OT: Dec 6.
Thanksgiving is so November.
Indianapolis is the 13th largest city in the United States and became the capital of Indiana in 1820.
The most common nickname for Indianapolis is ‘Indy’; other nicknames include ‘Circle City’ and ‘Naptown’.
Indianapolis was designated as the “Crossroads of America” in 1847 because a railroad was
built and was the first to have all its lines meet in one union station in the city.
The Indianapolis Zoo houses over 4,000 animals and is home to the state’s largest aquarium.
It also has the country’s first totally submerged, underwater dolphin viewing dome.
The Indianapolis 500 is the largest single day sporting event in the world.
The NCAA Hall of Champions (Hall of Fame for college athletics) is located in Indianapolis
Elvis Presley’s last concert was in Indianapolis at Market Square Arena in 1977.
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That's pretty much what happens
When you visit Indiana.
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
Oh dear.
No, it’s boring, so you want to take a nap….is this thing on?
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
Indeed.
Just like the tundra!
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
Indy is also the home of my favorite NBA team...and jeez...the team is so bad.
It doesn’t help that the two times the Pacers the one year that they had clearly the best team and should’ve won the title The Artest Fight happened.
I remember having to edit footage of the Artest fight in high school
We had a daily news program for the school and the Artest fight made it interesting for a day or two as I worked with it to incorporate the film into as many things as I could….such as “for lunch today we’ll be offering pizza, burgers and Ron Artest’s fist” (show footage of him punching some random fan)
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Indiana is a boring state.
It cost me seventeen dollars to drive through it, I felt cheated out of my money because on top of it almost boring me to death, the roads were in poor condition too!
The Indiana Toll Road takes you through the worst part of Indiana
Gary and South Bend are not representative of the Indiana experience, especially from the interstate
Get off freeway in southern Indiana (southern being Indianapolis and southward), and your opinion of it will go up considerably. I’m mainly familiar with rural southern Indiana, but I’ve been told Indianapolis is a very nice town
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I've been
Through Southern Indiana as well, and didn’t really care for it. I suppose I haven’t given it a fair shake having never been through Indianapolis, but I haven’t cared for the state at all.
by ungoreatstefan on Dec 7, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
I've been in LV for 20 days, and I'm still alive.
I’m even ambivalent about it. On the downside, I’ve been in LV for 20 days, and THERE ARE NO FUCKING FRIED CHICKEN PLACES WITHIN 20 FUCKING DRIVING MINUTES OF MY HOTEL.
On the plus side, I just found (and bought) these and am confusedly overjoyed, and had to share:


On another downside, I have no freezer for ice cream…
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I wish they would put a raising canes up in seattle
I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ
Raising Canes does fried chicken? I thought it was a CluckU type (wings and fingers)
And I mean more of a boutique place like they have for almost every other ethnicity/region. Shouldn’t there be a “southern” place in one of these casinos?
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
The closest I have been to Indiana is Sandusky, Ohio,
Which is home to Cedar Point, only the most awesome amusement park that exists, and is home to such coasters as the Millennium Force and Top Thrill Dragster.
(Get your mind out of the gutter when looking at this one)
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Or how about a better picture of them both

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This reminds me of one of my favorite wikipedia articles!
Highlights include the looping waterslide
And this gem:
“The park also sold beer in many kiosks on the grounds, with similarly lax enforcement of the drinking age as with other restrictions in the park. Doctors treating the injured often reported that many of them had alcohol on their breath.”
by lailaihei on Dec 6, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I love it:
“The ‘Space Shot’ attraction was fairly safe.”
There were far too many mentions of snakes in this article for my tastes
I think I would have been more worried about the snakes than the fatalities
I have a hard time believing this place is real.
What a shitty safety record.
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by Fin on Dec 7, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
Dude that tank game sounds like the funnest thing ever
Wish something like that was around here
I'll admire them
as I stand at their exits, holding everyone’s coats.
by msb on Dec 7, 2009 6:40 AM PST up reply actions
SInce when is 45th & Stone Way "in the University District"?
and shouldn’t a local traffic reporter know better?
Isn't that like...right next to Green Lake?
I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ
Yeah, but U-District is wayyyyy wrong for that intersection
I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ
One time when I was looking for an apartment
I went to one on about 98th & Greenwood that the landlord kept calling “North Green Lake”. Apparently he thought it’d make the neighborhood more appealing. I don’t know what the reporter’s excuse is though.
by pdb on Dec 7, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
Kinda the same situation for the house Robert and I have
We tell everybody it’s in Leschi, but we damn well know it’s in the hood
I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ
Hahahahaha
Sunday night footabll last night
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Luckily that time he was able to avoid the double team.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
Is it a coincidence that the week Jeff is "on vacation"
it’s supposed to rain here the entire time?
I get to goto Detroit this weekend!
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
I'll take 14 degrees and clear over raining any day of the week
although I’m still trying to thaw out from my ride in to work this morning. It’s bad enough that there’s a cold wind, but did that same cold wind have to be in my damn face all the way in to work?
by pdb on Dec 7, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
I hate them so much.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
I just hate the allusion of warmth
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
I know this.
But looking outside – It just looks so pleasant
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
*north of about the 40th parallel in the US
and as long as we’re being pedantic I should have said about the 37th.
I knew that was wrong.
Dammit.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
It was alluding to the idea of warmth.
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by JY on Dec 7, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
If I get stuck over there because of weather.
Someone is going to get stabbed.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
And it'll probably be me
Because I’m in fucking Detroit!
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe you'll get shot instead of stabbed!
by seattlebruin on Dec 7, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Or all three.
Early Christmas gift!
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
I would prefer to be shot first
I have a thing about getting stabbed.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
I think it has to do with the fact
that I was in Washington this past weekend and I’m deciding upon where I want to live.
[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]
Hmm...
Winter meetings and I have too much to work on to sit around doing obsessive link refreshing every few minutes. I scarcely seem to mind though. Perhaps is that I don’t have as much of a feeling of impending disaster as I once did.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
I actually signed up for twitter because of this.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
You don't have to sign up.
You could just follow the set of links Dave provided.
Although, if I were on Twitter, and as of yet I have no intention to be, I would probably read what you tweeted about.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 7, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Well I needed to signup to use the iphone app for it.
And just maybe I should start tweeting.
You could follow me on my adventure to Detroit!
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Its fun reading the foxsports comments under the Winter Meetings article.
“Seattle Branyan, in preliminary stage of negotiations, STOP THINK, last year 251 BA, 431 AB, 149 SO (35%), lifetime 2431 AB, 946 SO, (42%). “But he hit 31 HR’s” so what !!!!!! He also had ONLY 76 RBI’s hitting in the 4 hole. Let some other team have him,the GM brought him along with him from Mil. let him go back. The Seattle Mariners aren’t like that, they will keep the SO king and lose again next year. What a shame !!!!!"
I am forever grateful that I found USSM and LL or I would probably still be toiling around on these threads.
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There are studies to be done of this thing.
