Quick Thoughts On The Bradley/Silva Deal
I don't know how much time I'll have to be around the computer today/this weekend, so I might as well address this now:
- As with the Chone Figgins and Cliff Lee deals, I'm talking about this before it's actually official, so this could still blow up. Keep that in mind and take nothing for granted.
- Carlos Silva is set to make $25m over the next two years, while Milton Bradley is set to make $21m. Some money would probably change hands in this deal, but they have very similar contracts, so for all intents and purposes the money balances out. This is simply an exchange of what two teams consider to be sunk costs.
- Bradley didn't have much of a year with the Cubs in 2009, but he did still post a .378 OBP, and his 5/4/3 weighted wOBA projection is .386. He has been an above-average hitter for seven consecutive seasons, and he only turns 32 next April, so it's not like he's approaching the edge of the cliff. He can swing a bat. I don't know exactly what role he would take on with the Mariners, but he would presumably spend a lot of time at DH, which means we have more or less plugged a hole with a good bat for something like $0. That's...who would've ever even thought that was possible?
- Bradley, however, is not strictly a DH - despite all those injuries (see them here!), he's still a reasonable defensive corner outfielder, meaning he could and would get time in left, presumably to spell Michael Saunders vs. lefties. Of course that's just one way I could see this working out, and I should know better than to try to keep up with this front office. What this comes down to is that, rather than add a pure DH, Z is just adding even more to the roster in the way of flexibility.
- Carlos Silva is nothing. There's a chance he could go all Jeff Weaver and bounce back a little bit after disappearing from the public eye, but he does absolutely nothing that we couldn't get from at least a half-dozen random minor leaguers already in the system, so he's no loss at all, unless you consider it a negative that Felix is losing a friend. But they'll stay in touch, and something tells me Felix will be okay given everything else that's been going on.
- Right or wrong, Bradley is perhaps the most well-known alleged clubhouse problem in baseball. The Mariners, meanwhile, supposedly have the most positive and tight-knit clubhouse in the league. If Bradley were to fit anywhere, Seattle makes the most sense, right? And keep in mind that Silva's no saint. I can't predict how Bradley will work here. There's a reason he's available for the low low cost of an expensive fat guy - he didn't pan out the way Chicago hoped he would, for several reasons. But Seattle should provide a soft landing, he'll be away from the crazy media, and given that it's not like he has a consistent history of flipping a tizzy, I feel pretty good about this.
- I can't believe it. I can't believe Z might be topping the Lee deal. I think he read my post yesterday and took it as a challenge. Touche, Jack.
- Most important thing about this whole deal: the M's are trading a guy who's expensive and worthless and getting a guy who's expensive and talented. Milton Bradley may not work out here, but Carlos Silva was guaranteed to provide nothing for the next two years. Bradley has upside. A lot of it. Jack has found a way to turn Silva's albatross of a contract into something that could help the team considerably. That's amazing. That's amazing! By spending ~nothing, we've just improved by anywhere from zero to like three or four wins.
- WHAT
- It's important, again, to emphasize Bradley's downside. He's injury-prone. He's coming off a down year. And, most notably, he's known to be a bit of a malcontent. There is no guarantee that this works out well, and if Bradley blows up, it could very well damage the team. But as for talent, he's a good find, and as for personality, there's no more supportive atmosphere than the one the Mariners seem to have built for themselves. If Bradley goes sour, that's a real problem. But if the M's and Wakamatsu handle this well, then there's no telling how much Bradley could produce. Bradley's range of possible outcomes is much broader than Silva's, and dips into the red, but because of all the potential good (and because we could just, y'know, cut him if he sucks), this is nothing short of a remarkable deal.
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as a cubs fan I am not pumped to get silva
but it means getting rid of bradley, so now its more of an…. eh whatever
CUBS WIN CUBS WIN CUBS WIN
by GarlicFryCubFan on Dec 18, 2009 10:15 AM PST reply actions
Should've just cut him
This is pointless for you.
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 18, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Won't it help the Cubs save face, just a little?
If Silva ends up producing anything at all it’s a positive over just eating Bradley’s contract. That’s a pretty fat IF though.
by lemonverbena on Dec 18, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
nope...
it still makes the Cubs look incompetent, and cheap for not signing Mike Cameron whether or not they did this deal and just had to cut Bradley.
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by jameslcrockett on Dec 18, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
absolutely
especially when we don’t have a GM like Jack Zduriencik who can take advantage of saving $3mil per year.
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by jameslcrockett on Dec 18, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
This is us taking your talented asshole and sending you our near-useless asshole.
Have fun.
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it's really...
Jack Zduriencik bending Jim Hendry over a barrel once again. I am begging the Cubs to never, ever get involved in a deal with the Mariners ever again.
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by jameslcrockett on Dec 18, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Fortunately for the M's I think Hendry will probably see Jack in a better light
Thus making future deals more likely.
ummm...
who said I cared what Hendry thought about him? I’m hoping he’s not running the team much longer. Even if we get another GM… I still don’t want the Cubs making another deal with Zduriencik.
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by jameslcrockett on Dec 18, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
KGJ is looking forward to the challenge of turning Milton Bradley into a ticklish cuddly bear by season's end.
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The ONLY rumor that was shot down by our FO this winter is their interest in Bradley
it struck me as odd then, and I’ve been biting my nails for something like this since. A switch hitting DH/OF who comes at minimal cost and no roster space? Holy shit yes.
Thank god the Rays had no need of Bradley.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 10:17 AM PST reply actions
They did, which is the weirdest thing
by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
I'm still kind of reeling...
First he gets Lee for not much, then he turns shit into not shit.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe I'm missing something...
But is Pat Burrell really all that terrible? Last year was definitely an outlier, besides the year after he got his big contract from the Phillies. Not to mention he was battling injuries. I still think I’d rather have Burrell than Bradley?
"Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism." -Kenny Powers
Bradley's a better bat and a better outfielder I think
Burrell get points for durability and not being a shithead. So, I dunno. Maybe they couldn’t take on the extra money.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
They Rays could not afford to take on the extra salary for next year. They're already over budget for this year.
And as for Burrell not being a shithead, he’s not well liked by his teammates in Tampa.
Tools Whore
I figured it was a budget thing
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
I'm all for Bradley in that scenario.
Burrell = power righty bat with no defensive value
Bradley = power switch-hitter with a modicum of defensive value
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Unbelievable
Seriously. I don’t believe this will happen. It just can’t.
