle bag
  • Touchscreen universal remote
  • Rechargeable LED flashlight
  • Blood pressure monitor
  • Wireless handsets
  • A couple of cheap camcorders
  • Rechargeable blower system
  • Desktop PC
  • Wireless-N gaming adaptor
  • High School Musical media player
  • Upconverting DVD player
  • Carwash system
  • DVD/VCR combo
  • 32GB iPod Touch
  • Full-size Guitar Hero/Rock Band guitar controller
  • Kai Wasabi knife
  • iPod speakers/dock
  • Sansa MP3 player
  • Kitchen scale
  • Laser garage parking system
  • I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Dec 8, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Is there a Woot feed that's just the products for sale?

I tried to subscribe to their RSS once and it was the blog and the products. I quickly found I didn’t care about the blog and just wanted to find out the daily product.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2009 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

No, it's all one in the same.

I just quickly zip past the blog posts to get to the products. It’s not so bad, really.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Dec 8, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

It's not Woot

but Amazon’s offering a 6 foot HDMI cable for 20¢. That is not a typo. TWENTY CENTS. Plus shipping, of course, but still.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Christmas for the whingers comes early!

National team goalkeepers can now commence bitching about the extra-ridiculous-swervy qualities of the official World Cup ball, like they do before every tournament.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2009 9:05 AM PST reply actions  

it's purty

I’m just sad that Jens Lehmann isn’t in Germany’s team any more because listening to him complain before 2006 was comical.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Keepers always whinge about that and about how it gives all the advantage to the striker

but goalkeepers are stupid because the last four World Cups don’t even crack the top 10 in goals-per-game average, and the tournament with the highest goal-per-game average was in 1954 when, if you believe the purists, the game was played with a dessicated sheep’s bladder by men with cardboard boxes on their feet who smoked at halftime.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Anybody know an easy way to get IE to run on a Mac?

I don’t have Windows, and am not particularly interested in dual-booting OS X and Windows; my wife needs to run IE so she can work from home but I have no other need for Windows in my life. I’ve tried Crossover, but it doesn’t seem to work without a bunch of java plugins – which I will get if necessary but I’d rather not if at all possible. Anybody have any luck with this or any other app that can get IE running on a Mac?

by pdb on Dec 8, 2009 10:33 AM PST reply actions  

Favorite Simpsons character.

GO GO GO!

Mine’s Lisa.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Dec 8, 2009 10:55 AM PST reply actions  

I miss Troy McClure.

You may remember him from such films as Hydro, the Man With the Hydraulic Arms and The Contrabulous Fabtraption of Professor Horatio Hufnagel.

by msb on Dec 8, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

The Meat Council Presents: `Meat and You: Partners in Freedom'

Hi, I’m Troy McClure. You may remember me from such educational films as “Two Minus Three Equals Negative Fun” and “Firecrackers: The Silent Killer”.

by Jed MC on Dec 8, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't decide - Aside from the family, I'd say Groundskeeper Willie, Chief Wiggum, Apu, Flanders, and, for some reason, Frink.

Maybe Frink because I used a pictures of him with the bubble machine and with the octopus clinging to his face as the background for a presentation on the career prospects for a chemist which I made in middle school and it was a huge hit.

by Decatur on Dec 8, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

He's pricesless in The Devil and Homer Simpson,

which, incidentally, I enjoyed so much that I went and read “The Devil of Daniel Webster” and it became one of my favorite short stories.

by Decatur on Dec 8, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll second Hutz and Troy McClure

I miss Phil Hartman.

“belt of Scotch Mrs. Simpson?”

by waldo rojas on Dec 8, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Space Coyote.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 8, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Ralph Wiggum

Mostly because my dad was a teacher and he said Ralph reminded him of his students.

by Jed MC on Dec 8, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Dear Ms. Hoover,

You have Lyme disease. We miss you. Kevin’s biting me. Come back soon. Here’s a drawing of a spirochete. Love, Ralph.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Dec 8, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Mrs. Krabappel.

in the middle of "Fuzzy Bunny’s Guide To You-Know-What", you hear her mutter “She’s faking it.”

by msb on Dec 8, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

He's gone back and forth a lot.

He was one of the early advocates of him, then went back to not including him on the Frank Thomas argument. I didn’t realize he was even on board again.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 8, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe it's just a phrasing issue, but final two sentences:
Yesterday, I was comfortable arguing that Edgar belongs. Today I’m back on the fence, waiting for someone to give me a good push in either direction.