The evolution of the Mariners online community is pretty fascinating to me. I think Dave and Derek got their starts on usenet, but then there were people like me who started out on the Mariners official site and later ESPN, where Jeff started out too.
I remember in 2002 or so, Baseball116 started out as an aggregator of Mariners news feeds with short commentary, then USSM started up in 2003 I think, and Leone for Third, my site, and now defunct entries like Mariners Wheelhouse and Mariner Musings soon followed, along with independent message boards. There was a time when it seemed like there would be a new blog every few weeks trying to carve out a space, but now we’re down to one or two new entries per year with roughly the same in losses, and the major ones still hanging on and influencing the local newspapers.
And to think we’ve all been a part of this.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 7, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Mine start was the PI blogs.
Which lead me to Jeff Shaw’s blog right before he joined USSmariner and from there I ran into Leone for third right before it became LL.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
I started at the PI blogs as well.
Drifted to the Times blog for a while and then delurked after a few years of reading material both here and at USSM. I never read L43, though.
Why is Fanhome greater then all those?
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
I wish you would've stayed there.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
You're just jealous because I don't suck your dick.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
I was going to make a bet.
But you would screen shot it.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Then I would have to suck your dick.
And that would be gross.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Because you have crabs.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
And receiving.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
I'm sure you brought enough for everyone.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 7, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
You know all about giving, don't you Robert
I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ
Hey man, I'm not the one who sucks dicks
I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ
The one that would fit in my nostril.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
A lot of people seemed to start at the PI blogs.
I managed to bypass that phase entirely, as well as FanHome… or rather, by the time I got to FanHome it had been assimilated by Scout.com, and not without issues, which I think prompted a mass migration to the PI forums and then to SportSpot/Mariner Central. Weird.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 7, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I started on the MLB.com boards in early 2003
and then started reading USSM/L43 sometime during the offseason, and never left. I didn’t really comment on blogs ever until USSM opened comments, and that was the end of the world. I slowly became more active at L43, and now I’m here.
Posted a tiny bit on the P-I board,never touched the Times or ESPN.
When I started reading though I’d say Wheelhouse, Mariner Optimist, and Sports and Bremertonians were my favorites to read…it was a good 6 months before L43 even emerged as something I read every day. USSM was always the Cadillac of Mariner blogs though
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I'd forgotten about the Bremertonians.
They were good fun while they were around. I miss them sometimes.
The Optimist is still lurking in various places. He said he’d come back someday, but now that we all have reason to be optimistic, there’s almost no role for him anymore.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 7, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Hooray Scott Atchison is back in the major leagues
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YES
Where is our favorite forty-ninth rounder to make the major leagues?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 7, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Signed a MAJOR LEAGUE DEAL with Boston
He was pretty effective in Japan the last couple years though, but I admit I forgot all about him and definitely double-taked when I saw his name
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A lot of guys who head over to that side of the pond don't come back.
At one point, I thought Rick Guttormson was going to pitch for the Mariners. He was one of those neat indy league reclamations projects we picked up back in ‘04 I think. We even added him to the 40-man, as I remember, but then he decided that he was going to play in Japan. He’s moved to Korea now, but before that he threw the first no-hitter in interleague play for the NPB.
anyway, good for Atchison!
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 7, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Rick got busted as the first PED player in Japan
and was suspended for 40 or 50 games. If I remember the story correctly, he said it was for something to keep him from going bald and he didn’t know it was illegal.
I played little league and graduated high school with him, but didn’t keep up after HS because we didn’t like each other very much. If he is still anything like he was as a teenager, I believe he would take PEDs and take something to cover it up. I also equally believe he’d not take PEDs and fuck himself over by taking something illegal even though he didn’t know it was illegal.
No shit?
Yeah, I remember the PED story, masking agent and all that, might be why he ended up leaving the NPB after 2008. Who knows really?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 7, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
I have no idea really what happened and I don't remember
if there was a follow-up to the initial PED story in the US. We graduated from Anacortes High School in 1995 and I haven’t seen him since then. He was never a bad guy, but we had very different personalities. Of course, a person can change dramatically over 10+ years and even though I’d believe both sides, it probably will keep him from playing in the US and Japan ever again.
Larry's reporting that the Cubs are interested in Mike Cameron.
I know it will never ever happen and it probably wouldn’t make much sense, but I want Mike Cameron back so bad :(
Ya I just saw this.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
Fucking Twitter.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
The javelin glitch is great though
I love shooting them from a hundred yards or so, it’s hilarious
by seattlebruin on Dec 7, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Fucking hate it.
I went through 10 matches that were completely unplayable.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I could see it being less fun in hardcore
but equally funny nonetheless. I want to do it on Rust, you’d be guaranteed a 2:1 K/D at least
by seattlebruin on Dec 7, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
And you'll be banned.
In Hardcore it just kills everyone including your teammates.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Now all they have to do is ban the people who blatantly aimbot/wallhack on PC
I thought this new multiplayer system was supposed to be unhaxxable? I’ve run into a few pretty blatant cheaters
Team name ideas needed!
My wife and I just joined a bowling league, and we are apparently taking over a team that lost all its members, and we’ve been told we can keep the existing name or come up with our own name. The current name is Pin Pirates, which is somewhat lame. So I need ideas for a team name. The only two hard-and-fast rules are no obscenities and nothing political.
Any ideas?
There's already a Pin Pals in the league unfortunately
And there’s also a Bowlarama so that’s out.
by pdb on Dec 7, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
The Flying Potatoes
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Awww, no obscenities
I was thinking just change “Pin” to “Ass” and you’re set
I just wanted to recognize that at least SOMEONE got the reference.
My team is named “Moving to Florida” after the Butthole Surfers song, which begins “I been movin’ down to Florida / I’m gonna bowl me a perfect game”
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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 8, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions
Pedantic question
Is it “data is” or data are" (eg “The data is skewed” or “The data are skewed”)
I always say “data are” but tend to get funny look
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Data is the plural of datum I think
so “data are skewed is correct”.
by pdb on Dec 7, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
That's why I wonder
Sure, from a grammatical perspective “data are” is correct, but functionally has English evolved to the point where, for all intents and purposes, the correct usage “data is?”
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I think it's just because everyone's said it wrong.
Much like they becoming an acceptable gender neutral singular pronoun.
"They" is widespread, but I don't think it's close to being acceptable yet (at least not with people who take a real interest in the language)
Well what the hell else are we supposed to say?
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Dec 8, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
But if you don't know the gender?
It?
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Dec 8, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Traditionally, he functioned as the generic singular pronoun.
That doesn’t go over very well nowadays, though, so we have to work around it by pluralizing or using “he or she” or whatever.
Who else had a whole slew of good beer this weekend?
I decided to not listen to my hatred of large masses of people and go to the Holiday Ale Festival on Friday. While there were indeed eighty bajillion people there, I had a ton of good beers. In no particular order:
Hair Of The Dog JIM
Collaborator Sled Crasher
Block 15 Old St. Nick
Dogfish Head Chicory Stout
Golden Valley Tannen Bomb
Laughing Dog Chocolate Huckleberry Stout
McMenamins Elven Conspiracy (I never thought I’d love a McMenamins beer but this was really good stuff)
Bayern Face Plant
I had a few other tastes as well but those were the ones that stuck out.
