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Points Of Contention: Rob Johnson's Defense

Writing is easier when you don't have to think up an intro.

In terms of things we know we can measure pretty well, Rob Johnson the defender doesn't stand out, at least not in a good way.

  • His error rate, for whatever that's worth, is about average. His four in 754.1 innings matches up well with the league-average rate of 6.1 per 1000.

  • His arm is decent. He's thrown out 20 of 71 would-be base-stealers - a rate of 28.2% - against a 27.6% league average.

  • He kind of sucks at blocking balls. His 2009 rate of passed balls was twice the league average, and the Mariners were a bottom-third team in wild pitches. In addition, I couldn't tell you how many times I saw Johnson flat-out drop a pitch that hit him in the glove.

These factors were covered in devil_fingers' evaluation of 2009 catcher defense, and in that study, it was determined that, based on his errors, arm, and ability to receive, Johnson was about two runs below average in the field. Now it's obviously important to remember that understanding performance in a single season isn't the same as understanding true talent, but given these numbers and all of our own observations over the course of the year, I don't see any particular reason to believe that Johnson is a superior defender when it comes to things we can directly measure.

And yet he's developed this whiz-kid reputation. Why? Because, out of guys who caught at least 50 games last season, Johnson posted the lowest CERA - ERA against as a catcher - in the league, at 3.23. This versus Kenji Johjima's CERA of 4.86. Pitchers weren't giving up as many runs throwing to Johnson as they were throwing to Kenji, and this - pretty much this alone - earned Johnson both a lot of playing time and a generally favorable standing among fans.

So given that he doesn't really do anything else well, either standing at the plate or crouching behind it, one's opinion of Rob Johnson comes down to one's opinion of this statistic. Those who like Johnson do so because they feel he helps keep the opponent off the board, while those who don't do so because they don't believe CERA reveals an ability on the catcher's part to control a game. This should be examined.

The absolute first thing we have to do with CERA is consider the pitchers. Catchers don't catch an equivalent distribution of arms, and sure enough, Johnson was catching the bulk of the team's better talent. Felix Hernandez, Erik Bedard, and Jarrod Washburn made up more than half of Johnson's PA's caught, while for Johjima, they made up just 9.4%. For this reason, we should expect their CERA's to be considerably different. The guy who catches the better pitchers is almost always going to post the more flattering rate of runs scored.

However, we wouldn't expect their CERA's to be that different, so clearly there was an additional performance effect. I looked at how the bullpen did throwing to each guy a few weeks ago and, sure enough, their walk and strikeout rates were a little better with Johnson than with Kenji. The picture's a little messier with starting pitchers since the distribution was so skewed, but the take-home message here is that the difference in CERA's was more than simply the difference in pitchers caught.

So with that in mind, the question becomes one about sustainability, about whether or not this sort of thing is reflective of an actual ability and is therefore repeatable on a year-to-year basis. This being beyond my capability, thank goodness for Keith Woolner. All year long, when people have talked about the significance of CERA, others have referred back to work done on the subject a decade ago, and that work was done by Woolner at Baseball Prospectus. Here's the original study, here's a follow-up, and here's a later study done after receiving some criticism from Bill James.

Read those articles. I know they're heavy on the math and somewhat lacking in floral prose, but if you're interested in this subject, then Woolner's work is required reading.

There's too much in there for me to summarize point-by-point. But in the end, Woolner didn't find strong evidence of an effect. He didn't find weak, potentially insignificant evidence of an effect. He found no evidence of an effect. At all. Even just looking at the extremes, the absolute best and worst catchers in Year X, they regressed all the way to the mean in Year X+1. Woolner's ultimate conclusion:

For now, at least, the hypothesis most consistent with the available facts appears to be that catchers do not have a significant effect on pitcher performance.

Based on CERA and its component metrics, Rob Johnson had a much better season of game-calling than Kenji Johjima. But given that this effect has never been shown to be repeatable, we probably shouldn't label it game-calling at all, as doing so implies an ability. We don't actually know if what we're trying to measure exists, and until we do, the most responsible approach is to side with the null hypothesis. There's no proof. There's no proof that Johnson's alleged greatest strength is even the least bit significant, or real.