Which is strange, because the way the argument is structured, it feels like he wouldn’t have thought Edgar belonged yesterday.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 8, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Submitted without comment:

Soup Kitchen in my Pants (NSFW unless you have headphones)

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Dec 8, 2009 12:58 PM PST reply actions  

YES PLEASE

Turns out this whole sharing-a-cubicle-with-two-coworkers thing is kinda annoying.

by pdb on Dec 8, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I do!

I’m posting massive amounts of data to a server and I can’t leave until it’s done. It started 3 hours ago.

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org

by Corco on Dec 8, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Fuck yes, I need a drink.

I’m not going to have time for it until Friday though.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 8, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I had a witty reply to this.

But, alas, I don’t want to be banned.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Dec 9, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I think I get the message regardless ;)

Honestly though, my 2 1/2 year old neice saw this photo and immediately started chanting “Griffdog!” and singing “Take Me Out To The Ballgame”. I think I need to print out a copy of it for her bedroom. It can go under her poster of the Moose.

by royalcurve on Dec 10, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Every time I think the trainwreck that is Ryan Leaf is finished, he writes another paragraph.

That guy is either going to do porn, a reality t.v. show nobody watches, or eventually wind up living under an overpass. Or all of the above.

by Kermit. on Dec 9, 2009 8:09 AM PST reply actions  

This is coming along quite nicely.

Do you think we could get Tara Reid to direct?

by abender20 on Dec 9, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

That's a wrap.

Airing on MTV, Mondays at 8:30/7:30 Central.

by abender20 on Dec 9, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

This is kinda interesting

Posnanski puts up a list of the first players to reach million-dollar salary milestones; first to one million, first to two, etc.

Albert Belle. Huh.

by pdb on Dec 9, 2009 9:40 AM PST reply actions  

That's always how I felt about him

He’s one of the rare athletes that I really wanted to know a lot about his non-playing self, because he’s pretty much a walking case study.

by pdb on Dec 9, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

That makes him a better man than I

I quit at Star or something

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by bluemax on Dec 9, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Never made it past Cub Scout.

In hindsight, I’m kind of proud of that.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Dec 9, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I got to Wolf.

Then the den mother was a real bitch and I quit.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 9, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I was hoping that Arsenal would have a fan contest

in which fans could express, in 50 words or less, why they should be allowed to start a Champions League group stage game, and the top 11 would actually get to play at least 45 minutes. That, I would watch. This, not so much.

by pdb on Dec 9, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

In an unrelated yet still awesome note

The apartment occupying the part of the West Upper at Highbury where I saw my first three Arsenal games is apparently available. If anybody wants to buy me a Christmas present it’s Flat 40 plot 261.

When I win the lottery I’m buying at least one apartment in this complex.

by pdb on Dec 9, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

The stadium no longer exists

the park in the middle is where the pitch was, and the East and West towers are the old grandstands. The East Stand was a listed building (historic site) so it couldn’t be torn down; when Arsenal built their new stadium they decided to turn the existing stadium into apartments. They own the site outright so these apartments are going to be a main source of funds for the club for the foreseeable future.

The reason there’s a park where the pitch was and not more apartments is that dozens if not hundreds of people have their ashes scattered over what used to be the pitch, so the club decided to make the pitch a park out of respect.

by pdb on Dec 9, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not really invested in him one way or the other, but I doubt he gets fired this season.

The Champions League flop is surely embarrassing, but they’re three points out of fourth place with a lot of season left, and everyone seems to be getting healthy again now that they’ve all had their fill of horse placenta liquid.

by Teej on Dec 9, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Jeez, now Elliot Bay Bookstore is moving? The hits just keep on coming.
Elliott Bay Book Company, the Pioneer Square icon, will be moving to Capitol Hill this spring, according to store owner Peter Aaron. The bookstore, which has been in trouble and losing money the last two years, revealed earlier this fall that it might have to close unless it could move to a better location with better terms. Their lease on the current store is up early in 2010.

There has been widespread concern about the future of Elliott Bay, battered by the economy, changes in book retailing, the rise of Amazon, and a climate in Pioneer Square that has made business more difficult for the store. In addition, the store was hurt by last year’s snowstorm.