Can it? Please?
LOVE LOVE LOVE this deal
The character issues are real. No getting around it. But as Jeff said, we just paid ZERO for at least a couple of wins if everything works out.
Unbelievable.
Visting Giants fan here
I wish we had your GM :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Was echoing the sentiment
I’m glad I can see what a real GM does up close, while Brian Sabean kicks the tires on Scotty Pods.
Jack has only been GM for about a year
But, he has changed the the entire club already. He is so well prepared that he has several things going on at a time. If something doesn’t work out, he doesn’t panic. He just goes onto the next item. He is good.
I posted this before he explained. He just did in a really strange way and it confused me.
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I excel at confusion.
And the very real prospect of Sabean making a reactionary singing to this deal gives me heartburn.
That said, I’m very much looking forward to watching this M’s team.
Word
The way the Mariners now run things have made them my favorite team (outside of the Giants) to follow.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
Jack Z is so amazing
I bet he’ll sign his own extension for millions below his market value.
by zeeehjee on Dec 18, 2009 10:21 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
Who did we sacrafice to the Baseball gods to make this happen?
I cannot fucking believe this!
Carlos Silvelite
Maybe we finally sacrificed the memory of 1995.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 18, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Heh, I did too.
I was fucking pissed they couldn’t get Dave’s call in there for The Double.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 18, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Not on a happy.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
We sacrificed every season post 2001...
by sirbrianwilson on Dec 18, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Fuck the A's and their 20 game win streak
Against the worst teams in the league at that time, grrr.
Carlos Silvelite
I remember that.
Couldn’t believe me eyes.
Holmgren would have drafted Crabtree.
by Fearless Frog on Dec 18, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
It was SUPER awesome for me
I was 14 years old and had just moved to the Bay Area. Oh was that ever fun.
Carlos Silvelite
By the way, Jeff
regarding Bradley’s downside… I remember when he signed his contract everybody wanted him here, and while his deal isnt a bargain exactly we all (or most) thought it was reasonable, despite the injuries and bad attitude. Year one wasn’t great, but its why he’s being paid 21/2 nd not 65/4 right?
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 10:26 AM PST reply actions
Two switch hitters!
Finally!
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
.266/.365/.431 from the left.
I’ll take it.
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I may be giving Bradley more credit than he's worth.. But I would think
the temperament of our coaches, and our clubhouse would be a good thing for Bradley.
This guy owned the division two years ago.
Im thrilled about this. We just added a potentially stud bat without tapping into our remaining payroll flexibility
This is an elementary question, I know, but how much money do we still have in our payroll for the year?
by sirbrianwilson on Dec 18, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
More money than we did
If they swap straight up Bradley is owed 9 while Silva was owed 11.5
by Brian Floyd on Dec 18, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
This was before we knew we were giving up money
by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
It was somewhere between 10-15 million, so yes, I overstated it
But not by a whole lot
by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, no.
I added the money saved from moving Silva in
by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
I'm still confused.
According to Stark the Mariners will send 9 million dollars with Silva, 3 million in 2010 to cover the salaray difference then 6 million over the next 2 years in payroll relief to the Cubs…
So that means we pay the Cubs $3 million this year, $3 million in 2011, and $3 million in 2012?
Very well could be
Stark made it sound like it was $6M this year and $3M next
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe "the next two years" means 2010 and 2011, though.
I’m pretty sure that’s the case after re-reading it.
Well, it would benefit us because we get more budget room this year,
but it certainly makes zero sense on the Cubs part.
Eh, true
I still think it’s a 6mil/3mil split over the next two years though, the Cubs don’t get any additional money this year if it’s 3mil per year over the next 3.
Not that it's the same coaches or anything
But we did manage to have Crazy Carl Everett and Jose Guillen on the team (in different years) without much turmoil.
MOAR POWA!
Sorry, had to say it.
On a 1-10 scale of transaction perfection where 10 is trading a PTBNL for Albert Pujols,
Jeff could have said “10 is trading Silva for anything”.
This is a 10. I can’t wait for the season to start.
How can we lose?
We weren’t gonna play Silva at all. If Bradley doesn’t work out, or is a cancer, cut his malcontent ass and we are in the same place as if we were still in Silvaville. I love me some Z!
Emerald City Funk Machine
More apparent confirmation, albeit via MLBTradeRumors:
Sources confirm Milton Bradley headed to Mariners for Carlos Silva — merry christmas #cubs fans
Yeah, I'm going to actually go to Opening Day for the first time in YEARS.
When do single-game tickets go on sale?
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 18, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
They usually start selling at FanFest
which is set for January 30th.
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 18, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
I thought it automatically renewed once the season started?
Fuck Anaheim.
by Eyeball Kid on Dec 18, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
I called and cancelled my subscription for next year..
In case something terrible happened in the off-season (i.e. Felix leaving).
Oh Jack.. you sand baggin’ son of a bitch.
I've never had one.
But now I think I’m going to get one.
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by JY on Dec 19, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
WOW. Shit. I still can't believe this might happen.
For two years, “The Silva Deal” was a source of shame and angst.
Now ’The Silva Deal" can be a source of pride and childlike glee. This makes me want to hug people.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 10:35 AM PST reply actions
I like that Rotoworld blurb about Brandon Morrow.
If the last week is any indication, we’re trading Morrow for Albert Pujols, Colby Rasmus, and Adam Wainwright.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
by OlSalty on Dec 18, 2009 10:37 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Incredible
My only fear is that we reach a point where GMs refuse to trade with Jack Z cause he’s so damn awesome
True, but they have their guard up.
When you get a reputation for “winning” every trade, people will work harder to make sure they aren’t labeled as “got screwed by Z”.
Still, it’s hard to balance a sure short term gain (winning a trade) with a harder to define long term benefit (keeping other GMs willing to trade with you).
Maybe but most people are saying that all the other GM's have a tremendous amount of respect for him and love doing business with him at this time
I don’t see it happening.
Kevin Pritchard, he GM of the Portland Trailblazers had a similar run.
One of the local media started labeling other GMs as being “Pritchslapped” after trading with Portland. It seems like that term really was the tipping point in making other GMs less willing to trade with KP. That and KP can be pretty abrasive.
yeah
my comment was mostly tongue-in-cheek, but if the Mariners win 90+ games next year and the internet baseball nerd community worships at the feet of GMZ, then I think he will have the attention of other GM’s.