What's funny is that, if we're just scrounging for as much evidence as we can find, there's a lot more evidence that Kenji was bad than there is that Johnson is good. Kenji was here for four years. In three of those years, his numbers were a lot worse than those of his backup(s), and in the fourth they were about equal. For Johnson, we have one year. 80 games. With that in mind, it makes more sense to suggest that Rob Johnson looked good simply because he wasn't Kenji Johjima. There's more reason to dock the latter than there is to credit the former.

But we needn't focus on that paragraph, because Woolner's work trumps it. Nobody's ever verified that game-calling is a skill, and because of that, if one wants to believe that Johnson calls a great game, then one needs to provide a lot of evidence. Tons of it. Years and years and years' worth. Rob Johnson has started 82 games behind the plate in his Major League career. It is impossible for one to conclude anything about game-calling over a span of 82 games.

Working in Rob Johnson's favor is that pitchers like him. The reason he caught so much of Felix, Bedard, and Washburn is because that's what Felix, Bedard and Washburn wanted. If the pitchers feel like Johnson calls a good game - if the pitchers feel comfortable throwing to him - then that has value. You want your pitchers to feel comfortable when they're going to work. But then Greg Maddux felt most comfortable throwing to pretty much anyone but Javy Lopez, yet of the 12 catchers who caught Maddux for more than 25 games, opponents put up the second-lowest OPS with Lopez behind the plate. Comfort is good, but it's not proof of ability, nor is it a trump card. If you have two guys who're pretty much equal, and a pitcher would rather throw to one of them, then that's fine. But if you have two guys, and one of them is measurably better than the other, then the responsibility falls on the pitcher to feel comfortable with the guy who maximizes the team's chances of winning.

Rob Johnson is a 27 year old Major League catcher who, in his rookie season, became a favorite of some high-level pitchers and coaches. In that regard, he's off to a hell of a start. But a lot of fans have gone so far as to suggest that he's a valuable player, the reasoning being that he keeps the other team off the board. We can't say that. We can't say that and have it mean anything, because that statement has yet to be confirmed. We will know that Rob Johnson is a valuable player if and only if he improves in the areas we know we can measure. And while PITCHfx may allow for someone down the road to show that game calling is a legitimate, repeatable ability, it would really put my mind at ease if Rob Johnson would think about maybe swinging a bat.

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I disagree.
What’s funny is that,

casual fans when you try to use these advanced studies to try to discredit CERA will tell you that we math nerds don’t know what we’re talking about. Because CERA, like all other stats, have always existed before math and studying.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 8, 2009 10:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

YA!

You math nerds are just jealous because you never got to play baseball; leave the game analysis to those who actually have some experience playing. Now go back into your mother’s basement’s and do some equations… (joking of course ;-) go’s back to mother’s basement and does some math equations

by hiskeyd on Nov 8, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Go look up Theo Epstein

and come back and apologize.

by Coug1990 on Nov 8, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was joking ;-)

I have a B.S. and M.S. in computer science, minor in mathematics, physics, philosophy, and music theory (play the alto sax, guitar, and harmonica), and a web programmers endorsement… so ya, I have a lot of student loans and did my best to become a student for life (ultimate nerd ;-). In my free time now that i’m out of school, I enjoy spending hours and hours mostly pointlessly crunching baseball numbers for no one’s benefit but my own. :-) I’m quite well aware that most baseball players seem to know very little about what makes themselves and their teams successful looks at Joe Morgan ;-)

by hiskeyd on Nov 8, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I know you're joking

but the fact is that Wak, who PLAYED THE GAME, as a catcher no less, doesn’t buy CERA.

Good news there.

by stupidquestions on Nov 8, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The tempting thing about CERA is that there is almost an intuitive argument for it

While CERA in itself might be a stat that tells little about the catcher, I still have a hard time dismissing game calling as a skill. I remember over the past couple years, the posts here at LL and USSM about Felix’s pitch selection. If Rob Johnson was more assertive with Felix in insisting on using his breaking balls more and changeup at the right time, then you would see some improvement. Felix did marginally increase the usage of both breaking pitches this year but his FB % went down only 3 % overall this year. However, I thought he used his repetoire better situationally this year, which arguably could be the result of Rob Johnson’s came calling skills. There is little proof of that though. I am just using this Felix as an example of course, this could be applied to other pitchers also.

