In (somebody) We Trust - Banner voting and next steps

by pdb on Dec 21, 2009 4:00 PM PST

So in our last installment, EnglishMariner put up a FanPost wondering about the possibility of us chipping in some money for a Jack Z appreciation banner that could hang at Safeco next season. Subsequently:

1. Sec 108 offered to have his company do the printing and work with his ticket rep to provide a space to hang the banner (in front of his seats)
2. Royalcurve set up a PayPal to which donations could be made to pay for the banner
3. A poll was established where a slogan choice could be voted on
4. Several readers submitted designs for said banner

And to sum up, by the thinnest of margins, In Z We Trust was the winner of said poll.

Now that we have a slogan, it's on to the design. Here are the candidates from that thread, in no particular order:

- OKDan's effort
- Eyebrows' effort (would probably be without the head, but the general color/font scheme would stay)
- Two R's and Two L's' effort (would probably need to be in slightly different colors and font to avoid copyright issues)
- admiralzing's effort (font would need to be bolder but the general style would be the same)
- runningfool's effort
- msb's effort

A few things to remember about this banner:

1. It's going to be about 10' long x 2.5' wide
2. It will be able to be seen from all over the stadium and on TV, so clarity is important
3. It can't contain the Lookout Landing logo or site name because that would cross the line into advertising
4. As noted with 2R2L's effort above, It should probably avoid Mariner color schemes/fonts
5. No matter how cool the technology is, we probably can't afford a constantly spinning Z head

So, with that, on to the votering! Voting! Whatever! Exclamation points! Since it's the holidays, I don't want to drag this out, so what say we close the voting for this at noon Thursday, Christmas eve?

Vote yourself crazy!

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UPDATE 12/21/09 9PM:
We will still close the voting on Thursday as planned, but then there will be a subsequent FanPost featuring the top two vote-getters from which we will choose a winner. In that FanPost we will also accept modifications to the two finalists, in terms of fonts/colors/etc, if people have ideas or suggestions on how to make the two finalists better.
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UPDATE 12/24/09 12.30PM:
Poll has been closed, and there will shortly be a new FanPost with the winner of the poll up against another entry or two from this thread.

Poll

Which design should the LL "In Z We Trust" sign have?

OKDan's

28 votes

Eyebrows'

32 votes

2R2L's

22 votes

admiralzing's

78 votes

runningfool's

12 votes

msb's

1 votes

None of the above - I have a better design (please post said design in comments)

0 votes

173 votes | Poll has closed

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Also, we have raised $267.

by royalcurve on Dec 21, 2009 4:12 PM PST reply actions

So that will cover the cost of a single-color sign!

Awesome.

by pdb on Dec 21, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions

I'll be donating later

probably $15 or so.

Fuck Anaheim.

by Eyeball Kid on Dec 21, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions

So it turns out the bank have put a temporary 'safeguard' on my card because they think it might have been nicked.

I swear, I will donate eventually!

Fuck Anaheim.

by Eyeball Kid on Dec 24, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions

Still planning on a donation jar at the event, correct?

by Kermit. on Dec 21, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions

Were we planning that?

I don’t know, it seems a little tacky. It’s not our event, and presumably a lot of the people attending read LL now and again. I think we’ll do just fine with the Paypal donation.

by royalcurve on Dec 21, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions

I still think that this is a good idea, but it will need someone at the event to organise and of course, we will need permission from Dave.

I think we’d raise a fortune doing this, the goodwill for Jack will be sky high after his talk, I estimate we’d raise at least an other $250.

by EnglishMariner on Dec 22, 2009 4:55 AM PST up reply actions

I still don't think we should do this even though I'm not even going to be there

It’s not LL’s event, and I agree with RC that it does seem a bit tacky – we’ve got enough right now to cover a one-color banner, and maybe if we end up needing more the good mods of USSM will allow a post soliciting donations over there if it comes to that.

by pdb on Dec 22, 2009 6:57 AM PST up reply actions

I'm good with sticking to the paypal account.

Too awkward to handle the whole tip jar thing, with explanations, etc. aside from takking away from the event.

Plus, if by some chance Jack is one of the guests, it will ruin the surprise :)

by msb on Dec 22, 2009 8:08 AM PST up reply actions

Please don't

by Graham MacAree on Dec 22, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions

72% of you have voted incorrectly so far.

by katal on Dec 21, 2009 4:25 PM PST reply actions

Have we?

by royalcurve on Dec 21, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions

Uh huh.

“Eyebrows’” was the proper response to the poll.

by katal on Dec 21, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions

Ah. Well then I am correct.

by royalcurve on Dec 21, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions

Oh! Nevermind.

Didn’t realize who you had voted for. My mistake.

by katal on Dec 21, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions

;)

by royalcurve on Dec 21, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions

voted for admiralzing

but would be completely content with Eyebrows’ as well

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by Corco on Dec 21, 2009 4:27 PM PST reply actions

I voted for Eyebrows' but would be completely content with admiralzing's as well.

