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Note: by the way, the deal's official now.

  • For whatever it's worth, I haven't been away or anything. Matthew's just been on another level, saying everything that needs to be said while being interesting in saying it. This is a co-author blogging groove the likes of which we've never seen and I'm more than happy to ride it out.

  • When I first heard about the Morrow deal, I couldn't make sense of it, and the best explanation to me so far is one I've seen suggested by a few people - this is directly related to the Halladay/Lee exchange, the result of a handshake agreement between the M's and the Jays that Brandon Morrow would be headed to Toronto even though they couldn't work things out during the original window. Dave's got a few paragraphs on it. Basically, this is a trade that doesn't make a lot of sense on its own, given the context and the Mariners' needs, and when you have a trade that doesn't make a lot of sense made by an intelligent front office, you have to assume that you don't have all the information. This is not a falsifiable theory, but it does strike me as the most probable basis. Last week there was a weird three-way-but-not-three-way-deal in which we got Cliff Lee for very little. Now we make a trade with one of those teams where it seems like we're giving up too much. I have to think they're connected. But, hey, maybe not.

    Update: Z says that this deal and the Lee deal were separate. If it's true that these moves aren't related, that we're forced to consider that either the M's did this to prepare for another move or, more likely, Brandon Morrow just isn't seen as being that valuable around the league. Which, in turn, would also tell us a lot about how the M's see Edwin Jackson. But then the M's have been after Jackson for more than a year. Now I'm confused.

  • The Phillies traded Cliff Lee because they couldn't afford both him and Roy Halladay. Now they're allegedly chasing Fernando Rodney. Incredible.

  • I think Matthew has done a good job of explaning why we all may have been overrating Brandon Morrow. His secondary stuff sucks, he's made zero progress as a starter, and he doesn't throw strikes. He is, right now, a decent reliever with solid-starter upside, but the odds that he never develops into something special are remarkably high. With that said, it is also necessary that we avoid the trap of taking Brandon League as some kind of guarantee. League, to date, has had one really good season, a season in which he started throwing a splitter a third of the time. He missed bats, he got groundballs, he got hitters to chase pitches out of the zone - Brandon League, in 2009, was really really good. At the same time, though, he's a reliever. Some good relievers from 2008: Grant Balfour, Brian Fuentes, Brad Lidge, Kerry Wood, Jose Arredondo, Will Ohman, Rafael Perez, Brandon Morrow...relievers are volatile. This isn't anything new or groundbreaking, but sometimes we can lose sight of that fact. Remember how quickly JJ seemed to lose it?

    League is a good bet in 2010. He's young, he has good stuff, and the fact that his newfound success was tied to a change in his repertoire suggests sustainable causality. But nothing is certain, and we shouldn't take him for granted. While his odds of remaining awesome are good, the odds of regression or even disaster are very real, and not to be ignored.

  • I do love Brandon League, though. Unless you believe in the sustainability of warning track fly balls, he's better than David Aardsma. Relievers with good stuff are nothing new for the Mariners. Relievers with good stuff that can avoid walks, however, make me do the Wallace & Gromit hand clap.

  • My personal favorite angle on the Morrow/League deal: this is Jack Zduriencik trying to clear the organization of as many Bavasi players as he can. Yeah, that's sensible. A good GM doesn't make moves for the sake of making moves, and he doesn't make moves just to prove a point. Z didn't inherit the Bavasi Mariners. He inherited the Mariners. As soon as Z rose to power, Bavasi's players became Zduriencik's players, and you only move your players if you think that doing so will help the team get better. If Z thought less of Brandon Morrow simply because he was drafted by the Bavasi regime, that would make Z a retard, and Z isn't a retard, unless he's the most functional and intelligent retard of all time. 