Also, didn’t Johnson pick off a number of runners at 3b this year which is almost the same as a CS. My memory is a little fuzzy but it is hard to forget that strong snap throw to third.

by tdot mariner fan on Nov 9, 2009 8:51 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Game calling is a skill, in that Rob Johnson can do it better than some guy in the upper deck

But when you get to the Major Leagues, you have to deal with the fact that all of these catchers have been selected in large part because their defensive games have been given the stamp of approval. It’s like managers – intuitively, it makes sense that managers make a difference, but no one’s ever really been able to prove it, because the spread in ability at the big league level is so small. Some catchers may have different philosophies and therefore will call different games. There’s just no evidence that, over a broad enough window, these will lead to significantly different results.

by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 9, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You can evaluate managers based on things like bunts and pinch-hitters

That covers maybe 5% of a manager’s responsibility. Things like evaluating batting orders and defensive positioning make the picture way more complicated, and we’ll never be able to figure out how well a manager “inspires”.

So, no, we can’t really evaluate managers at all.

by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 9, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That makes sense, but if, for example, Joe Girardi loses 75% in WEXP over the course of a season, that's measurable.

There would be some stuff left out, for sure, but do you really think that someone who makes -1% WEXP in-game moves every few games is good at defensive positioning, too?
Batting order optimization can be figured out, too, by running sims. I don’t mean we should question when a manager gives a player a day off or something, but there is a measurable difference between batting Ichiro first and batting him 9th that could be attributed directly to the manager.

We don’t try to measure other “intangibles” so can’t we ignore a manager’s “inspiration” skillset when we have so many other measurable things?

It’s a lot of work, sure, but I’m convinced the resources are available to make this into something. It seems about on par with measuring catcher defense in terms of what we can know and what we can’t.

by lailaihei on Nov 9, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There's no way to measure intangibles of players (clubhouse chemestry, etc), but teams pay players differently based on it.

Two guys with the exact same skillset and one with a great reputation and one with a “clubhouse cancer” reputation hit the FA market and you will probably see upwards $3-4 million per year difference between them.

by lailaihei on Nov 9, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A manager's job isn't to make the best in-game decisions

That’s why managers don’t get fired for doing things like benching Nick Swisher in the World Series. A manager’s job is to be a leader. And because we can’t measure that, we can’t measure managers.

by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 9, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get me wrong, measuring manager WPA would be really useful if done correctly

I just think it would/could end up missing the biggest part of the picture.

by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 9, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Alright, that makes sense.

It seems like a manager could just read The Book and decrease -WPA moves by like 80% though. I’m estimating the worst managers cost a team probably 1.5-2 wins over the course of a season with poor in-game decisions and lineup construction.
It seems like the easiest way to pick up an extra win…

by lailaihei on Nov 9, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, the information is certainly there.

I think the easiest solution would probably to run a simulator through every situation in every game and see where WPA is lost compared to optimal strategy.
There are a few guys with game simulators, I don’t know how long it would take to program something like this into them, though. I think MGL’s does pinch-hitting and the like, but there would still need to be the comparison with the actual decision and… yeah, it would take a lot of time.

by lailaihei on Nov 9, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How do you tell if a bunt was called by a manager or done so by the player?

How do you tell if a steal attempt was ordered by the manager or the player taking off with a green light?

How do you tell if a steal attempt was a hit and run or not?

How do you factor in player fatigue or little aches and pains that may lead to a player sitting out of a lineup for a day?

How do you factor in defensive replacements?

by Matthew on Nov 9, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Minor league catcher defense could be tougher to evaluate

I bet there’s a wider distribution of player quality at all levels of MiLB than at MLB. If that’s true, then there’s a smaller amount of at-bats where pitch selection determines the outcome (player quality will be far bigger factor in MiLB). I think CERA (if it’s real) is more about the game management aspect, pitch selection and whatnot which may be far harder to evaluate in AA or AAA than it would be for MLB.

Sorta thinking out loud.

by BFR on Nov 9, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to point out the obvious

I would think that two torn hip labrums and a torn wrist left might affect a catcher’s ability to block balls in the dirt inside and outside, or even catch certain pitches. Let’s see how he progresses after the surgeries. MIght improve at the plate. With Moore and Johnson (if healthy) they should be in good shape. Add a journeyman during camp for insurance.

by spyops on Nov 11, 2009 8:02 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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