I'm not too worried about this
GM’s have generally gotten what they wanted out of deals with GMZ. The Phillies have Halladay signed and are coming in on budget. The Mets got their (theoretical) 8th inning guy in Putz. The Cubs are dumping the guy they want to dump. People seem to, if anything, really like dealing with Jack.
by spikefriedman on Dec 18, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
There are still several incompetent gm's
You just have to pick and choose your spots to exploit teams.
Not sure this exists, because people tend to have high opinions of themselves
But there is a reverse. Chris Wallace lost the Pau Gasol trade so bad with the Lakers, that he basically is frightened to make any other trades. He only asks for unreasonable returns now.
I think the high point of his career may have been signing a 4-year/ 48million dollar contract..
Fuck Anaheim.
by Eyeball Kid on Dec 18, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Drayer via twitter:
“Just received confirmation, deal is official. Silva to the Cubs for Bradley.”
Say it with me: Washington Capitals. Capitals.
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
My flabber has never been this gasted.
Fuck Anaheim.
by Eyeball Kid on Dec 18, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
My swaggle has never been so horny.
Wait, am I doing this right?
by PDXTai on Dec 18, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
So does this mean no money was exchanged?
by sirbrianwilson on Dec 18, 2009 10:41 AM PST reply actions
Heyman twitter:
SI_JonHeyman on si.com: bradley-silva deal has been agreed to. mariners will send $6 million over 2 years to chicago
Feck.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 18, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Whatever
It’s still a really good deal, you get Milton Bradley for 1.5mil a year.
Either pay Bradley or Silva, take your choice
Emerald City Funk Machine
by blackvanilla on Dec 18, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
I've probably really misunderstood, somewhere
I thought after his 4yr contract the Mariners could opt to pay $2m to forfeit any further contract with Silva.
If that was the case then that obligation passes to Chicago.
Except that I’ve probably horribly misunderstood.
It's part of the $25M owed to Silva taken on by the Cubs, yes.
I don’t really get where the buyout affects this year though
by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Well, since this seems confusing
Bradley: $9M in 2010, $12M in 2011
Silva: $11.5M in 2010, $11.5M in 2011, $2M buyout
by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
NEVER. QUESTION. JACK.
NEVER.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 10:43 AM PST reply actions
We didn't miss out on Nick Johnson
Jack Zduriencik is an alchemist.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
I'm starting to think that if Jack doesn't acquire someone who makes complete sense for the team, it's because he's got something at least as good already cooking.
Say it with me: Washington Capitals. Capitals.
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I have to say that if I were Nick Johnson
and had a chance to go to the new Yankee stadium or Safeco on a one year deal I’d choose the former. It’s really kind of hard for us to get a slugger to come here on a one year deal unless no one else wants him or unless we’re willing to offer him a lot more, like a 2nd year.
Expletive Nick Johnson
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
For LH pull sluggers
NYS is not that much better than Safeco. But the near certainty of getting into the postseason (or so the Yankees renewed mystique would have you believe) is a factor, especially for someone who has been stuck with the Nationals and Marlins and may be fearing the looming end to a star-crossed career.
by wandergeist on Dec 18, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
NEVA EVA.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 18, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
you're right
screw that Ichiro guy as well, hes no good.
by Hancock.Brett on Dec 18, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
This really does make it more likely we get Beltre I think.
We just filled one of the two positions we absolutely had to for no extra expenditure, so there should be plenty of money in the budget to add beltre and still pick up someone like luke scott.
Well, not exactly nothing
$3 MM, apparently
by nathaniel dawson on Dec 18, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
THE LINE TO FELLATE Z STARTS BEHIND ME
by craig3410 on Dec 18, 2009 10:47 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'd say fat guys don't have any problem panning out in Chicago.
I mean, Weis was being rumored as the Bears next OC, why else but for the Pizza?
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Felix, Ichiro, Lopez, relievers
Am I missing anyone?
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Or you mean good?
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
So, we're division favorites now, right?
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 10:49 AM PST reply actions
Jack is on with Brock and Salk in 10 minutes
PREPARE THE OFFERINGS
Hate to burst everyone's bubble
But I’m pretty sure Silva still has to pass a physical.
I'm confident.
Silva is quite the physical specimen.
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Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
Remember he does yoga.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
I'm pretty sure he means Yogurt
Frozen. With sprinkles and chocolate sauce.
Its official
they’ve announced the deal
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Cash headed to the Cubs in the deal
Cubs just announced they acquired RHP Carlos Silva and cash from the Seattle Mariners for outfielder Milton Bradley.
I'll add some via Western Union if it helps!
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Dec 18, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
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In a press release of their own, the Cubs say they’re getting cash from the Mariners as part of the deal. Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune says the M’s are sending $9MM to Chicago, which would save the Cubs $6MM. Jon Heyman of SI.com says the Cubs get $6MM in the deal.
by lemonverbena on Dec 18, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
The $6M seems more plausible but we'll see
$6M would cover the salary difference plus the $2M buyout the Ms had for Silva’s option that Stone reported, right?
I see
Stone reported originally that there was a $4M difference, now he’s saying that it’s only a $3M difference.
So I guess either at $6M or $9M the M’s are paying some to the Cubs for the talent diffrerential.
Cheap deal
I mean we’re talking about a pitcher with a career opponent batting average ABOVE .300, not a lot of talent there.
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Makes it better for the Cubs
It’s still not a great deal but they can look at it as a reclamation project + $$. If they’d already decided they were going to release him, then this is a better deal for them. I’m guessing that’s what separated the Ms from TB.
Stone said:
“The money remaining on both contracts is similar. Bradley has $22 million left on his contract (not $21 million as earlier reported) — $9 million in 2010, $13 million in 2011. Silva has $25 million remaining”
That’s where I’m getting the $3M
A bag of turds is more useful than Silva.
At least you can fertilize your crops with the bag of turds. Silva would just eat the dirt.
by 13194013 on Dec 18, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Whom is stupid enough to take him?
The Mets?
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No Salk today.
Damn.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 18, 2009 10:58 AM PST reply actions
Z on 710 right now.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 18, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
A quick summary afterwards would be excellent and much appreciated for those of us w/o access to a radio.
:)
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Streaming?
http://www.mynorthwest.com/streams/streampop_espn.php
Fuck Anaheim.
by Eyeball Kid on Dec 18, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
At school. Can't install silverlight.