The store’s new location will be on 10th Avenue between Pike and Pine on Captiol Hill in a 1918 vintage building. The new space is a bit larger than the current store and will incorporate a cafe and space for author appearances, says the company in a statement.
,,,
[New] Aaron did confirm that the bookstore has received new financing, but would not give further details.

by Decatur on Dec 9, 2009 4:47 PM PST reply actions  

I swear I heard about this weeks ago.

And I don’t even live in Seattle anymore.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 9, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

The one that got me all kinds of excited was Powell's. They had a book buy in the U-District a few years ago.

What was amusing is it was directly across the street from University Bookstore, which caused a bit of a stir. I hear U. Bookstore sells used books now, which is good and may have been forced by the situation. Still, having a Powell’s up here would have been fantastic.

by Kermit. on Dec 9, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

NOOOOOO

The only Quiznos in Manchester has closed down! The sooner I win the lottery and get my apartment in NYC, the better.

by EnglishMariner on Dec 10, 2009 10:39 AM PST reply actions  

Quiznos? Really?

That shit is horrid. I would rather eat at Subway,and I hate Subway.

by pdb on Dec 10, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Big Town Hero.

Yum. Simple, but tasty and fresh.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Dec 10, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I loves me some Big Town

probably going there for lunch today in fact.

by pdb on Dec 10, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Whenever I am in the States I love to go to Quiznos.

Compared to anything over here it is on another level. I realise it is probably shite by ‘local’ standards, but for me it was awesome.

by EnglishMariner on Dec 10, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Quiznos was awesome when it first opened up

they had some tasty fries.

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by bluemax on Dec 10, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Most restaurant chains use this business model.

Use high quality food for the first year or two and then slowly replace it with dog food while moving the prices upward.

by Sec 108 on Dec 10, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Not surprising

I also remember the size of Quizno’s largest sub being bigger. They used to have to cut it into thirds!

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by bluemax on Dec 10, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Winning the lotto would actually make NYC liveable.

For like, a few years at least.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 10, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you live there?

Tell me your thoughts. I’ve only been twice, but it’s the most inspiring place I have ever been to.

by EnglishMariner on Dec 10, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I live there, yes.

I would not judge New York on the basis of visiting it. It’s a great place for tourists if you manage to avoid the locals (who despise tourists), but actually living in New York provides many complications, such as vermin of every known kind, dysfunctional transportation on weekends, the exorbitant cost of everything (which necessitates near constant working, not sightseeing), stress radiating from everyone, and the fact that most residents are oblivious to anything existing outside of a two block radius of their apartment or place of work.

There are places to go, and people to be ground, and much beauty to be discovered, but it can be overwhelming at first. I see the good in it now, after finding people to hunt it down with, but generally, being calm and reserved, it doesn’t suit my disposition.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 10, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s a great place for tourists if you manage to avoid the locals (who despise tourists)

So it’s like Hawaii…

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Dec 10, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, but angrier.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 10, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Kauai can be angry.

Or at least sullen and quietly full of contempt…

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Dec 11, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions  

In my many visits to NYC I did not find that the locals despised tourists

as long as you as a tourist knew what you wanted to ask/look for, and knew to stay out of the way, locals were great. it’s the clueless tourists that stand in the middle of the sidewalk at 9AM looking at a map while eighty billion people are trying to get to work that pose the problem.

by pdb on Dec 10, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes that's the main part of it.

But even non-tourists seems to get absent minded on busy sidewalks and stand around idly, causing a huge mess.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 10, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I know he's not from London, but the "exorbitant cost of everything" is still a good description of England.

Even New York may seem reasonable in comparison. Except for beer. FUCK the price of beer in NY.

by marc w on Dec 11, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

You can still get $2 Pabst?

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 11, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

That was kind of the point.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 11, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I must've missed that. Would've taken it.

Best deal I found was riding the Staten Island ferry and buying beer on the boat.

I just could not fathom paying $7 for a pint of something half-decent. Yeesh. I know, I know, that’s manhattan, and you’re paying for atmosphere or whatever, but damn.

In the UK, every single thing is priced at ludicrous levels EXCEPT beer, where a cheap lager is maybe $4 or $4.50. Which is bad, but not half as bad as every other product and/or service.

by marc w on Dec 11, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes.

It varies from bar to bar, but there are plenty places around where I am (which is student-y, not tourist-y) where you can get a pint of Harpoon IPA, which is drinkable at the very least, for about four bucks.

