Mariners Close To Signing Chone Figgins
Per Rosenthal on Twitter and also on Fox Sports:
The Mariners are on the verge of signing free-agent infielder Chone Figgins to a four-year contract in the $36 million range, according to a major-league source.
The two sides are "very close" to a deal, the source said — a deal that would be a serious blow to Figgins' previous team, the Angels.
More in a bit.
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So.....guesses as to when the Angels sign Beltre?
I’m saying on Tuesday.
"you don’t drive in runs with base on balls."
~gitanoloco
I'm wondering how Dave is going to respond.
That is, after USSM is back from the inevitable FA signing crash.
He said Figgins made a lot of sense at 4/40. At 4/36, boy howdy.
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by JY on Dec 4, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Shall I work the fill-in-the-blank for Dave Cameron now?
“Chone Figgins signed with the Mariners today for a slightly below market value contract over four years. While this costs us our first round draft selection (#18 overall), the value of that pick is more than made up with the savings on Figgins. Figgins projects to be a 3-4 win player over the first two years of the deal, and likely is getting less than market value because a large part of his value comes on defense. Good work by GMZ to target and sign an undervalued asset at a fair, below-market price”
by seattlebruin on Dec 4, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
I would rec this if mobiLLe didn't suck.
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by Eyebrows on Dec 4, 2009 12:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Annnnnnd we're green.
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by seattlecougar on Dec 4, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
Great, now I'm going to need to know how to say it!
Is it Sean or Ch-(as in cheesburger)-Own?
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It always bugged me when we played the Angels that his name was spelled wrong.
Now it can bug the OTHER TEAMS!
by ARock on Dec 4, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Forget pronouncing it right
I like pronouncing names phonetically, regardless of how they’re actually supposed to be spelled, and Chone Figgins has always been a fun one for that. Jaquizz Rodgers from Oregon State is also great material.
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by seattlecougar on Dec 4, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
But Jacquizz Rodgers name is pronounced EXACTLY like it's spelled...
jah-quiz rod-jers
Whizz
Jack-whizz.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 4, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
You're more literal than I am
I like Jah-qui-zee-zee, Jack-weez, Jock-whizz, etc. There’s a lot of good material there for someone a few beers in and slightly bored.
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by seattlecougar on Dec 4, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Here's a handy mnemonic device:

Cheech

Chone
by lemonverbena on Dec 4, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Does this mean we're re-signing Jeff Weaver?
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by seattlecougar on Dec 4, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
If it was supposed to be pronouced Sean/Shawn, Shaun, it would be spelled that way.
There’s plenty of acceptable ways to spell that name. Chone is not one of them. I refuse to pronounce it any way but Chone.
by I Lick Squirrels on Dec 4, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Ichiro is a Japanese name, and as such should be given the proper Japanese pronunciation.
Chone is American, and as such has no excuse for such a pronunciation.
by I Lick Squirrels on Dec 4, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
I just don't understand the rationale - his parents named him and spelled his name differently
since a name is a large part of what makes us individual people, why is it wrong to have your name spelled differently than other people who pronounce in the same way? It shows individuality and creativity by the parents, and isn’t that something we should promote more of?
As someone whose name has been frequently mispronounced throughout my life
I still say call the fucker CHONE
It shows retardation by the parents.
If they wanted to name him Sean or one of its variants, spell it that way. His name is Chone.
by I Lick Squirrels on Dec 4, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
You have your wish, sir
Desmond DeChone Figgins
by nathaniel dawson on Dec 4, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Woah, I'm tired.
First comma should be another /
by I Lick Squirrels on Dec 4, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
Hopefully we can sign Harden too.
Two aces, two Ichiros.
Chone Figgins lead the league in walks last year!
Almost 5 times as many as Betancourt!
This is something that just boggles the mind
how can a guy with a <.100 ISO post such a walk rate? Insane. Even if it comes down to career norms, its still a bit hard to believe.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 4, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
YOU WILL FEEL MY WRATH FOR BESMIRCHING EYEBROWS.
