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Homebrew Ramblings

This reads in a rambling manor because I have been sampling my gruit :)

Well, I just pitched my first apple cider.  I did a 2 gallon batch just to try it.  I used 2 gallons of apple juice and a vial of White Labs English Cider Yeast.  I sanitized everything, including the outside of jugs if cider, then poured the juice into the fermenter, then pitched the yeast and shook it for 5 minutes.

I'll keep it at about 70 and see what happens.   My plan is to bottle in 2 weeks with a very small amount of corn sugar, just to give it a zing of carbonation, and condition it for a 1 1/2 month or so then drink.

I used some unfiltered (but pasteurized) honey crisp apple juice from QFC.  No idea what that means, but my calculations are a 5.3% or so cider.  If it works I'll try it in the 5 gallon carboy, and maybe try pear or something.  I plan reusing the yeast and doing a pear cider or different ciders.  I'd like to experiment with sweet cider by using potassium sorbate and making more of a sweet wine.

BTW, my last gruit recipe turned out awesome.  It is by far, hands down, the most unique beer I've ever had.  It has a citrusy, floral, piney, sour, kind of cidery taste.  It's beer-like, but is not beer like most people know it.  I can re-post the recipe if anyone is interested.  

Don't try any of my Root beer attempts.  They've been bad.

That said, I want to do it again.  I'm close to doing a root beer modeled after a Strong Scotch Ale.  I'm thinking of making a fairly standard dark ale for the malt bill, but doing the long boil and the cold fermentation and lagering, like a scotch ale, event using the WYeast Scotch Ale Yeast.

I have Vanilla, Wintergreen, Sarsaparilla, Anise, Licorice, Ginger, Cloves, Nutmeg, Cinnamon, Allspice, Roasted Dandelion Root, Peppermint.  Both my Root beers have been ruined by Ginger.  I need to hold WWWWAAAAYYYY back on the Ginger.  I only used a little bit last time and it tasted so much like Ginger, it ruined everything.  I think the Root Beer Extract also had Ginger in it, so it was too much.  My first Root Beer I used a large chunk of Ginger Root!  This time I plan on using a very thinly sliced medallion for a 2 gallon test batch.  

I want to take some Malt Extract and boil it in a low amount of water for a long time to caramelize the shit out of it and make it as unfermentable as possible, then adding it into the rest of the boil.  I also plan on doing a higher (155+) mash to get the Maltodextrin content higher.  I may use Cara-pils as well.

Also on my Todo list is a Chocolate Raspberry Stout.  I also want to do a normal Strong Scotch Ale, even perhaps with a small amount of Rauch Malt, except unhopped.  I'd use Licorice, Ginger, Yarrow, and Ginger instead.  I'd do a 3 hour boil and shoot for a 80-90 OG beer, and I'd shoot for a higher Final Gravity by caramelizing more of the sugars during the boil.  It would be made in a similar style as the Root Beer, except have more traditional Scotch Ale flavors with a more Modern Scotch Ale malt bill.  Maybe only do Pale Malt and Roasted Barley, using the long boil to get more flavor.


So here’s some opinion questions, give honest opinions.  Just give a Yes or No on whether it sounds good as a Root Beer ingredient.   

Bittering Hops

Aroma Hops

Juniper

Spruce

Cinnamon

Black Cherry

Birch Bark

Sassafras (has anyone had Sassafras Root Beer?) 

Molasses

Honey

Smoked Malt


 

I may or may not use the results.  I do plan on doing a hopped Root Beer, but would probably only do Aroma Hops.  I <3 Aroma Hops.

If I have success I'll post the recipe. Any recommendations on good commercial Apple cider?

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They all sound like they have the potential to be quite good, although black cherry would be tough to pull off without making things a bit sweet. Of the ingredients listed I think that both varieties of hops, juniper and smoked malt are the most interesting.

As far as cider goes, Trader Joe’s store bran apple cider is by far my favorite widely available apple cider. If you are referring to hard cider, Red Barn is pretty great. I’ve never had a bad craft brewed cider, though.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 3, 2009 12:04 AM PST reply actions  

Trader Joes Cider is decent and cheap

I like the Trader Joes hard cider. I want it to be fairly sweet.

by chrisisasavage on Dec 3, 2009 12:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Relax, have a homebrew

Most recipes withstand modification so you don’t need to worry about having exact ingredients or amounts of things. Take care about sterilizing and write down everything you do, ingredient-wise, time wise, etc. Notes are necessary for reproducing or modifying your beer in succeeding batches.

Stouts or hoppy ales are good for first time brewers. The strong flavors mask flaws.

"The holy grail is to spend less time making the picture than it takes people to look at it." -Banksy

by two_hands on Dec 3, 2009 12:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Since it'd be the first time

I’d Do an extract beer, and I’d do an Ale. Maybe even a pre-hopped extract, but I’ve never used those. They sound easier :)

I’d do something easy. Knowing what I know now, I would recommend the following to myself if I was a noob:

7 lbs of Pale Malt Extract Syrup
8 oz of Crystal 60L Malt steeped in a grain bag
Get 2 oz of Cascade Hops and Muslin Hop bags, put 1 oz in one and .5 oz in the other. Freeze the rest for another day

Steep the Crystal Malt, do the 1.5 oz hops for 60 minutes and the .5 oz for 15.

Pitch with WYeast 1056 American Ale Yeast or something like that.