  • An important reminder: Brandon Morrow's career FIP in the bullpen is over 4, and his career FIP in the rotation is over 5. Morrow is all potential. Although he's thrown nearly 200 Major League innings, he is still very much a prospect. I'd argue that he's more of a prospect than a guy like Nick Hill or Doug Fister. While the term "prospect" is used interchangeably with "talented minor leaguer," it shouldn't be.

  • Yohermyn Chavez is interesting, but nothing else. My personal philosophy is that, barring extraordinary tools, you shouldn't pay much attention to a minor leaguer until he's done something in AA, and Chavez hasn't gotten there yet. In time, maybe, but I'm not going to get my hopes up.

  • All offseason long, I was convinced that we'd end up trading Morrow for a regular first baseman. Now I don't know what to think, as the front office remains way ahead of me. Free agent options are still hanging around, but with Michael Saunders suddenly looking like a possible trade chip, I'm not even going to bother speculating on who's the most likely find. 

  • Interesting to see Morrow come clean about how much his treatment in 2008 hurt his development as a starter. Just another reason to root against Carlos Silva as a pitcher and as a person. You do not deserve to be happier than me, Carlos.

  • An important difference between Brandon League's goggles and RRS' goggles is that Brandon League's goggles are more reflective. The additional reflectiveness makes League more intimidating. Also making League more intimidating is the fact that he doesn't have pinpoint command and throws a hundred miles per hour.

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Goggles, lack of command and 100mph fastball?

I think I’ve seen this somewhere before.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Dec 23, 2009 12:07 PM PST via mobile reply actions   5 recs

This almost makes me hope that he sucks

Just so I can heckle him drunkenly like Randy Quaid does

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Dec 23, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I was like, "Quaid wasn't in Major League." I looked up his IMDB.

Major League 2 never happened. Also, I notice he was in Caddyshack 2 as well.

Nice work Quaid, you got yourself into two of the worst sequels of all time.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 28, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Where did this mythical trade value for Morrow come from?
By the way, for those interested, here’s the all-time list of pitchers who accumulated at least 150 innings before age 25 and had a BB/9 of 5.5 or higher at that point in their career. Morrow’s is 5.83 right now, by the way.

61 pitchers on the list. The successes – Nolan Ryan, Johnny Van Der Meer, Lefty Grove, and J.R. Richard if you ignore the fact that his career was over at age 30.

That’s it. There are a bunch of Bobby Witt/Jason Bere/Seth McClung/Daniel Cabrera types, who just never figured it out.

4 out of 60. Do you like those odds?

by Janic on Dec 23, 2009 12:10 PM PST reply actions  

FWIW

Richard’s career ended because of a stroke, not because of anything typical to pitchers.

by The Ancient Mariner on Dec 23, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Why would Z not link it to the Lee/Halladay deal if it actually was linked?

And not only not link it, but now deny it? I tend to believe the clearing of everything Bavasi-related theory.

by ralphie81 on Dec 23, 2009 12:10 PM PST reply actions  

That last sentence came out wrong.

I tend to believe the clearing of those that Jack believes we can improve on…as Jeff points out below, most of them just happen to be linked to the Bavasi era.

by ralphie81 on Dec 23, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you for this:
If Z thought less of Brandon Morrow simply because he was drafted by the Bavasi regime, that would make Z a retard, and Z isn’t a retard, unless he’s the most functional and intelligent retard of all time.

by Teej on Dec 23, 2009 12:11 PM PST reply actions  

Hopefully,

this is not too close LLchatspeak, but that was one of the funnier things I’ve read in a while. T

by don gato on Dec 23, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Good one

I almost spit out my coffee when I read this.

2009 Safeco Field Record: 6-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 10-4

by Fin on Dec 24, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

instantrimshot.com

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 24, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Forgot to mention

Maybe, just maybe, Z is getting rid of a lot of the Bavasi-era Mariners because a lot of the Bavasi-era Mariners suck.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 23, 2009 12:11 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think thats true though

Minus the Bedard trade, our farm system and youth would be pretty fucking amazing.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 23, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

The theory of this deal being part of the Halladay deal makes sense from a value perspective

but aside from Zduriencik’s denials (which don’t mean that much, they denied being interested in Bradley after all) there is also the issue of physicals. If Morrow was a significant part of the Halladay package, wouldn’t the Jays want a physical from a young pitcher with quite an injury history before they ship off their ace?