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by Eyebrows on Dec 4, 2009 12:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Figgins was in my opinion the most annoying Angel.
That’ll make him by definition one of my favorite Mariners if we sign him.
It depends on how the contract is structured
For example if they pay out 7, 9, 9, 11 they we have a bit more flexibility this year. That’s the nice thing about backloading contracts.
But hurts us in terms of flexibility in the future
yeah, it could be a cross-that-bridge-when-we-get-there thing, but I’d rather have a defined situation now and flexibility in the future than flexibility now and a potential albatross down the road
I really, really like this
Always been a fan of Figgin’s skills, but only recently have I been able to identify their actual value. I don’t think we’ll see a 6 win season, but I think 3-4 wins will be a safe bet for at least the first 2 years. Now that he has settled in at third, he is establishing himself as quite the defender, might not quite be Beltre status, but a Figgins/Wilson left side is a black hole.
Even if he's + 5 < x < 15, that's still really outstanding
I can’t possibly hope he’ll throw up another couple +18-20 seasons with .380 wOBAs, but I would be perfectly content with a .355 wOBA and +5 defense – that’s like a 4-4.5 WAR player right there
by seattlebruin on Dec 4, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Ichiro won't decline
Duh. When our favorite android begins to need spare parts, the Romulans will take him back for a refub in the still of a warm June night.
by Rachmaninoff on Dec 4, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Well, this is going to take some getting used to
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I'm with you.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
For sure
Although I am pretty sure that most of my dislike of him was simply because of the uniform he was wearing
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by tootthekazoo on Dec 4, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
I hate his face.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 4, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
I'll feel alot better about this if we trade Lopez for something that makes up for the loss of our first round draft pick.
"you don’t drive in runs with base on balls."
~gitanoloco
I'll feel a lot better about this when a killer whale eats your nuts
by seattlebruin on Dec 4, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
I am using this meme as long as the trade Jose Lopez trade bandwagon exists
by seattlebruin on Dec 4, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
I'm only on that bandwagon if Zduriencik finds better value.
But I do want to see Lopez moved down in the lineup. He shouldn’t be batting 3rd.
This I can objectively agree with
he’s a pretty prototypical #6 guy – not great OBP, but some pop and handle the bat decently well.
by seattlebruin on Dec 4, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
If by "handle" the bat, you mean swinging and fouling off pitches four feet out of the strike zone
then yes, yes he can!
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I was hoping for a concentration camp analogy meme to come from that
Like moving Lopez would be the Treblinka of terrible trades.
But, it was not to be :(
I may be in the minority here but...
I’m not at all excited about this! The first time he doesn’t make the bare handed play on the slow roller, I’m going to let him have it!
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Oh Red, you wouldn't be happy about anyone who would replace Beltre! Not even Evan Longoria!
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He would with Eva!
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 4, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
If you love it, set it free
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 4, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
You can love them both!
It’s possible!
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by Eyebrows on Dec 4, 2009 12:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe we can teach him to appeal to first
by lemonverbena on Dec 4, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
I think I would puke.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
I agree.
Fuck Chone. There’s no way he could ever stay in a game with a torn testicle.
by I Lick Squirrels on Dec 4, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
Figgins is one of my favorite non mariners.
by Kirk on Dec 4, 2009 12:19 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Figgins is also a type A free agent
“Waves goodbye to #17 pick as it floats to the Angels”
That pick is nothing special...
Last time we picked that high, we wound up with Josh Fields. Woo-friggin-hoo! Plus assuming Beltre rejects arb, we still get a supplemental rounder, which is only a few slots below anyway.
While I agree that the pick isn't all that much to get worked out about,
you can’t justify losing the pick by getting the pick for Beltre. We’d have Beltre’s pick either way.
Unless we had signed Beltre
And if we didn’t we probably wouldn’t have found production equal to either of them elsewhere.
