Morrow On the Move?
by Matthew on Dec 21, 2009 8:50 PM PST
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PrintUpdate 23:02 - Brandon League confirms he's flying to Seattle for a physical.
You know, I was rather looking forward to working on some stuff that's been piling up for some time now, but our GM just keeps making moves. The latest, so it is being talked about by Ken Rosenthal, is that Brandon Morrow is being shipped to Toronto in exchange for Brandon League and an unknown prospect.
Stay tuned for any word on the validity of this, any mention of the prospect involved and some analysis on Brandon League. It seems like an odd one, so try to avoid getting too worked up until we hear more and/or from another source.
League, a right-hander, enters his age 27 season in 2010 and his second (of four) arbitration years. He's a free agent after the 2012 season. Morrow, meanwhile, is under team control through 2013. Known for his velocity, League spent some time on the shelf in 2007 after a great year in '06. He split 2008 between Triple-A and Toronto and was solid and was with Toronto all of 2009, posting an outrageous 14.3% swinging strike rate and striking out nearly one-quarter of all batters faced.
League is also a significant ground baller, relying on his mid-to-high-90s sinker as almost his only weapon. He introduced a changeup/splitter this past season to solid success. If you need a quick comparable, Brandon League is basically a groundballing David Aardsma, with more velocity. He instantly becomes a fantastic set up option and a very useful part of the bullpen. Relievers are volatile of course.
Just for funsies, here's CHONE's projections:
League - 60IP, 53K, 21BB, 6HR, 3.78 FIP
Morrow - 63IP, 60K, 33BB, 6HR, 4.10 FIP
Obviously, CHONE discounts Morrow's potential as a starter.
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Wooo time for a bunch of pointless trade speculation!
Honestly I wouldn’t exactly mind getting one of the many Jay’s groundballing LHP Cecil or Rzepczynski.
I think it’s Brett Wallace if it’s Travis Snider though…
You got slurved!
No way you'd get Cecil or Rzepcynski
They are better than Morrow, by a lot.
by vivaelpujols on Dec 21, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm League is interesting
His K/9IP and BB/9IP fluctuates quite a bit.
In 09 he had a 9.16K/9IP and a 2.15BB/9IP against a 6.85Kper9 and a 3.25BBper9 career. In 08 though he posted a 4.09BB/9IP and a 6.27Kper9.
I assumed he was a heavy flyballer but he gets GB at a carerr rate at 62%.
He is a reliever though so meh…
You got slurved!
Gets even better.
Before 2009, he was primarily a fastball / slider pitcher. In 2009, though, he became a fastball / changeup pitcher.
His numbers improved remarkably. I don’t think this is a coincidence. League has apparently found out how to throw a major league changeup.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
And Matt beats me to it.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Possibilities are...
Since Jack Z would not trade Morrow for just a 0-1 WAR relief pitcher…
1) The prospect is someone REALLY good.
2) This rumor is false.
3) There are more players involved.
4) Zduriencik has been taken over by Bill Bavasi brain spiders.
I said 0-1 WAR looking at his seasons on fangraphs.
I see now that his IP were very low for all years prior to last year, which was the 1 WAR season.
So…a 1 WAR reliever.
Maybe this is a thanks for sending Halliday to Philadelphia
and therefore, the Phillies sending Lee to Seattle. Maybe there was a wink wink agreement with Toronto.
Speaking as a Brewer fan, and this might not be the case
But if Jack Z has a weakness, judging from the drafts that he had run for the Brewers, it was evaluating young pitchers. The only pitcher he drafted for MIL that (so far) has really worked out well was Yovani Gallardo. So it is possible that he might finally make a bad move because he does not judge young pitching well (pending the other prospect, of course).
Of course, maybe that was just a run of bad luck, and/or his advisers know more about young pitcher than he does. He did draft a lot of big-hit, no-field position players for us, too, which is kind of the opposite of what Seattle has going for it now.
No, he's physically trying to break Twitter
He’s on the way to their server farm with a hammer in his hand
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Dec 21, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I thought we already did.
It went down a couple of times during the Winter meetings and during the Lee trade.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
Updated CHONE info
Just for funsies, here’s CHONE’s projections:
League – 60IP, 53K, 21BB, 6HR, 3.78 FIP
Morrow – 63IP, 60K, 33BB, 6HR, 4.10 FIP
I dont believe the IP figure for Morrow there.
As a starter he should pitch a lot more than that. (I would expect his FIP to be higher as a starter as well)
Man, if this is true
I’m going to have to re-do the least liked poll…
by Matthew on Dec 21, 2009 9:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty much assuming we just traded Morrow for League and Wallace.
Because at this point, that would make perfect sense.
All Hail Zduriencik!
I've never heard
Steroid Sepculation surrounding Brandon League.
by chrisisasavage on Dec 21, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
I AM GOING TO OVERREACT BECAUSE IT IS FUN
GAHHHHH
by .Taylor on Dec 21, 2009 9:26 PM PST reply actions
A bullpen of Aardsma, Lowe, League, Kelley, White, and two other baseball players could be sexy
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Seems strange
Could Lowe/Aardsma fetch something that Morrow couldn’t? Morrow seems like the better trading piece, so trading Morrow for a reliever to open up Lowe/Aardsma for a trade seems bizarre. It certainly opens up the possibility though, but Z would have to be getting something in return that was useful.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Dec 21, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Best thing about League
A couple of years ago when the Jays also had a reliever named Bush, there were nights when the box score after the starter literally read:
BUSH
LEAGUE
by wandergeist on Dec 21, 2009 9:31 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Haha
I can’t believe “Z” would give away Morrow for League and a bum. I have really wanted the Indians to get Morrow for a little bit now and will be disappointed if that’s all Toronto gave up.
"I'm a baseball lifer. It's what I do." —Manny Acta
Thanks for dropping by!
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
Something was missing from his comment
I think it had to do with Milton Bradley
by Brian Floyd on Dec 21, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
(whoops almost forgot)
You’re lucky I remembered to use the subject line.
"I'm a baseball lifer. It's what I do." —Manny Acta
I think it's his assumption that the second player involved is a "bum".
Which is pretty much what the rest of us are waiting to find out.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Goddamnit I have to go to work in a half hour, couldn't this have waited till morning Jack?
I have a project to finish up on! I can’t be on the internets all damn night!
All Hail Zduriencik!
If it's League and Arencibia, you have to wonder if Lowe and/or Moore are
possibly heading out of town.
If that is indeed the deal Im quite puzzled.
The Arencibia rumors don't have any merit.
Just MLBTR.com forum speculation.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
The person who first speculated even said it was speculation
Dunno why people have run with it.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Dec 21, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
Naturally, the Jays getting d'Arnaud in the recent Halladay trade allows this person to be expendable.
However, I think people are underestimating Morrow’s value.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
Churchill's also heard it from 2 sources...
And he was spot on with the last big trade. Getting me a little worried. Hopefully he’s wrong.