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo, Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
Click on the Windows Media Player icon
below the silverlight- it opens a separate player.
Mariners fan in Anaheim
These computers don't have WMP, either.
It’s like prison.
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo, Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
It runs inside Firefox for me, as long as I use the IE Tab.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 18, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
your computer rapes you in the shower and stabs you with a stolen cafeteria fork?
by pdb on Dec 18, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Essentially said that Bradley is very excited to be in Seattle.
People were emailing/texting the radio station expressing their love for Jack, and he of course was very humble about the praise.
Mentioned that Griffey was likely to make Bradley the butt of many of his jokes/pranks to try to make him feel more at home.
Praised the ownership for being receptive to his ideas.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 18, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Makes me wonder had KGJ not been re-signed
If we would have pulled the trigger on this deal
Always best to prank a human time bomb
What could go wrong!
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 18, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Additionally, he said that Bradley would be playing "some DH and some LF."
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 18, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
I'm starting to think that Saunders is going to get traded.
by Manzanillos Cup on Dec 18, 2009 11:01 AM PST reply actions
along with Morrow for Adrian Gonzalez
Sorry for the rosterbating
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
You mean there might actually be people on base
when Branyan goes yard?
We still have Johnson, Wilson, Lopez, and no 1B yet
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 18, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Lopez could post a league average OBP if his BABIP returns to 2008 levels
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
The best thing Silva did for this team last year
Get hurt.
Even better is that he’s leaving.
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Going to the playoffs will make everything better
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
Felix likes winning ballgames
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
The extra mass will push that to three months.
Say it with me: Washington Capitals. Capitals.
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
I continue to be astounded at being on the right side of these deals.
It still feels weird, but so good!
Griffey!
Yeah I mean, not even Gillick
Could put together trades this good, as much as he did a lot of other things right.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I think Griffey is going to have a long talk with Bradley
About being a good teammate. And I think it will work out well once he does.
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from the Piniella/Bradley contretemps last year.
According to sources, Piniella then shouted at Bradley, "You’re not a player! You’re a piece of sh–!"
Bradley then said, "I have too much respect for you to respond to that," a source said.
Piniella and Bradley was a marriage made in hell
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If that's all he said
That’s pretty weak for Pinella, he should have at least chucked a base at his head.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Maybe more.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 18, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
What?
Say it with me: Washington Capitals. Capitals.
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
No no I'm just thinking out loud
We filled the DH spot for nothing, frees up some money
That would most certainly kill Dave Niehaus
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
by InSpokane on Dec 18, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
FREEDOM!

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Dec 18, 2009 11:17 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
So, Langerhans + Bradley on the team.
I wonder if Saunders + Morrow is a package deal for something…
Seems likely
they seem set for a Bradley/Hall/Langerhans three headed monster at DH/LF
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
I noticed that as well.
Who is it, anyway?
Say it with me: Washington Capitals. Capitals.
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
Griffey, Figgins, Hall, Snell and now Bradley
Presenting GM Jay-Z

h/t: Robert for the reference
by Matthew on Dec 18, 2009 11:22 AM PST reply actions 18 recs
And gigantic?
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Dec 18, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
OH MY FUCKING GOD.
JACK Z – THE ALCHEMIST!
by EnglishMariner on Dec 18, 2009 11:22 AM PST reply actions
CARLOS SILVA. FOR MILTON BRADLEY?!?!?!? ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME?!?!?
WHY DO PEOPLE EVEN TRADE WITH JACK Z ANY MORE???
by EnglishMariner on Dec 18, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
by Aaron Campeau on Dec 18, 2009 11:24 AM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Goobye Carlos
It was a great run. All the trips to the DL, the bleacher shots given to the opponents, the missing food… I wish you the best in ChiTown. The pizza joints have been notified.
Gritty... that's the term I think of when I see Jack Wilson play. Gritty
by A Steamy Day in Cleveland on Dec 18, 2009 11:24 AM PST reply actions
Jack Z is The Wolf from Pulp Fiction
There is no problem he can’t solve, no mess he can’t clean up. Woo hoo!
by njpozner on Dec 18, 2009 11:25 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Can I pile on this Goosey?
FUCK YOU, CARLOS SILVA, FOR ALL THE NIGHTS I WATCHED YOU PITCH AWFULLY AT 3AM IN THE MORNING, YOU PIECE OF SHIT.
by EnglishMariner on Dec 18, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Not that it means anything
but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Silva do well in the NL Central
How much of a downgrade is Silva looking at park effect and defense wise?
Enough to offset the lesser talent in the NL?
Pray for wind blowing in
That’s what I’d do if I were him. That place is a launching pad at all other times but when the wind is coming there is no carry, even less than in most parks in similar situations.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
We finally salted the snail.
With the snail being Carlos Silva.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 18, 2009 11:32 AM PST reply actions
Jim Hendry: officially more retarded than Out of the Park Baseball
by craig3410 on Dec 18, 2009 11:33 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
We don't really have confirmation of that
by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Jayson Stark
6M this year, 3M next it appears
Bradley is earning 3mil less than Silva this year
So it cuts 3mil out of the remaining 10-15mil (whatever it is) we have remaining. So between 7-12 mil left with a hole at 1B, and still most of our best trade chips intact.
Holliday's out unless we expand payroll though
by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Not going to speculate on that sort of thing
by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
Possibly, but there's still other holes to fill.
I doubt they want to lock all that payroll space up on Holliday.
Not 100% sure, but it's about a 3M hit on our payroll for 2010
so should leave us about 10M left
And it's a pretty big hit on next season's, too.
by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
It's still not bad
It’s just not an outright theft
2.5M on next year's.
Milton makes 12, Silva 12.5
Silva's at 11.5 next year with a 2M buyout per Cot's
by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Is that weirdly deferred or something?
by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
But I also forgot about the buyout
So Silva in 2011 represents almost 14M
The buyout affects the 2012 payroll, surely?
by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Surely you aren't trying to make sense of creative accounting are you?
I took a lot of higher math, and now write accounting software; but the tricks they do leave me utterly confused.
Who knows. It's not surely anything.
But regardless of what year, it’s money that has to be spent.
Dang, we are sending them $6 Million!?
Makes the deal less good. Now we have to get something from Milton Bradley to make it worth it. We cant just cut him if he acts up.
$9MM
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 18, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
We have what 2 years on his current deal?