Two disappointing beers:
Stone Bourbon-Barrel Aged Arrogant Bastard. Not bad, but Stone’s capable of so much better.
Widmer Cherry Aged Doppelbock. Tasted like a melted popsicle, and not in a good way.
Then after the festival, we went to the 5th Quadrant and had Lompoc’s seasonal Vanilla Stout, which is unbelievably good. Good beer makes me happy.
I wouldn't say it was a slew.
But I finally had Stone Levitation Ale and loved it.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
I had a lot of Bud Light
and I mean a LOT of Bud Light
Kona had a Kona Coffee Stout at the ale fest
but it was very limited and we didn’t even come close to getting there early enough to get some.
by pdb on Dec 7, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
Next thing I know is that you're gonna hate La Roja
(which I doubt, since like everything else Jolly Pumpkin does, it is made of awesome)
YuleSmith Summer Ale?
Why does that sound contradictory?
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Dec 8, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, see, I'm not crazy
you can ratebeer it yourself, it’s blocked here
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/330862
They brew a YuleSmith summer as a double IPA and YuleSmith winter as an Imperial Red
I experimented with some Boulevard Brewing Company beers this weekend
was impressed, particularly by the Bully! Porter
I’ve also lately really been enjoying some Bristol Brewing Co. beers, Laughing Lab being my favorite
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I've only ever had the Bully! but I liked it pretty well
I need to try some of their other ones. Never had any Bristol beers, actually, are they worth checking out?
by pdb on Dec 7, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
I also had a Watermelon beer.
Forget what it was called.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
I've generally hated New Belgium's beers.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
I know I'm probably in the minority, but I find lychees to be revolting.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
I can't imagine they would taste good
but then I also don’t care for sour beers so there’s that I guess.
by pdb on Dec 7, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
I had Widmer's Brrr for the first time.
I actually enjoyed it and I normally don’t like their brews.
I like Widmer's beer just fine
but the food at their brewpub has always made me sick. Brrr is a really good beer, probably one of the better ones they make.
by pdb on Dec 7, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Had a surprisingly good Ethiopian stout. Can't remember its name, though.
Also a three-year-old bottle of Avery’s The Reverend that my reverend father had saved, and Cantillon’s Lou Pepe ‘04, which is possibly the prettiest beer I’ve ever sampled.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Dec 8, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
I hope so.
The more QB prospects declare the better for the Seahawks.
No.
And lets just say that comes from someone close to him.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
That's sort of amazing given that you can't find many mock drafts with him below the #10 pick
and many have him going in the top 3 (or #1 overall). If that’s accurate, that’s one hell of a risk he’s taking.
Good on him though; he could improve with another year under Sarkisian’s offense. But turning down guaranteed money in a sport like football seems a bit crazy to me.
This is how I feel also.
Especially with the NFL most likely going to cap rookie bonuses. Even if he is the top pick next year. He will lose money.
But another year with Sarkisian he will become a better player.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
After this last season in football.
Baseball is a clear 2nd choice.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 7, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Let's not forget that he's going to be the Angels' starting outfielder in 2015.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Dec 7, 2009 3:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I guess they'll only have one.
Rightfielder.
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by Eyebrows on Dec 7, 2009 3:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
House preempted tonight by Carrie Underwood Christmas Special.
Trash wins again
I would be reall upset about this had House not completely jumped that shark in the episode where the diagnosis was Lupus
I long for the day that the entire diagnostic team including House gets stumped by a simple case of H1N1
by pdb on Dec 7, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
Misdiagnose chickenpox and shut down the entire country due to a smallpox quarantine that involves all interstate travel.
Leaving millions of pounds of fresh produce and frozen poultry products to rot.
Carrie Underwood up close?
Not impressive. At all.
by Manzanillos Cup on Dec 7, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
(sigh)
So. Covering even minor league baseball has its perils. Inevitably you get fanboys of various players gunning for you. Devin had Jack Arroyo’s biggest fan gunning for him. Jack Arroyo hasn’t played affiliated ball since 2006. No one but the Mariners wanted him in the first place.
I have Joey Newby’s biggest fan gunning for me. Someone asked me about Newby a week ago, and my reply was “Shiny ERA, but he ran a 40/36 K/BB in 53.0 innings.”
Today, I get two comments from someone in my spam filter going by the name “Jay might be a moron”….
Hey Jay,
Do you know anything about Newby? Anything at all? Do you think that his ERA was an accident? Do you think he was just SQUEEKING BY, or was he the most solid relief pitcher at the higher levels the last half of the season? Yes, he walked a few guys, but doesn’t that mean you would have to work harder to keep that ERA lower? He was out of basball for 2 complete season after being let go by the A’s the day after injuring his arm and requiring Tommy John surgery. Spent those 2 years doing all his own rehab, working odd jobs to stay afloat and then finally gets a shot with the mariners and because he comes into spring training in TOP PHYSICAL CONDITION, he is suspected of using steroids and forced to sit out of spring training until the test results were returned. Only was allowed on the field with 8 days left in camp! So after 2 years of busting his ass, he gets to Arizona a month before minor league camp, wants to start throwing and be ready to go and instead is told by the mariners, "You look like you are on something, you’re the only 1 out of the 200 guys here that has to do this, so go back and sit in your hotel room for 3-4 weeks till we get the results back, no you can’t use our weight room, no you cannot throw here, just sit and wait"! So yes, his first 20 innings were a little shaky, but if you can’t look at the last half of his season and say, "WOW," he pulled it together and will only get better! You’re a fool!
but wait, it gets better!
And lastly………. If Newby were to walk a guy, strike one out, walk 1, strike one out, walk one, strike one out……….what’s that ratio and era come out to be? Isn’t it a 0.00 with a 1:1 K/BB ratio? Good math! Yes, he’s a single away from giving up 2 runs! But did he? NOPE!
And before I forget………how did the Mariners 1st Rounders do at the exact same level? I believe fields had a 6.5+ ERA and Aumont was unable to pitch the last month of the season because he broke his hand after one of his SOLID OUTTINGS! But again, you know best!
Not that I mentioned Aumont or Fields in comparison, but let’s throw up Newby’s cumulative numbers are a reference point:
April: 6.2 IP, 7 H, 3/3 K/BB (4.05/4.05 per nine)
May: 10.2 IP, 11 H, 7/8 K/BB (5.91/6.75 per nine)
June: 15.0 IP, 6 H (.130 BABIP), 15/12 (9.00/7.20 per nine)
July: 8.2 IP, 10 H, 8/6 K/B (8.31/6.23 per nine)
August: 10.0 IP, 10 H, 5/6 K/BB (4.50/5.40 per nine)
GOD! How could I not see Newby’s tremendous progress over the course of the season? Oh wait.