Provided the text had a darker color.

by royalcurve on Dec 21, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions

I would like Jack's head to be clearer if Admiral's gets picked.

I voted for 2R2L, but I love Jack’s head on Eyebrow’s. If we could somehow combine the two…

Too many good choices.

by Wilder. on Dec 21, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions

I'm a little amazed mine was voted for.

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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 22, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions

I like it because it looks professional.

by Wilder. on Dec 22, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions

Yeah me too.

Fuck Anaheim.

by Eyeball Kid on Dec 21, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions

Not to lengthen the process any further, but it would be cool to see finalized versions of the top two vote getters and then vote again on one of those

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by Corco on Dec 21, 2009 4:57 PM PST reply actions

I support this idea.

It’s not like we are running out of time.

by Zwakamatsu on Dec 21, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions

That works for me

Consider this a primary.

by pdb on Dec 21, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions

A floating head seems really cheap.

I like the more stylized approach by admiralzing.

by Janic on Dec 21, 2009 5:04 PM PST reply actions

Okay, I know the voting has begun, but I thought I would toss my hat in.

by Wilder. on Dec 21, 2009 5:41 PM PST reply actions

Maybe not for a banner, but if there is extra money leftover, we can make some buttons to hand out at the USSM event.

by Wilder. on Dec 21, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions

I would totally buy a sticker/button of that.

by Zwakamatsu on Dec 21, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions

T-shirts!

You got slurved!

by Slurvey on Dec 21, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions

I would also totally but a T-Shirt of that.

by Zwakamatsu on Dec 21, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions

Or buy one even.

by Zwakamatsu on Dec 21, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions

Stickers would be a much easier and cheaper.

I like the idea.

by Wilder. on Dec 21, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions

I would sport a sticker of that on my car for sure. Maybe we could get a sticker fund going as well?

by Zwakamatsu on Dec 21, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions

I want one that says "41st man"

by royalcurve on Dec 21, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

I think I know someone with a button-maker-device, though.

I’ll see what’s possible.

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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 22, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions

admiralzing's would look great in B&W.

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by JLProck on Dec 21, 2009 5:46 PM PST reply actions

I agree.

Fuck Anaheim.

by Eyeball Kid on Dec 21, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions

I personally think the teal color is nice

but I think you’re right the shading on Z’s face would look better in B&W.

by Zwakamatsu on Dec 21, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions

Teal will be unreadable from most of the park. Too light.

by Sec 108 on Dec 22, 2009 7:14 AM PST up reply actions

And the nuances of the shading will be lost on most of the park as well

by pdb on Dec 22, 2009 7:52 AM PST up reply actions

They're all good in my book. I just hope the final version has "Z" instead of "Jack."

If you think about it, the seattle media typically refer to him as “Z” so it makes sense…

by sirbrianwilson on Dec 21, 2009 6:02 PM PST reply actions

They do?

by msb on Dec 21, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions

I just moved back to Seattle a couple weeks ago. From what I've heard they refer to him as "Z" a large percentage of the time.

by sirbrianwilson on Dec 21, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions

Are you talking about the radio hosts?

by msb on Dec 21, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions

Yeah

by sirbrianwilson on Dec 23, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions

ok

I’ve heard them say Dr Zoinks, and Dr Z, and Jackie Z …. I’m not sure I’ve heard a lot of people actually say just “Z” ….

by msb on Dec 24, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions

I also voted for admiralzing's but would be perfectly fine with Eyebrows' design too

by OlSalty on Dec 21, 2009 6:13 PM PST reply actions

Radical

I’m pretty stoked that this looks like it’s gonna happen!

I think that whether we take the top 2 and polish them up and re-vote, or just take the winner… We should go through another round or two of finalizing/touch-ups to make sure we get the absolute most out of whichever direction we choose. I mean, it will be seen all year long by many people. I’d be happy to offer some of my time to do such things, even if it’s not mine that’s chosen.

Woo!

by okdan on Dec 21, 2009 6:18 PM PST reply actions

Jack doesn't even need his to use his ZSP to tell him that admiralzing is going to win.

by Janic on Dec 21, 2009 6:35 PM PST reply actions

I'm working on one... Should be p cool. Didn't see the original "contest"

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by lailaihei on Dec 21, 2009 7:55 PM PST reply actions

Why on earth did six people vote for mine?