Not bad at all.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Think of it this way
Silva is a sunk cost. We just cut him, and then signed MB to a 2yr/$6mil contract. You wouldn’t make that move?
by arbeck77 on Dec 18, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You're forgetting the comedy value of watching Silva pitch for the cubs.
That’s got to be worth a couple of $Mil, right?
Until he three-hits the Cardinals
because the Cardinals are comically bad against slopball pitchers.
Maybe it's my warped sense of humor but,
I would get as big a kick out of Silva 3-hitting the Cardinals (giving up 3 Pujols HRs) as I would him giving up 7ER in 2.0IP
We can still cut him
The additional money over the difference in their contracts isn’t that absurd
We will be paying approx. $1 million per win over the course of the contract.
You should be building a shrine to Jack instead of feeling bad, because he has pulled off a masterstroke, again.
by EnglishMariner on Dec 18, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
IF he works out.
Which is a big IF. But the upside potential is good.
No.
It’s already worked out.
Literally, there’s no downside here. None.
If he screws up badly such that they have to cut him or not play him, there is downside.
But I do not expect this.
Yeah, but then what you have lost if that happens?
Carlos Silva was not an asset.
With Silva, you get nothing
With Bradley, you might get nothing, you might get something, and it might even be good. Where’s the downside? Worst case you were getting nothing either way.
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Worst case also means an extra $9 MM thrown away
Or maybe 6, I don’t know whther either figure has been confirmed yet. This is not a slam dunk by any means. Bradley’s got both an injury history and a behavioral history. This is still a gamble on the M’s part.
by nathaniel dawson on Dec 18, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
$6M lost, since the first $3M covers the salary difference
I think I’m OK with this gamble. This is like placing a $5 bet to win $50 and you have an 85% chance of winning
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Actually,
unless Cot’s is wrong or the report is wrong, it looks like we’re paying an extra $5 MM.
Silva: 11.5, 11.5, +2 = 25
Bradley: 9, 12, +9 = 30
by nathaniel dawson on Dec 18, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Yup, you're right
forgot about Silva’s buyout.
Which of course makes this even better, since the buyout was a sunk cost as well
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
At least we are rid of Silva.
This deal is a risk but at least there is upside potential.
Whoa
Days before the start of the 2004 season, he was traded to the Los Angeles Dodgers for prospects Franklin Gutierrez and Andrew Brown, following an altercation with Indians manager Eric Wedge
Crazy connection.
I hope they have Bradley batting third.
1) Ichiro
2) Figgins
3) Bradley
4) Branyan?
That’s quite a nice top of the line up.
by EnglishMariner on Dec 18, 2009 11:36 AM PST reply actions
And puts Griffey as a spot pinch-hitter
Rather than making him play every day. That’s the best use for Griffey at this point.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I expect Griffey to pretty much pinch-hit for the catcher or Jack Wilson every night.
Not a bad deal for Junior at this point in his career.
Yeah, but he's fragile plus we have Sauders
So he’s probably only playing the field in NL games, or when Ichiro gets half a day off
So we lose out on Harden, and instead trade not a whole lot for Cliff Lee.
Then we lose out on Johnson and trade our worst contract, and the last remaining stain of Bill Bavasi, for Milton Bradley.
Quick! Somebody sign Branyan from out under our noses!
All Hail Zduriencik!
Depending on how you feel
Lopez could be a stain too. I’m not making that argument, but it could be made.
Lopez is a league average player still under team control for less than he is worth.
Thats an asset.
by ARock on Dec 18, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not out of the realm of possibility that Lopez could take a step forward offensively.
He is entering into his prime years now.
by Manzanillos Cup on Dec 18, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
He really can't go any further forward until he learns to take a walk
which has nothing to do with his physical prime. I wouldn’t be expecting anything.
Agreed.
I was thinking maybe a higher batting average with the same amount of power might be a possibility.
by Manzanillos Cup on Dec 18, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Hope he is the primary DH. No need to risk his healthy putting him in the outfield.
Let the man DH and do what he does best (baseball wise).
It seems there are a lot of people assuming he's going to be our starting left fielder
And I’m not sure why.
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo, Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
Who's gonna be playing LF then? Do we continue with Michael Saunders? We are assuming Griffey is gonna DH
4th OF
If you pinch hit for Saunders, he comes in. He plays center when Gutti needs a day, right when Ichiro needs a day.
I'd just like to take a moment to reflect
We are currently arguing that we have too many flexible useful players.
I like Saunders and would have no issue with him being our primary LF.
You could use Bradley or Hall in LF on the days there is a real tough lefty out there.
Why when there was a tough lefty out there?
If you wanted to put a right-handed hitter in to get a platoon advantage, why wouldn’t you do it against all left-handers?
by nathaniel dawson on Dec 18, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think Saunders is hopeless vs lefties, and I still think developing him as a player
is important. I don’t want to platoon a 22 year old kid like Saunders all year.
Reminds me of the Reed/WFB un-platoon in CF in '06
Fuck you Mike Hargrove!
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
by appleshampoo on Dec 18, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
Looks like Bradley is a -5 Left Fielder, based on 2009.
But some of his previous years are better than that, showing positive UZR.
He looks non-terrible, might even be about a league average corner outfielder?
Back to back knee surgeries...
I would not be surprised to see him at -5 or worse.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Best offseason ever!
All Hail Zduriencik!
by Goose on Dec 18, 2009 11:47 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Given Bradley and Langerhans, do we keep Saunders in AAA?
Let him develop more and save his service years? Seems like the way to go. I dont really want to see him traded, I think he will be great in a couple years.
Langerhans is a fourth outfielder, and Bradley shouldn't be in the field
So unless Saunders can’t hit, no.
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M O O N SPELLS HAPPY FAN
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Dec 18, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I just woke up to find this and yeaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Considering we heard the front office claim they didn’t want Bradley, this makes me think of Z as Danny Ocean: He’s both a liar and a thief.
I Zjackulated here at my office desk.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 6-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 10-4
I would Zjackulate here at school but I'd probably get suspended if I got caught
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo, Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
So, what this means is..
Instead of paying Carlos Silva and Beluga Tits $20+ million like we did in 2008 and 2009, we’re giving that money to Cliff Lee and Milton Bradley.
by eponymous_coward on Dec 18, 2009 12:08 PM PST reply actions
I think that Jack Z saw Dave's 2010 offseason plan that he called "within the realm of possibilities"
and said “fuck it, I can two-up that, not just one-up”
http://ussmariner.com/2009/10/20/daves-2010-off-season-plan/
But... but... I don't even know how to be a happy Mariners fan. Nevermind an over the moon happy Mariners fan.