</ end rant>
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
Maybe you should do you research and understand the full story behind the friends of players before you go throwing out statistics all willynilly.
You are irresponsible and borderline dangerous.
I actually did get into it once with someone I believed to be the player's girlfriend.
She made a similar argument with off-field details justifying lackluster performances, and respecting the magnitude of said details, I agreed to lay off.
That player later had an arm injury, which has led me to qualify that he still kind of sucks.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 7, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
"Yes, he walked a few guys, but doesn’t that mean you would have to work harder to keep that ERA lower?"
This is my favorite line by far.
You're right!
The organization should endeavor to retain such a hard worker!
Honestly, for me it’s between that, and the whole bit about if he walked three and struck out three in the same inning, he would have a 1:1 K/BB, but would maintain a 0.00 ERA because he didn’t give up that theoretical two-run single.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 7, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I made the comments public.
He came back later armed with the conspiracy theory that I work for the Mariners and they don’t want the truth to get out, so I quoted the stats I listed above.
One of us is going to learn an important lesson.
Odds are, it’s going to be me. About not trying to engage these people.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 12, 2009 1:09 AM PST up reply actions
So, I've seen about 15 minutes of the replay of saturday's game.
May I assume that the next 3 quarters are more of the same?
heh.
You’re insinuating that you really enjoy drugs! You’re an Xbox Live outlaw and you ain’t afraid of the 5-0 or your lame dad busting in and finding that seven-month old roach clip you hid in that box of Pocky!
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 8, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Someone has to be on the bottom of the Bell.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
The weeble wobbles but it won't fall down.
Rob Johnson and his floppy wristed catching style will show you, he’ll show you all
by Kermit. on Dec 7, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=floppy%20wrist
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
The ムラマサ☆ live DVD is really good so far, I'm sad I didn't get a chance to see them live before they broke up.
Lots of energy and enthusiasm. I’ve seen tons of live shows and they would probably rank up there in terms of fun level.
Ye gads again?
I thought we just had a woot off.
Couple weeks ago, yeah.
It seems like they’re doing them with increasing frequency lately.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
They're just trying to clean out their inventory before Christmas.
I don’t know their fiscal calendar, but I’ll bet they are coming up on an accounting cycle as well. Companies hate having inventory when they are running the official numbers.
What were the products or did you just read about the woot off?
by pdb on Dec 8, 2009 8:25 AM PST up reply actions
I get woot's RSS feed in my Google Reader.
So far they’ve featured:
I will smash your face into a jelly.
Is there a Woot feed that's just the products for sale?
I tried to subscribe to their RSS once and it was the blog and the products. I quickly found I didn’t care about the blog and just wanted to find out the daily product.
by pdb on Dec 8, 2009 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
No, it's all one in the same.
I just quickly zip past the blog posts to get to the products. It’s not so bad, really.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
It's not Woot
but Amazon’s offering a 6 foot HDMI cable for 20¢. That is not a typo. TWENTY CENTS. Plus shipping, of course, but still.
by pdb on Dec 8, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
Christmas for the whingers comes early!
National team goalkeepers can now commence bitching about the extra-ridiculous-swervy qualities of the official World Cup ball, like they do before every tournament.
it's purty
I’m just sad that Jens Lehmann isn’t in Germany’s team any more because listening to him complain before 2006 was comical.
by pdb on Dec 8, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
Keepers always whinge about that and about how it gives all the advantage to the striker
but goalkeepers are stupid because the last four World Cups don’t even crack the top 10 in goals-per-game average, and the tournament with the highest goal-per-game average was in 1954 when, if you believe the purists, the game was played with a dessicated sheep’s bladder by men with cardboard boxes on their feet who smoked at halftime.
by pdb on Dec 8, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
Anybody know an easy way to get IE to run on a Mac?
I don’t have Windows, and am not particularly interested in dual-booting OS X and Windows; my wife needs to run IE so she can work from home but I have no other need for Windows in my life. I’ve tried Crossover, but it doesn’t seem to work without a bunch of java plugins – which I will get if necessary but I’d rather not if at all possible. Anybody have any luck with this or any other app that can get IE running on a Mac?
Firefox has a nice IE tab...though I don't know if Firefox runs on a Mac.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
It does, actually
and I’m kind of annoyed I didn’t think of that before. Thanks. We’ll see if it works…
I'll muck around with it tonight and report to a no doubt breathlessly anticipatory audience tomorrow.
You can try this
http://lifehacker.com/328056/run-internet-explorer-on-your-mac-with-ies4osx
Or Virtual Box method
http://blog.mozmonkey.com/2008/vpc-ie6-ie7-ie8-on-mac-os-x/
Safari also has a emulation you could try
http://www.davidalison.com/2008/05/how-to-let-safari-pretend-its-ie.html
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 8, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
I miss Troy McClure.
You may remember him from such films as Hydro, the Man With the Hydraulic Arms and The Contrabulous Fabtraption of Professor Horatio Hufnagel.
Not to mention "Lead Paint : Delicious But Deadly" and "Here Comes the Metric System!"
and the classic: “Fuzzy Bunny’s Guide To You-Know-What.”
.
Lisa: "Hi. I remember you from such filmstrips as “Locker Room Towel Fight: the Blinding of Larry Driscoll.”"
Troy McClure: “You know, I was one of the first to speak out against horseplay.”
The Meat Council Presents: `Meat and You: Partners in Freedom'
Hi, I’m Troy McClure. You may remember me from such educational films as “Two Minus Three Equals Negative Fun” and “Firecrackers: The Silent Killer”.
I can't decide - Aside from the family, I'd say Groundskeeper Willie, Chief Wiggum, Apu, Flanders, and, for some reason, Frink.
Maybe Frink because I used a pictures of him with the bubble machine and with the octopus clinging to his face as the background for a presentation on the career prospects for a chemist which I made in middle school and it was a huge hit.
He's pricesless in The Devil and Homer Simpson,
which, incidentally, I enjoyed so much that I went and read “The Devil of Daniel Webster” and it became one of my favorite short stories.
God I hate Lisa.
I would have to say Gil was my favorite
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 8, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
She was like Meg and Brian from Family guy
Morphed into one.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 8, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
She is so amazingly voiced by Yeardley Smith, though.
No other voice actor on the show can impart as much emotion as she can.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
Space Coyote.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 8, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Dear Ms. Hoover,
You have Lyme disease. We miss you. Kevin’s biting me. Come back soon. Here’s a drawing of a spirochete. Love, Ralph.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
Mrs. Krabappel.
in the middle of "Fuzzy Bunny’s Guide To You-Know-What", you hear her mutter “She’s faking it.”
by msb on Dec 8, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Yo bruin
Sorry about bailing on you in MW2 last night. GF came home and it was quicker and less painful to go.
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For future reference, this is the sort of thing that's probably better handled over email.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
Or Facebook, or gchat, or no apology needed at all.
A UCLA alum should always expect the worst out of USC alums.
He's gone back and forth a lot.