The trouble is that a lot of places either don’t have any selection (Guinness, and then variations on swill) or charge entirely too much because they get the foot traffic.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 11, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I never went to terribly touristy areas (no Times Square)

though perhaps the east village counts…. and it’s the east village where I felt you couldn’t find much under $6, though some of them actually had very good selections.
Even SoHo, however, or the LES didn’t have too many bargains. Yeah, maybe $5 for something pretty standard, but for $5 here, you can get pretty much any beer you want.

by marc w on Dec 11, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Los Angeles Kings only 3 points back of SJ

I’m feeling playoffs!

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by bluemax on Dec 10, 2009 11:38 AM PST reply actions  

I can't believe I'm rooting for a LA team.

But they’re just so quick and front-loaded it’s insane. I watched 10 games in my stint in LV, and they’re the type of team that should be able to win and bring in fans.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 11, 2009 5:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I really need to make time to get to a game

I think the thing that is refreshing about the Kings is that they’re so anti LA in terms of roster. Almost all of their talent is talent they developed internally.

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by bluemax on Dec 11, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Landon Donovan to Everton

Link

Short term loan similar to Beckham’s last year.

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by bluemax on Dec 10, 2009 12:20 PM PST reply actions  

Ah David Moyes....

he’s the one who first brought Brian McBride to England at PNE, then took him to Everton. Can’t remember if he signed Eddie Lewis at Preston or if that happened after Moyes’ move to Everton.

Anyway, it can’t hurt, and I’d still like to see what Donovan could do in Europe when he isn’t sulking in Germany.

by marc w on Dec 10, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe I'm just far too skeptical

but if he couldn’t regularly start for Bayern Munich, much less score a goal in a match that counted, what are the odds he’ll go to Everton and make any sort of difference?

by pdb on Dec 10, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

You think it's easier to start for Bayern Munich than it is for a struggling EPL team?

If he’d gone to Wolfsburg or Armenia Bielefeld or Hertha and not started, yeah, maybe, but I don’t count “couldn’t start for Bayern” as a deathblow to his chances to have some impact w/Everton.

I should clarify: I’m skeptical too, but this seems like a real low risk sort of a deal. It’s a short-term loan, and Everton need SOMEthing. I understand it from Moyes’ perspective. But if Landycakes sulks, or if he plays terribly, I won’t be all that surprised. He seems to love the comfort of playing in California. Of course, I used to think McBride was the biggest overhyped bust of a US soccer player ever, and he had a great late-career surge that started when he hooked up with Moyes.

by marc w on Dec 10, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the level of play in England is better than it is in Germany

so that’s where my skepticism comes from. But yeah, I don’t think there’s a big risk in taking him on either.

by pdb on Dec 10, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'd concur that the level of play is better in England, but Bayern /= average level of play in Germany

And I think you could claim that, for this year at least, Everton’s a step below average for England.

by marc w on Dec 10, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

This is where I'd love to see some normalized stats across nations

a quick look at both tables shows me that Bayern are in 4th with 27 points from 15 games – the 4th place team in the Premiership, whose name I cannot recall, are also on 27 points. There are more goals in the Premiership – third-placed Arsenal have 38, Chelsea have 37, and that fourth-place team has 35, while Leverkusen, 1st in the Bundesliga, has 30 (Werder Bremen have 31), and Bayern have 24.

Meanwhile, Everton are in 15th, on 16 points having scored 19, and the 15th placed team in the Bundesliga, Bochum, are on 13 points with 14 goals scored. Everton are three points clear of the drop zone, while Bochum are one thin point clear (assuming only two German teams go down since it’s an 18 team league).

What does this mean overall? Who knows – the Premiership does appear to be the better league but the gulf isn’t maybe as big as it has been in the past. They definitely score more in England, but I don’t watch enough German football (read: any German football) to know if the defenses are that much better in Germany.

by pdb on Dec 10, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, though pure goal differential doesn't tell you as much about overall quality

It’s a league that clearly gets less international talent and generally acts as a supplier of talent to England/Spain rather than poaching talent from England/Spain… that’s all I need to know.

I think it’d be cool to see why Germany, or the Dutch League, or whatever, score more or less than some international average. Is it because there are fewer shots, is it because there are fewer ‘bad’ turnovers? Are there more or fewer one-man plays where a guy either makes a long run or dribbles past a few people, gets some space and shoots? More combination play with lots of passes?

by marc w on Dec 10, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I just used up all of my good karma

I left for Oregon a couple of days ago and left my bag containing my clothes and laptop on the top of my car. I promptly drove away, not realizing I had left it. A lady called me a couple hours later to ask me if I had forgotten anything. She returned my bag to my house and would not accept payment.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy to have my laptop back, but I wish I could’ve spent my karma on something cool rather than something preventative.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 10, 2009 1:36 PM PST reply actions  

Why not just put up some signs around the rare trees this time of year?