I am … I just… I don’t know what to do.
Lou Piniella called this guy at piece of shit, and Derek Lee couldn't get this guy
fit into a great clubhouse that won 98 games in 2008. And the guy called the Cubs fans racists, when all they endured is 101 years of futility. So what makes you think Wak can handle Bradley, Ken Griffey Jr. can get him fit into the clubhouse, and him not calling everyone in Seattle racist?
What does the fact that the Cubs "endured 101 years of futility" have to do with Bradley calling fans racist?
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo, Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
Because the Cubs fans are NOT racists.
I live 1/2 miles from Wrigley, and I haven’t met one racist cubs fan in my life.
Harry started out as a White Sox announcer.
He’s a white sox fan deep down.
He never met him though!
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Dec 18, 2009 12:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
So?
He’s never MET them. So in his world they don’t exist. Hence no racist cubs fans.
by insidetheparker on Dec 18, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
Cool story
so who’s playing you in ESPN’s remake of this
by JBell523 on Dec 18, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not that it matters, but my Grampa was a racists Cubs fan.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
The best thing I saw on the BCB board
Was someone saying they were going to come to Seattle for the interleague game to heckle MB. Maybe him calling the fands negative wasn’t too far out of line?
Who the fuck cares?
if he does all that, you can always cut him. There’s no downside here.
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Why would Milton Bradley give a damn about the Cubs' poor history?
I wish more players would rip on fans.
Who cares?
We’re not into him for a huge amount of money and it’s clear that pretty much every other club in baseball is fed up with him.
We have a small media market here compared to most teams, it’s his chance to get out of the spotlight.
That is the biggest worry I have about this deal
Bradley is either going to be a slam dunk home run or the angry injured asshole that makes everyone hate coming to the ballpark.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Yeah, but if he's an injured asshole bringing everyone else down
you just cut him! You have nothing to lose.
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
I know it’s been said already but there really is no downside to this move. Or to any move that’s happened this week.
Fuck Anaheim.
by Eyeball Kid on Dec 18, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Well, the Cliff Lee trade has downside
but in relation to the awesome upside, who gives a shit?
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
People say that, but if that mentality was true
Silva would have been cut…
As much as people say it is a sunk cost, it is very hard to stop with the whole escalation of commitment idea.
If Bradley becomes the injured asshole that everyone hates, IF he gets cut it is next offseason and not before.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Silva wasn't being an asshole last year, and if you're gonna pay the guy that much, you might as well try to get some value of him as a long reliever or such
with Bradley, yeah, you’re totally right that he might actually hurt the clubhouse and be a little bitch, unlike 2009 Silva, but in that case, there’s a full year less left on the contract than cutting Silva last year, and I can’t imagine Jack Z putting up with something that’s actively hurting the club rather than simply being an expensive, shitty annoyance.
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
No no no, I think it's reasonable to assume that Zduriencik and Wakamatsu are going to completely lose control of the club.
Just a fucking madhouse on the field and in the locker room.
Maybe he'll call the press down and have a very forced, awkward, expletive filled tirade!
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Dec 18, 2009 12:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well yeah but when you're rational it takes the fun out of everything
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo, Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
Ask anyone and they will tell you I am nothing but pure, unfiltered fun.
So I deny your premise.
by Matthew on Dec 18, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Hey man you're preachin to the choir
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo, Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
If he plays well he can be as much of a cunt as he likes
I don’t see the other players being too bothered if they’re winning most nights.
Fuck Anaheim.
by Eyeball Kid on Dec 18, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Mariners fans are much less annoying than Cubs fans
Half of them, I’m sure, will have no idea who Milton Bradley is or where he came from, but will be sure to make extremely clever ‘Monopoly’ jokes to each other in the stands.
Isn't his team the Mariners?
I think we got better
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, I am a Cubs fan as well.
Don’t get me wrong, I understand the upside of this move for the Mariners. But I don’t think the Cubs got worse. Bradley was a very bad clubhouse influence that most of his teammates don’t want him back. See Aramis Ramirez comment regarding whether Bradley would be welcome back to the clubhouse after the Cubs supsended him for the season with pay in late September. None of his teammate supported him, and no one thinks Bradley could come back in 2010. It’s a case where if no one takes Bradley, the Cubs will simply cut him. He’s that bad of a club house influence in 2009. But if he plays like he did in Texas in 2008, where he led the AL in OPS, then it’s a steal for the M’s. On the other hand, Silva will probably get the 5th starter job vacant by Harden’s departure. On the field, the Cubs got worse, but in the club house, the Cubs just got a whole lot better.
Silva... good in the clubhouse?
Wow. Ok!
by seattlesundevil on Dec 18, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Better than Bradley, but that's not saying much
though, if I remember correctly, outside of 2008, Silva’s had a pretty good clubhouse reputation.
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't that happen in 2008?
(I’m just trying to save face now)
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
The Cubs are saddled with so many fucking awful contracts for players in decline it wouldn't surprise me if they sucked next year
And then you’ll see what a great clubhouse guy Silva is, if he is even on the team at that point.
Silva can be a giant ass in the clubhouse, so good luck for that.
He threatened bodily harm to our biggest star.
Really?
When was that?
Holmgren would have drafted Crabtree.
by Fearless Frog on Dec 18, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Why does all locker room drama always involve Ichiro?
Sexson had some beef with him too.
Holmgren would have drafted Crabtree.
by Fearless Frog on Dec 18, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sure jealousy of Ichiro's work ethic and
resentment at his introvertness had a lot to do with it.
"was"
Feels so good to see that….
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
by appleshampoo on Dec 18, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
Hasn't been released who it was
I just got confirmation that it wasn’t Silva, even though that’s who I thought.
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 18, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
He did say something about throwing someone up against a wall
Though he never specifically called out Ichiro
Something about Chief throwing some guys up against a wall?
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 18, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
I always thought it was Yuni that Silva wanted to throw up against the wall
He did make comments about throwing someone up against the wall, but he never specified who it was. A lot of people thought it was Ichiro, but it could have been Lopez or Yuni. I don’t remember the exact circumstances, but I think Yuni let some balls get past him during one of Silva’s starts, and Chef was frustrated with the defense behind him.
That's great, but who are the Chefs?