He was one of the early advocates of him, then went back to not including him on the Frank Thomas argument. I didn’t realize he was even on board again.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 8, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe it's just a phrasing issue, but final two sentences:
Yesterday, I was comfortable arguing that Edgar belongs. Today I’m back on the fence, waiting for someone to give me a good push in either direction.
Which is strange, because the way the argument is structured, it feels like he wouldn’t have thought Edgar belonged yesterday.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 8, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't Edgar get robbed 2 All Star games at least for the game being played in a NL park?
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 8, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Well that seems dumb, he led the league in OBP both years
But one of those years has to have been in an AL park.
On a merry adventure to find where all the other smart people went off to.
Must be unsettling to sit back one day and take stock, suddenly realizing hey, I’m surrounded by nincompoops.
Submitted without comment:
Soup Kitchen in my Pants (NSFW unless you have headphones)
I will smash your face into a jelly.
Well, unlike cats, you do have to be there to let dogs out.
other than that, though …
by msb on Dec 8, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
An aunt did not attend my sister's wedding because her dog had a cold
This was 9 years ago and she still catches endless amounts of shit for it. The dog, it should be noted, is still alive today and perfectly fine.
by pdb on Dec 8, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
I'm going with
- I’m controlling the game with my penis, which is tired from being fondled.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 8, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Fun fact, Robert once played a whole drive in NCAA football against me with his penis.
I scored in three plays and one by two points.
I suck because everyone else is way freakin better.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Dec 8, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
This is way too realistic a reason
Stop being so well-adjusted and come up with a lame excuse
I suck because of the economy.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Dec 8, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
YES PLEASE
Turns out this whole sharing-a-cubicle-with-two-coworkers thing is kinda annoying.
by pdb on Dec 8, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
I'm so dehydrated from this weather, I'd likely keel over.
but I’d give it a shot
by msb on Dec 8, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
While sleeping?
higher potential for inadvertent drowning that way.
by pdb on Dec 8, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
If only you were closer, first round would be on me.
This week had two Mondays in it already, and it’s only Tuesday. Crap.
I do!
I’m posting massive amounts of data to a server and I can’t leave until it’s done. It started 3 hours ago.
Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org
Fuck yes, I need a drink.
I’m not going to have time for it until Friday though.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 8, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
I figured I'd post this in here as well for the people that don't want to venture in the Rumor Thread.
I had a witty reply to this.
But, alas, I don’t want to be banned.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
I think I get the message regardless ;)
Honestly though, my 2 1/2 year old neice saw this photo and immediately started chanting “Griffdog!” and singing “Take Me Out To The Ballgame”. I think I need to print out a copy of it for her bedroom. It can go under her poster of the Moose.
I just cataloged a documentary on Lil' Wayne.
It had occasional subtitles, as though it was featuring Ozzie Osborne instead.
by msb on Dec 9, 2009 7:38 AM PST up reply actions
Every time I think the trainwreck that is Ryan Leaf is finished, he writes another paragraph.
That guy is either going to do porn, a reality t.v. show nobody watches, or eventually wind up living under an overpass. Or all of the above.
One of the kids from Home Improvement is probably already a drug addict and desperate to get back on TV.
This is coming along quite nicely.
Do you think we could get Tara Reid to direct?
That's a wrap.
Airing on MTV, Mondays at 8:30/7:30 Central.
Why would we want Tara Reid to direct?
she can co-star with Ryan Leaf and Tila
It will just be a back and forth between action and full penetration scenes.
Until it just ends.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 9, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
3rd assistant hair dresser.
I mean we are talking about Tara Reid and Tila Tequila.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 9, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
Also hair products will get on them
by royalcurve on Dec 9, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
99 cent baked potatoes for everyone?
Although I would prefer a RC snack cart.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 9, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
Wendy's is awesome though, even if not in the same league as the RC snack cart
we should set this at Jack in the Box
We'll save RC's food for us, the producers.
I doubt Ryan Leaf has a discerning palate.
Don't you get the munchies when you're drunk?
I ate an entire bag of Doritos thanks to that over the weekend
Has anyone seen or heard about this?
http://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/24/baraka-first-ever-8k-hd-restoration-blu-ray-disc-gets-ship-date/
Apparently its Planet Earth with people.
This is kinda interesting
Posnanski puts up a list of the first players to reach million-dollar salary milestones; first to one million, first to two, etc.
Albert Belle. Huh.
Bahaha
Albert Belle used to be a boy scout
That's always how I felt about him
He’s one of the rare athletes that I really wanted to know a lot about his non-playing self, because he’s pretty much a walking case study.
Things BrianL and I have in common with Albert Belle.
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 9, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Never made it past Cub Scout.
In hindsight, I’m kind of proud of that.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
I got to Wolf.
Then the den mother was a real bitch and I quit.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 9, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
Despite what the Boy Scouts tell you
Pretty much anyone can be any eagle scout as long as they show up and hand in their homework. It’s not nearly as prestigious as they make it out to be.
Yeah but even that can be done in the most craptastic manner
Hello Blood drive! Seriously anyone who did a blood drive for their Eagle should be stripped of their Eagle.
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Arsenal are starting Tom Cruise in their meaningless Champions League game today.
This 18 year old one, not that one.
This round of Champions League matches sure has been interesting for the British clubs!
I love the CL group format, it’s so gripping!!!
by EnglishMariner on Dec 9, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
I was hoping that Arsenal would have a fan contest
in which fans could express, in 50 words or less, why they should be allowed to start a Champions League group stage game, and the top 11 would actually get to play at least 45 minutes. That, I would watch. This, not so much.
In an unrelated yet still awesome note
The apartment occupying the part of the West Upper at Highbury where I saw my first three Arsenal games is apparently available. If anybody wants to buy me a Christmas present it’s Flat 40 plot 261.
When I win the lottery I’m buying at least one apartment in this complex.
The stadium no longer exists
the park in the middle is where the pitch was, and the East and West towers are the old grandstands. The East Stand was a listed building (historic site) so it couldn’t be torn down; when Arsenal built their new stadium they decided to turn the existing stadium into apartments. They own the site outright so these apartments are going to be a main source of funds for the club for the foreseeable future.
The reason there’s a park where the pitch was and not more apartments is that dozens if not hundreds of people have their ashes scattered over what used to be the pitch, so the club decided to make the pitch a park out of respect.
by pdb on Dec 9, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking of 18-year-olds playing in pointless games,
Wee Dani Pacheco is on Liverpool’s bench today. And Alberto Aquilani’s finally making his first start.
I'm not really invested in him one way or the other, but I doubt he gets fired this season.
The Champions League flop is surely embarrassing, but they’re three points out of fourth place with a lot of season left, and everyone seems to be getting healthy again now that they’ve all had their fill of horse placenta liquid.
Plus there's a non-trivial chance that Hicks and Gilllette can't afford the fat buyout of Rafa's contract
But in all honesty he’s not doing too badly – in addition to this year, one Champions League trophy and one other final, and a second place in the Premiership? A lot of managers would love to have that sort of record.
by pdb on Dec 9, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
He has been so wasteful with the money given to him however, apart from the odd notable exception.