People would probably be less inclined to use something they knew was an endangered species as a Christmas tree.

by OlSalty on Dec 10, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Well there are assholes out there who would still do it

It’s a pretty big dick move to steal a tree from an arboretum, but it takes a much bigger dick to steal a tree they know is an endangered species from an arboretum. I doubt whoever took it had any idea what they were destroying. Maybe they wouldn’t care one way or the other but it would probably give at least some of the douches who do this kind of stuff pause.

by OlSalty on Dec 10, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

There's also the kind of douche

who would be more likely to steal the tree if he/she knew it was rare.

by redwolf75 on Dec 10, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

It's possibly but it's not like there's a huge market out there for endangered tree species

And if they were in the business of illicit species trade they could very likely find out about these kind of things through news publications anyways.

I dunno, it seems like the chance of some idiot deciding “I want a christmas tree but I don’t want to pay for it, durr guess I’ll take one from the arboretum!” Is better than someone deciding they want to kill an endangered species or try to sell something that probably doesn’t have a huge amount of value. Because most of all, the legal punishments for doing those respective things are way, way different.

by OlSalty on Dec 11, 2009 12:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Bay Area LL'ers

I’m looking to come down to watch Opening Day at Oakland and perhaps also San Francisco. Does anyone know when the A’s and Giants usually release single-game ticket sales? I figure the calendar for that isn’t out yet.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 10, 2009 2:27 PM PST reply actions  

Anyone have any cool parties to go to this month?

Holiday-oriented, I mean?

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Dec 10, 2009 5:56 PM PST reply actions  

I thought you had some of those?

I don’t want to picture you all alone with only hummingbirds to keep you company over the holidays…

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Dec 11, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Awwwww!

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Dec 13, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we're throwing one on Boxing Day but I'm not 100% sure

but if we don’t throw one we’ll be at a bowling alley so there’s that.

by pdb on Dec 10, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm probably going to be working on New Years Eve instead of partying.

Although at work I’ll be kinda sorta hosting a party, sorta.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Bartender?

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Dec 13, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Being on the Mariners website (which I never go to) reminded me.

Was there a Griffey commercial last year? I can’t remember last year’s commercials to save my life. I guess I will go look it up and answer my own question.

by royalcurve on Dec 10, 2009 8:23 PM PST reply actions  

They only made five ads or something last year

where typically they make eight. Also, Griffey was too late a sign for them to use it, so they just went back and re-aired the “Griffey Cloning” ad.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 2:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Also true

though they could have re-aired a number of great ads.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Yesterday's was damn good, too.

Slightly NSFW (Rated R: Partial cartoon nudity, hilarious sexual content)

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Dec 11, 2009 7:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I used to read it more

but then I noticed that he got into a bit of a rut and seems to use a lot of the same basic ideas and themes over and over.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 11, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Steve Kelley.

I don’t read Steve Kelley, because, well, he is Steve Kelley. But he had the only Mariners-related piece in today’s Times, so I thought, well, why not see ….

sigh. the first thing I read is: “Editor’s note: The following conversation is purely fictitious; a dream perhaps, from a troubled mind.”

yup. He has brought back Ducky Ponds.

Never mind.

by msb on Dec 11, 2009 10:22 AM PST reply actions  

ESPN has started leaning heavily on this trope as well and it's incredibly annoying.

I don’t want to read imaginary conversations that authors make up.I REALLY don’t want to read imaginary conversations that Steve Kelley makes up.

by pdb on Dec 11, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I have liked but one instance of it.

That being this one.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 11, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

The only imaginary conversations I want to read

are the ones written by Jeff.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Allright bowling people, I have questions

We started in our bowling league last night. It is now apparent to me after only one night that I suck at bowling. But that’s not the issue, I’ll get better as the league goes on. My question is, what is a good brand of bowling shoes? I don’t want to have to wear rental shoes every week for the next 20-odd weeks, so I need my own shoes. I don’t want to spend a ton of money ($60 at the absolute outside), and I see a whole bunch of options out there, but I don’t know a damn thing about bowling shoes. Any suggestions?

