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The Yusmeiro Petit Addition

Major League Baseball has informed me that I'm free to talk about this now, so off we go. Also, congratulations, Alex.

Anyway, yeah, the Mariners picked up Yusmeiro Petit off waivers from the Diamondbacks today. Petit was made available because (A) he ran an ERA near six, (B) Arizona wanted to clear some roster space, and (C) he's out of minor league options. The M's, having just freed up a lot of room, decided, hey, why not? Nothing wrong with another warm body capable of starting a game.

Petit's name has long been in the middle of the neither-of-us-get-it-so-let's-try-maybe-shouting-really-loud stats vs. scouts debate, as his exceptional minor league numbers didn't match up with his middling repertoire. You see, Petit's the rare righty with a sub-90 fastball, but he's found a way to ride that, a change, and a breaking ball he likes to throw over a broad range of speeds all the way into the big leagues. The problem is that it hasn't exactly worked out for him against the highest level of competition, but he has still been able to have a little bit of success, proving that you don't always need to throw Major League stuff to retire Major League bats.

Petit's a guy that pounds the zone, mixes his pitches, and works up, with predictable results - he doesn't walk many, he gets his strikeouts, and he allows an obscene amount of fly balls and home runs. Despite a 2.5 career K/BB to date, the home runs have killed him. He's given up 50 through 229.1 innings with a HR/FB of 13.6%, which are just staggeringly bad numbers for a big league pitcher. His career 5.44 FIP reflects this inability to keep the ball in the yard and makes Petit out to be little more than a replacement-level pitcher.

However, there are two ways of thinking about that. One way is to look at Petit's four partial Major League seasons, see a ton of home runs in each of them, and conclude that hitters just pound his hittable arsenal. He throws 87, right? Of course he's going to be an exception to the law of HR/FB.

That way is wrong. The proper way of thinking about Petit's home runs is that he's accumulated his numbers over just 36 starts and 71 total appearances, the equivalent of maybe a season and a half. Do we expect HR/FB to be stable after a year and a half? Braden Looper just posted a 15.8% rate over 34 starts. You have to assume that a guy will perform normally until proven otherwise, and with Petit, he has a long way to go before he's proven otherwise. If you look at his Hit Tracker numbers, it's not like the home runs hit against him are taking off. It's luck until it's not, and as such, we should expect Petit's HR/FB to behave going forward.

Regress Petit's home runs and all of a sudden you're looking at a more useful pitcher, a pitcher capable of doing enough to have some success in a big park like Safeco. He'll always give up his dingers, but an above-average K/BB cures a lot of ills.

The only problem, then, is trying to account for the league switch. For his career, he's struck the pitcher out 28 times without walking him once. Take those away and his K/BB drops to 2.1 (I know K/BB isn't great, but it's simple, so bear with me), which is a bit more alarming. Remove the pitcher and add in the DH and you're back to having a guy who's likely to run an ERA north of 5 based on his track record, and then he's a fringey #5/6 who you're hoping either gets lucky or builds on some of his potential.

And that's why the Diamondbacks cut him loose - though Petit has his upside, he just doesn't project to be that useful without a little luck or improvement. Yeah, he had a 6.3 K/BB in the high minors five years ago, but as we've learned from Doug Fister, awesome minor league K/BB ratios don't translate that well when you don't have good stuff. The hitters up here are smarter. They're smarter, and they're better.

Petit, I imagine, is here to serve as insurance and as a Spring Training trial. As insurance, he's a warm body that makes it a little easier to dangle one of the starters we already have in the system. And as a trial, the M's could see how he looks in Peoria, with some good pitching maybe earning him a roster spot since we have tons of starters who I think could go back to Tacoma. Petit's nothing spectacular, but he's also not bad, and who knows, maybe a big park would give him the confidence to trust his stuff a little more.

It's not a groundbreaking move. I don't know why I've spent so long talking about this. I guess it's just cool to have the M's do something again, and plus Petit's got a neat little story. But just because it's a minor pick-up doesn't mean you should forget about him as quickly as you forgot about Reegie Corona. Petit has a shot. And a guy with a shot, I suppose, is a guy worth discussing.

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I'll probably forget about him more quickly than I did Marcos Carvajal.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 4, 2009 9:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

So is Giovanni Carrara.

I feel like there’s no player there aside form Saunders that I particularly care about. Parker and Shell mean pretty much nothing to me, Orta is a borderline guy who I wish goodwill towards but expect little of, Navarro is just painful, Valbuena is painful in an entirely different way, and Wlad has moved on to another team.

The Cardenales suck this year.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 4, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Remember when Carvajal was a proven MLB reliever with nasty stuff?

Yyyeah.

Anyway, this whole thing gives me the opportunity to link to this, which I wrote after seeing him in 2007. God that day fucking sucked.

At worst, the guy is decent depth at AAA. At best, he’s a shorter, chunkier Doug Fister.