He has a lot to answer for.
by EnglishMariner on Dec 10, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Is Tom Hundler going to say "Your Two-Thousand-Ten Seattle Mariners" or "Your Twenty-Ten Seattle Mariners"?
Jeez, now Elliot Bay Bookstore is moving? The hits just keep on coming.
Elliott Bay Book Company, the Pioneer Square icon, will be moving to Capitol Hill this spring, according to store owner Peter Aaron. The bookstore, which has been in trouble and losing money the last two years, revealed earlier this fall that it might have to close unless it could move to a better location with better terms. Their lease on the current store is up early in 2010.
There has been widespread concern about the future of Elliott Bay, battered by the economy, changes in book retailing, the rise of Amazon, and a climate in Pioneer Square that has made business more difficult for the store. In addition, the store was hurt by last year’s snowstorm.
The store’s new location will be on 10th Avenue between Pike and Pine on Captiol Hill in a 1918 vintage building. The new space is a bit larger than the current store and will incorporate a cafe and space for author appearances, says the company in a statement.
,,,
[New] Aaron did confirm that the bookstore has received new financing, but would not give further details.
I swear I heard about this weeks ago.
And I don’t even live in Seattle anymore.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 9, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
The one that got me all kinds of excited was Powell's. They had a book buy in the U-District a few years ago.
What was amusing is it was directly across the street from University Bookstore, which caused a bit of a stir. I hear U. Bookstore sells used books now, which is good and may have been forced by the situation. Still, having a Powell’s up here would have been fantastic.
Ugh more Seth Green
Though I guess that’s to be expected.
Otherwise, awesome.
He wasn't terrible but I hate him from so many other things it was a little bit of a distraction to hear his voice
It didn’t ruin the game or anything, but I would’ve preferred someone else for that role.
Too bad it's Carlson though.
Could have at least been someone with a future.
by Mariner John on Dec 10, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
And they just finally added them to Madden!
I’m wearing them in Madden from now on in protest.
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NOOOOOO
The only Quiznos in Manchester has closed down! The sooner I win the lottery and get my apartment in NYC, the better.
by EnglishMariner on Dec 10, 2009 10:39 AM PST reply actions
Exactly
there are plenty of kebab vans around.
Fuck Anaheim.
by Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth on Dec 10, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Whenever I am in the States I love to go to Quiznos.
Compared to anything over here it is on another level. I realise it is probably shite by ‘local’ standards, but for me it was awesome.
by EnglishMariner on Dec 10, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
That speaks ill of the quick-food industry in Great Britain
but then again that’s the country of Little Chef so yeah.
And I know Great Britain isn't one country so I should have said "area" or something
but my brain’s still cold from my ride in.
Most restaurant chains use this business model.
Use high quality food for the first year or two and then slowly replace it with dog food while moving the prices upward.
Not surprising
I also remember the size of Quizno’s largest sub being bigger. They used to have to cut it into thirds!
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I remember it being expensive, around $13 for a large sub, but they were awesome.
I wish I had one right now…
by EnglishMariner on Dec 10, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
If you had it in New York
I could totally see that price…
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
Never said it was but I'd still rather eat it than Quiznos
My bottom three as far as fast food goes:
3. McDonald’s
2. Quiznos
1. Taco Bell (caveat: extreme drunkenness renders Taco Bell somewhat edible)
How Quizno's rates above McDonald's I don't get.
I have not been able to eat McDonald’s in over 8 years.
When you get to the bottom three there's really no discernible difference between them
except that Taco Bell would never be dislodged from the #1 spot.
I can't see putting Quizno's in that company, but fair enough.
Watch out for a truly ghastly Quizno’s somewhere in the PDX metro area, I guess.
Winning the lotto would actually make NYC liveable.
For like, a few years at least.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
Do you live there?
Tell me your thoughts. I’ve only been twice, but it’s the most inspiring place I have ever been to.
by EnglishMariner on Dec 10, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
I live there, yes.
I would not judge New York on the basis of visiting it. It’s a great place for tourists if you manage to avoid the locals (who despise tourists), but actually living in New York provides many complications, such as vermin of every known kind, dysfunctional transportation on weekends, the exorbitant cost of everything (which necessitates near constant working, not sightseeing), stress radiating from everyone, and the fact that most residents are oblivious to anything existing outside of a two block radius of their apartment or place of work.
There are places to go, and people to be ground, and much beauty to be discovered, but it can be overwhelming at first. I see the good in it now, after finding people to hunt it down with, but generally, being calm and reserved, it doesn’t suit my disposition.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 10, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
It’s a great place for tourists if you manage to avoid the locals (who despise tourists)
So it’s like Hawaii…
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
Yes, but angrier.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 10, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
Kauai can be angry.
Or at least sullen and quietly full of contempt…
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
In my many visits to NYC I did not find that the locals despised tourists
as long as you as a tourist knew what you wanted to ask/look for, and knew to stay out of the way, locals were great. it’s the clueless tourists that stand in the middle of the sidewalk at 9AM looking at a map while eighty billion people are trying to get to work that pose the problem.
Yes that's the main part of it.
But even non-tourists seems to get absent minded on busy sidewalks and stand around idly, causing a huge mess.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
I know he's not from London, but the "exorbitant cost of everything" is still a good description of England.
Even New York may seem reasonable in comparison. Except for beer. FUCK the price of beer in NY.
You can still get $2 Pabst?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
That was kind of the point.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
I must've missed that. Would've taken it.
Best deal I found was riding the Staten Island ferry and buying beer on the boat.
I just could not fathom paying $7 for a pint of something half-decent. Yeesh. I know, I know, that’s manhattan, and you’re paying for atmosphere or whatever, but damn.
In the UK, every single thing is priced at ludicrous levels EXCEPT beer, where a cheap lager is maybe $4 or $4.50. Which is bad, but not half as bad as every other product and/or service.
Stay away from heavily touristed areas and that $7 pint can be had for $5 in a lot of bars
still expensive, but at least not fuck-you expensive.
Yes.
It varies from bar to bar, but there are plenty places around where I am (which is student-y, not tourist-y) where you can get a pint of Harpoon IPA, which is drinkable at the very least, for about four bucks.
The trouble is that a lot of places either don’t have any selection (Guinness, and then variations on swill) or charge entirely too much because they get the foot traffic.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 11, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
I never went to terribly touristy areas (no Times Square)
though perhaps the east village counts…. and it’s the east village where I felt you couldn’t find much under $6, though some of them actually had very good selections.
Even SoHo, however, or the LES didn’t have too many bargains. Yeah, maybe $5 for something pretty standard, but for $5 here, you can get pretty much any beer you want.
oh Jens Lehmann you magnificent insane bastard I miss you so
You just don’t get this at your average MLS game.
I can't believe I'm rooting for a LA team.