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Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 18, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Ryan Dempster, before the trade
Dempster said Milton Bradley is a “really, really good guy” despite what the public perception is. Dempster said there were certain things he handled poorly and pointed out the fact Bradley is a better person and teammate than that.
It's simple logic, really.
You are the fan of a team that has not won a World Series in 101 years, ergo, you are not a racist.
by Manzanillos Cup on Dec 18, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If I told you that it was possible that anyone would give up something for
Yuniesky Betancourt and Carlos Silva, everyone would be sending me to the funny farm.
Jack is amazing. We need to erect a statue of Jack in front of Safeco Field.
I already erected a statue.
in my pants.
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 18, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Jack Zduriencik Corcoran
My firstborn son finally has a name
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No Corcobaiting
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He's a pompous douche
He always talks shit about all of ‘his teams’ here in Seattle… Colin Cowherd is the Tom Leykis of sports radio
by Cougriculture on Dec 18, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Cowherd is an asswipe
Holmgren would have drafted Crabtree.
by Fearless Frog on Dec 18, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
His rant about fat people in particular pissed me off.
He’s an elitist fuckface.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Dec 18, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Most of his rants don't even make sense.
They are just bizarre
Holmgren would have drafted Crabtree.
by Fearless Frog on Dec 19, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions
The sky is the limit.
Say it with me: Washington Capitals. Capitals.
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
YES
YES
Holmgren would have drafted Crabtree.
by Fearless Frog on Dec 19, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
We already have a problem in our clubhouse with Bradley
we certainly don’t need any lonely hitters.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And judging by some of the signs Dodgers fans bring to games, James is definitely not lonely
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
I thought you were making a James Bond reference, then I noticed his typo, and now I'm not sure whether or not you were
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo, Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
I know it was in Texas, but Milton Bradley is one year removed from having the highest OPS and OBP in the AL.
SEA!
And the highest OBP/OPS in the AL from Texas is still really damn good anywhere else
this trade is made of awesome
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that's probably not going to happen here
But if we just picked up a 2 win DH/LF for the equivalent of $3m then I’m pretty happy.
.

"You're so beautiful. You could be a part-time model, but you'd probably still have to keep your normal job."
$9M
covering salary differences plus $6M on top
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
$3m this year, then $6m over the next two years
Not sure how those two years are split up.
My favorite part is that we've acquired a talented player despite his chemistry issues.
Which was my only concern that was left about this FO.
Fantastic.
All Hail Zduriencik!
Yes.
I was a little disappointed when I heard that they wanted no part of Bradly because of character issues. That was rumor and appears to have been unfounded, but at the time it made me oh-so-barely question Z.
It is the challenge of a life time for Ken Griffey Jr.
Griffey thought he was playing to be a Hall of Famer, but really it was all practice leading to this moment to change a young man’s life forever. Starring Eddie Murphy as Ken Griffey Jr. and Dennis Quaid as Milton Bradley in “The Milton Bradley Story: ‘FUCK Eric Wedge!’”
by mark sobba on Dec 18, 2009 12:49 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
No. But it might not be the best thing for someone like Bradley.
Maybe horse traquilzers would work better.
good question
And could he still hit on qualudes or vallumn?
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
So I didn't see this mentioned, sorry if it was, but...
The Cubs come to Seattle this year. Wouldn’t it be amazing to see Bradley take Silva deep a time or two?
I've been reading a lot of post about this at various sites, and the concensus seems to be that Silva would be a .5-1 WAR playing in 2010.
Does anyone else feel that this is a little high? The guys stuff is some of the worst I have ever seen. He doesn’t even have a sinker anymore, just a crappy 90 mph fastball, and his CH is below average. He cannot get LH out to save his life. I would project him to be below replacement level.
by EnglishMariner on Dec 18, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry Brett meant for this to be a new comment
by EnglishMariner on Dec 18, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
There is a chance of this.
Probably more cahnce of him being replacement level or worse though.
I could reasonably see him being 1 WAR or so in the NL Central provided he gets back to inducing groundballs and not walking anyone
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, it seems very high to me.
He was tremendously unlucky in 2008, and many expected a rebound in 2009. But in 2009, he was really, actually awful. He deserved every awful result he got. Forget the NL/AL difference, he was not a AAA pitcher last year, and now, coming off of injuries and continued terrible play, he’s supposed to be a .5-1.0 WAR player? Jason Vargas was at 0.4, and I see Vargas’ 09 as the peak, the absolute maximum, that Silva could get in ‘10. Not sure he’d pitch enough to even get to 0.4 WAR….
Now that the excitement has worn off
I don’t love this deal as much as I thought I did.
It feels great to be rid of Silva but he could have been cut. Essentially, the M’s are signing Bradley for 2 years, 6 million dollars. He’s going to have to stay healthy and do a lot with the bat to be worth a couple wins a year at DH. Bradley is cheap but not without his issues.
Not saying this isn’t good, just that it doesn’t make me cream myself like Cliff Lee does.
Bradley only has to be worth 1.5 wins over two years to be worth 2 years and 6M
it adds a potential impact bat, and gives us the hope for some return on the Silva sunk cost. If anything, this trade is even better than the Silva trade.
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I really want to turn this green...
Unintentional comedy cracks me up to no end.
by seattlesundevil on Dec 18, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, but we're paying him like he's a one win player
We just got him for the market value of Willie Bloomquist
by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Two years for $6mil is nothing.
It’s a bargain.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Dec 18, 2009 1:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well, Rev isn't happy
“I cannot put a smiley face on this. Even if they get three moths out of Milton Bradley before he goes bananas, that will be a great three months of production. They were going to eat the cost of stupid Silva anyway so the sunk cost on this is not affected.
Chemistry is overstated, especially when it is a masher supposedly doing the damage in the clubhouse when you don’t want to face that he is doing the damage against US at the plate."
I think the Angels hear footsteps….
If only...
their IF is cost controlled and amazing. Its still tight.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
I think the best thing about this trade...
…is that the Cubs and their fans are sitting around acting like this is a great trade for THEM. If you don’t know you’re being bamboozled, you’ll get bamboozled again. I just hope the rest of the league feels the way Chicago feels about this move.
That's the brilliant thing
Jack Z’s trades have actually made sense for the team on the other end. The Cubs desperately wanted to be rid of Bradley, and the Phillies got to restock their farm system. Likewise, last year, the Mets needed bullpen help and GMZ gave it to them.