I think Jack might be a bit of a TTO GM. He either hits it out of the park or whiffs (or walks, which is… I dunno; not a very apt analogy after all).

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 23, 2009 12:19 PM PST reply actions  

Nevertheless

he is under no obligation to reveal agreements reached between him and other GMs. He may want to give the impression that this was a separate deal for reasons entirely his own, we will never know for certain.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 23, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Too many questions left unanswered.

Why keep this part of the trade secret? (and deny it after it is made official)
Why wait a week after the main piece to do it?
What if either pitcher failed their physical? Halladay already has his extension, everything previous to this can’t be undone.

It’s much more reasonable to believe that Jack Zduriencik isn’t infallible and/or that Morrow’s trade value wasn’t as high as some thought it to be.

by Janic on Dec 23, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

"Unless you believe in the sustainability of warning track fly balls, he's better than David Aardsma."

Eddie Guardado made a career of those for a while.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 23, 2009 12:33 PM PST reply actions  

Rec'd for Wallace and Gromit.

I’ve always liked League. Then again, when I only had Gameday to follow games I was impressed by pretty much anyone that threw 100mph.

Fuck Anaheim.

by Eyeball Kid on Dec 23, 2009 12:38 PM PST reply actions  

This is all very interesting..

As a Jays fan I’m also a little confused by the deal… prior to this deal I saw Morrow as one of those high upside pitchers who you take in the middle rounds of a Fantasy draft and hope for a breakout campaign. Not much has changed… but I know a little more about him now and my optimism is a little more cautious than before.

To be honest I’ve never liked Brandon League… the guy can throw triple-digits but he knows exactly how and when to absolutely implode. This clip (skip ahead to 1:30) sealed this opinion of Brandon in my mind. (I also had $20 riding on the Jays winning 76 games so that stung a little but more than it usually would.)

He can certainly be brilliant from time to time so hopefully he can do that a little more often in the future than he has in the past. In a perfect world, both the M’s and the Jays win this trade and get some solid young arms.

Why do we do this to ourselves?

by Kenjamin on Dec 23, 2009 1:03 PM PST reply actions  

Nope.

Those just made me angry at the time based on the situation. I had already formulated the opinion long long ago.

Again, not saying he’s worthless. Just giving an example of how frustrating he can be. I’m sure you have no shortage of similar Morrow footage based on what I’ve been reading here at the landing.

Why do we do this to ourselves?

by Kenjamin on Dec 23, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Every reliever not named Mariano Rivera is frustrating, though.

So you just pick the most talented ones and hope for the best. But they’re all going to get torched a few times a year.

by Teej on Dec 23, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

League certainly does have talent. If he’s worked on that new splitter and starts to find the strike zone a little more there are going to be some very irate Jays fans.

Why do we do this to ourselves?

by Kenjamin on Dec 23, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm

You guys sure right a lot in your subject lines. Must be an east-west cultural difference….

Why do we do this to ourselves?

by Kenjamin on Dec 23, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

“Write” not “right”…. hoo boy.

Why do we do this to ourselves?

by Kenjamin on Dec 23, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a rule around here.

You’d be wise to do the same when you’re here.

by coreyjro on Dec 23, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, my apologies. I'll try to be a little more respectful when visiting foreign lands.

Anybody know where I could get a good cup of coffee?

Why do we do this to ourselves?

by Kenjamin on Dec 23, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

No idea

I guess I can relate to your feelings on League. Morrow was maddening in a different way. Like walking nearly every batter he faced to open the 09 season. As a closer.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 23, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Bold lettering is easier to read and follow.