See my sources just lie to me when they feel like it
by Graham MacAree on Dec 21, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
They could have kept me up to date in order to make me look less stupid
by Graham MacAree on Dec 21, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
Apparently his sources in Philly are much more well-placed.
Let’s hope.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Dec 21, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
The speculation that Churchill had friends in Gillick's regime has grown.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think that one's really speculation
by Graham MacAree on Dec 21, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
Meh. He's never come out and admitted it. Pretty much circumstantial without something solid.
Still, not worth arguing over. If it works for him and gets results, more power to him.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
Two names:
Rod Barajas.
Miguel Olivo.
That’s all you need to know.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
Stole my bit...
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
Is this a new meme I'm not familiar with.
If so, I’d like to keep it that way.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
No because EriKKKKKKKKK Bedard is number one in my heart
Well actually number 2 if you include Jesus but Jesus can’t throw a curveball like EriKKKKKKKKK so…
You got slurved!
by Slurvey on Dec 21, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Jesus is my friend.
"You're so beautiful. You could be a part-time model, but you'd probably still have to keep your normal job."
by nickmo on Dec 22, 2009 1:35 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Seems to be.
Unless Z likes the idea of Felix, Lee, Hyphen, Snell, and Fister / French / Vargas
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
I'm fine with this.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
Needs more "Not on the Astros."
Really couldn’t find a M’s pic?
by SethGrandpa on Dec 21, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions
An Expos pic would have been the "bee's knees".
Which means good in 1932 speak.
by Johnny Slick on Dec 21, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
No because no one really likes Morrow anymore and goodbye.
He’s a valuable trade piece, but I wouldn’t miss him if we gave him away, let alone traded for a useful reliever.
...and now I'm here
WHERE THE FUCK IS GEOFF BAKER WITH HIS BLUE JAYS SOURCES?!
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Dec 21, 2009 9:42 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I don't think we're getting Drabek.
He’s white.
by .Taylor on Dec 21, 2009 9:43 PM PST reply actions
Needs more Black face
fixed your post
by Poochie on Dec 21, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I do not possess photoshop and have never used photoshop in my life
So I do not think so
KILL IT WITH FIRE!
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Where is virbrating mini-Ronald McDonald?
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Dec 21, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
It's the Asian-looking eyes that do it.
They got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll’s eyes. When Morrow comes at ya, doesn’t seem to be living… until he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then… ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin’.
Jigsaw falling into place
by esoteric on Dec 21, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I bet Graham gets nightmares just from looking in the mirror.
(sorry Graham, I’ll just box myself and save you the trouble)
Jigsaw falling into place
In a gruff sort of way, I suppose.
I keep waiting for the warmth and love to shine through, and I keep getting disappointed.
Paradoxically, I admire him as the least humane of the mods. The way one might admire the ruthless efficiency of Stalin, for example.
Jigsaw falling into place
The way his eyes look, I'm getting a bit of a familiar vibe...
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Dec 21, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, I'm already changing my mind about him
All this time, I don’t think I ever really made the connection that Butthead is what he reminds me of
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Dec 21, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
I hope at some point our entire bullpen wears them for a game.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Dec 21, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
They really need to do RRS spectacle night
Free RRS-like glasses at the gate (they’d be cheap plastic knockoffs)
Its with a K
Eri…Krap
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 22, 2009 7:46 AM PST up reply actions
He mentioned during the Figgins conference that he didn't get much sleep at the Winter Meetings and had lots of coffee.
Maybe it’s still working.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
Not a lot of reporters are paying much attention at 10 PM.
Drayer retweeted it but besides that haven’t heard from anyone.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Dec 21, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
Well after the Cliff Lee three way, I'm more inclined to pay attention to what he says.
All Hail Zduriencik!
There were more than a few people on Primer calling Rosenthal out for "just making shit up" when he floated the Lee/Halladay rumors...
….funny thing is, I still think he was shooting in the dark with that one. Wait that makes no sense.
Jigsaw falling into place
He floated them as an idea as opposed to a rumor.
So those people who called him out for making up shit were right.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Dec 21, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
That'd be a really fucking fun game to play if you're Rosenthal
Tweet some specious bullshit and watch the Mariner webdom go into convulsions.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 22, 2009 7:47 AM PST up reply actions
I sometimes suspect that the reason Jack makes some trades is that he's bored of people talking about certain players.
(Jeff Clement joke by Fogel to follow)
by Graham MacAree on Dec 21, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
Who's been talking about Brandon Morrow?
Seems like he’s been something of an afterthought these days.
Jigsaw falling into place
I was less pissed about the Manuel trade and more about just letting him get snagged in the offseason.
Apparently Jack just really didn’t want Wlad around. Or what Graham says.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Best line from Rosenthal.
“From the Mariners’ perspective, the prospect could be the key to the deal.”
I love shit like this.
Rosenthal: “I know Morrow and League have been traded but I don’t know anything else and THAT’S IMPORTANT!”
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Ah I see it is a clue
perhaps the prospect’s name pertains to a key
by .Taylor on Dec 21, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm a little rusty on foreign languages, but I'm almost positive that Arincibia means "keyhole" in Russian
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Jimmy Key retired a long time ago.
So that rules him out.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
If we get Travis Snider I'll have to wait for Jeff to tell me if I like him or not
by royalcurve on Dec 21, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
wait what
Holmgren would have drafted Crabtree.
by Fearless Frog on Dec 21, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
I went to middle school with Travis Snider.
He threw me into a dumpster once.
Did you deserve it?
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Dec 21, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
Did you walk too close to him? Or look up from your shoes as you walked down the hall?
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Dec 21, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Did the Simpsons ever stop being funny, or just get less funny?
I ask this sincerely. I’ve missed whole seasons, but every time I watch I laugh.
In fairness from all accounts he's mellowed out and is a pretty nice guy
but I still hate him.
Dude threw you in a dumpster
You can hate him forever.
Travis Lee was awesome and played catch with me in middle school.
Travis Lee sucked. Since Travis Snider is an asshole he must be good.
by Aaron Campeau on Dec 21, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Dale Murphy helped a friend of mine get clean off of drugs AND get his life in order
Still: not a hall of famer. Sorry Dale. Next life around, try being a better ballplayer than human being and see how it works out.
Jigsaw falling into place
Wow, this actually blows. Sorry dude.
I still want him on the team though.
...and now I'm here
Well
James Robbins accidentally knocked the wind out of me at a little league all stars practice.
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I live in the same country as Stephen Strasburg
by .Taylor on Dec 21, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My High schol baseball coach was aaron seles catcher
by Marinerfanjake on Dec 21, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
My select baseball coach was Carlos Guillen's personal trainer
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He's not fast anymore
he’s huge and doesn’t do anything except yell or make fun of us
by Marinerfanjake on Dec 22, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
Not surprising
He had the physique where you knew he was going to wind up 300+ pounds. But he was a damn good athlete back in high school. Probably a douche too… but I didn’t know him very well.
You think I would have mentioned John Stockton but fuck the NBA
by Poochie on Dec 21, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Could you erm...
Enlighten me as to what that picture is all about?
How weird
I am literally watching this movie right now
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Dec 21, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
I grew up next door to current Jets 3rd-string QB Erik Ainge.
So there.
"You're so beautiful. You could be a part-time model, but you'd probably still have to keep your normal job."
I went to high school with Brandon Roy
by seattlebruin on Dec 21, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
Therefore, your high school sucks, Taylor
by seattlebruin on Dec 21, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
Rainn Wilson went to my high school
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Fun fact.
My great-great-great-great-great-grandfather was Franklin’s executor.
I don’t think he did acid, though.
You know our video flat out beat the shit out of yours
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I had nothing to do with the video
seeing as I graduated two years ago, and I really don’t give a shit. But I give props for creativity for both schools, and you guys certainly did it first. Yay!
I was in ours so it's a very personal subject for me.
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That's awesome.
Seriously. (I’m just tired of friends still in HS being all “ZOMG WE WERE SO MUCH BETTER” about it.)
I was joking I don't give a shit about my school's pride.
I was in it though.
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Well in that case
Um, some fishermen on a TV show went to my high school probably long before I was born! And a kid plays for FC Dallas.
Yeah well Quincy Jones went to my high school.
It’s clear that your high school is the one that sucks
by .Taylor on Dec 21, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
Nancy Wilson went to Interlake!
Along with Queensryche!
by Johnny Slick on Dec 21, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
My mom went to school with Ann Wilson.
She lived out in the area that was zoned for Interlake before Interlake opened. I guess I’m wrong about Nancy.
by Johnny Slick on Dec 21, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
I hit a game winning jumper in that gym
Best thing that ever happened there.
Hey me too.
I was 2 years ahead of him though so I never got thrown into a dumpster. I’ve heard from friends though that he was a total douche at Jackson.
You should treat this like the big dude in Happy Gillmore.
“Hey Mr. Snider. Sorry about being a band nerd around you in middle school. It was clearly my fault!”
Then go beat up “Shooter” McGavin.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
You could go to a game and wave a sign angrily.
You know, to get revenge.
by .Taylor on Dec 21, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
By the by, I threw Jeremy Bonderman out of a game once for arguing balls and strikes with me.
I was wrong, btw. A parent took a video of it and showed me after the game. Sorry Jeremy.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
I got about 20 AB against Bobby Jenks during HS and Legion.
Not a very smart dude. At all. Struck me out a lot, though.
by Manzanillos Cup on Dec 21, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
I guess if we're doing this I played basketball against Nate Robinson and Jamelle McMillan
Fun fact – Jamelle McMillan is not actually very good
Truth be told I wish him the best.
Poor guy went through a really rough patch when his mom died.
Best I've got is some chump named Tim Lincecum
Somewhere there is a video of him drunk and falling down a staircase at the age of 17
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Dec 21, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
Bucky O'Brien.
Star of the division-leading HS basketball team, coat-tailed it into Seattle U (son of Eddie O’Brien) actually got drafted by the Sonics, never played.
Well after the Bradley trade, lets just guess the player is the opposite of what Graham thinks.
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Dec 21, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
Penguins have a gland above their eyes that converts seawater to freshwater.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Dec 21, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 14 recs
Alan Thicke also hosted a late-night television show called "Thicke Of The Night"
That has since become legendary in its badness.
Jigsaw falling into place
I didn't really watch much of it.
I just find it startling that Belzer & Ducommun were on the show. Of course, to me, Ducommun is still that 2nd banana from ZigZag.
Diff'rent Strokes!
I remember that show!
Holmgren would have drafted Crabtree.
by Fearless Frog on Dec 21, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know if the trade is at that point yet, but well done sir.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
If I woulda told the one about Cereal being most afraid of Serial Killers...
…I woulda been boxed by now.
Man, remember when Brandon Morrow posted a diary here on LL to tell us not to make fun of diabetes?
We sure had some crazy times.
Jigsaw falling into place
wait what
Holmgren would have drafted Crabtree.
by Fearless Frog on Dec 21, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
I felt so guilty that I stopped mocking those anemic, constantly-exhausted sugar vampires...
…for almost an hour afterwards.
Jigsaw falling into place
Hahaha oh my god
That was fake right?
Holmgren would have drafted Crabtree.
by Fearless Frog on Dec 21, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not buying it.
Not with the clowns that run this place.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
I am so glad I read through the comments.
My head hurts from the laughter
Holmgren would have drafted Crabtree.
by Fearless Frog on Dec 21, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
This an absurdly stupid time for Rosenthal to post this
Now I won’t sleep all night, but won’t get any new information on this and then by the time I wake up tomorrow, I’ll have 1,000+ comments to go through to find out what happened.
It's on the "official" Mariners website now.
The only important thing in it is that a Mariners official declined to comment. Great work there fellas.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 10:18 PM PST reply actions
All Baker says is Morrow has gotten calls from friends but not the Ms or Jays
Well, that isn’t any help
How cold of you.
I, for one, am relieved to hear that Brandon Morrow has friends.
by Matthew on Dec 21, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, that's the detail that makes me think this is all a big hoax.
Brandon Morrow has friends? Doubtful.
Jigsaw falling into place
by esoteric on Dec 21, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm cutting the guy some slack.
He was probably in his PJs and ready for a good night’s sleep when Jack fucked his world up.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Morrow's had to know that he was on the block this winter.
Still, finding out right before Christmas, at 10:00 PM? Yeah, pretty crappy.
Jigsaw falling into place
Do they even have Christmas in Canada?
Is it at a different time of the year? Will Brandon Morrow miss out on presents? And what the fuck is a Boxing Day?
Boxing day is the day after Christmas in Canada
It’s when the Canadians box up their used toys, clothes etc. and give them to the needy.
Jesus Christ Jack, give us a breather!
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
Perhaps things will become clearer when I tell you that the PTBNL is Vernon Wells?
Jigsaw falling into place
You are uptight about our gay and lesbian friends, babe
by royalcurve on Dec 21, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
x
ussmariner If only Seattle had a reporter who’d covered the Blue Jays for a long time and had connections, and could run down this story. Oh well. 7 minutes ago from web
Anoother Gateway Guardian!
This one is actually a nice guy though.
Not really.
I grew up with Brent’s younger twin brothers. Turns out Brent is also an ass.
At least he was about nine years twelve years ago.
He’s probably grown up since.
Well that's an odd comment.
Nine years ago or so he was playing for the UW baseball team. Twelve years ago he’d visit the elementary school I was in as part of mentoring program the local high school was involved with.
9 years ago he'd be like 17.
I don’t think he was playing for UW then.
At some point when I was in middle school I know he was at the UW.
I remember watching him on television one day during band class.
Well you must be quite a bit younger than me.
He graduated in 2002.
Side note: Is Mr. Lutherans still the band instructor?
