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Quick Thoughts On The Bradley/Silva Deal

I don't know how much time I'll have to be around the computer today/this weekend, so I might as well address this now:

  • As with the Chone Figgins and Cliff Lee deals, I'm talking about this before it's actually official, so this could still blow up. Keep that in mind and take nothing for granted.

  • Carlos Silva is set to make $25m over the next two years, while Milton Bradley is set to make $21m. Some money would probably change hands in this deal, but they have very similar contracts, so for all intents and purposes the money balances out. This is simply an exchange of what two teams consider to be sunk costs.

  • Bradley didn't have much of a year with the Cubs in 2009, but he did still post a .378 OBP, and his 5/4/3 weighted wOBA projection is .386. He has been an above-average hitter for seven consecutive seasons, and he only turns 32 next April, so it's not like he's approaching the edge of the cliff. He can swing a bat. I don't know exactly what role he would take on with the Mariners, but he would presumably spend a lot of time at DH, which means we have more or less plugged a hole with a good bat for something like $0. That's...who would've ever even thought that was possible?

  • Bradley, however, is not strictly a DH - despite all those injuries (see them here!), he's still a reasonable defensive corner outfielder, meaning he could and would get time in left, presumably to spell Michael Saunders vs. lefties. Of course that's just one way I could see this working out, and I should know better than to try to keep up with this front office. What this comes down to is that, rather than add a pure DH, Z is just adding even more to the roster in the way of flexibility.

  • Carlos Silva is nothing. There's a chance he could go all Jeff Weaver and bounce back a little bit after disappearing from the public eye, but he does absolutely nothing that we couldn't get from at least a half-dozen random minor leaguers already in the system, so he's no loss at all, unless you consider it a negative that Felix is losing a friend. But they'll stay in touch, and something tells me Felix will be okay given everything else that's been going on.

  • Right or wrong, Bradley is perhaps the most well-known alleged clubhouse problem in baseball. The Mariners, meanwhile, supposedly have the most positive and tight-knit clubhouse in the league. If Bradley were to fit anywhere, Seattle makes the most sense, right? And keep in mind that Silva's no saint. I can't predict how Bradley will work here. There's a reason he's available for the low low cost of an expensive fat guy - he didn't pan out the way Chicago hoped he would, for several reasons. But Seattle should provide a soft landing, he'll be away from the crazy media, and given that it's not like he has a consistent history of flipping a tizzy, I feel pretty good about this.

  • I can't believe it. I can't believe Z might be topping the Lee deal. I think he read my post yesterday and took it as a challenge. Touche, Jack. 

  • Most important thing about this whole deal: the M's are trading a guy who's expensive and worthless and getting a guy who's expensive and talented. Milton Bradley may not work out here, but Carlos Silva was guaranteed to provide nothing for the next two years. Bradley has upside. A lot of it. Jack has found a way to turn Silva's albatross of a contract into something that could help the team considerably. That's amazing. That's amazing! By spending ~nothing, we've just improved by anywhere from zero to like three or four wins.

  • WHAT

  • It's important, again, to emphasize Bradley's downside. He's injury-prone. He's coming off a down year. And, most notably, he's known to be a bit of a malcontent. There is no guarantee that this works out well, and if Bradley blows up, it could very well damage the team. But as for talent, he's a good find, and as for personality, there's no more supportive atmosphere than the one the Mariners seem to have built for themselves. If Bradley goes sour, that's a real problem. But if the M's and Wakamatsu handle this well, then there's no telling how much Bradley could produce. Bradley's range of possible outcomes is much broader than Silva's, and dips into the red, but because of all the potential good (and because we could just, y'know, cut him if he sucks), this is nothing short of a remarkable deal.

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as a cubs fan I am not pumped to get silva

but it means getting rid of bradley, so now its more of an…. eh whatever

CUBS WIN CUBS WIN CUBS WIN

by GarlicFryCubFan on Dec 18, 2009 10:15 AM PST reply actions  

Won't it help the Cubs save face, just a little?

If Silva ends up producing anything at all it’s a positive over just eating Bradley’s contract. That’s a pretty fat IF though.

by lemonverbena on Dec 18, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

nope...

it still makes the Cubs look incompetent, and cheap for not signing Mike Cameron whether or not they did this deal and just had to cut Bradley.

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by jameslcrockett on Dec 18, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

absolutely

especially when we don’t have a GM like Jack Zduriencik who can take advantage of saving $3mil per year.

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by jameslcrockett on Dec 18, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

it's really...

Jack Zduriencik bending Jim Hendry over a barrel once again. I am begging the Cubs to never, ever get involved in a deal with the Mariners ever again.

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by jameslcrockett on Dec 18, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

ummm...

who said I cared what Hendry thought about him? I’m hoping he’s not running the team much longer. Even if we get another GM… I still don’t want the Cubs making another deal with Zduriencik.

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by jameslcrockett on Dec 18, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

The ONLY rumor that was shot down by our FO this winter is their interest in Bradley

it struck me as odd then, and I’ve been biting my nails for something like this since. A switch hitting DH/OF who comes at minimal cost and no roster space? Holy shit yes.