Especially with the ridiculous teal-and-red unnecessary second line of text. I voted for Eyebrows, but I would like to see some touched-up versions.

by RunningFool on Dec 21, 2009 8:33 PM PST reply actions

Okay dammit someone beat us to it

But ours will be less cheeseball looking (and bigger) than this.

by pdb on Dec 21, 2009 9:14 PM PST reply actions

Wow, that's awful looking

by royalcurve on Dec 21, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions

It should be viewed as an object lesson in What Not To Do In Order To Make A Good Sign

by pdb on Dec 21, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions

Hey!

don’t be dissing Judy.

by msb on Dec 22, 2009 8:09 AM PST up reply actions

I have no idea who Judy is (assuming she's the one in the photo?) but I wasn't dissing her

just her sign-design capability.

by pdb on Dec 22, 2009 8:14 AM PST up reply actions

Judy is great.

She has made better signs, though :)

Judy was my first real boss … she and her sister are thoroughly enjoying their retirement, getting to follow the Ms more closely.

by msb on Dec 22, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions

As an aside

it was fun to read someone talk glowingly of the Mariners. I can’t remember the last time I read an article like that about our ballclub. Probably in ’01.

by Omerta on Dec 22, 2009 4:17 AM PST up reply actions

Is that even Jack Zduriencik on there?

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Dec 22, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions

I plan on donating at least a little bit,

I just need to get some holiday shopping done first…

by Slow Country on Dec 22, 2009 2:35 AM PST reply actions

Am I missing something?

Sec 108 offered to have his company

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by qrsouther on Dec 22, 2009 9:17 AM PST reply actions

I actually do not do sign printing here, but I will be having a local sign company make it.

A good friend of mine is the production manager there and he gives me smokin’ deals on all my sign jobs.

by Sec 108 on Dec 22, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions

I think your gender is in question.

by Wilder. on Dec 22, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions

May be confusing me with Section331.

by Sec 108 on Dec 22, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions

Doesn't mean your gender still isn't in question

by pdb on Dec 22, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions

Hmm, plenty of valid questions about me are out there but I assumed gender

was not one of them.

by Sec 108 on Dec 22, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions

I guess it's just the cross dressing that had me confused.

by pdb on Dec 22, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions

Sec 108 is a dude.

Not that he’s not pretty. He totally is.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Dec 22, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

To be fair I did wear makeup that day with my strapless dress.

by Sec 108 on Dec 23, 2009 7:10 AM PST up reply actions

This falsely assumes I looked above the waist.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Dec 23, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions

My effort is admittedly rather poor.

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by qrsouther on Dec 22, 2009 9:26 AM PST reply actions

Also, I know. Smaller. My bad.

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by qrsouther on Dec 22, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions

Plus it's the wrong shape

it needs to be long and narrow – 10’ wide by 2.5’ high. This would be a good button or t-shirt, though…

by pdb on Dec 22, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions

I forgot to say in the subject that I was thinking T-shirt with it.

It was too early in the morning for me. Whoops once more.

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by qrsouther on Dec 22, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions

That would be a cool shirt.

by pdb on Dec 22, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions

Is the light blue too much?

I was trying to go for old-Mariners look with it, now I think I just used too many colors.

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by qrsouther on Dec 22, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions

I guess it could roughly look like this.

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by qrsouther on Dec 22, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions

It would also look good on a gray t-shirt I think.

by pdb on Dec 22, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions

I made this one yesterday, but didn't post it.

by Wilder. on Dec 22, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions

For us girls, I'll take Wilder's slogan placement with, "It's Jack or Bust"

snicker snicker

by wazzu93 on Dec 22, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions

I think I've seen sidebar ads featuring those :)

by msb on Dec 23, 2009 6:51 AM PST up reply actions

Crap! Always a day late :(

by wazzu93 on Dec 23, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions

It would also look good on a blue shirt.

That way you don’t have an awkward box. on the front of the shirt.

by Kirk on Dec 22, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions

I actually sort of liked the portrait quality.

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by qrsouther on Dec 22, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions

And to answer your original question about it

the light blue’s not bad, but I’d maybe do the white border in the same color as the border around Z’s head, be it either the white or the light blue.

by pdb on Dec 22, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions

Replace Z's face with Jeff's and it's golden.

by .Taylor on Dec 22, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions

I wouldn't trust that Sullivan guy any further than I could throw him

by pdb on Dec 22, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions

The shape of the border around Jack's head makes it look like he's looking out an airplane window :)

by wazzu93 on Dec 23, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions

What about "In Jack We Thrust"

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Dec 22, 2009 11:47 AM PST reply actions 1 recs

what about not

by pdb on Dec 22, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions

Thanks for the input!

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Dec 22, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions

You're welcome!

by pdb on Dec 22, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions

No, but we have a no slogan!

Lookout Landing: “In Z We Trust, in Guti We Thrust, to Ichiro We Lust and With Griffey … I Guess We Must..”