Nope
He married that math teacher (can’t remember her name right now but I had her for pre-algebra in 7th grade). I guess her name’s Mrs. Lutthans now. They got married at the Cinerama in Seattle and had the wedding reception at Jazz Alley. They invited the whole band to go. Looking back on it, that was really weird. Anyways, mow they’re both running a tutoring business nearby.
Jesus, what's with all the ballplayers? Did you go to some sort of high school for genetically-engineered supermen?
And if so, that begs the question: why did YOU wash out then, huh punk?
Jigsaw falling into place
Fuck you and your so-called "formal logic."
It “begs the question” in a colloquial sense, dammit. And that’s good enough for me.
Jigsaw falling into place
Is it really a brawl if one of us spends most of the time curled up in a ball on the floor crying for mercy?
And, of course, by “one of us” I mean Graham.
Jigsaw falling into place
Haha, I'm talking about a middle school.
I don’t know if BrianL has a problem with Brent, he’s a nice kid.
Travis I didn’t know as well. I am friends with his older sister though.
It is weird hearing about all of these people like this.
I was the same year as Brent’s brother Kyle. Didn’t know Snyder very well. But his reputation was that of a total doucher.
Alright, reporters have until 11 to get the prospect's name, then it's bedtime
This could be the Jeff Clement trade all over again, hear about it the night before but don’t know the details til the next day.
by ManifestDestiny on Dec 21, 2009 10:31 PM PST reply actions
Just got this tweet from Divish
I don’t know that we’re going to have it before your bedtime.
Welp time to go to bed
by ManifestDestiny on Dec 21, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
USS Mariner servers struggling.
Jesus folks is up late.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 10:46 PM PST reply actions
I followed his advice
I’m refreshing the fuck out of his twitter list
by Brian Floyd on Dec 21, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
This move is clearly evidence of Jack Zduriencik regressing back to the mean.
by .Taylor on Dec 21, 2009 10:47 PM PST reply actions
Absolutely nothing.
Only rule is that a newly-signed FA can’t be traded without his permission until midseason or so.
(But wait, what about Arroyo? Didn’t the Sox sign him to a below-market deal then immediately flip him? I must be misremembering something here.)
Jigsaw falling into place
Juan Cruz was signed then traded last offseason.
But it was allowed by league because no team was willing to sign him as he had type-A status.
We still don't know who the prospect is yet.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
New Baker post
Brandon Morrow to Florida to take a physical for Toronto. League to Seattle for one
Still dont know the prospect. Damnit
Well if this is it
thanks for fucking him up Hargrove and Bavasi.
Zach Stewart?
Completely unsubstantiated claim made by a Jays fan on the MLB.com forums. Trying to get a source if any.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 11:00 PM PST reply actions
That'd be pretty nice.
But I doubt it’s him. They got him in the Scott Rolen deal.
If there was ever a pitcher who would make you doubt the link between LD% and BABIP
it’s Brandon “Ground ball single up the middle” League.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
Was just about to post his Twitter update.
Looks like this is going down.
I'm not sure that I do
I’m afraid it’ll make me really dislike this trade. I was hoping for a Mat Gamel or something for Morrow.
"Okay Jack, just reach into this hat here and pull out a name..."
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
Jack: "Yep, it's Brett Wallace"
Alex: “Are you sure?”
Jack: “Yep, definitely, can’t fuck with faith.”
STOP THAT!
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
BLATHERING BLATHERSKITE!
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
Never heard of him.
Can he hit?
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 22, 2009 7:58 AM PST up reply actions
This will be fun.
Every time I hear the word League, I think of Question? and I smile. If that’s not enough to bring him to Seattle I don’t know what is.
...and now I'm here
Geoff said it won't be Brett Wallace
...and now I'm here
Well poo.
Baker Says:
We’ll find out soon enough who the mystery prospect is that Seattle is also getting in the deal. I’m told it won’t be Brett Wallace, the third baseman acquired from Oakland for prospect Michael Taylor in the whole Cliff Lee-Roy Halladay swap. The Blue Jays originally drafted Wallace and had been after him for a while.
BrianL can testify to his throwing ability!
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
You're supposed to be looking back on that moment and laughing by this point in your life.
Or putting on women’s clothing and finding good sniping locations around SafeCo.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
Given the options, at least
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Dec 21, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
Well, not Brett Wallace means it could be all of the others.
d’Arnaud? Drabek? Snider? Stewart? Hoo hah!
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
He was confused.
Actually, we got Mitch Williams.
by Johnny Slick on Dec 21, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
Not just any miracle! A Christmas miracle!
MERRY CHRISTMAS MOVIE HOUSE! MERRY CHRISTMAS EMPORIUM!
by Johnny Slick on Dec 21, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
MERRY CHRISTMAS BAILEY BUILDING AND LOAN
You old hound dog you!
by Johnny Slick on Dec 21, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
I've seen that movie a thousand times and I'm drawing blanks.
All I’ve got is Jimmy Stewart running down the street with his voice cracking.
If the prospect isn't named up top...
…I doubt it’s that good or higher than A ball.
Uh oh, it appears Brandon League is a hot head
Here’s some evidence. With his history, there’s no doubt he’ll tear apart this clubhouse as he has every where he’s gone.
Also, I found some rare footage of League discussing what I can only imagine his part in an upcoming amateur film based upon the dialogue.
Jack is getting us wallace snider and a backup AA infielder
the infielder to provide depth
by Marinerfanjake on Dec 21, 2009 11:31 PM PST reply actions
Some Toronto Board is saying David Cooper
He appears to be a 1b prospect?
Bluebird Banter wrote this about him a month ago:
David Cooper. In just his second year of pro ball he was moved up to Double-A New Hampshire. It didn’t go well, .258/.340/.389. I would think they will start him at Double-A again and hope he moves up quick. He is just 22 and just 2 years removed from college ball, so there is time to right the ship, but I’d expect he’ll be dropped several spots down on our next list. Can’t write off a guy at his age though.
He is also a lefty.
Though I'm betting that's just rosterbation
I would absolutely believe this.
...and now I'm here
Yeah they said
Mariners beat writer on twitter said it’s David Cooper and Brandon League
Makes sense, we got Brett Wallace, no room for Cooper
That being said, I can’t find what beat writer they’re talking about.
Okay, well that part I don't believe.
http://twitter.com/d_a_cameron/mariner-writers/ <— none of these guys saidshit, that guy’s just making it up.
Still, yet again, that’s exactly the player I would assume we get.
...and now I'm here
He's currently a free agent so it seems really unlikely
I’ll have to try and get a hold of him to be sure though.
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Then I guess Morrow is now your Dad.
Sucks to be you, bro.
Oh I know, it's not likely they know any more than we do
But the skillset and position seem to make sense.
Thank you Jack Z
The lasting memory of what shouldve been lincecum is purged from our memories. Every 1st rd pick between 2004-2007 traded away. Start fresh, a new era in M’s baseball has started. The teal attack is back! Bring on 2010 , ya dig!
Baseball America rated him as 4th best in Jays system
he’s the best hitter for average and their future 1st baseman
by Marinerfanjake on Dec 21, 2009 11:38 PM PST reply actions
Wait I read your name is MagicMike
Sorry, forgive the sarcasm.
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo, Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
But MagicMike is Attractive Nuisance.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe you should just stop posting
probably best
by Marinerfanjake on Dec 21, 2009 11:41 PM PST reply actions
This will go well.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 21, 2009 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, guess what
There’s a reply button for a reason. Maybe you should just stop posting. Probably best.
...and now I'm here
I talked to someone who lived in Toronto for ten months a while ago and she said we're getting League and Adam Lind
But I don’t know if I trust the source.
I'm assuming we didn't get Snider or Wallace.
Looking at every Toronto Board I can come across the 3 names that constantly are being thrown around are:
Scott Campbell, a good defensive 2b who bats lefty.
David Cooper, a 1b who bats lefty
and JP Arencibia, a catcher.
http://www.battersbox.ca/article.php?story=20080914202531174
is the scouting report I found on the 3.
Do any of them, you know, actually cite anybody?
Or is this Canuckistani rosterbation?
by Johnny Slick on Dec 21, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
Canuckistani rosterbation
would be a great name for a noise rock band.
by Johnny Slick on Dec 21, 2009 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
Boards are not a good place to find information
None of them have anything that a beat writer wouldn’t have.
...and now I'm here
I hope Campbell
but only because he is from New Zealand (like me)
Keep mentioning names, people!
We have not listed everyone in the Blue Jays’ minor league system yet!
Remember how that move was supposed to be, like, the worst move EVAR?
…and then Jose Cruz Jr. turned out to kind of suck? Granted, not as bad as Paul Spoljaric.
by Johnny Slick on Dec 21, 2009 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
Im cool for bringing back the entire Newsradio cast.
As long as Zombie Phil Hartman is included.
Even Joe Rogan?
If you think Milton Bradley is a cancer…
by Johnny Slick on Dec 22, 2009 2:29 AM PST up reply actions
YOU MAY TAKE AWAY MY FORMER FIRST ROUND PICK WHO WANTED TO BE A CLOSER DUE TO HIS DIABEETUS
BUT YOU WILL NEVER TAKE MY FREEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOM
by Johnny Slick on Dec 21, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I really want Tim Collins.
Dude is a 5’7 pitcher that throws like 93
...and now I'm here
No word yet on his mashing skills.
...and now I'm here
I go by Fangraphs.
It says 5’11. If we get 5’6 Collins we’ll know for sure because they’ll stand next to each other.
...and now I'm here
Though if Snell is really sub 5'8 that explains quite a bit.
...and now I'm here
From Drayer, just after the trade:
“[Snell] also gave the best and most unexpected answer to the “what was it like to walk into a new clubhouse” question.
“It’s a little intimidating. A lot of these guys are taller than me, bigger than me. They are a fun group of guys. Laid back though. They joke around a lot with Griffey here of course. It looks like a good group.”
Okay, so maybe the “a lot of these guys are taller than me” comment gave him points in my book. I can identify. He is clearly aware that he is the little guy. He is not the 5’11 he is listed in the media guide."
5'11 is still small for a baseball player
but I know not either way. Still, 5’6 as the known height for that one kid is still cool.
...and now I'm here
Collins is 5'6 rounded up
...and now I'm here
This is why I have always loved Billy Wagner.
It’s so amazing that that goofy looking short guy short-armed 100 mph
by Manzanillos Cup on Dec 22, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
Steve Dalkowski was about the same height as Wagner.
You don’t necessarily need to be tall to throw hard.
by I Lick Squirrels on Dec 22, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
This prospect better be good.
Not really understanding the deal otherwise.
Jack second bad trade? Hopefully not.
He’s had plenty of great ones.
Although that was more unexciting (to me at least) than bad.
by Aaron Campeau on Dec 21, 2009 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
It was, as vivaelpujols says below, average.
SS is a tough position to trade for though, and I don’t have any huge complaints. It’s just the only one I can find any fault with.
by Aaron Campeau on Dec 22, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
Right.
After four years of Bavasi, it’s hard to call anything by JZ so far “terrible”. I do think that we gave up too much for Wilson + Snell though.
by Johnny Slick on Dec 22, 2009 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
Halfrican?
"You're so beautiful. You could be a part-time model, but you'd probably still have to keep your normal job."
by nickmo on Dec 22, 2009 1:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The bad one I was thinking of was Wladimir Balentien for someone that we have since cut.
I am thinking of the deal for Wilson/Snell as as yet indetermined whether or not it is good.
In fairness, Balentien was awful.
And everybody in the league knew it.
by Johnny Slick on Dec 22, 2009 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
Who is this prospect? Is this a potential 3 or 4 way with which teams?
I LOVE GMZ.
Tomorrow we will know.
Yeah tomorrow we'll know.
I Love GMZ too, last two deals have been awesome.
Not sure about this one though. We still dont even know who the prospect it – we cant tell if this is good, bad, or even until we know that.
We can trust that it is good.
Based on history. we can trust that this is good.
by TrustBaseball on Dec 22, 2009 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
Now I feel guilty.
There has to be more to this, unless the "prospect" is someone like Brett Wallace, who could step in and fill the gap at first base.
by Johnny Slick on Dec 22, 2009 12:16 AM PST up reply actions
It was exactly the same!
Just plus a couple more words.
by Johnny Slick on Dec 22, 2009 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
I believe the chronology was:
That better be one hell of a prospect. RT @Ken_Rosenthal: SEA has reached agreement to trade Morrow to TOR for B. League and prospect.
First thought – if Rosenthal is right, perhaps the prospect is Brett Wallace – patient LH first baseman, fits the Jack Z mold of hitter.
Just speculating on Wallace, people. No inside info here.
Okay, again, Brett Wallace was just first reaction – I’m not claiming it is, or should be, or that Toronto would do that.
If it makes you feel any better, I very nearly miskeyed his name as Ben Wallace.
So in addition to not being funny, I am kind of stupid.
by Johnny Slick on Dec 22, 2009 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
"Like" doesn't cut it it. It must be Wallace.
And I found nothing on USSM that said it was.
by TrustBaseball on Dec 22, 2009 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry.
I thought it was obvious what I was doing but in retrospect I guess it was not.
by Johnny Slick on Dec 22, 2009 6:14 AM PST up reply actions
I HATE GIVING UP A GUY WITH THIS MUCH POTENTIAL
But Jack has done no wrong and… uh oh. In Portland we have a guy named Kevin Pritchard and could do no wrong. He built a franchise into a dynasty but was too dumb to get rid of the worst coach in the league (Mr. Sonic) and now he’s traded away all these great players and every bloody one of em is kicking ass elsewhere and we still have a coach that can’t.
Point? I am wary of perfection.
Still, I’m not in the club house so what do I really know.
Bring back Bedard and that first baseman guy who kicked ass last year.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled fanpost.
by Emperor_Doom on Dec 22, 2009 12:48 AM PST reply actions
Bedard is broken and Branyan has a bad back.
Hopefully neither one is coming back.
by TrustBaseball on Dec 22, 2009 1:30 AM PST up reply actions
To ask a question relevant to the proceedings, can anyone give me a technical definition of the term "challenge trade?"
Jigsaw falling into place
I don't think a technical definition exists.
But it’s when a team makes a one-to-one trade for a guy who plays the same position as the guy they just traded. I can’t actually think of any moves like this off the top of my head; they’re bound to be exceedingly rare because in the best case scenario you find value in a player the other guy doesn’t, the trade works out very well for you, and then no GM will talk to you anymore.
by Johnny Slick on Dec 22, 2009 12:57 AM PST up reply actions
Us M's fans are crazy.
A breakdown of the trade discussion at the time of this post:
Lookout Landing: 2 front page stories with 832 comments.
Bluebird Banter: 1 fanpost with 7 comments
Sure they’re asleep…but still…
It's 4 am over there.
And, additionally, we have probably the most active internet presence in baseball and have seen a spate of trades lately so…
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Dec 22, 2009 1:11 AM PST up reply actions
Not an excuse...
Its almost 5am here. Just got done watching Gremlins 2. Not as good as the first, but the talking Gremlin is awesome.
I had a dream last night that we had traded Morrow ... and we have done?!
I can only assume that I woke up in the night and looked at twitter on my phone but have no memory of it, because that is just freaky.
I'd rather not wait until morning, it's Wallace right?
Please say it’s Wallace.
by TrustBaseball on Dec 22, 2009 1:53 AM PST up reply actions
I did the same with Milton Bradley.
was on a trip for several days when it happened, dreamed I checked LL and we traded Silva for Bradley, forgot about it until I got home a couple days later and discovered it was true.
by Terminator X on Dec 22, 2009 1:52 AM PST up reply actions
Whoa
Perhaps Z being Psychic is the answer. No? Maybe he used his evil Mind Control power to get Lee and Bradley. I’m guessing he hasn’t straight up raided the other teams to avoid getting figured out.
by chrisisasavage on Dec 22, 2009 3:07 AM PST up reply actions
More likely Term X read USSM when it discussed the rumor days earlier and then had a dream about it coming true.
But sure!
...and now I'm here
This is all crazy
I doubt we get Wallace or Snyder. I think a starting pitcher (unproven but might fit in rotation) might be more likely. Maybe we get lucky and they give us Wallace but that’d be pretty surprising.
I’m afraid of what is going to happen.
When i say this is all crazy
I mean this offseason is crazy.
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 22, 2009 2:10 AM PST up reply actions
I assume the prospect
is some lottery-ticket hitter in A-ball with a 10% chance of putting things together and becoming a cheap slugger for 6 years in the Majors, and a 90% of letting strikeouts eat him alive in AA two years from now.
Oh, and I wouldn't get too excited about this deal happening
I’m pretty sure Morrow’s gonna fail his physical.
I have it on inside sources that he’s diabetic.
by craig3410 on Dec 22, 2009 2:12 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Wow
“The Jays, who recently traded ace right-hander Roy Halladay to the Phillies, could use Morrow as a starter or as a closer.”
I think I’d really start to feel bad for him if they wanted to use him as a closer
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Brett Cecil, Brad Mills...
Not bad. Unless there’s something I don’t know about them, they should be pretty good pitchers if that’s the case.
...and now I'm here
I'm hoping Rzepcynski
But that may be only due to his name.
by Mariner John on Dec 22, 2009 3:00 AM PST up reply actions
My reaction is the exact opposite.
No way I’m spelling that correctly, ever. Neither are you. It’s Marc Rzepczynski.
Fun fact!
The ONLY anagram of Marc Rzepczynski is “Snazzy Crimp Reck.” No other anagram is possible, not even with an unlimited number of words.
...and now I'm here
I am ABSOLUTELY content just calling him "Snazzy" if we get him.
...and now I'm here
I was close.
We all learned to spell Zduriencik didn’t we? Polish names amuse me for some reason.
by Mariner John on Dec 22, 2009 3:29 AM PST up reply actions
I am unconvinced that I'd be able to spell it correctly.
I still have problems with the word rhythm, and the “pczynsk” in the middle of that name would screw with my like no one’s business. Here’s to Mills or Cecil.
...and now I'm here
ALL-POLISH/ALL-EYECHART TEAM:
P. Mike Rzepczynski
P: Al Hrabosky
C: A.J. Pierzynski
1B: Doug Mientkiewicz
Help me out here, folk…
Jigsaw falling into place
ALL-POLISH/EYECHART TEAM UPDATE:
P. Mike Rzepczynski
C: A.J. Pierzynski
1B: Doug Mientkiewicz
2B: Mark Grudzielanek (only because Mazeroski is easier to spell)
SS: ?
3B: Ray Jablonski
OF: Tom Paciorek
OF: Carl Yastrzemski
OF: ?
I’m looking for really unpronounceable/unspellable names for the team.
Jigsaw falling into place
So SS Tony Kubek doesn't work for you?
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 22, 2009 6:21 AM PST up reply actions
Ooh, thanks. I'll take him.
Too easy to spell & pronounce, but Polish SS talent is thin on the ground. Believe me, I googled for awhile.
Jigsaw falling into place
How do you pronounce that guy anyway?
Zeh-PIN-ski?
I think I remember it being Rep-Chin-Ski
When he pitched against us last year..
by seattlesundevil on Dec 22, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
No way in hell we get Cecil
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by lailaihei on Dec 22, 2009 3:14 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Why not?
All three of those pitchers are essentially the same player.
...and now I'm here
Cecil is leagues better than Morrow.
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by lailaihei on Dec 22, 2009 3:23 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
How many leagues better?
Is he Brandon Leagues better?
Brett Cecil isn’t that different than the other two pitchers. I don’t see how he’d stand out but the other two would be on the table. Which is what I assume you’re implying, otherwise I’m guessing you would have said “No way in hell we get Cecil, Mills or Snazzy.”
...and now I'm here
Fortunately, that prospect is...
Bobby Zamora!
This really screws Fulham over but hey, the Sounders are going to be AWSUM this year!!!
by Johnny Slick on Dec 22, 2009 5:22 AM PST up reply actions
3 names make sense
Snyder, Dopirak, Rzepczynski. Snyder is young with power and upside from the left. Rzepczynski fits the park, and has shown some ability (he is already better than Vargas and younger). Dopirak is a stretch, has good hitting stats, but is right handed, and listed as 1b/DH, which tells me his defense is not up to par. Dopirak is also 26. I hope it’s Rzepczynski. If nothing else we just picked up our lefty reliever,but he looks a lot like Nick Hill, with less control, and a quicker rise to the majors. Kid also made 11 starts at the big league level, and didn’t look bad there.