Thank god the Rays had no need of Bradley.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 10:17 AM PST reply actions  

I'm still kind of reeling...

First he gets Lee for not much, then he turns shit into not shit.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe I'm missing something...

But is Pat Burrell really all that terrible? Last year was definitely an outlier, besides the year after he got his big contract from the Phillies. Not to mention he was battling injuries. I still think I’d rather have Burrell than Bradley?

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by DKulich44 on Dec 18, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Bradley's a better bat and a better outfielder I think

Burrell get points for durability and not being a shithead. So, I dunno. Maybe they couldn’t take on the extra money.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm all for Bradley in that scenario.

Burrell = power righty bat with no defensive value

Bradley = power switch-hitter with a modicum of defensive value

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by JLProck on Dec 18, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Unbelievable

Seriously. I don’t believe this will happen. It just can’t.

Can it? Please?

by zeeehjee on Dec 18, 2009 10:18 AM PST reply actions  

LOVE LOVE LOVE this deal

The character issues are real. No getting around it. But as Jeff said, we just paid ZERO for at least a couple of wins if everything works out.

Unbelievable.

by tait644 on Dec 18, 2009 10:18 AM PST reply actions  

Visting Giants fan here

I wish we had your GM :(

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by jponry on Dec 18, 2009 10:19 AM PST reply actions  

Was echoing the sentiment

I’m glad I can see what a real GM does up close, while Brian Sabean kicks the tires on Scotty Pods.

by woomikee on Dec 18, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Jack has only been GM for about a year

But, he has changed the the entire club already. He is so well prepared that he has several things going on at a time. If something doesn’t work out, he doesn’t panic. He just goes onto the next item. He is good.

by Coug1990 on Dec 18, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice comment

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by gregrabble on Dec 18, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

What's the problem with it?

He’s just expressing his agreement.

by redwolf75 on Dec 18, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I excel at confusion.

And the very real prospect of Sabean making a reactionary singing to this deal gives me heartburn.

That said, I’m very much looking forward to watching this M’s team.

by woomikee on Dec 18, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Word

The way the Mariners now run things have made them my favorite team (outside of the Giants) to follow.

Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.

by marcello on Dec 18, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Heh, I did too.

I was fucking pissed they couldn’t get Dave’s call in there for The Double.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 18, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Not on a happy.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

by InSpokane on Dec 18, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Fuck the A's and their 20 game win streak

Against the worst teams in the league at that time, grrr.

Carlos Silvelite

by OceanBird on Dec 18, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember that.

Couldn’t believe me eyes.

Holmgren would have drafted Crabtree.

by Fearless Frog on Dec 18, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

It was SUPER awesome for me

I was 14 years old and had just moved to the Bay Area. Oh was that ever fun.

Carlos Silvelite

by OceanBird on Dec 18, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

By the way, Jeff

regarding Bradley’s downside… I remember when he signed his contract everybody wanted him here, and while his deal isnt a bargain exactly we all (or most) thought it was reasonable, despite the injuries and bad attitude. Year one wasn’t great, but its why he’s being paid 21/2 nd not 65/4 right?

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 10:26 AM PST reply actions  

I may be giving Bradley more credit than he's worth.. But I would think

the temperament of our coaches, and our clubhouse would be a good thing for Bradley.

This guy owned the division two years ago.

Im thrilled about this. We just added a potentially stud bat without tapping into our remaining payroll flexibility

by Rudy4three on Dec 18, 2009 10:28 AM PST reply actions  

More money than we did

If they swap straight up Bradley is owed 9 while Silva was owed 11.5

by Brian Floyd on Dec 18, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Wait, no.

I added the money saved from moving Silva in

by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm still confused.

Drayer:

According to Stark the Mariners will send 9 million dollars with Silva, 3 million in 2010 to cover the salaray difference then 6 million over the next 2 years in payroll relief to the Cubs…

So that means we pay the Cubs $3 million this year, $3 million in 2011, and $3 million in 2012?

by Decatur on Dec 18, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Not that it's the same coaches or anything

But we did manage to have Crazy Carl Everett and Jose Guillen on the team (in different years) without much turmoil.

by Nadingo on Dec 18, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

MOAR POWA!

Sorry, had to say it.

On a 1-10 scale of transaction perfection where 10 is trading a PTBNL for Albert Pujols,

Jeff could have said “10 is trading Silva for anything”.

This is a 10. I can’t wait for the season to start.

by PDXTai on Dec 18, 2009 10:31 AM PST reply actions  

How can we lose?

We weren’t gonna play Silva at all. If Bradley doesn’t work out, or is a cancer, cut his malcontent ass and we are in the same place as if we were still in Silvaville. I love me some Z!

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by blackvanilla on Dec 18, 2009 10:33 AM PST reply actions  

More apparent confirmation, albeit via MLBTradeRumors:

Twitter

Sources confirm Milton Bradley headed to Mariners for Carlos Silva — merry christmas #cubs fans

by lemonverbena on Dec 18, 2009 10:34 AM PST reply actions  

I've never had one.

But now I think I’m going to get one.

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by JY on Dec 19, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

WOW. Shit. I still can't believe this might happen.

For two years, “The Silva Deal” was a source of shame and angst.

Now ’The Silva Deal" can be a source of pride and childlike glee. This makes me want to hug people.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 10:35 AM PST reply actions  

I like that Rotoworld blurb about Brandon Morrow.

If the last week is any indication, we’re trading Morrow for Albert Pujols, Colby Rasmus, and Adam Wainwright.

by craig3410 on Dec 18, 2009 10:37 AM PST reply actions  

Incredible

My only fear is that we reach a point where GMs refuse to trade with Jack Z cause he’s so damn awesome

by gilmeche55 on Dec 18, 2009 10:38 AM PST reply actions  

True, but they have their guard up.

When you get a reputation for “winning” every trade, people will work harder to make sure they aren’t labeled as “got screwed by Z”.

Still, it’s hard to balance a sure short term gain (winning a trade) with a harder to define long term benefit (keeping other GMs willing to trade with you).

by PDXTai on Dec 18, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Kevin Pritchard, he GM of the Portland Trailblazers had a similar run.

One of the local media started labeling other GMs as being “Pritchslapped” after trading with Portland. It seems like that term really was the tipping point in making other GMs less willing to trade with KP. That and KP can be pretty abrasive.

by PDXTai on Dec 18, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah

my comment was mostly tongue-in-cheek, but if the Mariners win 90+ games next year and the internet baseball nerd community worships at the feet of GMZ, then I think he will have the attention of other GM’s.

by gilmeche55 on Dec 18, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not too worried about this

GM’s have generally gotten what they wanted out of deals with GMZ. The Phillies have Halladay signed and are coming in on budget. The Mets got their (theoretical) 8th inning guy in Putz. The Cubs are dumping the guy they want to dump. People seem to, if anything, really like dealing with Jack.

by spikefriedman on Dec 18, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

There are still several incompetent gm's

You just have to pick and choose your spots to exploit teams.

by JBell523 on Dec 18, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Not sure this exists, because people tend to have high opinions of themselves

But there is a reverse. Chris Wallace lost the Pau Gasol trade so bad with the Lakers, that he basically is frightened to make any other trades. He only asks for unreasonable returns now.

by arbeck77 on Dec 18, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Heyman twitter:
SI_JonHeyman on si.com: bradley-silva deal has been agreed to. mariners will send $6 million over 2 years to chicago

by Tube on Dec 18, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Feck.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 18, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Noooooo

Oh, fuck it, I don’t care.

by marc w on Dec 18, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Whatever

It’s still a really good deal, you get Milton Bradley for 1.5mil a year.

by OlSalty on Dec 18, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I've probably really misunderstood, somewhere

I thought after his 4yr contract the Mariners could opt to pay $2m to forfeit any further contract with Silva.

If that was the case then that obligation passes to Chicago.

Except that I’ve probably horribly misunderstood.

by MarkE on Dec 18, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, since this seems confusing

Bradley: $9M in 2010, $12M in 2011
Silva: $11.5M in 2010, $11.5M in 2011, $2M buyout

by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

We didn't miss out on Nick Johnson

Jack Zduriencik is an alchemist.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I have to say that if I were Nick Johnson

and had a chance to go to the new Yankee stadium or Safeco on a one year deal I’d choose the former. It’s really kind of hard for us to get a slugger to come here on a one year deal unless no one else wants him or unless we’re willing to offer him a lot more, like a 2nd year.

by mebpenguin on Dec 18, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

For LH pull sluggers

NYS is not that much better than Safeco. But the near certainty of getting into the postseason (or so the Yankees renewed mystique would have you believe) is a factor, especially for someone who has been stuck with the Nationals and Marlins and may be fearing the looming end to a star-crossed career.

by wandergeist on Dec 18, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

NEVA EVA.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 18, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

HOLY SHUCKING FIT!!!!

What an incredible offseason already!

by coolguyrob on Dec 18, 2009 10:44 AM PST reply actions  

I'd say fat guys don't have any problem panning out in Chicago.

I mean, Weis was being rumored as the Bears next OC, why else but for the Pizza?

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Dec 18, 2009 10:47 AM PST reply actions  

Hate to burst everyone's bubble

But I’m pretty sure Silva still has to pass a physical.

by zeeehjee on Dec 18, 2009 10:52 AM PST reply actions  

Its official

they’ve announced the deal

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Cash headed to the Cubs in the deal

Twitter

Cubs just announced they acquired RHP Carlos Silva and cash from the Seattle Mariners for outfielder Milton Bradley.

by lemonverbena on Dec 18, 2009 10:55 AM PST reply actions  

More

MLBTradeRumors

In a press release of their own, the Cubs say they’re getting cash from the Mariners as part of the deal. Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune says the M’s are sending $9MM to Chicago, which would save the Cubs $6MM. Jon Heyman of SI.com says the Cubs get $6MM in the deal.

by lemonverbena on Dec 18, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

The $6M seems more plausible but we'll see

$6M would cover the salary difference plus the $2M buyout the Ms had for Silva’s option that Stone reported, right?

by BFR74 on Dec 18, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I see

Stone reported originally that there was a $4M difference, now he’s saying that it’s only a $3M difference.

