Most Annoying Team
by CapSea on Dec 12, 2009 1:44 AM PST
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PrintWith Chone Figgins and Ichiro leading off, our team is about to get very annoying. I define annoying as "Hits for very little power while still contributing" - Basically a team of players that don't seem to get out, but without any power that would make them legitimate run threats any time they are up to bat.
On base machines that hit for power come in three categories:
- Frustrating Badasses (Three True Outcome hitters that strike out often)
- "Okay..." (Players that hit a crapload of doubles and triples, not a lot of homeruns)
- Superstars
Frustrating badass players may annoy you, but they are not annoying players, so they are excluded. Superstars are obviously excluded. "Okay...." players don't bother anyone, so they are excluded. Players that suck are excluded unless there is no annoying alternative. Annoying players are those with the lowest ISOs while still contributing in some form at their position.
So, for fun, I decided to create a team of low ISO players with as high a wOBA as possible, using Bill James projections. The lowest ISO players were rarely contributors, but the high wOBA guys rarely had low ISOs, so there will be some debate to the choices. I also limited it to players that had at least 400 PA in 2009.
Players:
And the results of such a team:
These numbers assume a 650 plate appearances per player and a .335 league average wOBA. However, at minimum we can expect an additional 300 or so PAs team wide, so add about 35 runs, and more realistically about 500 PAs (about 60 runs), . Assuming all equal plate appearances and no injuries or substitutions, this team would score about 785 runs in a year if I did the math right, which I don't think I did because this team would have the 4th highest wOBA in the majors. Still, they would be at least the 9th most productive hitting team in baseball, if not the 4th, so not bad. If there were better Catcher/2b annoying options, those numbers would be a bit higher. Also, the defense of this team would be pretty spectacular, though not necessarily mind blowing.
Any substitutions?
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Where's Willits?
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 12, 2009 6:57 AM PST reply actions
Heh
Or Marco Scutaro and his 48 walk off hits with the A’s.
I wouldn’t have expected Helton on a list like this.
Carlos Silvelite
He had the best wOBA/Worst Iso available for first baseman.
...and now I'm here
You still have to be good...
Reggie “What chu talkin bout” Willits has been floating around the Mendoza line the last couple years (last year he was downright awful).
Fewer than 200 at-bats over the past two years.
I’d still put my money on him being a good OBP guy by way of never swinging and being tiny.
Rec for the effort, and it's fun to watch people play.
Someone on LL always keeps it interesting.
I think that when you construct a team like this,
You end up changing the run values of the different outcomes. wOBA assumes that the rest of your team follows a typical team’s lineup cosntruction, since it is based on average results of all teams.
Just somethign interesting to look into.
Also, we need to get Nick Johnson tso that we have three of these players!
We can't all be famous statisticians
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by .Taylor on Dec 13, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
Annoying?
I don’t know about everyone else, but I tend to call this kind of player something else – my favorite kind. If I’m playing Baseball Stars, I make every player a leadoff-type or a doubles hitter. I’d pretty much kill to get Denard Span in left field. It’s those 3-true-outcomes hitters that drive me up the wall. I’d take 9 Ichiros over 9 Dunns any day.
More "annoying to face" than "annoying to watch."
If it’s your team, you support the winning lineup. But if you played Baseball Stars against 9 Ichiros, you’d probably want to kill yourself.
...and now I'm here
In that case you should include contact rate as a factor
There’s got to be few things more annoying to face than a scrappy player with no power who fouls everything off and never strikes out.
To that end, I propose as alternates:
2B – Placido Polanco: 7.4% K, .112 ISO, .321 wOBA
SS – Erick Aybar: 10.7% K, .111 ISO, .339 wOBA
OF – Skip Schumaker: 13.0% K, .090 ISO, .336 wOBA
This is fun!
Crawford seems like he'd fit in here too
Pierzynski also fits because while his ISO is a little higher than Molina’s he’s massively annoying for non statistical reasons. Catchers are hard to place here cause the annoying players are usually fast, and catchers… yeah. Jason Kendall must be the most annoying catcher ever, by your definition.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Dec 12, 2009 11:37 AM PST reply actions
Most catcher's suck if they don't hit for power.
Mauer is the exception, but he shows too much power and is nowhere near annoying.
...and now I'm here
I wonder which type of team would be more likely to score 30 runs.
this type of team, or a team made up of 9 TTO players of identical wOBAs.
...and now I'm here
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