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Dec 22, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 11 recs

Well done

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

by InSpokane on Dec 22, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions

In Morrow We Bust?

by OlSalty on Dec 22, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions

Say no to Jack Cust.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Dec 22, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions

Here's mine

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by lailaihei on Dec 22, 2009 10:39 PM PST reply actions

Too Christmasy on the font.

But I love the compass on the Z.

by Wilder. on Dec 22, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions

I'll work on some iterations tomorrow.

This is the general idea I was going for, tho. Wanted to see some reactions before I put more into it. Thanks for the input.

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by lailaihei on Dec 22, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions

This is clearly in violation of copyright laws as we do not have a release to use their logo.

by Sec 108 on Dec 23, 2009 7:11 AM PST up reply actions

How about the trident? Fairly innocuous and not exactly exclusive to the M's

by Kermit. on Dec 23, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions

Or a compass without the team colors?

by Kermit. on Dec 23, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions

If it's an upside down trident in the shape of the M's old logo

I believe they do in fact hold the copyright to that, and even if the colors are different they might raise the alarm. It’s really best just to stay away from logos altogether, because the M’s are really stringent as far as what they’ll allow to hang in the stadium; it doesn’t take much for them to say “sorry can’t do that”.

by pdb on Dec 23, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions

Fair use?

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by lailaihei on Dec 23, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions

This would not qualify as fair use as I understand the term

Fair use is for things like fleeting mentions in reviews, not for a display that’s intended to be there for six months.

by pdb on Dec 23, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions

It's not copyright laws, anyway, it's trademark law. So it's not a clear violation of copyright law.

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by lailaihei on Dec 23, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions

What you're forgetting is that Safeco Field is not a public facility

the M’s control it and thus control what is displayed in it.

by pdb on Dec 23, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions

To clarify:

even if it’s not a violation of copyright law, if the M’s don’t like it they have the right to refuse permission to display it because they control Safeco Field.

by pdb on Dec 23, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions

That's true, indeed.

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by lailaihei on Dec 23, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions

To be more to the point then.

The Mariners have backed me up many times in disputes with fans over the years and I like staying in good standing with them. Rather than push the envelope let’s be creative instead.

by Sec 108 on Dec 23, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions

GOD IT'S ALWAYS ALL ABOUT YOU YOU NEEDY SOB

I mean, yeah, you’re right – it’s good to keep a good relationship with them

by pdb on Dec 23, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions

How about this?

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by lailaihei on Dec 23, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions

If you have ever wondered why your Dad ignored you I can help with that.

by Sec 108 on Dec 23, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs

I'm pretty sure Zduriencik has trademarked the letter Z.

by Kermit. on Dec 23, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions

So do you want only words? Nothing "Mariners" about it?

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by lailaihei on Dec 23, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions

Exactly. I do not want people thinking the team made it.

Nor do I want the team wondering why I am using their name and logo.

by Sec 108 on Dec 23, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions

Are team colors fine?

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by lailaihei on Dec 23, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions

Sure.

by Sec 108 on Dec 23, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions

This one is just for fun

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by lailaihei on Dec 23, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions

Love both Two R's and Two L's and admiralzing's

definitely on board with either of those, though I like lailaihei’s idea of adding the compass in black and white to the Z if that’s what we end up going with

by seattlebruin on Dec 22, 2009 10:58 PM PST reply actions

I still like "Jack" over "Z"

wrt a t-shirt? A shirt with a big, heavy, iron-on is an uncomfprtable shirt. I like a simple one, myself.

by msb on Dec 23, 2009 6:50 AM PST reply actions

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by qrsouther on Dec 23, 2009 9:34 AM PST reply actions 1 recs

Subject like would have been helpful

and this would make an awesome bumpersticker.

by pdb on Dec 23, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions

I've been away from LL too long.

I keep breaking rules. Next time I’ll put the obligatory period in the subject.

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by qrsouther on Dec 23, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions

I stand by my awesome bumpersticker thought though.

by pdb on Dec 23, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions

There are not many bumper stickers I would even consider putting on my car

This one would be the rare exception

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by Corco on Dec 23, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions

I agree.

by royalcurve on Dec 23, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions

I bet you, Lisa, have a bumper sticker that reads "I Flip For Lillibridge"

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by qrsouther on Dec 24, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions

Guilty.

by royalcurve on Dec 24, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions

I would too

by OlSalty on Dec 23, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions

Paypal question from a Noob

When I click on Royalcurve’s link above, I keep getting a PayPal page that says, Sorry, your transaction couldn’t be completed (or something close to that). Can someone give me an eyeroll and explain in slow English what I need to do to spread some christmas cheer to the banner club?

by wazzu93 on Dec 23, 2009 12:16 PM PST reply actions

There probably was a time limit set on donations

PayPal lets you specify when a particular paypal thing should close, so this has probably closed. Maybe RC would take a check in the mail or something?

by pdb on Dec 23, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions