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Why Adrian Beltre Makes Little Sense

This post makes me sad. I'm so sorry, Red.

I love Adrian Beltre. I would love to continue being able to watch him in a Mariners uniform. But like Jeff's two posts on Felix earlier in the offseason, this one is going to take the rational approach.

Here is our situation as it stands now:
1B - Hannahan/Carp - 1 WAR, $400K
2B - Lopez - 2 WAR, $2.5M
SS - Wilson - 2 WAR, $5M
3B - Figgins - 3 WAR, $9M
Total - 8 WAR, 17M

Re-signing Adrian Beltre would mean that he reclaims his third base position and almost assuredly moves Chone Figgins to second base now that left field is filled with some rotation of four players (Michael Saunders, Milton Bradley, Ryan Langerhans, Bill Hall). Figgins is likely to be the same value at third or second, 3-3.5 WAR since the positional adjustments are the same and Figgins has familiarity at both positions. Figgins at second base means Jose Lopez is displaced either to first base or another team.

I covered what Jose Lopez moving to first base would be like (see? The dominoes are all falling into place now) earlier and concluded that he would not be significantly better than either of our already present options (Jack Hannahan, Mike Carp). In other words, whether Hannahan, Carp or Lopez, we probably only have about 1 WAR projected out of first base for now. Since moving Lopez results in no possible upgrade at first base, Adrian Beltre essentially replaces Lopez's production and Mike Carp's cost in the infield. That shuffling of the infield deck chairs represents a mere one win upgrade.

Signing Beltre, Moving Lopez to 1B
1B - Lopez - 1 WAR, $2.5M
2B - Figgins - 3 WAR, $9M
SS - Wilson - 2 WAR, $5M
3B - Beltre - 3 WAR, $X
Total - 9 WAR, 16.5M + X

In this illustration, you should clearly see the problem. We gained a win, sure, but because the only player bumped was one making the league minimum, the cost of that single win would be the entirety of Beltre's salary over that amount, a far too rich amount.

Clearly then, acquiring Beltre means that Jose Lopez needs to go. There are still problems with this. Even in the case where you just traded Lopez for something non-infield related, you still net just one win, however your marginal cost for that one win would be reduced to Beltre salary over Lopez's. The issue is how cheap Jose Lopez is. At just $2.5 million in cost, Adrian Beltre's additional win over Lopez would mean that we could offer Beltre about $7 million for what he would supply the team in marginal production under this scenario. I have a hard time believing Adrian Beltre is signing here for $7 million, much less that Jack Zdurencik is interested in paying full market price for wins.

Moving further into complicated land, we could suppose that instead of trading Lopez for non-entity's, Jack Z could turn him into a league average 1B (given that Lopez is a league average 2B, I'm not going to go any higher). In that case, the infield would then look like:

Signing Beltre, Trading Lopez For League Average 1B
1B - Trade Target- 2 WAR, $Y
2B - Figgins - 3 WAR, $9M
SS - Wilson - 2 WAR, $5M
3B - Beltre - 3 WAR, $X
Total - 10 WAR, 14M + X + Y

Now we have a two win upgrade over our current arrangement. We also now have two unknown salaries. Sticking with the best case scenario (see how flimsy this hope is getting?), and assuming the league average 1B we trade for is a 0-3 year player making the league minimum, we are back to Beltre's cost replacing Lopez's cost, but with the benefit of gaining us two wins instead of one. Two wins at market value is about $8-9 million which means the Mariners could offer Beltre $10-11 million a year and the deal would make sense from a marginal production point of view. As a quick side note, it's actually a little less than this because re-signing Beltre means we lose out on a Type B compensation pick, worth a million or so.

Two problems with that though. First, would Beltre accept that? He may want more. Secondly, and more damning is that while that offer would be justified in a vacuum, the Mariners are up against their budget. They cannot afford to pay fair market price for wins. Even with the creative additions of Figgins, Lee and Bradley all coming in well below market rates (discussed in future post), the team is still needing to address some holes and paying the market rate isn't going to do it.

In an ideal world, Lopez would fetch a good return after his high average, clutchy, 25-homerun, 40-double 2009 season. A return good enough to allow the Mariners to then pay Beltre what he wants. That's not likely to happen however. And even if it did, Beltre would have to want to come back and be willing to sign at below his fair market value. Remember, for Beltre, a 3 WAR player, he's worth about $12-14 million a year. On top of that, Jack Zduriencik would have to want to sign Beltre to such a deal and basically punt the rest of free agency.

I think we all figured that Beltre was gone as soon as the 2009 season ended. The reports that surfaced at the Winter Meetings about the Mariners being interested in bringing Beltre back probably renewed that hope for some people, but as things stand now, it's not an avenue that offers much sense to the Mariners at this time.

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Maybe someone could help me out with this.

By contract numbers alone, it seems like teams are paying less than $4m per win to the free agents this offseason. Does that $4m+ number include other things like lost draft pick value?

by Manzanillos Cup on Dec 21, 2009 2:13 PM PST reply actions  

Just remember that typical market value over the last few years has been $4.25-$4.5M per win

however, now that GMs are getting smarter, players are getting more reasonable contracts, and that’s pushing the average cost of a win down. However, teams are still paying current players signed as free agents to $5M+ per win deals, which keeps the actual value per win up.

With regards to the lower contracts being handed out, I’m also assuming that the economy has something to do with it. That and Ed Wade giving mediocre relievers deals for three years and $15M.

by seattlebruin on Dec 21, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I got ya, when the contract pool includes more than this year it makes sense.

It will be interesting to see how smart GMs get the next few years, and if the average per win dollar amount on contracts keeps dropping (or raises slower than expected, maybe). Long contracts with inflation factored in and signed before everyone figured out how to value performance properly could come out looking pretty bad.

by Manzanillos Cup on Dec 21, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

This year may be an aberration

Down economy, weak FA class, unsettled ownership at several orgs, plus little activity by the Yankees — who did all their big-ticket signings last year — makes the market soft. Despite some “GMs getting smarter” there’s still a lot of lunacy at work, and plenty of looming reasons to enable it: new owners looking to make splashes, rebounding revenues (especially new streams like MLB TV), and some big name players getting out from under team control. All of that means that it won’t take much to start the inflation elevator again.

Plus this off-season isn’t over. We may yet see more Ed Wade style overpays to pull the average up. Figgins is going to look way below-market by the time his contract is done (if not sooner).

by wandergeist on Dec 21, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Makes sense and bums me out at the same time.

You guys are rocking some great content. Keep it up!

by Sec 108 on Dec 21, 2009 2:27 PM PST reply actions  

Other Options

Beltre doesn’t make sense, but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t options out there that could. Since 3B is a premium position this offseason, but 2B seems to be overstocked, playing Figgins at 3B makes a lot of sense. We could add Felipe Lopez cheaply as an addition that should play great Defense and be an average switch hitting bat and still give us a win over Jose. I would also be happy if I heard more rumors about Ben Sheets. Since he is likely to sign for around $6-$7 mil and could be worth 2 wins more than the player he would be replacing (Fister, French, or Olson). This frees up trading a Morrow and Jose Lopez combo for an above average 1st baseman.

by jkcmason on Dec 21, 2009 3:04 PM PST reply actions  

Obviously I am just dreaming here, but a three team swap sending Jose Lopez and Brandon Morrow to Colorado prospects to Cincinnati and Joey Votto to us would be rather nice, as well as benefitting all teams. as long as Cinci got a stop gap at 1B.

by jkcmason on Dec 21, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah the problem with that is that Cincinnati will not unload their best asset for a pile of mediocre junk

Votto’s pretty much their cornerstone, and they aren’t going to get rid of him any time soon.

by pdb on Dec 21, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I love the little teasers you keep dropping.

“Hey guys, let me tell you why Jose Lopez shouldn’t move to first. If you stick around and I’ll explain a little something about Adrian Beltre. Wait, don’t leave yet, you’re gonna miss an exciting discussion on market rates and Milton Bradley!”

by sammy on Dec 21, 2009 3:17 PM PST reply actions  

I know I posted a thought on this in another thread but would Beltre at SS make sense for anybody

Since we signed Jack Wilson to play SS, it probably doesn’t make much sense for us but it seems to me that he could at least play a decent SS if given the chance.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 21, 2009 4:02 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah I thought about that a little

He is quite a bit bigger than your average SS. He is pretty awesome at charging balls from 3B and can pick it at 3B on balls to his left and right but I agree my biggest worry would be that he doesn’t have the lateral speed to take several steps.

Double plays would also be a major issue that would take a lot of practice. It would be interesting to watch some guy trying to break up his throw to 1B by sliding into him. My guess would be that Beltre would end his existence.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 21, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Downward shifts on the ol' defensive spectrum generally end in tears and sadness and crying.

For the most part, if you have the range and the arm, you’re playing shortstop already. Beltre has a gun and good range for a third baseman, which is not at all close to having good range for a shortstop.

by Johnny Slick on Dec 21, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

If the Dodgers had thought Adrian could be a shortstop

They would’ve made him one. It’s not like he was blocked by the wizardry of Greg Gagne or Jose Vizcaino

That ship has sailed.

by wandergeist on Dec 21, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

Although we all love Beltre, it’s time to let it go. The cost outweighs the production that we can get from other options.

by rrenner07 on Dec 21, 2009 5:16 PM PST reply actions  

I'm loving these last few posts about out player acquisitions and their value and such.

It is extremely interesting to me to see the logic of Zduriencik and our FO broken down. Great work guys!

by Slow Country on Dec 21, 2009 6:24 PM PST reply actions  

Nice breakdown for the unmathletic among us.

My brain knows you’re right. My heart loves Beltre.
I’d make a poor GM.

Griffey!

by Big Jared on Dec 21, 2009 10:15 PM PST reply actions  

Unmathletic

        My vocabulary has paid the price for neglecting this blog

by dbcouver on Dec 22, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

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by Matthew on Dec 22, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry

        I meant to say “I agree with this post”

by dbcouver on Dec 22, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

We generally prefer that you just rec a post you agree with.

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by Matthew on Dec 22, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Beltre

      Hes one of the best 3rd basemen I’ve watched play but Safeco just isn’t good for his hitting.

by dbcouver on Dec 22, 2009 12:46 PM PST reply actions  

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