So I guess either at $6M or $9M the M’s are paying some to the Cubs for the talent diffrerential.

by BFR74 on Dec 18, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Cheap deal

I mean we’re talking about a pitcher with a career opponent batting average ABOVE .300, not a lot of talent there.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 18, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Makes it better for the Cubs

It’s still not a great deal but they can look at it as a reclamation project + $$. If they’d already decided they were going to release him, then this is a better deal for them. I’m guessing that’s what separated the Ms from TB.

by BFR74 on Dec 18, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Stone said:

“The money remaining on both contracts is similar. Bradley has $22 million left on his contract (not $21 million as earlier reported) — $9 million in 2010, $13 million in 2011. Silva has $25 million remaining”

That’s where I’m getting the $3M

by BFR74 on Dec 18, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

A bag of turds is more useful than Silva.

At least you can fertilize your crops with the bag of turds. Silva would just eat the dirt.

by 13194013 on Dec 18, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions   5 recs

Whom is stupid enough to take him?

The Mets?

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by skywaker9 on Dec 18, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

No Salk today.

Damn.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 18, 2009 10:58 AM PST reply actions  

Essentially said that Bradley is very excited to be in Seattle.

People were emailing/texting the radio station expressing their love for Jack, and he of course was very humble about the praise.

Mentioned that Griffey was likely to make Bradley the butt of many of his jokes/pranks to try to make him feel more at home.

Praised the ownership for being receptive to his ideas.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 18, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Makes me wonder had KGJ not been re-signed

If we would have pulled the trigger on this deal

by JBell523 on Dec 18, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Cool. Thanks.

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by gregrabble on Dec 18, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

The best thing Silva did for this team last year

Get hurt.

Even better is that he’s leaving.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 18, 2009 11:04 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah I mean, not even Gillick

Could put together trades this good, as much as he did a lot of other things right.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 18, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Griffey is going to have a long talk with Bradley

About being a good teammate. And I think it will work out well once he does.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 18, 2009 11:09 AM PST reply actions  

from the Piniella/Bradley contretemps last year.

According to sources, Piniella then shouted at Bradley, "You’re not a player! You’re a piece of sh–!"

Bradley then said, "I have too much respect for you to respond to that," a source said.

by msb on Dec 18, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

If that's all he said

That’s pretty weak for Pinella, he should have at least chucked a base at his head.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 18, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

What?

Say it with me: Washington Capitals. Capitals.
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by JLProck on Dec 18, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Barring Holliday

Branyan, Doumit, and call it an off season

by Poochie on Dec 18, 2009 11:17 AM PST reply actions  

Yup.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

FREEDOM!

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by skywaker9 on Dec 18, 2009 11:17 AM PST reply actions   6 recs

So, Langerhans + Bradley on the team.

I wonder if Saunders + Morrow is a package deal for something…

by craig3410 on Dec 18, 2009 11:18 AM PST reply actions  

Seems likely

they seem set for a Bradley/Hall/Langerhans three headed monster at DH/LF

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 18, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Goobye Carlos

It was a great run. All the trips to the DL, the bleacher shots given to the opponents, the missing food… I wish you the best in ChiTown. The pizza joints have been notified.

Gritty... that's the term I think of when I see Jack Wilson play. Gritty

by A Steamy Day in Cleveland on Dec 18, 2009 11:24 AM PST reply actions  

Jack Z is The Wolf from Pulp Fiction

There is no problem he can’t solve, no mess he can’t clean up. Woo hoo!

by njpozner on Dec 18, 2009 11:25 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

Finally

The future looks bright, and I thought it looked bright at the end of last year.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 18, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

And for the final time:

HAHAHAHAHAHA SEE YEAH SILVA YOU FAT MISERABLE FUCK!

All Hail Zduriencik!

by Goose on Dec 18, 2009 11:30 AM PST reply actions  

Can I pile on this Goosey?

FUCK YOU, CARLOS SILVA, FOR ALL THE NIGHTS I WATCHED YOU PITCH AWFULLY AT 3AM IN THE MORNING, YOU PIECE OF SHIT.

by EnglishMariner on Dec 18, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Not that it means anything

but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Silva do well in the NL Central

by Matthew on Dec 18, 2009 11:31 AM PST reply actions  

Pray for wind blowing in

That’s what I’d do if I were him. That place is a launching pad at all other times but when the wind is coming there is no carry, even less than in most parks in similar situations.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 18, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

We finally salted the snail.

With the snail being Carlos Silva.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 18, 2009 11:32 AM PST reply actions  

Jayson Stark

6M this year, 3M next it appears

by Matthew on Dec 18, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Dang, we are sending them $6 Million!?

Makes the deal less good. Now we have to get something from Milton Bradley to make it worth it. We cant just cut him if he acts up.

by ARock on Dec 18, 2009 11:34 AM PST reply actions  

$9MM

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 18, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

$9M total

$3M to make up the difference in the contracts, and an extra $6M split over two years.

by arbeck77 on Dec 18, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

We have what 2 years on his current deal?