But they’re just so quick and front-loaded it’s insane. I watched 10 games in my stint in LV, and they’re the type of team that should be able to win and bring in fans.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
I really need to make time to get to a game
I think the thing that is refreshing about the Kings is that they’re so anti LA in terms of roster. Almost all of their talent is talent they developed internally.
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Well it's only through the end of the season
in theory to keep him in shape for the WC. But yeah I dunno.
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Ah David Moyes....
he’s the one who first brought Brian McBride to England at PNE, then took him to Everton. Can’t remember if he signed Eddie Lewis at Preston or if that happened after Moyes’ move to Everton.
Anyway, it can’t hurt, and I’d still like to see what Donovan could do in Europe when he isn’t sulking in Germany.
Maybe I'm just far too skeptical
but if he couldn’t regularly start for Bayern Munich, much less score a goal in a match that counted, what are the odds he’ll go to Everton and make any sort of difference?
You think it's easier to start for Bayern Munich than it is for a struggling EPL team?
If he’d gone to Wolfsburg or Armenia Bielefeld or Hertha and not started, yeah, maybe, but I don’t count “couldn’t start for Bayern” as a deathblow to his chances to have some impact w/Everton.
I should clarify: I’m skeptical too, but this seems like a real low risk sort of a deal. It’s a short-term loan, and Everton need SOMEthing. I understand it from Moyes’ perspective. But if Landycakes sulks, or if he plays terribly, I won’t be all that surprised. He seems to love the comfort of playing in California. Of course, I used to think McBride was the biggest overhyped bust of a US soccer player ever, and he had a great late-career surge that started when he hooked up with Moyes.
I think the level of play in England is better than it is in Germany
so that’s where my skepticism comes from. But yeah, I don’t think there’s a big risk in taking him on either.
Yeah, I'd concur that the level of play is better in England, but Bayern /= average level of play in Germany
And I think you could claim that, for this year at least, Everton’s a step below average for England.
This is where I'd love to see some normalized stats across nations
a quick look at both tables shows me that Bayern are in 4th with 27 points from 15 games – the 4th place team in the Premiership, whose name I cannot recall, are also on 27 points. There are more goals in the Premiership – third-placed Arsenal have 38, Chelsea have 37, and that fourth-place team has 35, while Leverkusen, 1st in the Bundesliga, has 30 (Werder Bremen have 31), and Bayern have 24.
Meanwhile, Everton are in 15th, on 16 points having scored 19, and the 15th placed team in the Bundesliga, Bochum, are on 13 points with 14 goals scored. Everton are three points clear of the drop zone, while Bochum are one thin point clear (assuming only two German teams go down since it’s an 18 team league).
What does this mean overall? Who knows – the Premiership does appear to be the better league but the gulf isn’t maybe as big as it has been in the past. They definitely score more in England, but I don’t watch enough German football (read: any German football) to know if the defenses are that much better in Germany.
Yeah, though pure goal differential doesn't tell you as much about overall quality
It’s a league that clearly gets less international talent and generally acts as a supplier of talent to England/Spain rather than poaching talent from England/Spain… that’s all I need to know.
I think it’d be cool to see why Germany, or the Dutch League, or whatever, score more or less than some international average. Is it because there are fewer shots, is it because there are fewer ‘bad’ turnovers? Are there more or fewer one-man plays where a guy either makes a long run or dribbles past a few people, gets some space and shoots? More combination play with lots of passes?
I think all you need to know about Bayern is that their goalkeeper's name is Butt.
For that reason alone they are the greatest soccer team in the world.
by Aaron Campeau on Dec 10, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
Nicky Butt was a famous English player for over a decade, first w/Man U and now with Newcastle
Which Butt do you prefer?
I just used up all of my good karma
I left for Oregon a couple of days ago and left my bag containing my clothes and laptop on the top of my car. I promptly drove away, not realizing I had left it. A lady called me a couple hours later to ask me if I had forgotten anything. She returned my bag to my house and would not accept payment.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy to have my laptop back, but I wish I could’ve spent my karma on something cool rather than something preventative.
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 10, 2009 1:36 PM PST reply actions
I bet the people were from Vancouver.
Fucking Vancouverites. Oh, wait…
I will smash your face into a jelly.
I like the idea of spraying the trees with urine
they would really start to smell delightfully as they warmed up in someone’s living room.
I would not want to be the low man on the Arboretum staff totem pole if trees must be sprayed with urine
hard to summarize that job skill on a resume.
Nothing says holidays more than helping the homeless. This way they get a warm meal for doing what they were
This way they get a warm meal for doing what they were gonna do behind a dumpster anyway.
Why not just put up some signs around the rare trees this time of year?
People would probably be less inclined to use something they knew was an endangered species as a Christmas tree.
The kind of people that would steal a tree from an arboretum?
by Aaron Campeau on Dec 10, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Well there are assholes out there who would still do it
It’s a pretty big dick move to steal a tree from an arboretum, but it takes a much bigger dick to steal a tree they know is an endangered species from an arboretum. I doubt whoever took it had any idea what they were destroying. Maybe they wouldn’t care one way or the other but it would probably give at least some of the douches who do this kind of stuff pause.
There's also the kind of douche
who would be more likely to steal the tree if he/she knew it was rare.
It's possibly but it's not like there's a huge market out there for endangered tree species
And if they were in the business of illicit species trade they could very likely find out about these kind of things through news publications anyways.
I dunno, it seems like the chance of some idiot deciding “I want a christmas tree but I don’t want to pay for it, durr guess I’ll take one from the arboretum!” Is better than someone deciding they want to kill an endangered species or try to sell something that probably doesn’t have a huge amount of value. Because most of all, the legal punishments for doing those respective things are way, way different.
It is rare in your adult life that you receive a gift that is so wonderful, so pure, so full of love that it reestablishes the miracle of Christmas in your heart.
Bay Area LL'ers
I’m looking to come down to watch Opening Day at Oakland and perhaps also San Francisco. Does anyone know when the A’s and Giants usually release single-game ticket sales? I figure the calendar for that isn’t out yet.
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 10, 2009 2:27 PM PST reply actions
If there's gonna be an ice storm
can it at least be on Friday instead of Saturday so I can get a day off work? Is it too much to ask that killstorms disrupt work and not a weekend?
If it's going to be sub-30 for a solid week I think I'm owed a few inches of snow
I love the cold clear days, but snow is awesome.
Anyone have any cool parties to go to this month?
Holiday-oriented, I mean?
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
I thought you had some of those?
I don’t want to picture you all alone with only hummingbirds to keep you company over the holidays…
"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz
I think we're throwing one on Boxing Day but I'm not 100% sure
but if we don’t throw one we’ll be at a bowling alley so there’s that.
I'm probably going to be working on New Years Eve instead of partying.
Although at work I’ll be kinda sorta hosting a party, sorta.
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
How is B winning? Those glasses look ridiculous. Personally I went with C, based solely on the angry expression and flexing forearms
I also voted for C.
But it only had like 10% at the time?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 10, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
Being on the Mariners website (which I never go to) reminded me.