One of these days I’ll get my own ball but I can’t justify that just yet because of the aforementioned suckitude.

by pdb on Dec 11, 2009 2:05 PM PST reply actions  

Dexter is kindof industry standard.

If you want something on the cheap, KMart will sell you some AMF-branded shoes that will probably last you the season for $20-$30, but one of my friends got shoes like that and the soles just separated from the rest of the shoe.

My mom (who has bowled for 40 years or so) swears by Linds, but they’re expensive.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

is there anything specific I should look for?

Dexter seems to be the way to go, but what does one look for in a good bowling shoe?

by pdb on Dec 11, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think there's really too much to worry about...

You probably don’t need anything fancy with interchangeable soles or heels or any of that crap… Even I don’t really want that. I would just say that your #1 thing to worry about is if it feels comfortable.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Good to know

that’s what I was thinking, but I wasn’t sure if there was something I was missing.

by pdb on Dec 11, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Just make sure that you get the slide sole on the correct foot.

If you throw the ball right handed, it should be on your left foot. If you’re throwing the ball right handed and sliding on your right foot, you’re doing it wrong.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I throw right, slide left

but what I really need is a three-foot-long inanimate carbon rod fused to my right arm, to keep it from going straight across my body on my follow through. It’s been many years since I’ve bowled but that habit has somehow stuck with me.

by pdb on Dec 11, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, while practicing

Make sure that your sliding foot reaches its stopping point at the same that your ball reaches that spot (imaginary line perpendicular to your toes). This will ensure that you are using a fluid motion and should help keep your arm straight.

As R’s and L’s said, most of it is just training your arm to move the way you want it to.

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Dec 11, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I love having the "dots" on my shoes

It greatly helped my game being able to have more friction on the outside of my foot, which helps pull it straight (I used to, and still struggle a bit with, pointing my toes inside and throwing my balance off).

pdb, don’t go with anything fancy. A $30 pair of Dexter shoes can conceivably last you a life time

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I have had a pair of Linds EXXXtras that have lasted me nearly 10 years and a ton of bowling

They are amazing, but they were certainly expensive (near-$200).

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

No decision yet

The rest of our team won’t be joining until next Thursday so we put off making the call until they show up. I’m really wanting to go with the Bowling Stones, though. We’ll see.

by pdb on Dec 11, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, personally,

I would say that having your own ball drilled to fit your hand is so much more important than a pair of shoes. Unless you are somehow able to find a house ball that is a perfect fit and are always able to use that same ball, you will struggle to find any consistency in your game. A plastic ball (all you should need, for now) can be had for about $50, plus another $35 or so to have it drilled by a professional to fit your hand.

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

$50 seems a little low

but Chris is right here, a plastic ball would be a good idea. Something like a Columbia White Dot or an Ebonite Maxim or a Brunswick TZone.will serve your purposes well.

Most pro shops will drill a ball for free so long as you buy it from there, but there are plenty of websites like bowlersparadise.com that you can use… but if you’re going to buy shoes anyway, you probably ought to go into a pro shop to try things on.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 12, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I found a few of them for as low as $50 online

And if he goes to a pro shop they may even have some cheap used bowling balls in there as well

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah, yeah, then you'd have to pay for the drilling. I'm with you now.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 12, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

We just got the Mariners' annual holiday greeting card.

The photo on it is from Ichiro’s walkoff vs. Rivera, just a moment before the suck-it chop. The fact that the suck-it chop is represented on a holiday card made me laugh my ass off.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 2:22 PM PST reply actions  

Philosophical Question

Would you rather the Mariners follow the success of the Florida Marlins (i.e. Sudden one-year World Series success, decade of failure, then another year or two of World Series success) or the success of the Oakland A’s (i.e. Playoff appearances for five or six years but never reach the World Series)?

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 2:36 PM PST reply actions  

Marlins

I’ve gotten substained success from other teams. I want the god damn money shot.

by Robert on Dec 12, 2009 1:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Here's a story that is both sad and factually incorrect.

Robert might still laugh, though. Steelers fan allegedly poisoned and left blind. Grain alcohol is just really high proof ethanol which is I suppose potentially dangerous but in no way poisonous. He’s confusing it with wood alcohol (methanol) which does get reduced to a toxic substance. Still, that’s brutal.

by abender20 on Dec 11, 2009 3:09 PM PST reply actions  

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