Not bad at all.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 18, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Think of it this way

Silva is a sunk cost. We just cut him, and then signed MB to a 2yr/$6mil contract. You wouldn’t make that move?

by arbeck77 on Dec 18, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Until he three-hits the Cardinals

because the Cardinals are comically bad against slopball pitchers.

by craig3410 on Dec 18, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

*Righthanded slop ball pitchers

It’s what happens when your lineup is 80% right handed

by Poochie on Dec 18, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe it's my warped sense of humor but,

I would get as big a kick out of Silva 3-hitting the Cardinals (giving up 3 Pujols HRs) as I would him giving up 7ER in 2.0IP

by PDXTai on Dec 18, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

We will be paying approx. $1 million per win over the course of the contract.

You should be building a shrine to Jack instead of feeling bad, because he has pulled off a masterstroke, again.

by EnglishMariner on Dec 18, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

IF he works out.

Which is a big IF. But the upside potential is good.

by ARock on Dec 18, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

No.

It’s already worked out.

Literally, there’s no downside here. None.

by Matthew on Dec 18, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but then what you have lost if that happens?

Carlos Silva was not an asset.

With Silva, you get nothing

With Bradley, you might get nothing, you might get something, and it might even be good. Where’s the downside? Worst case you were getting nothing either way.

by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Worst case also means an extra $9 MM thrown away

Or maybe 6, I don’t know whther either figure has been confirmed yet. This is not a slam dunk by any means. Bradley’s got both an injury history and a behavioral history. This is still a gamble on the M’s part.

by nathaniel dawson on Dec 18, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

$6M lost, since the first $3M covers the salary difference

I think I’m OK with this gamble. This is like placing a $5 bet to win $50 and you have an 85% chance of winning

by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually,

unless Cot’s is wrong or the report is wrong, it looks like we’re paying an extra $5 MM.

Silva: 11.5, 11.5, +2 = 25
Bradley: 9, 12, +9 = 30

by nathaniel dawson on Dec 18, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup, you're right

forgot about Silva’s buyout.

Which of course makes this even better, since the buyout was a sunk cost as well

by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

At least we are rid of Silva.

This deal is a risk but at least there is upside potential.

by ARock on Dec 18, 2009 11:36 AM PST reply actions  

Whoa
Days before the start of the 2004 season, he was traded to the Los Angeles Dodgers for prospects Franklin Gutierrez and Andrew Brown, following an altercation with Indians manager Eric Wedge

Crazy connection.

by MT Olson on Dec 18, 2009 11:36 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah, but he's fragile plus we have Sauders

So he’s probably only playing the field in NL games, or when Ichiro gets half a day off

by Poochie on Dec 18, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

So we lose out on Harden, and instead trade not a whole lot for Cliff Lee.

Then we lose out on Johnson and trade our worst contract, and the last remaining stain of Bill Bavasi, for Milton Bradley.

Quick! Somebody sign Branyan from out under our noses!

All Hail Zduriencik!

by Goose on Dec 18, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

4th OF

If you pinch hit for Saunders, he comes in. He plays center when Gutti needs a day, right when Ichiro needs a day.

by arbeck77 on Dec 18, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I like Saunders and would have no issue with him being our primary LF.

You could use Bradley or Hall in LF on the days there is a real tough lefty out there.

by Rudy4three on Dec 18, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Why when there was a tough lefty out there?

If you wanted to put a right-handed hitter in to get a platoon advantage, why wouldn’t you do it against all left-handers?

by nathaniel dawson on Dec 18, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Looks like Bradley is a -5 Left Fielder, based on 2009.

But some of his previous years are better than that, showing positive UZR.

He looks non-terrible, might even be about a league average corner outfielder?

by ARock on Dec 18, 2009 11:45 AM PST reply actions  

Back to back knee surgeries...

 I would not be surprised to see him at -5 or worse.

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Dec 18, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Given Bradley and Langerhans, do we keep Saunders in AAA?

Let him develop more and save his service years? Seems like the way to go. I dont really want to see him traded, I think he will be great in a couple years.

by ARock on Dec 18, 2009 11:47 AM PST reply actions  

Langerhans is a fourth outfielder, and Bradley shouldn't be in the field

So unless Saunders can’t hit, no.

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by gregrabble on Dec 18, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I just woke up to find this and yeaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Considering we heard the front office claim they didn’t want Bradley, this makes me think of Z as Danny Ocean: He’s both a liar and a thief.

by Gihyou on Dec 18, 2009 11:54 AM PST reply actions  

Lou Piniella called this guy at piece of shit, and Derek Lee couldn't get this guy

fit into a great clubhouse that won 98 games in 2008. And the guy called the Cubs fans racists, when all they endured is 101 years of futility. So what makes you think Wak can handle Bradley, Ken Griffey Jr. can get him fit into the clubhouse, and him not calling everyone in Seattle racist?

by brian_sun on Dec 18, 2009 12:12 PM PST reply actions  

Because the Cubs fans are NOT racists.