Was there a Griffey commercial last year? I can’t remember last year’s commercials to save my life. I guess I will go look it up and answer my own question.
Oh yeah, I remember now. I guess they can't get away with not having a Griffdog one this year though. I hope it's about tickles!
They only made five ads or something last year
where typically they make eight. Also, Griffey was too late a sign for them to use it, so they just went back and re-aired the “Griffey Cloning” ad.
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 2:19 AM PST up reply actions
Also true
though they could have re-aired a number of great ads.
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
Yesterday's was damn good, too.
Slightly NSFW (Rated R: Partial cartoon nudity, hilarious sexual content)
I will smash your face into a jelly.
I used to read it more
but then I noticed that he got into a bit of a rut and seems to use a lot of the same basic ideas and themes over and over.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 11, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
Steve Kelley.
I don’t read Steve Kelley, because, well, he is Steve Kelley. But he had the only Mariners-related piece in today’s Times, so I thought, well, why not see ….
sigh. the first thing I read is: “Editor’s note: The following conversation is purely fictitious; a dream perhaps, from a troubled mind.”
yup. He has brought back Ducky Ponds.
Never mind.
ESPN has started leaning heavily on this trope as well and it's incredibly annoying.
I don’t want to read imaginary conversations that authors make up.I REALLY don’t want to read imaginary conversations that Steve Kelley makes up.
I have liked but one instance of it.
That being this one.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
The only imaginary conversations I want to read
are the ones written by Jeff.
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Allright bowling people, I have questions
We started in our bowling league last night. It is now apparent to me after only one night that I suck at bowling. But that’s not the issue, I’ll get better as the league goes on. My question is, what is a good brand of bowling shoes? I don’t want to have to wear rental shoes every week for the next 20-odd weeks, so I need my own shoes. I don’t want to spend a ton of money ($60 at the absolute outside), and I see a whole bunch of options out there, but I don’t know a damn thing about bowling shoes. Any suggestions?
One of these days I’ll get my own ball but I can’t justify that just yet because of the aforementioned suckitude.
Dexter is kindof industry standard.
If you want something on the cheap, KMart will sell you some AMF-branded shoes that will probably last you the season for $20-$30, but one of my friends got shoes like that and the soles just separated from the rest of the shoe.
My mom (who has bowled for 40 years or so) swears by Linds, but they’re expensive.
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
is there anything specific I should look for?
Dexter seems to be the way to go, but what does one look for in a good bowling shoe?
I don't think there's really too much to worry about...
You probably don’t need anything fancy with interchangeable soles or heels or any of that crap… Even I don’t really want that. I would just say that your #1 thing to worry about is if it feels comfortable.
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Just make sure that you get the slide sole on the correct foot.
If you throw the ball right handed, it should be on your left foot. If you’re throwing the ball right handed and sliding on your right foot, you’re doing it wrong.
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
I throw right, slide left
but what I really need is a three-foot-long inanimate carbon rod fused to my right arm, to keep it from going straight across my body on my follow through. It’s been many years since I’ve bowled but that habit has somehow stuck with me.
Try grabbing a suitcase, loading it with a bunch of crap, and just swinging it on your right side.
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
Also, while practicing
Make sure that your sliding foot reaches its stopping point at the same that your ball reaches that spot (imaginary line perpendicular to your toes). This will ensure that you are using a fluid motion and should help keep your arm straight.
As R’s and L’s said, most of it is just training your arm to move the way you want it to.
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
I love having the "dots" on my shoes
It greatly helped my game being able to have more friction on the outside of my foot, which helps pull it straight (I used to, and still struggle a bit with, pointing my toes inside and throwing my balance off).
pdb, don’t go with anything fancy. A $30 pair of Dexter shoes can conceivably last you a life time
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
I have had a pair of Linds EXXXtras that have lasted me nearly 10 years and a ton of bowling
They are amazing, but they were certainly expensive (near-$200).
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
No decision yet
The rest of our team won’t be joining until next Thursday so we put off making the call until they show up. I’m really wanting to go with the Bowling Stones, though. We’ll see.
Also, personally,
I would say that having your own ball drilled to fit your hand is so much more important than a pair of shoes. Unless you are somehow able to find a house ball that is a perfect fit and are always able to use that same ball, you will struggle to find any consistency in your game. A plastic ball (all you should need, for now) can be had for about $50, plus another $35 or so to have it drilled by a professional to fit your hand.
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
$50 seems a little low
but Chris is right here, a plastic ball would be a good idea. Something like a Columbia White Dot or an Ebonite Maxim or a Brunswick TZone.will serve your purposes well.
Most pro shops will drill a ball for free so long as you buy it from there, but there are plenty of websites like bowlersparadise.com that you can use… but if you’re going to buy shoes anyway, you probably ought to go into a pro shop to try things on.
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 12, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
I found a few of them for as low as $50 online
And if he goes to a pro shop they may even have some cheap used bowling balls in there as well
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Dec 12, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Ah, yeah, then you'd have to pay for the drilling. I'm with you now.
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 12, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
We just got the Mariners' annual holiday greeting card.
The photo on it is from Ichiro’s walkoff vs. Rivera, just a moment before the suck-it chop. The fact that the suck-it chop is represented on a holiday card made me laugh my ass off.
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 2:22 PM PST reply actions
Philosophical Question
Would you rather the Mariners follow the success of the Florida Marlins (i.e. Sudden one-year World Series success, decade of failure, then another year or two of World Series success) or the success of the Oakland A’s (i.e. Playoff appearances for five or six years but never reach the World Series)?
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 2:36 PM PST reply actions
Maybe I should have linked it to the '90s Atlanta Braves?
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
The 90's Braves are exactly the model I wish the Mariners would follow.
I want a streak of consecutive playoff appearances, punctuated with at least one WS.
But suppose no WS win.
Still happy?
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
I'd be okay with it
I also just plain like watching well-played baseball. Though missing out on a world series again after 95-03 would be particularly annoying.
Does anybody else randomly bring up video of Ichiro's walkoff shot against Mariano just to have a reason to smile?
God that was a great moment.
(Also does anyone have a link to the Niehaus call of that play?)
I don't bring it up, but every time I see it, yes.
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 11, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
I love Guti's expression.
“Okay Felix. You can let go of me any time. Please let go of me.”
Here's a story that is both sad and factually incorrect.
Robert might still laugh, though. Steelers fan allegedly poisoned and left blind. Grain alcohol is just really high proof ethanol which is I suppose potentially dangerous but in no way poisonous. He’s confusing it with wood alcohol (methanol) which does get reduced to a toxic substance. Still, that’s brutal.
I fucking love snooker.
Fuck Anaheim.
by Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth on Dec 12, 2009 11:36 AM PST reply actions
Also
Thanks Villa!
Fuck Anaheim.
by Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth on Dec 12, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
I thought he was supposed to be good.
I’m just angry, but goodness that was a terrible own goal. No pressure at all.
Because he's only particularly good at attacking for a defender
He’s like the James Riley of the Premier League!

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