The man just has a gift for giving people things that they really shouldn’t want in the first place
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I would be terrified to play serious poker with this guy. You could have a full boat, and he's just sitting there looking at you.
And at the exact moment you push all in, you’d realize he had 4 of a kind.
I think he's a real life Keyser Soze
Little quiet bald guy in the corner nobody notices, but in reality he owns every mutherfucker in the room.
The man just has a gift for giving people things that they really shouldn’t want in the first place
This… if LL ever wants to change its slogan….
They've already 'shopped Bradley into an M's hat if anyone is interested. I always enjoy that first shot of the guy in my team's gear.

Thats exactly how I wear my M's hat ya'all
Seattle is a white town though!
Emerald City Funk Machine
by blackvanilla on Dec 18, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Man that's a pretty poor job
Holmgren would have drafted Crabtree.
by Fearless Frog on Dec 19, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
So, ballparking from Matthew's "Attempt to Quantify the Division" post
here it looks like we’re improving by 1.5-2 wins with this trade, if no other moves are made?
(I’d edge towards the higher end of that because it’s more likely that he’ll take at-bats from Carp at DH who was projected as a 1-win player than Saunders at LF who was projected at 1.5, but who knows.)
That thread is insufferable.
Interesting to see the perspectives, but wow.
...and now I'm here
Which thread was this?
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
by appleshampoo on Dec 19, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
BCB thread about the trade.
They have a community where almost literally a third of them are traditionalists, a third of them recognize advanced stats but only give them mild weight, and a third of them are really into advanced stats. So they are essentially at war with each other in that thread.
...and now I'm here
So do the Mariners have the most black people of any MLB team now?
Griffey, Hall, Snell, and now Bradley. I can’t think of any other teams with more than three.
by I Lick Squirrels on Dec 18, 2009 1:55 PM PST reply actions
Snell isn't black
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Half.
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
by appleshampoo on Dec 18, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
I honestly was thinking the same thing.
A caller on the post game show asked about that a few years ago. I really didn’t think about it again until the Figgins signing and thought “Wow, our team has had so much turn over.” Then I wondered if this will change the marketing at all. Like if two or three of the black players are in one of the Mariner commercials together talking about the up coming season.
This is all a ploy to have Griffey's son tryout for the mariners.
Since according to Griffey the lack of black players is one of the things that turned his apparently uber-talented son off of baseball.
...and now I'm here
Wait a second.
Black guy. DH. Switch hitter. Chemistry problems.
There was once another.
by Manzanillos Cup on Dec 18, 2009 2:06 PM PST reply actions
Quick, ask Bradley what his thoughts are on dinosaurs.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 18, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
Seattle like many a team before it has fallen for the Bradley trap. Bradley isn’t your run of the mill malcontent he’s a team killer malcontent.
If we yield now, all is over; but if we fight, there is yet a hope that we may stand upright
Subject line please.
And yeah we get it
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo, Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
But he's a malcontent that can hit the snot out of the ball so there's that
We didn’t trade for an orphan-adopting kitten-sitter, we traded for a baseball player. And we got a pretty damn good one.
This is a tough one for the the results based analysis crowd
One the one hand “MOAR POWA!”
On the other “OH NOES Clubhouse Chemistry!”
Which will prevail? This is like Celebrity Deathmatch.
My money is on
MOAR POWA! > Clubhouse Chemistry
Remember, you can’t hit dingers with clubhouse chemistry
Texas was fine with Bradley
They just didn’t want to give him a big contract to bring him back
Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org
no no no he's a team killer malcontent!
Don’t let the facts get in the way of a half-assed narrative!
Maybe it will work out for Seattle or more likely he becomes disgruntled and accuse everyone in Seattle of being racists
If we yield now, all is over; but if we fight, there is yet a hope that we may stand upright
They're the reason I root against the Cubs.
Like the Red Sox before them.
Via Baker on twitter
Milton Bradley says getting to play with Griffey is ’’surreal’’. One of two players, along with Barry Bonds, he wanted autograph from.
So that should at least jump-start Junior’s good influence on him.
Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle
On my sheet the team is at 88 wins and with a 0 at 1B still.
The reports I have been reading is that Bradley does fine when the media stays away from him and when the team doesn’t expect him to be part of the clubhouse leadership. If Bradley respects Griffey that is huge to take away Bradley’s biggest fault.
I don't think the team will go with Carp on Opening Day.
So I have: 1B -- 0 WAR 0$
You can put in a 0 or you could put in a minor league player. It really is just your best guess.
88 seems a tad optimistic to me. Going off what Matthew posted the other day, I came up with ~85.25.
Call it a 2 win upgrade at DH
We’re at 86.5 if you do that
by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Quick question on Bradley:
Not having not really paid much attention to Bradley the baseball player, is he a better power hitter from either side?
Everyone seems to be overlooking the biggest dollar factor in this deal
With Silva gone, the Buffet Budget goes back to normal.
Granted, the M’s are sending millions to Chicago to help them cope, but it’s still a net win.
Plus from what I’ve seen of the midwest, Silva-sized meals must be factored into everything from daycare on up.
so far so good
Jack is doing well, even with this latest move, we got rid of a non productive pitcher and took a chance on a malcontent that had better straighten out or his career ANYWHERE will be over!!!!!!! All the other moves are cagey moves, I mean, a potential Cy Young winner for next 5-6 years along side the Cat, good comp. Jack Wilson will play his ass off but may be past his good side, but we have that other Wilson that played so well last year and really hit the ball with power, not this popfly bs. Isn’t Johjima gone now?? I’m pysched for the next move, there are alot of available outfielders still out there-hey Jackt??!!!!!!!!!
First of all, you don't really need seventeen punctuation marks in a row. It makes your comment look like it was written by a 12-year-old.
Secondly, Cliff Lee is not here for the next 5-6 years. He’s signed through 2010, that’s it.
Thirdly, Felix is not ‘the Cat’. No. Never.
Fourthly, Josh Wilson sucks. He really sucks. He sucked last year. He doesn’t hit at all, much less for power.
Fifthly, Yes, Johjima is gone.
"Thirdly, Felix is not 'the Cat'. No. Never."
This really cannot be restated enough.
All Hail Zduriencik!
Josh Wilson was with his sixth or something or other ML team and his three homers were a career high
I would not consider that “hitting for power”
by seattlebruin on Dec 21, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions

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