I'm expecting this to be an overpay.
Something similar to what we gave up for Jack Wilson and Ian Snell. Not hearing about the prospect by now is setting us up for a disappointment.
Dave just tweeted he is hearing Zach Stewart as a possibility..
Stewart is certainly intriguing. Went from High-A all the way to AAA last season.
by seattlesundevil on Dec 22, 2009 7:11 AM PST up reply actions
Stewart would be a pretty nice return for us
I like him a lot
by Graham MacAree on Dec 22, 2009 7:17 AM PST up reply actions
Doubtful
If he’s in the majors this year it’s as a bullpen arm
by Graham MacAree on Dec 22, 2009 7:27 AM PST up reply actions
Depends on how he develops, I guess
He’s got a good but inconsistent slider and an ok but inconsistent change to go along with his ‘my god that’s unfair’ sinker, so there’s definitely starter potential in there. But if secondary pitches don’t improve he’s probably a bullpen guy. He’d instantly be our top pitching prospect though
by Graham MacAree on Dec 22, 2009 7:42 AM PST up reply actions
So...he's Morrow?
Not in terms of repertoire, but in terms of potential?
by Aaron Campeau on Dec 22, 2009 7:56 AM PST up reply actions
Basically. Think he's a little better though since I'm not seeing anything about hilarious command issues
by Graham MacAree on Dec 22, 2009 8:00 AM PST up reply actions
So Morrow=Slightly better Morrow down the road +good reliever.
Sounds good to me.
All Hail Zduriencik!
This would make a whole hell of a lot more sense now
Hopefully it’s true.
Not fucked in the head Morrow!
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 22, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
Dave's tweet just made it to the MLBTR front page.
Dave Cameron tweets that pitching prospect Zach Stewart could be headed to the Mariners
“Hearing the name Zach Stewart”
I heard this name too last night, among several others.
They linked Matthew's "We Get It" post the other day.
I feel like we owe them a thank you note.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 22, 2009 8:04 AM PST up reply actions
Haha I like he other tweet about the Vazquez trade
“For people ripping this trade for Atlanta – Braves got significantly more for Vazquez than Phillies did for Lee.”
Wrong on so many levels.
You guys are crazy.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
From the USSM comment section
Just heard from a source close to Brandon Morrow that Lyle Overbay is in the deal. He doesn’t fit the "prospect" tag that Rosenthal gave the second player coming back to Seattle, but it makes some sense. Overbay is a .360-.370 on-base guy, LH hitter who might hit 20-25 HRs playing at Safeco and he’s only signed through 2010, leaving the M’s open to explore deals for Gonzalez or Fielder (or a free agent 1B) next winter.
I’d expect we’ll have full details on all the players involved in the trade in the next few hours.
Overbay at $7M is too expensive for the Mariners.
Hmmm
by Graham MacAree on Dec 22, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
How far over budget would that be?
Couple million? That seems paltry given the magic JZ has worked with this team. I wouldn’t discount it based on that alone. The fact that the Jays would give up League and Overbay for Morrow seems questionable to me. Besides, everyone is saying prospect.
Also,
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 22, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
Don't forget that League is going to cost a couple million too
by Graham MacAree on Dec 22, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
Oh right.
Well, whatever. The comments section at USSM is a mixed bag. I’ll wait till I hear it from a more reputable source, like MLBTR.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 22, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
There's only so much you can do
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 22, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
It makes tons of sense really.
We fill our 1B hole for next year and add a nice bullpen arm for a guy who frustrated the front office and coaching staff both last year.
But it is also true that what we had been hearing before was they wanted to use Morrow to get a 1B
They tried for Gamel and were denied. Overbay makes sense, at this point its just budget issues, you know?
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 22, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
My guess is the 'I want to be a closer/I want to be a starter' stuff
pissed Zduriencik off quite a bit. Not entirely Morrow’s fault, but nevertheless.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 22, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
How would Morrow know anything about that?
I don’t mean to be hostile, just it is unusual for players, especially team-controlled players, to know the details of any deals before they are official. But Morrow for Overbay plus a solid reliever would mean that Zduriencik has pretty much built a contender out of Bavasi’s M’s in 15 months.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 22, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
I suspect his "source" is from the Buster Olney article that is referenced on PI.com
It says
“The major work of the Jays’ offseason is now completed, although there will be more tinkering, with the Jays trying to get young players for their veterans, like Brandon League, who is being traded for Brandon Morrow, and Lyle Overbay.”
And some people aren’t great at reading comprehension.
Comment #52 on ProspectInsider brought the quote to the conversation.
by seattlesundevil on Dec 22, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
Well nevermind then...
I certainly wouldn’t mind.. except the money part. But it would also go directly against what Rosenthal was just saying on Foxsports that the final player is, in fact, a minor leaguer.
by seattlesundevil on Dec 22, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
From Fox Sports
Catcher Brian Jeroloman was among the names discussed, the source said, but it’s not clear if he was ultimately included in the trade.
by Attractive Nuisance on Dec 22, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
Don't know much (anything) about him.. But his AA stat line makes me hate him already.
by seattlesundevil on Dec 22, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
He fell off a cliff after being promoted to AAA in 2008.
Wonder what on earth happened
by Graham MacAree on Dec 22, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
So we still dont know who the prospect is?
Are you kidding me?
I have to think that perhaps they're still negotiating
The’ve probably got it narrowed down enough that they wanted to send the ML guys off for physicals so they could finish it quickly, but are still haggling over the final pieces.
It is a PTNBL
Christmas is ruined.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 22, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah I wish I had just heard of it right now,
Instead of obsessing over it for 3 hours last night, and waking up and having it still be unclear.
He likes Fields!
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 22, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
Jeroloman
No way. Dude had hip surgery this off season. Same boat as RJohnson.
So are we even sure that Morrow got traded yet?
ESPN isn’t saying anything else about a rumored deal, and they usually at least have a quick and dirty rumor post up this far into something like this
They don't have time to talk about this deal, the Yankees made a trade.
Also, why else would the players be taking physicals?
by BrettJMiller on Dec 22, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
Jeroloman
Plus he looks like Boonies ugly cousin.
He looks like he has progeria
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 22, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
After looking at this thread
I’m guessing it’s a good thing I’m just learning of this deal
IMHO this isn’t gonna be a big 2010 move, They had lost faith in morrow being a solid starter and Z basically pulled a reliever for reliever swap while getting an extra prospect too. I expect this to be a precursor to us signing a number 3 starter (Sheets? Johnson?)
Also, Josh Fields may want to start packing his luggage.
Worth noting that Z signed Fields?
He had a choice.
by Attractive Nuisance on Dec 22, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Wallace and Snider arent' going anywhere
are you serious? YOur GM is good, but not that good. Morrow has upside but League is ready to pitch well in the bullpen while Morrow is struggling with command and cannot secure a place as a starter or in the pen.
Toronto won this trade regardless of who the prospect is because its not Snider or Wallace
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 22, 2009 10:36 AM PST reply actions
With that logic, we won this trade because we didn't trade Felix.
by seattlesundevil on Dec 22, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Well, we took that same logic when we traded for Cliff Lee.
We didn’t trade Morrow, Saunders, or Triunfel, which was a big win for us.
Yeah that was a good move
Seattle didn’t give up any of their top prospects in Ackley/Triunfel and the major league ready ones in Saunders/Morrow.
I think that was the tone on this board, that the Mariners should not give up Morrow in a package for Lee.
And then he’s swapped for League? Not so great. Especially when you consider how high of a pick he was, his talent and the fact that Z has shown an ability to get good relief production off the scrap heap.
Not sure how it adds up, but it seems as if Z didn’t want him. Like how Dayton Moron gave up Dan Cortes to you guys for one of the worst players in baseball because he got arrested for peeing in public. He just didn’t want him
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 22, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Personally, I feel Jack didn't think Morrow could handle being a starter.
At least a 6+ IP every fifth day starter. His stamina just wasn’t good.
So instead of working with a question mark in the rotation or trying to turn him into a reliever/closer, Jack took the sure thing in Brandon League after having peddled Morrow out in the market. Other clubs are probably intrigued by Morrow’s potential, but the effort in reaching that potential might be too much and they weren’t willing to trade a high prospect in return.
This really isn't a good way to introduce yourself
We know that Wallace and Snider are unlikely to come. We also have a better grasp on the worth of Brandons Morrow and League than you do.
by Graham MacAree on Dec 22, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Look I'm a Royals fans so take your shots if you want. Im not trying to be a dick.
I think the Mariners are going to be awesome this year, and Z made some good moves getting Lee and Figgins. However, I"m not blind like the rest of baseball to not see that when Z was in a position of “special assistant to the GM” in Milwaukee that he approved of the Suppan and Hall moves. That’s 70 million that is absolutely crippling them.
Z doesn’t want wild pitchers. League will bolster the bullpen so although Morrow’s upside will be missed, its not that bad of a move if League pans out.
It was just annoying reading all these comments about “oh it must Snider or Wallace!!!!!!”
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 22, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Special Assistant to the GM doesn't have the final word on signings.
I don’t know why you blame Zduriencik for moves Doug Melvin is ultimately responsible for. Z may have approved of the players, but he didn’t decide on the salary figures.
Who knows the accountability
Obviously Z did a great job getting exec of the year as a scout director, in which he was able to parlay them into a GM gig in Seattle.
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 22, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Twitter:
MLBastian
Hearing that Blue Jays Minor League OF Johermyn Chavez is the prospect being sent to the Mariners in the Brandon Morrow trade.
Unacceptable if so
by Graham MacAree on Dec 22, 2009 10:43 AM PST reply actions
Looks like a Greg halman clone.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
Only with less power
Do not like this.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
"Hearing that..."
What does “Hearing that …” mean?
by Attractive Nuisance on Dec 22, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
According to Dave:
If Johermyn Chavez is the prospect, I hate this deal.
He's not really going out on a limb with that one
by Graham MacAree on Dec 22, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not saying I like this trade
I just think people are too high on Morrow.
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 22, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
League is essentially a relief-only version of Morrow
Except he’s more expensive and here for less time. No matter how much you value Morrow you probably have to value league less.
by Graham MacAree on Dec 22, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Oh you've got to be Johermyn
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 22, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Johermyn Chavez
Jordan Bastian reports it on twitter
Maybe Jack felt bad about the Lee deal and wanted to wish the Jays a bit of holiday cheer!
by .Taylor on Dec 22, 2009 10:50 AM PST reply actions
Hey guys, I'm going to go kill myself!
Have a Merry Christmas! I’ll try and help the Mariners this year ala Angels in the outfield.
Carlos Silvelite
Baseball times
Baseball times had this to say about him November 12, 2009 as their #1 prospect
1. Yohermyn Chavez: He’s not a prototypical No. 1 prospect, but Chavez has middle-of-the-order potential and a strong work ethic. But he is still raw, and his bat needs to improve across the board. Call me bullish, but he is near the top of the list of breakout candidates for 2010.
He's not even in the Blue Jays top 15 per BA
by Graham MacAree on Dec 22, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
The same list has JP Arencibia at #3
Ahead of Zach Stewart and Brad Mills.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 22, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
His list for us had Ackley 3rd.
And no Adam Moore
by Graham MacAree on Dec 22, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Batter's Box recently had Chavez as the #12 prospect in Toronto's system
http://www.battersbox.ca/article.php?story=20091222002803537
Although he repeated low-A Lansing in 2009, the Venezuelan outfielder was just 20 years old, still young for the league. Keeping in mind that the league average line is .256/.329/.373, Chavez hit .283/.346/.474 with 21 homers and 89 RBI.
I thought I'd see what Old Reliable Bob Elliott had to twitter about the trade
Turns out nothing, but there was this odd tweet from last Friday:
Jack Z was having such a great walking-on-water winter … and then he ventured into the risky, thin ice section of the FA lake
He really needs to lose his tweeting privelages
by Brian Floyd on Dec 22, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
I can't figure out what he was talking about on the 18th ...
Bradley was the deal just done at that point, and (as we know) it was a trade.
Source?
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 22, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Looks like it
Team still needs a first baseman and money’s tight. Morrow was the big trade piece, so trading seems about done for the winter.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 22, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Well, everyone seems to be running with the Bastian report of Johermyn
So… nutsack. He seems to be a good enough hitter based on numbers alone… At least the power is very nice for a guy playing in the midwest league and still filling out. He’ll have some fun in High Desert next year if they don’t send him straight to West Tenn.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 22, 2009 11:26 AM PST reply actions
Either it's not Chavez and there's someone else coming our way (or maybe Chavez and some other prospect)
or the M’s front office knows something about Morrow’s health that we don’t. We know that Jack Z wouldn’t take that type of prospect with a reliever in a deal. Not his kind of player.
A Mariners fan in Seattle
I really wish that I didn't just watch the highlight reel of Morrow's 8 IP 9 K performance against Oakland now. :(
He even threw sexy bendy stuff. :(
This trade sucks.
by EnglishMariner on Dec 22, 2009 11:29 AM PST reply actions
So....
Jack Z was infected by Bavasi brain spiders yesterday?
We are now screwed?
I don't think we should hit the panic button until we know for sure, alright?
Trust in Jack. You know you can.
A Mariners fan in Seattle
by Coach Owens on Dec 22, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, me too.
A couple bad trades but a ton of good ones.
So if we do get Johermyn Chavez
What is the thinking behind this?
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 22, 2009 11:36 AM PST reply actions
The happiest people in this deal: Jack Z haters.
Finally they have a bad deal they can point to and say “See we all agree this is horrible and Jack Z is leading the team down a road of failure for years to come!”
The question is: who could hate Jack?
A Mariners fan in Seattle
by Coach Owens on Dec 22, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
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