I live 1/2 miles from Wrigley, and I haven’t met one racist cubs fan in my life.

by brian_sun on Dec 18, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Cool story

so who’s playing you in ESPN’s remake of this

by JBell523 on Dec 18, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Not that it matters, but my Grampa was a racists Cubs fan.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

by InSpokane on Dec 18, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

The best thing I saw on the BCB board

Was someone saying they were going to come to Seattle for the interleague game to heckle MB. Maybe him calling the fands negative wasn’t too far out of line?

by arbeck77 on Dec 18, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Who the fuck cares?

if he does all that, you can always cut him. There’s no downside here.

by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Who cares?

We’re not into him for a huge amount of money and it’s clear that pretty much every other club in baseball is fed up with him.

We have a small media market here compared to most teams, it’s his chance to get out of the spotlight.

by OlSalty on Dec 18, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

That is the biggest worry I have about this deal

Bradley is either going to be a slam dunk home run or the angry injured asshole that makes everyone hate coming to the ballpark.

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Dec 18, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

I know it’s been said already but there really is no downside to this move. Or to any move that’s happened this week.

Fuck Anaheim.

by Eyeball Kid on Dec 18, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, the Cliff Lee trade has downside

but in relation to the awesome upside, who gives a shit?

by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

People say that, but if that mentality was true

Silva would have been cut…

As much as people say it is a sunk cost, it is very hard to stop with the whole escalation of commitment idea.

If Bradley becomes the injured asshole that everyone hates, IF he gets cut it is next offseason and not before.

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Dec 18, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Silva wasn't being an asshole last year, and if you're gonna pay the guy that much, you might as well try to get some value of him as a long reliever or such

with Bradley, yeah, you’re totally right that he might actually hurt the clubhouse and be a little bitch, unlike 2009 Silva, but in that case, there’s a full year less left on the contract than cutting Silva last year, and I can’t imagine Jack Z putting up with something that’s actively hurting the club rather than simply being an expensive, shitty annoyance.

by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

If he plays well he can be as much of a cunt as he likes

I don’t see the other players being too bothered if they’re winning most nights.

Fuck Anaheim.

by Eyeball Kid on Dec 18, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Mariners fans are much less annoying than Cubs fans

Half of them, I’m sure, will have no idea who Milton Bradley is or where he came from, but will be sure to make extremely clever ‘Monopoly’ jokes to each other in the stands.

by Gihyou on Dec 18, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, I am a Cubs fan as well.

Don’t get me wrong, I understand the upside of this move for the Mariners. But I don’t think the Cubs got worse. Bradley was a very bad clubhouse influence that most of his teammates don’t want him back. See Aramis Ramirez comment regarding whether Bradley would be welcome back to the clubhouse after the Cubs supsended him for the season with pay in late September. None of his teammate supported him, and no one thinks Bradley could come back in 2010. It’s a case where if no one takes Bradley, the Cubs will simply cut him. He’s that bad of a club house influence in 2009. But if he plays like he did in Texas in 2008, where he led the AL in OPS, then it’s a steal for the M’s. On the other hand, Silva will probably get the 5th starter job vacant by Harden’s departure. On the field, the Cubs got worse, but in the club house, the Cubs just got a whole lot better.

by brian_sun on Dec 18, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Really?

When was that?

Holmgren would have drafted Crabtree.

by Fearless Frog on Dec 18, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Hasn't been released who it was

I just got confirmation that it wasn’t Silva, even though that’s who I thought.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 18, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Something about Chief throwing some guys up against a wall?

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 18, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I always thought it was Yuni that Silva wanted to throw up against the wall

He did make comments about throwing someone up against the wall, but he never specified who it was. A lot of people thought it was Ichiro, but it could have been Lopez or Yuni. I don’t remember the exact circumstances, but I think Yuni let some balls get past him during one of Silva’s starts, and Chef was frustrated with the defense behind him.

by njpozner on Dec 18, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

That's great, but who are the Chefs?

[/obligatory]

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 18, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Ryan Dempster, before the trade

Dempster said Milton Bradley is a “really, really good guy” despite what the public perception is. Dempster said there were certain things he handled poorly and pointed out the fact Bradley is a better person and teammate than that.

by msb on Dec 18, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

It's simple logic, really.

You are the fan of a team that has not won a World Series in 101 years, ergo, you are not a racist.

by Manzanillos Cup on Dec 18, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

If I told you that it was possible that anyone would give up something for

Yuniesky Betancourt and Carlos Silva, everyone would be sending me to the funny farm.

Jack is amazing. We need to erect a statue of Jack in front of Safeco Field.

by Coug1990 on Dec 18, 2009 12:16 PM PST reply actions  

He's a pompous douche

He always talks shit about all of ‘his teams’ here in Seattle… Colin Cowherd is the Tom Leykis of sports radio

by Cougriculture on Dec 18, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

.

"You're so beautiful. You could be a part-time model, but you'd probably still have to keep your normal job."

by nickmo on Dec 18, 2009 12:40 PM PST reply actions  

My favorite part is that we've acquired a talented player despite his chemistry issues.

Which was my only concern that was left about this FO.

Fantastic.

All Hail Zduriencik!

by Goose on Dec 18, 2009 12:43 PM PST reply actions  

Yes.

