Fun With The Elias Rankings
by Jeff on Nov 9, 2009 7:19 PM PST
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"The 2008-09 player rankings, compiled by the Elias Sports Bureau, are used to compare players and to determine compensation for free agent signings. The rankings combine stats" something something something last two years something everybody knows these are a total joke. I think even the people that publish them know they're a joke. A joke at the expense of Darren Oliver. Suck it, Darren.
- Among the potential free agents, there are 26 Type A's, 52 Type B's, and 102 unranked. The average 08/09 WAR of the Type A's is 4.6. The average 08/09 WAR of the top 26 Type B's is 4.9.
- The average 08/09 WAR of the bottom 26 Type B's is 1.5. The average 08/09 WAR of the top 26 unranked is 2.9.
- 21 unranked potential free agents posted a combined 08/09 WAR of 2+. Nine Type A's and 16 Type B's were below 2.
- Guillermo Mota and David Weathers are Type B's despite posting WARs below zero.
- Garret Anderson is a Type B despite being one of the least valuable players in the Major Leagues last year.
These things are so bad I almost want to keep them forever.
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"Suck it, Darren."
:(
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Goose on Nov 9, 2009 7:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't baseball supposed to be getting smarter?
http://sodomojo.com/
by Taylor H on Nov 9, 2009 7:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think this of all things illustrates that there are strong forces which are deeply ignorant of logic still remaining in the baseball heirarchy
And they aren’t easily moved to change their ways because fuck it baseball is baseball and for some reason that means tradition is more important than rightness.
by OlSalty on Nov 10, 2009 12:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A big part of this is an outdated union agreement.
Even if the teams, players, and owners all understand why the Elias rankings are outdated, it would probably still take years to change.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Nov 10, 2009 12:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You'd think a clever team would look at Elias's formula and sign players who are likely to have "Type A" seasons on one-year deals.
Then again, Boston has three Type A’s.
by katal on Nov 9, 2009 8:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I thought this was done with regularity already. There are many reasons NY has a fantastic farm system.
Type A’s are expensive though. 2.3 WAR per year is still about 8-10 mil.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Nov 9, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And you don't want a Type A just because they're a Type A
If they’re a sucky (Darren) Type A you can’t offer arby anyway.
by JonBBT on Nov 9, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can because you wouldn't expect him to make much as a LOOGY
by vivaelpujols on Nov 12, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But you could still get a similar guy cheaper.
And said LOOGY isn’t going to get more money on open market, so he’ll accept anyway.
by JonBBT on Nov 13, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Justin Speier is rated 21st and a type A?
Am I reading this right? Now that is a joke.
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
by 44FAN on Nov 9, 2009 10:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Believe those rankings are outdated
I’m not seeing Speier anywhere.
by Jeff on Nov 9, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are right, I was looking at this one and it is from last year or something.
http://www.sportscity.com/MLB/Elias-MLB-Rankings-Relief-Pitchers
Still though Speier sucked in 2008 just as bad almost.
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
by 44FAN on Nov 9, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's almost like these rankings are embarrassingly terrible!
by Jeff on Nov 9, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm on my fourth cup of coffee...
…writing a midterm and I take a break to see this… I now find myself in need of some xanax, preferably washed down by egregiously cheap vodka. Fuck you, ignorance! Someone show the world the light! Any half-reasonable individual with half of a functioning (key phrase: functioning) brain can see the problems here. And there. And WAY over there. And— GOD DAMMIT GIVE ME ROBOTS BEHIND HOME! Also, only ~four months ’till pitchers and catchers report for spring training. Unless you live on Capitol Hill.
by THolt on Nov 10, 2009 1:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
On the plus side, maybe the Braves will get some value out of Anderson.
by xero3k on Nov 10, 2009 7:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If they offer him arbitration, they are crazy.
If they offer him arbitration and someone else still tries to sign him, that someone else is crazy.
by abender20 on Nov 10, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, if they offer arb and someone tries to sign him, they are BOTH crazy
by seattlebruin on Nov 10, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Figgins is type A as well
Bye Adrian :(
by OlSalty on Nov 10, 2009 10:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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