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Well I was wrong. Seems Zduriencik wants Langerhans back and intends to sign him shortly. I assume that would be to a minor league contract with an ST invite.
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Well this hints at all kinds of other activity unless its
a) non guaranteed or b) MiL
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 15, 2009 11:49 AM PST reply actions
This makes me uneasy.
something happening with Saunders?
All signs indicate that Saunders is one of the players Z thinks most highly of amongst Bavasi draftees
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 15, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
And who knows?
Maybe Langerhans just flat outplays Saunders during Spring Training and Saunders gets another stint in AAA.
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The Lee deal might facilitate getting him back on the major league roster too, since we can probably go with 11 pitchers safely now.
This is what I'm hoping.
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Dec 15, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Yup, soon as they said Lee that was where my head went too.
I’m thinking of calling it the Yuniesky Extra Pitches For Funsies Effect.
First Elizier, then Lee, now Langerhans.
Are we re-signing Beltre too?
by killer_ewok18 on Dec 15, 2009 11:58 AM PST via mobile reply actions
you have a cite for this?
Or is this just made up? With Holliday offered 8/128, I’m not seeing how he signs for a “surprisingly affordable” amount with Seattle.
by Johnny Slick on Dec 15, 2009 12:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It was complete sarcasm
See: Harden main target, everyone ready to jump off bridge, then go and get Cliff Lee a superior player for far less his actual value.
One of these days we're going to learn to not panic
by OlSalty on Dec 15, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That could take years.
Post-Bavasi Stress Disorder doesn’t just go away over night.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
I have difficulty believing Holliday was offered that and he hasn't accepted yet.
Rumors are what they are.
This pleases me, although I still don't see a space for Langerhans as it is currently constituted.
But then again, it’s never a bad idea to stash a guy like that in AAA for the inevitable injury-replacement call-up.
Jigsaw falling into place
Left field is still unsettled. He may end up starting there.
by nathaniel dawson on Dec 15, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
It's not gonna happen
The package it takes to get either of these guys would bring tears to our eyes.
Would the expected play of Saunders be significantly better than the expected play of Langerhans?
by nathaniel dawson on Dec 15, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
Probably not in the short-term, but there's value in letting him learn
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 15, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
There's also value in keeping him in the minors for a couple of months.
Especially if you’re not expecting better play from him than what you could get from someone else.
by nathaniel dawson on Dec 15, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Not really
He doesn’t have much left to learn in AAA, he needs to face MLB pitching in order to learn how to hit MLB pitching.
There's value in delaying his arbitration years.
And I doubt that he’s maxed out his ability to improve his game at the AAA level. It’s better for the team to have a more polished, advanced player on their hands before starting his service time clock.
by nathaniel dawson on Dec 15, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
He's about as polished as he's going to get
And there’s no real point to delaying his arbitration years if he has little left to learn in AAA. At some point you have to play him and find out if he’s going to stick in the majors. Not that we can’t send him back to AAA if he fails or we sign Holliday or something, but Langerhans isn’t really better than Saunders is now Saunders has the potential to be much better if he figures things out in the big leagues, so you can’t justify playing Langerhans over him, at least for now.
Of course you can justify it.
He certainly didn’t look very polished last year in Seattle. Perhaps Langerhans isn’t any better than Saunders is right now. Or maybe he is. Either way, I wouldn’t think you could make a strong case that you would expect Saunders to be significantly better than Langerhans right now. And if you would expect about equivalent play from either of the two, it seems to make sense to keep Langerhans around and let Saunders start the year in AAA. To my eye, he certainly can learn more at AAA right now, and it helps the team down the road.
Is starting Langerhans instead of Saunders really going to hurt the team?
by nathaniel dawson on Dec 15, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, please.
There’s no way it could hurt him, and there’s a lot of people that would say the exact opposite. The more common opinion is that rushing a guy too much can hurt his development. He got to face the challenge of hitting against Major League pitching for the first time last year, and didn’t show any signs of being able to handle it right now.
That’s what the minor leagues are for. To develop players to the point they’re ready to play in the Major Leagues. There’s no way that 2 or 3 more months in AAA will retard his development, and it’s more likely that it will help him as he learns to apply some of the lessons he learned while facing, and failing against, Major League pitching last year.
by nathaniel dawson on Dec 15, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
Eh, I don't know if this is true.
He wasn’t in AAA for very long. I don’t think there’s any danger of retarding his growth and there’s probably still some things he could learn.
by Aaron Campeau on Dec 15, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
Haha, you said "retard".
After a regime that prided itself on how fast it could move guys through the system and BOOM what happened did we ruin another prospect? I for one would not mind seeing a guy like Saunders get a couple months in AAA to regain his confidence or what have you. If he hits well in spring training, all bets are off.
by Johnny Slick on Dec 15, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
I guess he could learn to hit lefites better
But he still managed to rake in AAA and that implies that he’s ready to move up now….Though I don’t totally disagree that more AAA could be better for him, if the question is playing Langerhans or Saunders I think there’s no doubt where you go with this one.
There's a thread on the front page that says they want to re-sign him.
by nathaniel dawson on Dec 15, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Reply fail
Saunders isn’t rumored to be one of the guys traded for Cliff Lee, if that’s what you were refering to.
by nathaniel dawson on Dec 15, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
I'm surprised there isn't a single team out there that would like Langerhans as their 4th OF.
Don’t these teams read Fangraphs?
It sounded that Langerhans really liked the experience/clubhouse atmosphere/what have you in Seattle
Hell, maybe all that chemistry and tickling is good for something after all
I'm sure he liked the treatment
After hitting 2 walk-off HR’s last August.
Not to get into a big argument about a joke that you were making, but I think there is no denying that stuff makes an impact.
I think the question people have is whether or not it makes any discernible difference in performance and whether the results of said difference are worth paying money for and using a roster spot for. But I don’t think anyone denies that the way Griffey, Sweeney and them affected the clubhouse didn’t provide benefits – it’s just that those benefits may or may not be worth spending money and wasting production on.
...and now I'm here
I like Langerhans.
Underrated pick-up, I’m glad if he sticks around.
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