I was a little disappointed when I heard that they wanted no part of Bradly because of character issues. That was rumor and appears to have been unfounded, but at the time it made me oh-so-barely question Z.

by Teej on Dec 18, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

It is the challenge of a life time for Ken Griffey Jr.

Griffey thought he was playing to be a Hall of Famer, but really it was all practice leading to this moment to change a young man’s life forever. Starring Eddie Murphy as Ken Griffey Jr. and Dennis Quaid as Milton Bradley in “The Milton Bradley Story: ‘FUCK Eric Wedge!’”

by mark sobba on Dec 18, 2009 12:49 PM PST reply actions   6 recs

MB

Is Lithium a drug banned by MLB?

by cwithboat on Dec 18, 2009 12:50 PM PST reply actions  

good question

And could he still hit on qualudes or vallumn?

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Dec 18, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Xanax and Zoloft

And maybe some Propecia, just to see what happens

by wandergeist on Dec 19, 2009 1:33 AM PST up reply actions  

So I didn't see this mentioned, sorry if it was, but...

The Cubs come to Seattle this year. Wouldn’t it be amazing to see Bradley take Silva deep a time or two?

by BrettJMiller on Dec 18, 2009 1:07 PM PST reply actions  

I've been reading a lot of post about this at various sites, and the concensus seems to be that Silva would be a .5-1 WAR playing in 2010.

Does anyone else feel that this is a little high? The guys stuff is some of the worst I have ever seen. He doesn’t even have a sinker anymore, just a crappy 90 mph fastball, and his CH is below average. He cannot get LH out to save his life. I would project him to be below replacement level.

by EnglishMariner on Dec 18, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

There is a chance of this.

Probably more cahnce of him being replacement level or worse though.

by ARock on Dec 18, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, it seems very high to me.

He was tremendously unlucky in 2008, and many expected a rebound in 2009. But in 2009, he was really, actually awful. He deserved every awful result he got. Forget the NL/AL difference, he was not a AAA pitcher last year, and now, coming off of injuries and continued terrible play, he’s supposed to be a .5-1.0 WAR player? Jason Vargas was at 0.4, and I see Vargas’ 09 as the peak, the absolute maximum, that Silva could get in ‘10. Not sure he’d pitch enough to even get to 0.4 WAR….

by marc w on Dec 18, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Now that the excitement has worn off

I don’t love this deal as much as I thought I did.

It feels great to be rid of Silva but he could have been cut. Essentially, the M’s are signing Bradley for 2 years, 6 million dollars. He’s going to have to stay healthy and do a lot with the bat to be worth a couple wins a year at DH. Bradley is cheap but not without his issues.

Not saying this isn’t good, just that it doesn’t make me cream myself like Cliff Lee does.

by jose luis on Dec 18, 2009 1:14 PM PST reply actions  

Bradley only has to be worth 1.5 wins over two years to be worth 2 years and 6M

it adds a potential impact bat, and gives us the hope for some return on the Silva sunk cost. If anything, this trade is even better than the Silva trade.

by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions   4 recs

Yes, but we're paying him like he's a one win player

We just got him for the market value of Willie Bloomquist

by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

That says more

about the insanity of the market for Willie Bloomquist

by wandergeist on Dec 19, 2009 1:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Two years for $6mil is nothing.

It’s a bargain.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Dec 18, 2009 1:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Well, Rev isn't happy

“I cannot put a smiley face on this. Even if they get three moths out of Milton Bradley before he goes bananas, that will be a great three months of production. They were going to eat the cost of stupid Silva anyway so the sunk cost on this is not affected.

Chemistry is overstated, especially when it is a masher supposedly doing the damage in the clubhouse when you don’t want to face that he is doing the damage against US at the plate."

I think the Angels hear footsteps….

by Brian Floyd on Dec 18, 2009 1:18 PM PST reply actions  

I think the best thing about this trade...

…is that the Cubs and their fans are sitting around acting like this is a great trade for THEM. If you don’t know you’re being bamboozled, you’ll get bamboozled again. I just hope the rest of the league feels the way Chicago feels about this move.

by Johnny Slick on Dec 18, 2009 1:19 PM PST reply actions  

That's the brilliant thing

Jack Z’s trades have actually made sense for the team on the other end. The Cubs desperately wanted to be rid of Bradley, and the Phillies got to restock their farm system. Likewise, last year, the Mets needed bullpen help and GMZ gave it to them.

The man just has a gift for giving people things that they really shouldn’t want in the first place

by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I think he's a real life Keyser Soze

Little quiet bald guy in the corner nobody notices, but in reality he owns every mutherfucker in the room.

by wandergeist on Dec 19, 2009 1:40 AM PST up reply actions  

So, ballparking from Matthew's "Attempt to Quantify the Division" post

here it looks like we’re improving by 1.5-2 wins with this trade, if no other moves are made?

(I’d edge towards the higher end of that because it’s more likely that he’ll take at-bats from Carp at DH who was projected as a 1-win player than Saunders at LF who was projected at 1.5, but who knows.)

by Jeff Nye on Dec 18, 2009 1:47 PM PST reply actions  

That thread is insufferable.

Interesting to see the perspectives, but wow.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Dec 18, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Which thread was this?

Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle

by appleshampoo on Dec 19, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

BCB thread about the trade.

They have a community where almost literally a third of them are traditionalists, a third of them recognize advanced stats but only give them mild weight, and a third of them are really into advanced stats. So they are essentially at war with each other in that thread.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Dec 19, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

So do the Mariners have the most black people of any MLB team now?

Griffey, Hall, Snell, and now Bradley. I can’t think of any other teams with more than three.

by I Lick Squirrels on Dec 18, 2009 1:55 PM PST reply actions  

Snell isn't black

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by Corco on Dec 18, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Half.

Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle

by appleshampoo on Dec 18, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I honestly was thinking the same thing.

A caller on the post game show asked about that a few years ago. I really didn’t think about it again until the Figgins signing and thought “Wow, our team has had so much turn over.” Then I wondered if this will change the marketing at all. Like if two or three of the black players are in one of the Mariner commercials together talking about the up coming season.

by mark sobba on Dec 18, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

This is all a ploy to have Griffey's son tryout for the mariners.

Since according to Griffey the lack of black players is one of the things that turned his apparently uber-talented son off of baseball.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Dec 18, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Seattle like many a team before it has fallen for the Bradley trap. Bradley isn’t your run of the mill malcontent he’s a team killer malcontent.

If we yield now, all is over; but if we fight, there is yet a hope that we may stand upright

by Sordid on Dec 18, 2009 2:07 PM PST reply actions  

Subject Line

And this has been covered over and over and over. No risk

by Brian Floyd on Dec 18, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Subject line please.

And yeah we get it

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by gregrabble on Dec 18, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

But he's a malcontent that can hit the snot out of the ball so there's that

We didn’t trade for an orphan-adopting kitten-sitter, we traded for a baseball player. And we got a pretty damn good one.

by pdb on Dec 18, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a tough one for the the results based analysis crowd

One the one hand “MOAR POWA!”
On the other “OH NOES Clubhouse Chemistry!”

Which will prevail? This is like Celebrity Deathmatch.
My money is on
MOAR POWA! > Clubhouse Chemistry

Remember, you can’t hit dingers with clubhouse chemistry

by PDXTai on Dec 18, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Texas was fine with Bradley

They just didn’t want to give him a big contract to bring him back

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by Corco on Dec 18, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

no no no he's a team killer malcontent!

Don’t let the facts get in the way of a half-assed narrative!

by pdb on Dec 18, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Via Baker on twitter

Milton Bradley says getting to play with Griffey is ’’surreal’’. One of two players, along with Barry Bonds, he wanted autograph from.


So that should at least jump-start Junior’s good influence on him.

Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle

by appleshampoo on Dec 18, 2009 2:17 PM PST reply actions  

Repeatable analysis!

I actually agree with you, but I love adjustments like this.

by PDXTai on Dec 18, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

On my sheet the team is at 88 wins and with a 0 at 1B still.

The reports I have been reading is that Bradley does fine when the media stays away from him and when the team doesn’t expect him to be part of the clubhouse leadership. If Bradley respects Griffey that is huge to take away Bradley’s biggest fault.

by mark sobba on Dec 18, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a beautiful number.

I’d sure like to see that sheet. But isn’t Carp a 1.0 WAR player?

by Decatur on Dec 18, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think the team will go with Carp on Opening Day.

So I have: 1B -- 0 WAR 0$

You can put in a 0 or you could put in a minor league player. It really is just your best guess.

by mark sobba on Dec 18, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Everyone seems to be overlooking the biggest dollar factor in this deal

With Silva gone, the Buffet Budget goes back to normal.

Granted, the M’s are sending millions to Chicago to help them cope, but it’s still a net win.

Plus from what I’ve seen of the midwest, Silva-sized meals must be factored into everything from daycare on up.

by wandergeist on Dec 19, 2009 1:58 AM PST reply actions  

so far so good

Jack is doing well, even with this latest move, we got rid of a non productive pitcher and took a chance on a malcontent that had better straighten out or his career ANYWHERE will be over!!!!!!! All the other moves are cagey moves, I mean, a potential Cy Young winner for next 5-6 years along side the Cat, good comp. Jack Wilson will play his ass off but may be past his good side, but we have that other Wilson that played so well last year and really hit the ball with power, not this popfly bs. Isn’t Johjima gone now?? I’m pysched for the next move, there are alot of available outfielders still out there-hey Jackt??!!!!!!!!!

by leeman on Dec 19, 2009 2:36 PM PST reply actions  

First of all, you don't really need seventeen punctuation marks in a row. It makes your comment look like it was written by a 12-year-old.

Secondly, Cliff Lee is not here for the next 5-6 years. He’s signed through 2010, that’s it.
Thirdly, Felix is not ‘the Cat’. No. Never.
Fourthly, Josh Wilson sucks. He really sucks. He sucked last year. He doesn’t hit at all, much less for power.
Fifthly, Yes, Johjima is gone.

by Matthew on Dec 19, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

"Thirdly, Felix is not 'the Cat'. No. Never."

This really cannot be restated enough.

All Hail Zduriencik!

by Goose on Dec 20, 2009 1:20 AM PST up reply actions  

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