Just because we did something stupid with a mid-first rounder last time doesn't mean that an entirely different group of people will do something stupid with it this time
by seattlebruin on Dec 4, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
It was Zduriencik
that signed Fields, you know.
by nathaniel dawson on Dec 5, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
"That pick is nothing special... Last time we picked that high, we wound up with Josh Fields."
it was Bavasi and Fontaine who picked Fields, you know
Figgins is worth it
Zduriencik has made a career off of intelligent draft picks, but he definitely sold his case that picking up a known commodity as opposed to what we get at 18, who has a good chance of falling flat on their face.
I think the quantity of our early picks last season made this pick even more expendable. The chances of picking up the quality that Figgins will produce during the 4 year contract with the 18th pick are extremely slim. That’s not to mean there won’t be quality players available at 18, but Figgins is worth forfeiting the chance to reap those benefits.
Ugh, and Gregg Zaun is a Brewer
from an irrational fan perspective, today has been a horrible day for me
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That's not a consolation
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Not so fast says Rotoworld
Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports heard from an Angels source that Chone Figgins is still available and the Halos are “still hanging around.”
SI.com’s Jon Heyman reports that the Mariners are in the lead, but bidding is still taking place. Figgins is reportedly asking for $36 million over four years; the M’s have offered $32 million for four years and the Angels are at $24 million for three years.
"you don’t drive in runs with base on balls."
~gitanoloco
If he can stay around that rate, wow.
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by JY on Dec 4, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Those are wildly different offers
Not exactly “hanging around” when you’re offering a year less
That's not really that easy of a thing to do
Another year and another 8mil is a lot to add to an offer.
Fuck yeah
if were in the lead with a 4/32 offer then great. I mean, its not like we’re getting Chipper Jones or anything but he’d fill a big need for a few years and can move when someone else comes along. Sweet.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 4, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
The positional flexibility is one of the things that sells me on it.
There’s no guarantee that a number of our aspiring infielders and outfielders will pan out, but the idea of having a guy who could move quite easily in the event they do and still provide solid production is rather exciting.
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by JY on Dec 4, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
If Bill Hall can get any of his swing back Wakamatsu is going to have a ball next year filling out lineup cards.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 4, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
COMPUTER SAYS:
ROB JOHNSON : CENTER FIELD
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by Eyebrows on Dec 4, 2009 12:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Was about to say
Who’s the idiot: Heyman for being an idiot, or me for consistently reading the idiot’s work?
Its still not totally clear to me why we'd rather have a 4 yr deal with FIggins compared to a shorter term deal
with Beltre.
And Beltre isn't going to sign a short-term deal.
If he is willing, he would accept arbitration and try to negotiate out two or three years before the hearing.
Couldn't have said it any better
even if we get him, it would be three years of Beltre for the price of four years of Figgins, who is a better fit for the team anyway
by seattlebruin on Dec 4, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
They are about equally valuable
but the way Chone gets his value fits better into the team Zduriencik is trying to build, or so it seems.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 4, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
For 4/36, I'm feeling somewhat decent about this
I’d like some home runs on our roster, though. Stat.
But it's a little easier to score when you can hit the ball over the fence
by seattlebruin on Dec 4, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Not to mention, a little diversity helps.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
Without fireworks, home runs have lost their appeal over the years.
(increased understanding of advanced metrics have helped, too)
Duh, clearly the answer is to bring back Ritchie Sexson
by Rachmaninoff on Dec 4, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Richie.
Sorry, that one always drives me crazy.
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by Eyebrows on Dec 4, 2009 12:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
mea culpa
But at least he’s not on the team :)
by Rachmaninoff on Dec 4, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
[helmetthrowing.gif]
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by Eyebrows on Dec 4, 2009 12:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yay!
Even though Figgins is everything I hate about the Angels rolled into one player. I hope he stays the annoying little pest that he’s always been.
SEA!
He walks, though.
That’s not really a stereotypical Angels thing.
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by Eyebrows on Dec 4, 2009 12:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Is it because he's short?
how the hell does he walk that much? I don’t get it.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 4, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Fouls off about 80 strikes per at bat.
Yes, we have a coupon.
by Crystal for DH on Dec 4, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
This needs to hurry up and become official already.
"you don’t drive in runs with base on balls."
~gitanoloco
GOD I KNOW
I’m not getting anything done at work. This is the first interesting baseball thing to happen this winter.
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by Eyebrows on Dec 4, 2009 12:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You werent excited for the Scutaro signing?
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 4, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Ugh, watching Twitter for #mariners news...
is almost as painful as reading the comments at the Seattle Times.
heyman says the M's are very close to signing him
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/mariners-on-verge-of-signing-chone-figgins.html#comments
very smart move by the M’s if this thing gets done
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so its a done deal?
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phillies are stupid
for an extra 3M a season they couldve had a much better player in Figgins
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Two million!!!
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 4, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
2 million reasons why the M's are smarter than the Phillies
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Anybody got a list of Twitter feeds to follow for more updates?
I have the local beat reporters that I follow, but I don’t have many of the national guys
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Is it just me or does anyone else have mixed feelings about a 4 year deal?
Being a fan of a team who has been burned so many times by long term contracts I am somewhat gunshy of this, rational or not.
At 9 a year, he should cover the value of his contract pretty easily barring injury.
Good free agents wont sign short term deals, so be happy that the price is reasonable (favorable, even)
I'm still hoping the last year is a PA based vesting option
which justifies going nearly 1M a year more than the Angels.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 4, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
Basically what Aron said
think of it as a three-year deal in terms of value added, with a decent shot at simply freerolling the fourth year if he adds eight-nine wins in the first three
The final year or two he may not live up to the contract, but he won't be a Silva like
non-factor. Maybe he’ll only be 6 million dollar player in 2012 or 2013, but it’s not like this deal with hurt the franchise from being successful down the road
Usually, salary inflation for free agents somewhat balances out declining play
When DeChone Figgins is in the 4th year of his deal, free agents will likely be getting more, maybe $5 to 5.5 MM per win. That has the effect of making him more affordable in the future.
by nathaniel dawson on Dec 4, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
The last time we signed someone to this contract it was Jarrod Washburn
Chone Figgins is much better than Jarrod Washburn
by Graham MacAree on Dec 4, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
Since I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about when we signed Jarrod Washburn
what kind of player did he project as? 2 WAR? Less?
Yes, Washburn was predictibly a 2 WAR player
So we gave 10 mil per year to a league average player. This time we’re giving 10 mil per year to a better than leage average player, potentially significantly better.
I thought he was around average at the time
If I had the tools then that I did now I would have revised that down a win
by Graham MacAree on Dec 4, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
So you would have guessed we were paying $10M/win when it was closer to $3.9M/win on the market at the time
oh Bill Bavasi, I don’t miss you
Maybe that should have been 1.5 WAR
That was his average over the three years before he signed with us
by Graham MacAree on Dec 4, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
Any which way it was a sucktastic deal
This one would not be.
So, Beltre goes to the Angels, hangs around the magical Bobby Abreu, in that ball park, and strats hitting again?
Spiezio comeback tour
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 4, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
I'm still holding out hope that Beltre stays and they put Figgins at Second.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
Beltre on the 1 year arb deal would be too expensive.
I am hoping Chone plays 3 and we trade Lopez for value and get another 2nd baseman.
I get that, but it makes me sad.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
He's just being part of the family tradition
by Graham MacAree on Dec 4, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
Tui can go get fucked for not following in his brother's legacy while being one of the major reasons why the UW program went down the shitter.
Is it a hilarious professional failure if you never actually get more than about 4 starts?
by msb on Dec 4, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
Well, the Raiders also picked Darrius Heyward-Bey 7th
Sebastian Janikowsi 16th overall, and caused me for the first time ever in the first two round of the NFL draft to honestly say “I have never heard of this player before right now”
Jamarcus Russell 1st overall.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 4, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
I forgot that they picked a kicker in the 1st round.
Thatw as much worse than Russell or Heyward-Bey.
Janikowski was a once and a lifetime kicker!
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 4, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Not necessarily
If we move Lopez I imagine that Tui will be our 2B next year.