That said, as a noob, a few things right off the bat:
Grains are better. You’ll need a mashing setup to do anything beyond steeping grains.
Get a Hydrometer and Wort Chiller right away. Chilling wort in an Ice bath doesn’t work the greatest, and the Hydrometer can be critical to knowing when the fermentation is done, and to know the alcohol content.
Get a Beaker w/ a Stopper and Airlock to do starters. If you do one advanced thing early. That would be my suggestion.

by chrisisasavage on Dec 3, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Root beer ingredients, from the peanut gallery

Bittering hops, spruce, and smoked malt are ingredients easily over done. Were I brewing with more than two ingredients beyond hops and malt I would be conservative so as to not have any single ingredient overpower the others. I might dial up some of the more intense ingredients on later batches. I am a fairly inexperienced brewer so don’t take my advice as pearls of wisdom.

I don’t know anything about cider.

"The holy grail is to spend less time making the picture than it takes people to look at it." -Banksy

by two_hands on Dec 3, 2009 12:33 AM PST reply actions  

I agree

That isn’t going to hold me back from trying :)
I was thinking maybe 4 oz of Rauch Malt. I’d NEVER use peat smoked malt in something like that. I would probably not use bittering hops, and yes, spruce can ruin something like that, and I probably won’t use any.

by chrisisasavage on Dec 3, 2009 8:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Do you have a Charcoal grill?

If so you can smoke your own malt. I’ve been wanting to try cherry wood smoking malts for a big Scotch ale. But I think you could really spice up your Root Beer with an hours worth of smoking.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

by InSpokane on Dec 3, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I have a smoker

I have thought about smoking my own malt. I don’t want much smoke in my Root Beer. I have a little baggie of Rauch Malt and a little Baggie of Peat Malt, which I’ll probably never use. I like Rauch Malt over Peat Malt even in a Scotch Ale.

Cherry wood would probably be good. I was thinking about using Cherry Bark in the root beer!

A Big Scotch is going to be the basis for the beer. I might make it on the Dark side (color wise) for a Scotch, but beyond that, I’m shooting for a high gravity sweet Beer, and will be trying to hold back some on the flavors, even if I’m adding a bunch of different ones.

by chrisisasavage on Dec 3, 2009 8:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I've never thought about making root beer that might be fun.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

by InSpokane on Dec 3, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

It can be too dry

I’ve tried going heavy on the crystal malts, which helped, but it was still dry. This time I want to try a long long boil, maybe burn or heavily caramelize some extract in a low volume boil.

by chrisisasavage on Dec 3, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I even want to do

the whole cold ferment thing. The room I’ll keep it in stays ~60, so I’d keep it there, then lager it at 50 or so for a couple months

by chrisisasavage on Dec 3, 2009 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Smoked Malt

What was the gravity of the Cider when you pitched it?

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

by InSpokane on Dec 3, 2009 7:57 AM PST reply actions  

I'm cooking up an Imperial IPA this weekend. It will look something like this.

15 lbs. American 2-row info
3 lbs. Crystal Malt 10°L info
2.0 oz. Amarillo (Whole, 8.50 %AA) boiled 90 min.
.5 oz. Willamette (Whole, 5.00 %AA) boiled 90 min.
.5 oz. Cascade (Whole, 5.50 %AA) boiled 90 min.
Yeast : White Labs WLP051 California Ale V

I still don’t know what I’ll do for a dry hop.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

by InSpokane on Dec 3, 2009 8:19 AM PST reply actions  

Sounds Yummy

When I do my Chocolate Raspberry Stout I plan on doing

10 lbs of Maris Otter Pale Malt
10 lbs of Belgian Pilsner Malt
8 oz Cara-Pils
8 oz of Chocolate Malt
8 oz of Roasted Barley
2 oz of Chinook Hops
WYeast 1084 Irish Ale Yeast
Dark Chocolate
Defrosted Frozen Raspberries

I’d do like a 3 hour boil, to get a thick sweet wort and then add the Raspberries at the end.

I’m guessing that would be a 1.110ish wort.

by chrisisasavage on Dec 3, 2009 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

That's a big stout.

Have you tried beertools.com? They have a pretty nifty calculator. It helps me calculate my gravity. I learned the equation, but I’m kind of lazy now.

My target gravity for my Imperial IPA is 1.090.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

by InSpokane on Dec 3, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

My last batch suffered a stuck fermentation

It was nowhere near 70, since I was using the cellar room where my wine is… sitting there doing its thing. Too cold for beer.

My first homebrew was a cider with apples from the tree (and really it was more my wife’s project, whereas I was fucking up my first crack at pinot noir by not sterilizing things enough), though we used a champagne yeast – the whole thing turned out very dry, more akin to a german apfelwein, which was a nice change of pace.

I may give a try at a dry-hopped pale this winter, maybe add some juniper in an attempt to mimic Rogue juniper pale. I’ve still got some amarillo and simcoe hops around, but what sort of juniper extract were you looking at? Anyone know if there are commercial spruce extracts around, or should I just add real spruce tips?

by marc w on Dec 3, 2009 8:56 AM PST reply actions  

The Oak Barrel in Berkeley, CA

Has a spruce essence. They ship.

http://www.oakbarrel.com/index.shtml phone 510.849.0400

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

by InSpokane on Dec 3, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I get the stuff

from the local homebrew supply. I have scots pine growing in my yard, I used that instead of spruce in my gruit

by chrisisasavage on Dec 3, 2009 11:30 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

yes

I did a 45 minute boil anf strained the wort at the end

by chrisisasavage on Dec 3, 2009 12:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Next time I use spruce

I’m getting the essence. Last time I was at the homebrew supply it was 9.95 for the little bottle of it.

by chrisisasavage on Dec 3, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

If it turns out OK

I might try an imperial root beer, a something in the 11-14% range, lots of flavor ingredients including boil and aroma hops. Something you’d want to let sit for a couple years. Make it closer to a stout, dark malt and roast barley. I’d do a long ass boil, and maybe lager it for a few months.

by chrisisasavage on Dec 3, 2009 7:31 PM PST reply actions  

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