And subject lines allow you to easily hide content and makes for easier moderating. Also, it’s really just … just so much better.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Dec 23, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

My favorite angle on the League acquisition:

He has the back of his jersey, “LEAGUE”, “22” tattooed on his back.

Looking at who’s wearing 22 now, I think he’s in for an expensive tattoo removal soon.

by craig3410 on Dec 23, 2009 1:22 PM PST reply actions  

Huh?

I don’t get it. Who’s wearing 22? What’s on first?

Anyone that thinks Yuniesky Betancourt outplayed anyone last year, you're a moron, and I hope your genes are stricken from the world to prevent further breeding.

by Gaude on Dec 23, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Did he finally do the number?

I knew he had his name up there, but heard he hadn’t wanted to add a number until he stuck with a team

by msb on Dec 23, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't coaches usually give up uniform numbers for free?

And players give them up for a nice watch to a player with seniority.

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Dec 23, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

This trade still kinda annoys me

Stick Morrow in the rotation and he is above replacement. Trading him shifts Fister to the 5th spot probably and kinda fills a hole in the bullpen (I guess). Just looking at how the team is constructed, I don’t see how this makes us better overall. I agree that I was hoping Morrow would bring in a 1B with him. League is cool but at some point you have to just try Morrow in the rotation and see what you get. If he doesn’t work out you don’t get much in return in a trade but if he does work out at all he either helps the team alot or brings back more in a trade.

Now we probably need to get a SP. Hopefully there is something in the works.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 23, 2009 2:07 PM PST reply actions  

I'd like to at least see some upside

That was the nice thing about Morrow. His downside was a #5 SP but he had enough upside to make things interesting.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 23, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, his downside

was (and is) roller-coaster middle reliever.

by The Ancient Mariner on Dec 23, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

As a relief pitcher he is striking out 8+ K/9

and his control can be bad but isn’t abysmal. Morrow at no point is a middle relief pitcher.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 23, 2009 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Morrow hasn't really been a great reliever thus far.

He gets tons of K’s, but still walks too many guys. He had a killer stretch of dominance in ‘08, but that’s been about it as far as showing the ability to be more than an average reliever.

by BrettJMiller on Dec 23, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Nick Hill!

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 23, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Quite possibly

I’m guessing, though, that he’ll start off in the rotation in Tacoma, and we’ll go from there.

by The Ancient Mariner on Dec 23, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

He's going to pull the Pujols and Utley trades on Christmas day

So the fans in St. Louis and Philly won’t find out about them for a few days.

by CMC_Stags on Dec 23, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't imagine many trades/signings go down between now and New Years

if only because who the hell wants to go to the office during Christmas?

by craig3410 on Dec 23, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

If I recall,

the Beltre signing was somewhere around the 27th of 28th of December.

by Liebkartoffel on Dec 23, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, no

nevermind, it was the 16th—the day after the Sexson signing. Wow, I was hilariously optimistic about the 2005 season because of those signings.

by Liebkartoffel on Dec 23, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Man, I remember being in a great mood after those two signings

And then didn’t Richie hit a pair of dingers on opening day? False hope to the max…

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Dec 23, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

My friends and I were home from college

and threw a party in honor of the Beltre signing.

by TheTank123 on Dec 24, 2009 7:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Blind leading the blind.

Jim Moore and Kevin Calabro discuss Brandon League.

by msb on Dec 23, 2009 3:18 PM PST reply actions  

Good GOD we need an NBA team again.

Just to save Calabro. Why do you make the game’s best play by play man (talking basketball here) into a talk show host? If I was the god of Seattle I would have him doing Huskies, Cougars, Zags, whatever mascot Seattle University has, high school games, etc. every day of the week. That would be his talk show. Doing play by play for basketball games. And I would allow him to say TWO IN THE CAKE ONE IN THE PUDDIN after every three point attempt.

by Johnny Slick on Dec 24, 2009 12:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I think this deal can make sense from a 'win in 2010' perspective

Doesn’t this deal make us better in 2010? We’re all pretty upset about missing Morrow’s upside, but we just improved our bullpen – a place in need of improvement.

Also, if we sign a free agent pitcher (something I think will happen now), there wasn’t much room in the lineup for Morrow. With a free agent pitcher in for #4 and Snell at #5, where does Morrow go? Morrow could spend the year in Tacoma, but that doesn’t help us in 2010, and it looks like League’s better control might make him a better reliever.

The real shock of the trade seems to be that we couldn’t get something more somewhere else, but it isn’t implausible that that’s true.

by Snuffleupagus on Dec 23, 2009 5:34 PM PST reply actions  

The Reports on Chavez are all over the map.

Dave comped him to Greg Halman. (Chavez hasn’t actually struck out that much, and he’s walked more, but the comp makes sense.)

Over at Fangraphs, Mark Hulet points out that Chavez was second in his league in homers behind a guy who was three years older.

by philosofool on Dec 23, 2009 7:18 PM PST reply actions  

Ive read a lot of reports on Chavez

and that is by far the most negative one I have read. He was ranked the #1 Prospect in the Blue Jays Org by Matt Hagan at THT, so it seems people are all over the board with this guy.

by Ballard Erik on Dec 24, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Check out Hagan's Mariners list

Here.

Ackley number three, no Moore.

The guy’s not exactly doing a bang-up job of prospect rankings.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 24, 2009 12:18 AM PST up reply actions  

He lost credibility when he stated Triunfel can stay at SS

Makes me wonder how much research he did before the rankings

by Scrupio on Dec 24, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone trying to cover the whole of the minor leagues is bound to have some oversights.

That’s one of the glaring ones.

It’s a trade-off though. People who only focus on one system tend to have perceptions skewed by some level of favoritism, but are bound to pick up on more. National level coverage is more objective, but less deep or informed.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 24, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

John Sickels' list doesn't have Chavez in the top 20

the general idea is he’s very raw and while the power is good, the other key tools, like zone judgement and bat control, aren’t really there. He may develop and he may not, but it seems his ceiling isn’t terribly high.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 24, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Sickels was working on his list while the trade was being worked on.

He didn’t post it until after it went public, so I’m guessing he was aware of the deal and cut Chavez from discussion for that reason.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 24, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

So you did!

I don’t know if I see him breaking the M’s top twenty either, but we may be sufficiently depleted at this point.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 24, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Sigh...

I love what’s going on with the 25 man. But for a farm with very little in the way of SP prospects, Jack sure has decimated what little there was.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 24, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh, it was like that before.

Bavasi taking Tillman and Butler out was what did it for us, and I don’t think anyone anticipated the Morrow issues or that Aumont was going to be a reliever, though you can pin that on him if you like. I can’t fault him for Gaby Hernandez or Marwin Vega failing to develop/sucking, but Fister and Hill were decent gets, and before that, there’s always Feierabend.

So Jack traded Ramirez, who I think was a bit overrated anyway considering he never really got a change-up going and had been pretty much treading water for a couple of years, and Williamson, who was realistically a fringy left-hander. He also lost the Jakubostrich, for which marc will never forgive him, Dickey Time and Jake Woods on outright, Souza for Hannahan which may not be that big of a loss, and Adcock/Pribanic/Lorin for Snell. Jack brought in Cleto (who was bogged down in visa issues), Cortes, who is close enough to Ramirez, [Saito], and Robles along with French, Vargas, and Olson at the major league level.

We lost some depth that wasn’t going to help us in the short term and at the major league level became pretty much set with quad-A arms while adding a few enigmas with potential. We didn’t have much to work with in the first place, but even though we gave up perhaps more than I remember giving, I think it probably breaks close to even, all things considered.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 24, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

However, I don't know how muh Sickels bases his assessments on proximity to the majors

I didn’t see many players on his lists below AA so this may be partially a reflection of what he values. Moises Sierra, for example, also did not make the top 20 either.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 24, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

The fact that this trade was a straight up swap for the same position says everything

From the very start, I thought this trade happened because the team valued League more than Morrow. That’s part damning of Morrow and part praise of League.

I don’t remember very well, but when I saw the portrait of League when this first broke a few days ago, I actually recognized him. He shut the Mariners down very impressively in a game I caught last year. His command was “on” that day and he looked like a relief ace. My memory is fuzzy, but I think the M’s got to him for a run the next day, but overall, in that brief glimpse, he was a player I wanted. Statistically, he seems like a better version of Morrow out of the pen. And while it seems disappointing that Morrow didn’t carry more value to some team, this was probably the best offer we got this winter, and at least we got a pitcher who looks very promising back. I had kind of given up on Morrow and it looks like Z had too. In that sense, I’m moderately happy about this deal. Not even counting Chavez, we traded a frustrating pitcher with upside for a less frustrating pitcher with upside who is a more likely bet to be a 1 WAR pitcher in 2010. I’m ok with that.

by kearly on Dec 23, 2009 7:54 PM PST reply actions  

This is pretty simple folks

and I’m not sure why everyone wants to make it more difficult than it needs to be. Brandon Morrow wasn’t all that great. He could turn into something, but likely he will not. Z saw an opportunity to upgrade the bullpen for ‘10. I’m not disappointed. I don’t think it was bad.

I think that the mishandling of Morrow from the beginning likely ruined any chance he had to turn into a decent starter.

--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Dec 23, 2009 8:33 PM PST reply actions  

I think most people get that

but the timing is what doesn’t make sense. If Morrow’s value is this terrible around the league (a very similar player and a mediocre prospect), then why not hold on to him? Outside of him blowing an arm out, I don’t know how much lower his worth could dip. Might as well keep the guy that’s cheaper, has starter potential, and is under club control for longer.

As things stand right now, this trade is a headscratcher, and doesn’t have the Jack Z trademark. Because I want to kiss GMZ on the mouth, I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt on this, and assuming something else is coming that will pull back the veil and result in much epiphanizing.

by Spider Jerusalem on Dec 23, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

The answers

Are basically right here.

And Zduriencik came about as close to saying that the team didn’t have time to wait for Morrow to blossom as he possibly could without saying it. Pressed repeatedly, Zduriencik finally said:

“He was going to have an opportunity to compete for a starting job, that’s about the best way I could say it,’’ Zduriencik said.

Now, here’s the kicker, which he added seconds later.

“All I can tell you is we had a handful of candidates for, let’s say, the other parts of the rotation, the back end of the rotation,‘’ he said. "And I really didn’t necessarily see this type of arm that could fit into the back end of our bullpen. And that’s why we acquired Brandon League.’’

by ThundaPC on Dec 23, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That pretty clearly sums it up

Morrow was not wanted here so he was traded for a necessary piece.

by TheTank123 on Dec 24, 2009 7:20 AM PST up reply actions  

There has to be a bettter way to get your point across

than referencing the servicing of a dead animal. You can get thrown in jail for that ya know.

by TheTank123 on Dec 24, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

His name screen name is Spider Jerusalem

he’s into that stuff.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 24, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I think you are incorrect

I think it is perfectly legal to service a dead dog.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 24, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Well it's sort of a grey area apparently

although in this case it is a deer and not man’s best friend.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 24, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

good to know

Seems like the logic is a little faulty. Assault seems like a strange thing to call it.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 24, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

The trade is a headscratcher, unless it's just a step to another trade.

Some GMs value a proven closer much higher than they need to. Aardsma/Lowe are now expendable and League can step right in there.

by Sinking Away on Dec 24, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

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