Are we really that high on Tui's ability to make the transition to second in just one year?
in the catastrophic event that Lopez is moved, I like the idea of getting a stop-gap FA 2B more than Tui, I think.
My guess
Would be Tui plays 3rd, while Chone Figgins plays 2nd.
It doesn't make much sense to move a guy who has learned to be a very good 3b off of third,
especially in favor of someone who hasn’t proven to be great either way.
Hannhan/Hall
Plus you see who this year’s Adam Kennedy is.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 4, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
But kind of like having him around as utility/insurance guy
but I guess we have Bill Hall for that too
Well, if this leaves us with ~15 million...
You’re in pretty good shape, since what you’d need at that point is C depth, the #1 and a couple of hitters for 1B/DH. If you’re lucky, you find this year’s Branyan (since Branyan won’t be the deal he was last year).
I have a somewhat irrational desire to sign Mike Cameron, though. Because I think an OF defense with 3 CFs (Saunders as the 4th backing up) would be pretty neat. You’d probably have to play “wheel of DH”, though (rotate position players through the DH position to give them days off), and that’s not going to work with Griffey!!! on the roster.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 4, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Better then Lopez.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 4, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
Bad news, guys.
Maybe this wasn’t such a great pick-up after all. Jason Churchill is saying on his blog that Figgins isn’t even worth 4/$30M. Sorry.
Uh
this one is truly special… why does Pedro think that Chone is coming in to play second base?
by seattlebruin on Dec 4, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Because Lopez is as good as gone!
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 4, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Churchill hasn't liked a lot of what Zduriencik has done.
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by JY on Dec 4, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Which I don't get.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 4, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Wait what....
I just checked the thread.
By: Jason A. Churchill on 12-04-2009 14:12:59
10-11 isn’t my concern… he’ll be worth the money, most likely, during that two-year span.
It’s years three and four, when he’s 34 and 35 that I’m worried about.
But the M’s are better today than yesterday. Right now, they have the second-best roster in the AL West behind Texas.
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by JY on Dec 4, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
I think its just important for everybody to remember
that there aren’t many 35 yr old players who are worth paying $9 million a year. There are even less that have never shown any power throughout their career.
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 4, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
There aren't many league average 35 year olds?
by Graham MacAree on Dec 4, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
So I checked
and last year there were only 19 hitters born in 1975 or earlier who had a WAR of 2 or higher. There were only 11 that were born in 1974 or earlier. I don’t think that is very many.
Out of those 19 hitters, only 6 of them have ISO under .150 and none of them have ISO under .100.
I just think a lot of things for Chone have to keep going right for him to stay a league average player as he ages. I’m not saying its a horrible deal because it isn’t that large of a deal and he does have a lot of flexibility to fit in and fill any holes our team might have in the future. I’d probably say its a fair deal and is giving the M’s good but definitely not great value for their money.
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 4, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
God that Ichiro sucks
if we were paying him $3M/year, it would be worth it though
Jason's initial response to most deals is that he hates it, the player involved in overrated, the money
and terms isn’t right. Then after a couple days, he posts something like he did above. Where it’s like “Yeah, the deal isn’t so bad afterall”
And in fairness, his whole deal seems to be that the M's aren't contenders in 2010, therefore
they should be doing 1 year deals and avoid paying out significant money until they are truly positioned to win
Well it sounds like Churchill doesn't know what the fuck that he is talking about and is making shit up as he goes along.
by Robert on Dec 4, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
www.prospectinsider.com
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 4, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
It sure looks like question, what with that strange bit of punctuation at the end.
by abender20 on Dec 4, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I re-read and now I'm confused.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 4, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Judging by his comments about Figgins
He’s an incredibly angry little man.
From @shannondrayer
“Figgins deal all but done-most likely will not be announced today however.”
Ok everyone, back to work.
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by Eyebrows on Dec 4, 2009 2:18 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Fuck work more baseball
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by JY on Dec 4, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
You don't have to wait.

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by Eyebrows on Dec 4, 2009 2:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You certainly pay for it later.
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by JY on Dec 4, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions

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