Given his status as one of the big stats versus scouts guys (the Josh Phelps Memorial Divider award), it’s always tempting to read more into this than may be warranted. Like, is this a Blengino move, a Fusco move, or is this just a we-need-warm-bodies-as-org-filler move?

by marc w on Nov 4, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If worst really does come to worst, he may clear 'em.

And if it’s slightly-less-than-worst, then best of luck with your new club, Yusmeiro.

I will say that beyond the K/BB numbers, his swinging strike rate isn’t bad for a waiver wire BOR starter. I’m not super hopeful, but this is a savvy pick-up.

by marc w on Nov 4, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He looks like an agreeable little fellow...

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Nov 4, 2009 9:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Arizona's not the friendliest park for limiting home runs either.

His best case is what, a right-handed RRS?

You know what’s fun? Carlos Silva may single-handedly cost us the division next season thanks to his salary tying up payroll space and he himself contributing nothing that cannot be replicated by someone making $350K

by Matthew on Nov 5, 2009 12:32 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I can't wait for "Newest, Slimmest" Carlos Silva.

I want him to come back next year with a body like Gutierrez’s but a face that was meant more for amateur porn.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Nov 5, 2009 1:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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You know what’s fun? Carlos Silva may single-handedly cost us the division next season thanks to his salary tying up payroll space and he himself contributing nothing that cannot be replicated by someone making $350K

That’s a depressing thought that I had been working so hard on ignoring.

by xero3k on Nov 5, 2009 7:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ditto. And I’ve been over at the Good Phight talking to Phillies fans who are trying to figure if their team could pull together a trade for Felix…

The idea that Felix might possibly be playing anywhere BUT Seattle coupled with stupid Silva makes for one sad bit of baseball cogitating.

by Rachmaninoff on Nov 5, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh,

I miss baseball

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Nov 5, 2009 6:58 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Petit is actually a fascinating player. Jeff alludes to the debate between scouts and stats on this guy.....

The stats he put up in the low minors are unreal. Video game shit.

He pitched 117 innings for AA Binghamton when he was with the Mets (at age 20!). He struck out 130 and walked 18. At 19, he split time between A+ and AA and in 56 1/3 IP, he struck out 78 and walked 19. He gave up no home runs. That was in 2004, a year when M’s fans were drooling over a young righty in the Cal League named Felix Hernandez.

After Dave Cameron kept talking about Felix, I bought a Baseball Prospectus account to check out Felix’s projections. As you might imagine, they liked him (Felix was insane for Inland Empire), but I remember checking out Yusmeiro’s MLEs (can’t remember if this was just before PECOTA debuted or just after), and he wasn’t just the best pitching prospect in baseball – he was roughly a 1-2 win player in MLB. At 19. Soon after, he was traded for Carlos Delgado, and it seemed that the scouts were not just wrong, but legendarily wrong about him.
And even though they appear to be right, and even though his HR rate is astounding, there are always these little mitigating factors… he had concerning HR rates in AAA, but he pitched for Albuquerque and Tucson, then for Arizona in the NL. He’s had a terrible FIP/tRA, but his xFIP isn’t bad (for obvious reasons), and he’s generated a decent number of swinging strikes. His walk rate’s increasing, but so are the Ks. Unsustainably low BABIP in 2008, but a very high BABIP in 2009 made his raw stats worse. Whatever case you want to make, Petit can help you make it.

Sorry for the length of this comment.

by marc w on Nov 5, 2009 11:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Petit is the classic case of why age doesn't really matter for pitching prospects

When people like BP built projection systems that assumed even growth rates for minor league pitchers, they did a lot of damage to the reputation of statistical analysts to project minor leaguers well. Pitchers develop at massively different stages. Petit might as well have been 30 when he was in Double-A. He wasn’t getting any better. There was no room for growth there.

He is what he is. You liked Cha Seung Baek and Cesar Jimenez, so it’s not a huge surprise that you like Petit. These guys aren’t very good, but they post good minor league numbers by taking advantage of flaws that minor league hitters have and major league hitters don’t. It hardly ever works in the majors.

by davidcameron on Nov 5, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was trying to agree with you.

He had eye-popping stats and BP loved him. That’s what I knew. I never saw Petit until 2007 when the luster was off and he was scuffling a bit in the PCL.
The whole trip down memory lane comment was about how he was perceived by some segment of the saber community, and I think you could make the case that Petit, more than any other prospect, actually helped to change the way a lot of stat-types look at low-minors pitching lines. That’s fascinating to me. I wasn’t writing the guy a love letter.

(Cha Seung Baek and Cesar Jimenez have nothing to do with what I wrote or Petit, but I must point out that both have been (when healthy) roughly league average pitchers, or a hell of a lot better than Petit. Jimenez’ cup of coffee in 2008 resulted in more WAR than Petit’s career figure. Anyway. Cha Baek’s ‘07 was worth 1.7 WAR, compared to Petit’s best year of 0.2.)

by marc w on Nov 5, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just wish the team still had Yorvit, Yorman and Yuniesky to go with Yusmeiro

… wouldn’t win too many games, but would be fun to announce the lineup

by Suburban Shocker on Nov 6, 2009 7:11 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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