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Questions:

Where are you going for the weekend? Family? Friends? Travel?

What are your favorite Thanksgiving foods?

OK to stuff yourself for no apparent reason on Thanksgiving even when trying to be healthy?

Are you shopping this weekend? If so, are you going to do the whole Black Friday line-up Thanksgiving night thing?

Great Thanksgiving travel and food stories

What's your favorite holiday?

Most importantly, what are you thankful for this year?

 

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- Going to hang out with some friends who are also here without family for dinner, and hopefully then just mill around the rest of the weekend
- Stuffing! I’m not a huge gravy person, so stuffing and sweet yams save the day
- Yes, a thousand times yes. Only time of year (besides Korean BBQ) that I’ll eat for no reason other than to eat
- Probably. I don’t have any money, but I want a Blu-Ray player and a new GPS to replace the one that was stolen. Definitely will not spend over $200, so it’s really a choice between electronics and clothes
- Favorite holiday used to be Thanksgiving, but seeing as how I haven’t had Thanksgiving with family since 2002, it’s probably now 4th of July, since it’s the one time of year I get to be in Seattle and it’s actually nice outside

by seattlebruin on Nov 25, 2009 4:48 PM PST reply actions  

I'm thankful for a beautiful place to live, a cozy and convenient job, and not living in Temecula.

I’m thankful for good beer and better company, and great MW2 teammates.
I’m thankful for Lookout Landing giving me a place to rest during the day, and for Robert getting me the easiest 60 recs anyone will ever get.
I’m thankful for New Moon.

Most importantly, I’m thankful for my family and friends, no matter how distant. I love the holidays because they remind me how important it is to remember the people in our lives, and appreciate them for enriching it so much. Even from two states away.

by seattlebruin on Nov 25, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

xo

I’m Amtraking it to Portland to hang with the family. It’s hokey but fun.
I love every single traditional Thanksgiving dish. Turkey, pie, stuffing, yams, green beans, rolls, the works.
Yes, of course. Who on earth would avoid Thanksgiving foods for any reason other than allergies?
I am not personally shopping but I am accompanying mom on some Black Friday morning adventures.
I have no good stories :/
Favorite holiday is this one. Easily.
My pets, my family, El Bencho, Bullpen Rally Cuddle, Eyebrows, Griffey tickles, well behaved babies and not being dead yet

by royalcurve on Nov 25, 2009 4:49 PM PST reply actions  

I'm staying home

I’ve got a turkey thawing and I’m making my mothers pumpkin pie recipe tonight. Tomorrow I’ll be making the classics, sweet potatoes, mashed potatoes, green bean casserole, corn bread stuffing.

I’m doing Amazon’s black Friday and that’s it. I’ve learned my lesson on going to the mall.

Great stories? My senior year at USC my gf and I decided last minute to drive to Washington to spend time with my family. We told my mom that we weren’t going to make it on time in hopes of surprising my family. We ended up pulling into my parents drive way right as they were getting ready to head to my grand parents (my parents live in Spanaway, grand parents in Oak Harbor). If we’d been 5 minutes later we would’ve missed my parents, whoops!

I’m thankful I still have a job and a place to live, and for my doggies. And that I’m not a bRuin.

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by bluemax on Nov 25, 2009 4:50 PM PST reply actions  

Woo Steam Sale

Link!

25% off DA:O so tempting. That THQ pack is ridiculous too, but I already own half the games.

[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]

by bluemax on Nov 25, 2009 5:02 PM PST reply actions  

Wow

If I didn’t own almost all of those games already the Valve Complete Pack is a crazy deal.

You get every half life game, every half life 2 game including episode 1 and 2, every counter strike game, left 4 dead 1 and 2, team fortress 2 and portal all for 100 bucks.

by OlSalty on Nov 25, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay.

All the way to Redmond. For the first time in years we are not going to my sister’s in Cle Elum— there have been years where the weather turned us back, but this is the first time we made the decision two weeks ahead of time. Our dad is almost 91, and he wants to save the drive for the Christmas visit.

I feel a little bit like I’ve already had thanksgiving— I spent the making turkey & trimmings so my dad can have turkey leftovers, since my brother decided we are having ham tomorrow. There is a pumpkin pie in the oven, and another crust waiting for chocolate cream filling to be made in the morning.

I’m a fan of the classic turkey/mashedpotato/stuffing/gravy melange. And the pie.

You can eat too much of the healthy stuff, too.

No shopping if I can possibly avoid it. I need to replace the old laptop, but I have not the strength of character (nor a real idea of what I want) to face the sales. Amazon has a black friday sale??

No good Trains/Planes stories. We spent our childhood trading off christmas & thanksgiving with the cousins in Bremerton, and then the most centrally located sister after we lost our mom. A few years ago, we were heading up 90 and the snow started snowing- fortunately we hadn’t passed that last forest service turnaround, so we got back around, and didn’t spend anytime sitting on the pass. Not much excitement other than stressing the weather :)

Thankful for family and friends, for still having a job, for the extended baseball family that has grown up the last few years….

by msb on Nov 25, 2009 5:19 PM PST reply actions  

I forgot.

I think my favorite holiday is Christmas … I like all the stuff leading up to it, the music (in moderation) and the lights (no moderation) and even though I complain about the card making and the baking and the candy making each year.

If I could just figure out how to do it in July instead of December.

by msb on Nov 25, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Answers

Heading back down to Edmonds to see the family and have our big family get together. Thursday morning gonna be playing the annual Turkey Bowl with my old high school friends then pretty much booked solid the whole weekend with family stuff.

I’m a fan of the mashed potatoes especially, my aunt makes this special recipe with garlic and sour cream that is probably little more than a concentrated heart attack sauce but it tastes amazing. Also, the canned cranberry sauce, and pumpkin pie.

I always stuff myself on Thanksgiving, it’s only one night and I feel like I’m kind of insulting the cook if they spend all that time to make all that food and I don’t eat my fill of it.

I’m staying as far away from shopping centers as possible. I learned a while ago that you can find pretty fantastic deals online for most things these days that don’t involve annoying crowds, as long as you order them well ahead of time.

Don’t really have any great travel stories.

Thanksgiving is by far my favorite holiday.

Thankful for friends, family, and great people to talk baseball and castration by whale with.

by OlSalty on Nov 25, 2009 5:34 PM PST reply actions  

We're heading to my parents tomorrow.

There are certain foods that I love, but for whatever reason I only eat during the holiday times. These include pumpkin pie, turkey, and cranberries. While I eat it more often, I’m also a big stuffing fan. I’ve never tried green bean casserole before, but I learned today it’s supposedly a big Thanksgiving dish. I’ll be preparing that to be my contribution tomorrow (along with wine, mead, and store bought rolls).

It’s fine to stuff oneself on Thanksgiving. I don’t like it, but I’ve always found that winter is a time to gain the weight one will be working off in spring and summer.

I used to be very gung-ho about Black Friday, all getting to Best Buy before 1am to wait in line. This year? I’m almost entirely done with my Christmas shopping already, and there is very little room left in my checking account to buy additional gifts for myself. I’ll likely go to a few stores like Fred Meyer or Target, though – stores that have decent sales, but that aren’t necessarily going to be madhouses either.

Christmas is my favorite holiday, but I really do like Thanksgiving. It gets the whole holiday season rolling.

I’m thankful the Mariners are on the upswing, even if the Seahawks are not. And for family & my wife.

by katal on Nov 25, 2009 5:44 PM PST reply actions  

I'm driving out to my mom's sometime tomorrow afternoon.

My top 3 thanksgiving foods gotta be ham, cranberry sauce and pumpkin pie.

My buddies and I ultimately decided against doing the early morning black Friday shopping. Basically, none of us wanted to get up that early. Though I may still mill around later in the day. I’m more or less done with my Christmas shopping already, so anything I pick up would be for me.

This is probably my 2nd favorite holiday, with 4th of July being #1.

Also, I just got the book Ball Four today as a gift. I think I remember a few of you saying it was a pretty good read.

"you don’t drive in runs with base on balls."
~gitanoloco

by Goose on Nov 25, 2009 6:10 PM PST reply actions  

Hey!

Fiddlecat can be seen fiddling on Comcast ch. 114, Thanksgiving morning at 7am, as they show March of the Wooden Soldiers

by msb on Nov 25, 2009 6:16 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

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-Going to Olympia to hang out with family and the soon-to-be-in-laws tomorrow. Work on Friday.

-Mashed potatoes, stuffing and cranberry sauce for the main course, sweet potato pie for dessert.

-Of course. It’s what the holiday is all about and if you don’t allow yourself the opportunity to guiltlessly splurge every now and again you’ll never enjoy yourself.

-Maybe. We’ll see.

-Don’t really have any.

-Christmas. Easily.

-Finding out that the person I love and want to spend the rest of life with is insane enough to marry me, some wonderful new friends, finding a new job that I like, getting over my fear of growing up.

by Aaron Campeau on Nov 25, 2009 6:36 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

Oooh, I'll play.

Where are you going for the weekend? Family? Friends? Travel?
I don’t celebrate Thanksgiving. I stay at home, rent three movies (whatever’s new) and make both chocolate chip pancakes and my spectacular Macaroni and Cheese. It will be year 6 of this tradition.
What are your favorite Thanksgiving foods?
See above. Pumpkin pie is pretty good though.
OK to stuff yourself for no apparent reason on Thanksgiving even when trying to be healthy?
No, fat ass. Eat a salad.
Are you shopping this weekend? If so, are you going to do the whole Black Friday line-up Thanksgiving night thing?
I would, but all I want for myself is an electric razor and I found no good deals. For the holidays, I usually just buy my friends little trinkets from Fuego, so no need to shop early.
Great Thanksgiving travel and food stories
Last year I found out that my chocolate chips had molded. Since I wanted to keep with the tradition and all the grocery stores were closed, I made my pancakes with the moldy chocolate chips anyway. Otherwise I don’t really have good stories since my celebration of the holiday is all of nothing.
What’s your favorite holiday?
Channukah? At least I don’t have to fast or eat cardboard.
Most importantly, what are you thankful for this year?
Coffee. Having a legitimately exciting social life. That there is someone insane enough to marry acblue. Finding myself a year older, a year more experienced, and not becoming emotionally damaged during the process. Also, I can bowl over 150 by spinning between my legs. So… I’m thankful I have learned how to control the bowling ball so that I don’t accidentally swing it into directly into my crotch.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Nov 25, 2009 7:13 PM PST reply actions  

These don't seem to go together.
I stay at home, rent three movies (whatever’s new) and make both chocolate chip pancakes and my spectacular Macaroni and Cheese. It will be year 6 of this tradition.

OK to stuff yourself for no apparent reason on Thanksgiving even when trying to be healthy?
No, fat ass. Eat a salad.

by katal on Nov 25, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Molded?

do you mean they had a faint grey covering? if so, that is just ‘fat bloom’— fat or cocoa butter separating from the chocolate

by msb on Nov 25, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, maybe.

It was super white though all over, to the point where it came off on my fingers a bit. But it was still just a white film.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Nov 25, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

This is really off-topic...

But I just saw that your LL User ID (I think that’s what it stands for) is ‘leet’. You win. Forever. I’m going to rec everything you post, and women should be performing fellatio on you upon sight.

The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!

by JamMasterJesus on Nov 25, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yup.

um. yup to the white film, not yup to JMJ.

by msb on Nov 25, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Holidays based around food suck for people like me.

Going to the parents house tonight, Working tommorow afternoon, Pizza/beer/MW2 with other retail orphans and people without family around for dinner/ Doing my 5th and so far easiest Black Friday shift, Drinking and friends likely to follow at other parts of the weekend

Thanksgiving food is disgusting.

If you want to be gross then go ahead. Christmas is a different story.

The stuff that you see discounted is stuff that is normally marked up to all hell. So yeah it maybe a cheap ass TV but it’s going to be a no name POS that I wouldn’t count on lasting very long. The stores normally only carry a handful of the big name stuff so if you want to get them you have to get there early and fight for the stuff. Whatever floats your boat but humanity fucking sucks.

Not a Thanksgiving story but the best travel story that I have is when I stayed up for 68 hours with only 4 hours of sleep thrown in there (51 hours straight) while traveling to a different continent for the first time in my life. The last 8 hours involved me walking 12 miles. By the time I finally got some sleep, I had been imagining conversations with the person that I was traveling with, had a sense of humor that went completely haywire and was falling asleep on my feet while waiting to cross the street.

Fourth of July but Christmas time is my favorite time of year.

My family’s health (only 1 member died this year and he wasn’t even blood related!), getting closer to friends both old and new, not dying while living on my own, falling in love with the Sounders, falling back in love with the Mariners, my new John Carlson jersey, having arguably the best year of my life after a miserable 08.

by Robert on Nov 25, 2009 7:37 PM PST reply actions  

With kids, everybody wants to see them and it's like traveling with satan.

So no we’re starting our own tradition, home for the holidays. 30 different people can come visit us, we’ve got the only grand kids on both sides and strangely enough that puts you firmly in the drivers seat. Funny how accommodating parents can suddenly become, who knew.

Food: Just about all of it, except celery in the stuffing. It’s the stringy bits, ewwww.

Gorging yourself: Hells yeah, it’s amnesty day. Too bad they don’t have college football on all day, hand tucked in the pants with a fat tummy and a cold beer.

Hate hate hate shopping. You can put me in some batshit crazy situations and I don’t even register half the time. Shopping? Total anxiety fit, like trying to put a cat in the bathtub. Quick in, quick out, go home, off-peak shopping only.

4th of July, or maybe Labor Day. Summer weather, 4 day weekends, water, explosions on the 4th are fun, but for the crowds.

I was very fortunate to have made the acquaintance of some terrifically fascinating people this year. Even managed to make a few new friends out of the deal, that’s pretty tough to beat. They even manage to ignore my social gaffes, brilliant.

by Kermit. on Nov 25, 2009 8:05 PM PST reply actions  

Idea for a podcast? A Very Special Holiday Lookout Landing Podcast could be interesting.

Here is the only cool/interesting thing I have to add to this conversation.

For a few years during my early 20’s, after the holiday dinner was over with I would gather with several friends downtown at a bar or a dance club. We always seemed to have a great time on those nights. I usually don’t do well at such places and so I rarely go but Thanksgiving was an exception.

Anyways, that is the best story I have for Thankgiving.
I tend to like Thanksgiving slightly more than Christmas nowadays, but I have not been really big on the holidays for the last few years.

Also, I am thankful for Look Landing (actually meeting a few people via here was pretty neat), USSM, the Mariners in general (on and off the field and media folk) and the Mariners Front Office.
… I am thankful for other things but those are not baseball related.

by mark sobba on Nov 25, 2009 9:13 PM PST reply actions  

As many of the regular commenters/mods as possible.

There would be some Mariner talk mixed with some sing-a-long holiday songs.
Maybe there would be some guests: Rick Rizz? Shannon Drayer? You know, all the people that would show up for a very special holiday Lookout Landing podcast!

by mark sobba on Nov 26, 2009 1:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Answers!

1. We were going to go to Seattle, but my wife woke up this morning with a hellish evil migraine. When she gets these she’s usually out for three days. So, barring a miraculous recovery, we’ll just be staying here and I’ll be the guy at Fred Meyer at 7 tomorrow morning frantically buying whatever Thanksgiving-ish meal I can cobble together, since we don’t have anything in the house due to our planned trip up north.

2. Anything brown. I like green vegetables just fine, and there’s plenty of room on my Thanksgiving plate for them, but I don’t really eat turkey, stuffing, or gravy very often at all during the year – Thanksgiving dinner is pretty much my favorite meal of all holiday meals. Don’t give me any of that newfangled “cuisine” crap, either – I want a turkey with a pop-up timer filled with white-bread-and-celery stuffing, mashed potatoes with gravy made from turkey drippings, and some sort of buttermilk biscuit to sop it all up with.

3. Yes. I work out 3-4 times a week, plus I bike a minimum of 60 miles most weeks – if I want two plates of gravy-covered goodness followed by a slice of pumpkin pie topped with enough Cool Whip to drown a circus midget, then by god that’s what I’m gonna do. The gym’s open Friday.

4. Good lord no. I am the person for whom online shopping was invented.

5. Most of my Thanksgiving travel stories involve Reno, large quantities of alcohol, and a boisterous family that feeds me lots of meat and alcohol in a short period of time. They all blend together into one giant pile of awesome. I love Thanksgiving more than any other holiday, because it’s a time for families and friends to hang out without any religious overtones or gift-giving pressures; you just chill, drink, eat, and see people you haven’t seen in months. It’s an awesome day.

6. Thanksgiving, easy. Even more than my birthday, even more than Christmas; it’s a pressure-free fun time, always.

7. I’m thankful that my wife, migraines aside, is healthy and that we’re happy; I’m thankful that my whole extended family is still alive and ticking for another year; I’m thankful that my two autistic nephews are starting to develop basic speech; I’m thankful that their mother (my sister) is such an amazing and patient mom with two challenging kids. I’m thankful for all the people I’ve met here (either in person or just online), I’m thankful that I have people around me that love me (so they say) and care about what happens to me. All in all, my life is pretty goddamn good, and I’m more thankful for that than I can possibly express.

by pdb on Nov 25, 2009 9:25 PM PST reply actions  

That is great news about your nephews.

Without getting too LLLJ, our eldest son also has autism so I fully understand how thankful you and your sister are for them to develop any language. With them, any new word is a good word – even when it’s a naughty word.

by Jed MC on Dec 2, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

The first time the oldest one said "shit"

his dad couldn’t decide between feeling anger because it was a swearword, pride because it was a new word, or overjoyed because it was a new word used in the correct context. He went with overjoyed, followed by a mild scolding.

by pdb on Dec 2, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel the same way.

My wife and I laughed so hard when he used “fuck” appropriately the first time that it took a few months of the mild scolding to get him to stop saying it. Now he just whispers it and does the “I’m naughty” smile.

by Jed MC on Dec 2, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

This Thanksgiving will be spent with family (wife, kids, wife's grandmother) and a few childhood friends.

It’s cliche, I know, but I am most certainly a turkey leg kinda guy.

I try not to over-eat, as I’m trying to lose weight for a search-and-rescue team tryout, but I probably won’t be able to help myself.

I won’t be doing any shopping this weekend, mostly because the nearest shopping mall is two-and-a-half hours away, but I also have no need to stand in line with a bunch of other people that would probably just end up pissing me off.

And I’m thankful for a great family, super friends, an online community that is both knowledgeable and fun.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING, LL!

Say it with me: Washington Capitals. Capitals.
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997

by JLProck on Nov 25, 2009 10:30 PM PST reply actions  

A couple Thanksgivings ago

my dad, who had broken his shoulder the day before and was hopped up on I don’t know how many painkillers, solemnly asked us all to “thank Squanto” before we sat down to eat. I love this holiday.

by Liebkartoffel on Nov 25, 2009 10:56 PM PST reply actions  

Answers!

1. I’m going to spend Thanksgiving at my grandparents’ home in Oak Harbor, back home for the rest of the weekend.

2. Everything but cranberry sauce.

3. It’s okay to have a cheat day every now and then. So long as you don’t make a habit of eating like crazy you can afford one day of gluttony.

4. Probably not. I’m going into my last academic week at school for the quarter so I need this weekend to finish off projects.

5. Nothing really stands out to be honest.

6. Probably Christmas. The love for that holiday I’ve held since childhood never died.

7. I’m thankful for my wonderful family, a stable job, the chance to go to college, and this crazy but fantastic community we call Lookout Landing.

by BrianL on Nov 25, 2009 11:05 PM PST reply actions  

Hello!

1) Nowhere! I like that! I will probably have to work 2 or 3 days this weekend, and I do not like that.

2) I’m going to be honest here, I was never much of a Thanksgiving person. I hope we can still be friends. I suppose I can say mashed potatoes, because they’re great. But I eat them all the time, so maybe you think I’m dodging the question. I’m so sorry.

3) For all of those waiting for marc w’s permission to stuff yourself while trying to be healthy, it is hereby granted.

4) Like Kermit/pdb, I viscerally hate shopping in a physical place that isn’t a record store, so no. I made the foray out to Black Friday to buy a TV about 3 years ago, and while I was pleased with the deal, I’m done for 10 years. I’m out. I have a computer, and UPS can find my house, so I’m good.

5) Eh, no real thanksgiving-specific stories. I’ll save the others for when I’m drunker.

6) That’s a good question, and I don’t really know. Maybe 4th of July? It was a big deal for my family for some reason. I have no family in Washington, and my folks never wanted to travel, so Thanksgiving was always just us and some childless friends of my folks. Which was fine; it was often quite pleasant, but it felt like any random Sunday. I like Christmas, just because we’ve made our own traditions. I still don’t really know what to do on Thanksgiving, other than watch football.

7) If I told you, I’d have to kill you.

by marc w on Nov 25, 2009 11:09 PM PST reply actions  

Now seems to be a good time to try this.

Where are you going for the weekend? Family? Friends? Travel?
I am headed across the lake to Kirkland for dinner with my uncle, his partner, and assorted misfits. I make the cranberry sauce. It’s low key. But it is not filled with tasty foods.

What are your favorite Thanksgiving foods?
I grew up in a family that didn’t cook—so I am not enamored with box stuffing or dry turkey. However, bacon stuffing or artichoke spinach stuffing…that I could eat pounds. And I have. Also pumpkin pie is a delicious breakfast.

OK to stuff yourself for no apparent reason on Thanksgiving even when trying to be healthy?
Again pumpkin pie makes great breakfast.

Are you shopping this weekend? If so, are you going to do the whole Black Friday line-up Thanksgiving night thing?
We might go to 99 Bottles as they have Chocolate Pumpkin Porter and holy crap that sounds like Thanksgiving.

Great Thanksgiving travel and food stories
I was in Nicaragua for Thanksgiving a few years back. To make it feel like home (since we had no turkey, but we did have roast chicken and mashed potatoes, along with beans and rice), we rented Planes, Trains and Automobiles and then got drunk off Flor de Cana rum mixed with ice cream. Although I have never done this at my actual Thanksgivings, somehow it felt like home.

What’s your favorite holiday?
Christmas Eve

Most importantly, what are you thankful for this year?
Having been in Seattle for a year. Being in a steady job and having a bit of a side income as well. My soccer team challenging the top four. Being closer to my family, and being able to see them more often than once a year. The amazing analyst, writer, and snarkmaster I call my boyfriend. Excellent beer. And finding a wonderful circle of friends who are both willing to stand in the middle of a bar and yell at the Mariners or just sit around and have intelligent conversations. And the fact that LL will put aside the jokes sometimes and say that they really are thankful for some great things in their lives.

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Nov 25, 2009 11:10 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

So this is something of an odd question I think, but I need an unbiased opinion;

is glucosamine actually effective? The noises my joints make aren’t the kinds of noise you want to hear at 27. There has been nothing indicative of arthritis to this point, and I’d like to keep it that way. In the past I’ve never been quite brave enough to spend the dough, but I can get the stuff relatively cheap now. I’m curious to hear about the experiences of others.

by Aaron Campeau on Nov 26, 2009 1:53 AM PST reply actions  

I have written thousands of articles on Glucosamine.

As far as I could tell from legitimate sources, it does a little, but not a lot, and likely not enough to notice a significant difference. It’s also better on certain areas. Still, it’s harmless and not entirely useless. Chondroitin I’m even less sure about. Found several places calling it useless, but Mayo Clinic says it’s useful for Osteoarthritis.

Not first person, sorry, but I did look this up quite a bit. Hope that helps a little.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Nov 26, 2009 2:11 AM PST up reply actions  

No, that's quite helpful.

I love my job and I think the company I work for is a very good one, but things tend to get slightly…dogmatic, maybe? I don’t know if that’s the best way to describe it, but at any rate people around the office might not be as objective as I might like.

It’s a weird place to be, because I honestly believe that there are many homeopathic/natural remedies that are quite effective, but I’m also skeptical enough to believe that a lot of this stuff is total hokum. Admitting that you’re selling things that aren’t effective isn’t really all that conducive to a healthy business. I get that. Really though, I’d just like to stop sounding like a walk through the forest every time I move.

by Aaron Campeau on Nov 26, 2009 2:27 AM PST up reply actions  

You should be skeptical. Most are bunk.

I write pro-herbal positions because I’m paid to, but in the course of my research, all of the legitimate places I find claim the vast majority of them don’t work. Kava works. Saw Palmetto is supposed to work a little, Glucosamine works a little. Most others don’t. But I mean, think of it logically – there are thousands of natural health problems, what’s the chance that these random plants actually combats a specific illness? Or, as the marketers claim, multiple health problems?

The irony is that you shouldn’t let that stop you from taking them. If you’re unsure if it works, and you take it and you feel it working, even if the reality is that it is just placebo, who cares?

While I’m sure you’ve seen many things like this, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4997728/ gives a good intro to herbal medicine, though the article itself is about women, and I even doubt their theory of Echinecea (as far as I’ve read, it doesn’t do shit), but it’s an okay intro…

At this point I’m rambling. Basically, the vast majority of herbs probably don’t work, but the vast majority also don’t kill you, and the same reason you shouldn’t trust herbs (poorly designed studies, etc.) is the same reason they could easily work. SSS and all that. Michael Saunders hits .330/.400/.500 his first week as a Mariner, it means nothing, but just as you can’t prove he’ll do that well in the future, you also can’t say definitively that he won’t do even better.

Yep.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Nov 26, 2009 3:10 AM PST up reply actions  

It does work a little but the popping in your joints might not be due to arthritis at all

Not to bring up cats again but as I mentioned in the cat thread, my old cat has pretty severe arthritis in his hips so we’ve been giving him glucosamine for about year. There’s definitely been some improvement. It had reached the point where he wasn’t even cleaning himself anymore because of the pain, but now he does again. Cats.

Do you feel pain in your joints along with the popping? Because it might not be a cartilage issue at all, sometimes it’s just a buildup of carbon dioxide in the joint tissue that releases with sudden movement, and some people have it naturally more than others. It could also be a thyroid issue but that’s more unlikely. For instance I’m only 24 and have had similar issues with joint popping, but in my case it’s probably a side effect of the medication for hashimotos hypothyroidism. Apparently when you have too much of the main thyroid hormone (hyperthyroidism, which I got when the original prescribed dose was too high) you can get popping and pain in your joints all over your body.

It can’t hurt to take glucosamine anyways though as a preventative measure.

by OlSalty on Nov 26, 2009 3:41 AM PST up reply actions  

My hips and elbows hurt a lot.

My elbows will occasionally lock up and not move past a certain point, which means I have to make a really violent motion in order to regain a normal range of movement. That hurts like a motherfucker.

by Aaron Campeau on Nov 26, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Might be a bone spur in that case

I’m not a doctor or anything but it sounds like it could be a tendon or something snagging on an abnormal bone growth. Which could be arthritis related but at 27 it’s probably not. You’d probably have to get an MRI to find out for sure.

by OlSalty on Nov 27, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not localized though.

Both elbows and my ankles sometimes. I think I’ve just got bad genes.

by Aaron Campeau on Nov 28, 2009 12:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Might as well give this a shot

Where are you going for the weekend? Family? Friends? Travel?
I am going to eat with at my aunt’s house in Bellevue with my mom’s siblings and my cousins. Generally a fun time since I only see these people 4 or 5 times a year

What are your favorite Thanksgiving foods?
Green bean casserole and pumpkin pie could be the only two dishes served and I would be happy.

OK to stuff yourself for no apparent reason on Thanksgiving even when trying to be healthy?
Hell yes

Are you shopping this weekend? If so, are you going to do the whole Black Friday line-up Thanksgiving night thing?
I’m going to do Black Friday, hopefully, if only to witness the (in)humanity of it all. Having worked retail the last two Black Fridays, it will be nice to have a stress free day. I am still not sure about gettin up that early but it’ll hopefully be worth it and I’ll have all weekend to sleep.

Great Thanksgiving travel and food stories
None really as Thanksgiving for me has always taken place in Bellevue or Kirkland

What’s your favorite holiday?
I’d have to say Christmas just because it’s such a peaceful and care free day in general. I’ve always liked the presents but it’s just always been a good day in general.

Most importantly, what are you thankful for this year?
I’m thankful to have the opportunity to go to college. I’m also thankful to have a healthy and intact family and a fairly large group of friends I can count on. Most importantly I’m happy that I am able to live pretty well and not have to worry about starving or having a place to live or not having insurance. (Sorry, one of my classes has made this especially apparent to me)

by Mariner John on Nov 26, 2009 2:54 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Answers

I’m overseas studying and working, but I’ll be Skyping my gathered family tonight after going to a thanksgiving dinner and then going out with my several of my classmates and the girlfriend of one of them who just flew in tonight (D’awww)

What are your favorite Thanksgiving foods?
I love cranberry sauce more than any other garnish/condiment/whatever you call it. Turkey and cranberry sauce (or any sandwich with cranberry sauce) is the best sandwich there is. I prefer canned cranberry sauce because it’s what I know and love. The homemade kind seems a little adventurous and intimidating, but I’ll try it someday.

It’s your call on the stuffing yourself if you’re on a diet – do what makes you feel more confident about the diet/healthy eating – if you gotta splurge one day to keep your sanity, then do it, but otherwise don’t.

Great Thanksgiving travel and food stories:
The cuisine of ThaiLLand that I made last week was actually for a Thanksgiving dinner celebration – my colleagues and I held it early on the weekend because many of us are going on various trips today.

What’s your favorite holiday?
I dunno. Good question.

Most importantly, what are you thankful for this year?
I’m thankful for the internet, because I can keep in close touch with my friends and family and my beLLoved Mariners on the other side of the world because of it.

by Decatur on Nov 26, 2009 7:26 AM PST reply actions  

Well, all right.

- I had a class 4-6 on Weds that wasn’t canceled until two weeks ago, so my mom opted to fly here and we’re hanging out and such. I think tomorrow we’re going to the Guggenheim to see the Kandinsky exhibit. We might go to some other museums too, but the semester is winding down and I’m grinding things out.

- Stuffing maybe? Or the yams even though they may not actually be yams?

- Yes. I extend “all things in moderation” to the practice of moderation itself.

- Maybe online.

- Sorry, can’t think of any. I have one great Christmas story though.

- Maybe this one, but primarily because everyone in my Dad’s family can cook really well. Food is pretty much something that can’t disappoint.

- I’m thankful for a lot of things. I was tempted to leave it at that, but…: continued health of friends and family (with those needing help getting it), good gigs (baseball and non), good people to work with (baseball, academic, and non), great people to drink with, Columbia’s media library for reducing my need for a Netflix subscription, the generosity of their scholarship department for making sure I’m not going through the couch for spare change so I can eat (though I don’t have a couch and I will be unemployable soon enough), Microsoft for getting off their asses and making an O/S that doesn’t have schizophrenia (also Zune, praise Zune), that one street vendor on Broadway where I got the complete editions of Wallace Stevens poetry and prose and Borges’ fictions, and an assortment of other items I can’t quite think of at the moment.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 26, 2009 9:17 AM PST reply actions  

Other things I'm thankful for:

- Not getting the swine flu despite living in a cesspool.
-American Spirit Perique Blends for allowing me to remain pretentious even though cloves are now illegal.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 26, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Huh.

somehow I missed that David Bell managed the Carolina Mudcats last year. He also managed the Saguaros for the AFL this year

by msb on Nov 26, 2009 10:56 AM PST reply actions  

M's interested in not-Chapman Cuban defector

Yahoo Sports

Baseball Prospectus

Left-hander with FB in low-90s, curve, change, slider, and solid command? Yes, please. Probably going to cost $9 million though.

Preemptively, Fuck the Yankees.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 26, 2009 11:53 AM PST reply actions  

I'm in Vegas again, which makes for a weird holiday.

I get the day off as a technicality, but things are too busy to actually take the time to do more than check LL for anything interesting. I eat with the other coworkers that get stuck out here, and get bugged about going out to “party”, as partying goes in LV. I won’t. Instead, I’ll go back to my hotel room and hit the gym since it’ll be empty and go to dinner (see below).

Stuffing is pretty high on the list for me, but my favorite Thanksgiving food was always a good steak. Tonight I’ll be making a trip to StripSteak at Mandalay for the best Kobe Filet on the strip. It’ll make up for the subpar traditional dinner, but moreso it’s something that I’ve always done for myself when doing the holidays thing.

I thought that it was illegal to not stuff yourself.

No.

All my stories are more tragic than funny when it comes to holidays.

Jesus I hate holidays. I don’t have family or friends, everything is closed and it’s impossible to get anything done.

I don’t really know how to answer this question. I’m thankful for the teriyaki jerky I bought yesterday that will tide me over until my dinner, I guess?

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Nov 26, 2009 3:16 PM PST reply actions  

Wow, I'm a downer.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Nov 26, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Happy Food Day, Lookout Landing.

"you don’t drive in runs with base on balls."
~gitanoloco

by Goose on Nov 26, 2009 7:26 PM PST reply actions  

Let's see

Where are you going for the weekend? Family? Friends? Travel?

Family

What are your favorite Thanksgiving foods?

Potatoes

OK to stuff yourself for no apparent reason on Thanksgiving even when trying to be healthy?

OK

Are you shopping this weekend? If so, are you going to do the whole Black Friday line-up Thanksgiving night thing?

No

Great Thanksgiving travel and food stories

None

What’s your favorite holiday?

New Year

Most importantly, what are you thankful for this year?

Ms. Jeff and Trader Joe’s Corn Puffs

by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 26, 2009 7:34 PM PST reply actions  

What am I doing this Thanksgiving day weekend?

Watching the University of Portland Pilots stomp UCLA into the dirt baby!

50!

by joof on Nov 26, 2009 10:58 PM PST reply actions  

I'm more scared of them coming to Hec Ed

than of playing Georgetown in Anaheim….

The Hawks should be better.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Nov 27, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

As a Georgetown alum who's going to said game in Anaheim, I should probably take issue with that.

But having watched Portland play UCLA and seen three underwhelming Hoyas games, gadzooks I think that’s spot on.

by pmc47 on Nov 27, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, exactly!

Looking at the schedule before the season started I would say Georgetown would for sure be the toughest match but after seeing them play Temple I think it was I was pretty underwhelmed. They still have talent though and are a good team, so it is a tough game but Portland against UCLA looked damn good, the Dawgs could sleep on them.

The Hawks should be better.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Nov 27, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Something that kind of went unnoticed today.

Bob Sheppard retired.

Holy crap, I had no idea he was 99 years old!

"you don’t drive in runs with base on balls."
~gitanoloco

by Goose on Nov 27, 2009 12:28 AM PST reply actions  

From that voice, I'd say it's about right.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 27, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions  

dear dipshit corporation

If you expect me to be in at 5 fucking am and expect me to sell fucking shitty products all while maintaining a god damn fucking smile perhaps you can fucking making fucking god damn fucking sure that you fucking credit card servers don’t go fucking three fucking mile fucking island. Fuck.fuck fuck fuck. Fuck

by Robert on Nov 27, 2009 6:36 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

This doesn't sound too good
Professional golfer Tiger Woods was seriously injured in a car accident early this morning, the Florida Highway Patrol just reported.

Woods, 33, pulled out of his driveway in the Isleworth community about 2:25 a.m. when he struck a fire hydrant, and then drove into a tree at his neighbor’s property, FHP reported.

Link

"you don’t drive in runs with base on balls."
~gitanoloco

by Goose on Nov 27, 2009 12:16 PM PST reply actions  

From the Fark thread on the subject:
TFA says he drove into a water hazzard and ended up in the rough.
Is he 6 under yet?
He hit a fire hydrant then hit a tree hard enough to seriously injure himself?
It’s safe to sat he wasn’t putting along.
I hope his condition swings around.
His short game was always better than his drive.

And so on and so forth.

"you don’t drive in runs with base on balls."
~gitanoloco

by Goose on Nov 27, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Heading down to the Showbox to see

The Lonely Forest and Telekinesis play tonight. Should be a fantastic show.

The Hawks should be better.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Nov 27, 2009 12:58 PM PST reply actions  

BOOOOO Gabby.

Trashy, trashy goal. C’mon Spurs, you’re better than that.

by marc w on Nov 28, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Go find the Nov 30th issue of the New Yorker

to read Roger Angell’s annual recap of the WS. So what if that means he talks Yankees, it is Roger Angell:

“No words of succor can mean much to Mats fans … This time, the Mets’ problems and psyche may require something more than better luck and the customary between-season signings and statements for them to reverse things — some fresh attitudes, and perhaps less conviction of their own wonderfulness. And I don’t mean another manager.”

“The Tigers led, 3-2, early on, fell behind but tied it up, then took the lead again in the tenth only to be retired, and died, 6-5 in the bottom of the twelfth.Their manager, Jim Leyland, stood in the late going with one foot up on the step of the dugout and the same gaunt Dorothea Lange expression on his face that we first saw back in 1991 when his Pittsburgh Pirates, caught up in a seven-game NLCS with the Braves, scored no runs in the last eighteen innings of the year.”

“I’m not going to get around to CC Sabathia’s sunny looks and pavilion-sized pants and weird, white-toed spikes, or ask batters how they feel about his fastball-cutter-changeup assortment that arrives (he’s six-seven and two hundred and ninty pounds) like a loaded tea tray coming down an airshaft.”

There is a wonderful, long description of Cliff Lee’s pitching motion (always one of Angell’s strong suits) and of fellow Arkansan AJ Burnett (“Burnett, a Tom Joad with beads, has that Ozarky look, too”), his thoughts on the change in Alex this year, and brief but pointed observations of the likely-gone Damon & Matsui

by msb on Nov 28, 2009 8:32 AM PST reply actions  

Fucking hell Portsmouth.

Just had to keep United out for 45 minutes and you go and concede three goals instead. Nice.

by Graham MacAree on Nov 28, 2009 9:00 AM PST reply actions  

They're reminiscent of Derby from a few years ago, which is such a stunning fall.

Remember kids, if you MUST sell yourself to a Russian oligarch, make sure it’s the right kind of Russian oligarch.

by marc w on Nov 28, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Overheard in the produce department...

“Are the Mariners going to get anybody?”
“No.”
“’Cause they have no money?”
“They have money but they won’t do anything, because they are the Mariners.”

by msb on Nov 28, 2009 2:12 PM PST reply actions  

Why do Mets fans routinely have more hope than we do?

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 28, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Bob the Money Tree caterpillar is apparently making a comeback

according to ads that are on during the Apple Cup Preview.

I am afraid.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Nov 28, 2009 3:24 PM PST reply actions  

Good.

I much preferred him over that cartoon caterpillar.

If every strip mall in Western Washington has to include a loan shark Money Tree, it may as well be a Money Tree with a fantastic mascot.

by katal on Nov 28, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd rather have the dramatically lit people from checkmasters

who try to take the social stigma out of payday loans.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Nov 29, 2009 1:54 AM PST up reply actions  

As a neutral observer, with no proverbial horse in he proverbial race

I can say, with pretty much 100% certainty, that the 2009 Washington State Cougars are the worst college football team I have ever seen. And I grew up watching Memphis St. lose to Arkansas St. at home. Sweet Not-So-Merciful-Heavens, they are tetrible.

by Aaron Campeau on Nov 29, 2009 2:44 AM PST reply actions  

Is this sarcasm?

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

by InSpokane on Nov 30, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Finally, something good for the Royals?

Mark Teahen is the Hutch winner.

Of course, being the Royals, Teahen is now a member of the White Sox.

by msb on Nov 30, 2009 5:35 PM PST reply actions  

You think so?

It’s weird because during the day I have zero problems with my connectivity. But at night it either goes down alltogether or is off and on.

"you don’t drive in runs with base on balls."
~gitanoloco

by Goose on Dec 1, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Aye.

If it goes down again tonight, I think I’m gonna call them tomorrow and bitch.

"you don’t drive in runs with base on balls."
~gitanoloco

by Goose on Dec 1, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Comcast has decided to show me how cool it is to not watch TV

Since roughly half of my channels display a black screen with a message reading “Your service has been temporarily interrupted. Please try again in a few moments” except it has said that for nearly a week, and every day more channels get disappeared on me. I can’t even watch ESPN or FSN anymore. It’s a bunch of bullshit

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Dec 1, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I can't look anywhere else

I definitely don’t want satellite. At least I’m not paying for my cable service, since it’s included with other stuff. That said, the lousy way things have gone since we moved in are not making me excited about upgrading with them to HD and the like. I was going to, but now I’m considering against it, especially since I feel that what they have been doing is basically forcing me to upgrade

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Dec 1, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

You need a digital box.

The non HD ones are free.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 1, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I've got one of their boxes

My TV has a built in converter though. When I first moved in, a cable plugged directly from wall jack to my TV gave me all the same channels I have now plus the local HD channels. Then, they made me use their free box when my channels started to disappear before. Now, the channels don’t even show up while using the box. Were I to get anything more from them at this point it would be an HD DVR, but I don’t want to give them any more of my money.

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Dec 2, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

What kind of SS would you project this 2B to be

~ 5 < x < 10 overall at 2B, +7.5 range runs per season past two.

Somewhere around neutral? Slightly positive? Slightly negative?

by seattlebruin on Dec 1, 2009 8:12 AM PST reply actions  

For Robert
Dewing Him In: Wizards forward Caron Butler was asked to stop drinking Mountain Dew by his team. Butler was averaging approximately 19 points and six 12-ounce bottles of green sugar a day. “Those first two weeks without The Dew were the roughest two weeks of my life,” Butler wrote on his NBA.com blog. “I’m talking headaches, sweats, and everything.” The two-time All-Star lost 11 pounds and feels better than he has in years.


Linky

by seattlebruin on Dec 1, 2009 9:44 AM PST reply actions  

By the way

if you search for “diabeetus” in Wikipedia, it takes you to the real diabetes page.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 1, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I used to drink a 2 liter a day.

And a 24oz Bookoo.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 1, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I cut out soda completely

And with just so ho hum exercise dropped 20lbs.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 1, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

*some

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 1, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Ditto

I drink soda less than once a month, and almost always it’s when I’m drunk. Cutting soda plus cutting fast food was the easiest 15 pounds I ever lost (and I’m pretty skinny to begin with)

by seattlebruin on Dec 1, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Mmmmmm, fatback...

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 2, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

On this note, my breakfast here in LV consisted of half a pan of day-old Stove Top and a bowl of chips and salsa.

And I washed it down with a bottle of non HFCS RC cola. (WOO RC COLA I LOVE YOU WEST COAST)

Yeah, that two hours in the hotel gym earlier this morning, why bother?

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Dec 2, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I have such an affinity for the taste of corn in my chips

that I don’t particularly like Tostitos tortilla chips, because they’re not “corny” enough. Give me cheap Santitas anytime.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 2, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

That's the one!

Approximately 1/2 bag of Santitas kills a nic fit like you wouldn’t believe. Anybody ever make some lazy guy guacamole and just mash up some avocado and salsa?

by Kermit. on Dec 2, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I used to have a 20 oz of soda just about every day, if not more.

Since arriving in New York, I’m down to maybe one of those a week.

I don’t really feel any better, and haven’t lost any weight, but I’m guessing it’s not any one thing like some claim.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 1, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

.

Saffie: Look, mum. All you’ve got to do is eat less and take a bit of exercise.
Eddie: Sweetie, if it was that easy, everyone would be doing it.

by msb on Dec 1, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

But it slides right down!

I don’t even have to chew! The worst of it is having to lift the spoon to my mouth. I’ve been trying to set up a microwave to I can just warm it up a bit and then chug, but it’s too much of a fire hazard to have it sitting on the couch next to me.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 1, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Tell me more of this wonderful device.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 1, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Patton Oswalt on the KFC "Famous Bowls":

“If you could put my lunch in a blender and liquefy it and put it into a caulking gun and then inject it right into my femoral artery, even better. But until you invent the lunch gun, I would like a failure pile in a sadness bowl.”

by royalcurve on Dec 1, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah me.

“Check out the Hot Stove League Show with Shannon Drayer and Rick Rizzs live from the Southcenter Mariners Team Store from 6-8pm tomorrow. Santa Moose will also be there from 7-8pm and we’ll have prizes, including autographs & Team Store gear, throughout the evening. Can’t make it? Listen live on 710”

elicited the following exchange:

Hey, maybe the M’s can just focus on winning some more games next season instead of hocking more merch.

soooooo… you’re saying the Yankees don’t sell merch?

I’m saying I’m not buying any more M’s stuff until they make the playoffs, and no one else should either. The organization doesn’t deserve any more of our cash until they put a decent team on the field.

More sales = more $$$ = more wins

No, it doesn’t. Mariners ownership has more money than god. They just don’t know how to spend it.

by msb on Dec 1, 2009 1:33 PM PST reply actions  

Not to brag but, ah what the hell

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/soundersfcblog/2010364964_feliz_dia_de_gracias.html

I’m actually a little surprised no one read this, but I think it’s because it was a Thanksgiving day article.

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Dec 1, 2009 2:51 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

That is amazing.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 1, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I like your style...

During the Offseason – Drink to make the months go by faster.
During the Season – Drink because holy shit we like the Mariners.

Being over is soberrated.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Dec 1, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

If there's anything I've learned from my deep extensive Irish roots

it’s that there are two reasons to drink: to celebrate and to mourn. How those two terms are defined is completely up to the definer.

by pdb on Dec 1, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting, I've gone through something similar.

If there’s anything I’ve learn from being Jewish, it’s that my religion hopes I’m wasted most of my life so that I forget how many people hate me.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Dec 1, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay this is pretty damn awesome

I’ve always said one of the things I love most about Bruce Springsteen is the unbridled joy, even after all these years, he shows when he’s on stage with his band. Even during songs he’s played a billion times, in a billion ways, with a billion people watching, he still looks like he’s having more fun than anybody anywhere.

This is a whole bunch of videos from his last shows at the Spectrum in Philly – at THE last shows at the Spectrum in Philly – that show off his joy, his sense of fun, his sense of local history, and his band’s almighty chops, all at once. Even if you’re not a huge fan of his stuff, check out some of these clips and be awed by what a master showman can do when he’s firing on all cylinders. If you watch nothing else, watch the version of “Higher and Higher” and be prepared to be reduced to rubble by a mighty band that has forgotten more about music than you’ll ever know.

by pdb on Dec 1, 2009 9:34 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

New Moon!

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 2, 2009 8:28 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

No no no no

it’s a saga, not an epic. Says so right in the title!

by pdb on Dec 2, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Except I think Avatar will actually be good.

Plus Toot saw the 3D trailer and said his pants got wet.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 2, 2009 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I have seen a few trailers and it looks like one of the most epic failures in modern film

it’s basically a $300 million James Cameron vanity project, which is terrifying.

by pdb on Dec 2, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm setting myself up for such a huge disappointment.

Its going to be like Watchmen all over again.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 2, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I watched it this weekend and couldn't see what all the fuss was about

It wasn’t great, it wasn’t horrible. It was long. I never read the graphic novel so I don’t know the story, but I was just kinda blah about the whole movie. Except for the lead woman oh my god she’s a horrible actor.

by pdb on Dec 2, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I have heard that.

I do want to read the novel now, though, so I guess that’s one good thing that came out of the movie.

by pdb on Dec 2, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Holy Jesus the 3D trailer looked amazing

At this point the story could be complete shit and I’d still probably go see it 2 or 3 times. 3D is legit

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Dec 2, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

At dinner on Monday night, two girls next to us talked about New Moon for twenty minutes straight.

Then later they mentioned “non-billable hours”.
Please someone tell me there is another profession besides attorney that uses that term.

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Dec 3, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

There's no way around it.

You’re going to like Twilight in three years.

by abender20 on Dec 3, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I like Twilight.

I just prefer to not spend 20 minutes comparing and contrasting the book and the movie. I would rather mock both.

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Dec 3, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

But yes, consultants do too.

Billable hours = hours of your work you can charge the client for time spent on their project.

by abender20 on Dec 3, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

A surprising number of consultants are fresh out of college/grad school

Consulting firms grab them because they’re willing to work the 75 hour weeks that those of us who are older and sane are no longer willing to put in.

by pdb on Dec 3, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

And MBA's too

most of what used to constitute the Big Six consulting firms won’t even look at you unless you have an MBA these days. It’s an overachiever’s paradise.

by pdb on Dec 3, 2009 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Used to be that they wouldn't wait for MBAs...

like Aron, when I graduated from college, it seemed like everyone I knew was going the consulting route. Econ/econometrics was big, so it made some sense, and this was before the dot com crash, so the industry was still huge and growing. Anderson/Deloitte scooped up tons and tons of 21/22 yo, though I wonder how many of them were still with the firm after the dotcom bubble (and how many then survived the enron-fueled collapse of Anderson).
Ah, the go-go 90s.

by marc w on Dec 3, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Overachiever might not be the word I'd use.

That has some positive connotations.

I’ve known some econ/business types who do this sort of thing and are basically Adderall addicts who mix themselves cocktails of stimulants, then hop planes criss-crossing the country to con investors into business deals for their start-up, then spend the entire night partying and drinking (because they don’t sleep) and driving sportcars up and down freeways at a few times the speed limit.

Their goals are usually nothing short of controlling the economic workings of entire cities and they are the most terrifying people I’ve ever met.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 3, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I had class with one of them.

He lost more money in a two or three month span than I’ve ever made in my lifetime. The solution was not to develop a better business model or behave in a more responsible manner, but to gather more investors.

It wasn’t unusual for him to hire and fire fifteen or so interns in the span of two weeks, only to start the cycle over again because they couldn’t live up to the regiment he put himself through.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 3, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Depends on where you are and who you're with.

I’m in the neighborhood of Wall Street, so everything I deal with is exaggerated several times over from what it would be elsewhere in the country.

Mostly, what you would deal with is a lot of math, unwieldy formulas, and theories which have questionable application to the real world. Which, incidentally, hahaha…. ha…

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 3, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

But when you get away from Wall Street a bit

you find that typical consultants of the type discussed in this thread are workaholics that go from place to place for weeks at a time, working insane amounts of hours on nothing really tangible, that are only valuable to VP’s that are so disconnected from the actual workings of their companies that they’ll keep paying consultants to tell them what their own employees could tell them for free.

It’s a pretty sweet gig if you have no conscience.

by pdb on Dec 3, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Basically, yeah.

It seems bizarre that people would have enough money to throw around to hire these people, but it happens anyway. They’re exploiting their own little market inefficiencies. But I fault them more for taking extraordinary risks with the livelihoods of others and doing so rather casually.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 3, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

C'mon, that's not what most econ majors do.

It’s what a small subset of bizarre people do.

by marc w on Dec 3, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

It's one of those things.

Not all econ majors are megalomaniacs, but most of the megalomaniacs I know are econ majors.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 3, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

It's just a specific form of megalomania

You’re in English – I’d say MOST people who think they can support themselves through writing suffer from some form of megalomania, albeit a different type. I was an English major! I took classes with/from these people!

by marc w on Dec 3, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I knew you were going to respond with this!

and yes, I know plenty of people in the arts who have these delusions of grandeur. It varies from one to the next, because it seems more extreme in something like theatre when many of the aspiring acteurs and actrices are very much in it for the attention while techs slave in the back. Vocals, though I know of only a few (one is really good, both as a person and a singer) probably have the same going on.

And in writing, of course, there are lots of people who want nothing more than the same. They love to read aloud, often by themselves but sometimes by others. I dealt with one of these last year, a frosh who heard of our magazine’s spoken word contest for guaranteed print space, as voted by the audience. He brought in his entire fraternity to vote on it and effectively rigged the whole thing. On artistic merit alone, I concede that he deserved to win, but he made it a landslide with a genuinely dick move, and to make it worse, he had the same poem printed in at least one other magazine the same semester, taking advantage of the not-clearly-articulated exclusivity loophole.

But I can allow him that because for the most part what he did harmed no one. He alienated our entire staff, but his poem, which he submitted anyway, would have been one that we accepted, and the closest runners-up also submitted and got theirs in. Art megalomania is rarely injurious unless it’s painfully vapid and drags the baseline down. Monetary megalomania fucks the system with a lot more at stake.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 3, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I was going to bring up theatre

Art megalomania is rarely injurious, but despite the fact that I’ve had several conversations with the consultant species described above, they’ve not injured me, apart from ruining a few dinner parties. But guess who’s ruined MORE parties?

Monetary megalomania fucks the system, but a large percentage of THAT isn’t a huckster with a wharton MBA and a book full of meaningless jargon. It’s the type who hires them, thinking that “rebranding” or whatever is more important than adding value or delivering service. It’s the type who mindlessly plug numbers into a risk model they don’t understand. 99.9% of econ majors will sadly not be high-rollers who destroy lives solely because they were hungover or coming down off speed, but it’s also true that 99.9% of people had a state in ‘fucking the system.’

by marc w on Dec 3, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Right

There’s culpability all down the chain for making no effort to understand the mechanisms involved. The whole would be better off knowing what their involvement is, but real-world application isn’t something that they often excel at. They create the experiment without caring to judge the reaction because it’s mostly the output that matters anyway. That’s a problem that exists whether or not anyone is there take advantage of that volatility. But I still don’t have to be comfortable with the people that do.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 3, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Right

And there’s culpability everywhere for the image of the tormented artist as a genius who can’t connect to the hoi polloi because he’s somehow BETTER because he’s drugged out and ‘sensitive.’ And if it was so individual, it would take different forms rather than coalescing around certain tropes. The whole thing is very suburban teenage goth.
For the others, everyone demands the experiment because the output is what matters to them too. We don’t like to talk about it, but most people want their 401k to outperform X and their pension to better the Y average. None of us are comfortable with the people who attempt to fulfill these desires, but that’s a pretty common thing.

by marc w on Dec 3, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, the whole artist thing...

It always kind of bugged me. I’ve kept a sticker on my binder for about seven years now that says “Just because no one understands you doesn’t mean you’re an artist”. But that would rapidly devolve into an entirely different conversation about girls with self-done haircuts who are a bit too into collage and guys who take pictures of themselves wearing berets and looking angry.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 3, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Architects.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 3, 2009 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Another fun Mariners quiz!

Link

I got 99/196 and boy did I miss some real obvious ones

by Dewey N on Dec 2, 2009 8:53 AM PST reply actions  

Wow I'm not even going to try that one

I’d probably score somewhere in the 50’s. I have very little retention capacity beyond the obvious stars.

by pdb on Dec 2, 2009 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I got 96/196

They did not include: Ibanez, Boone, Bloomquist, or Meche

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 2, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

And Ian Snell isn't on the list?

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 2, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

It's hilariously busted too.

For example, it will basically take multiple last name entries and fill out other players on the list. Conceivably, you could enter Wilson and get three hits. But this also leads to some funny business, like 91.3% remembering Carlos Hernandez, who played two games with the M’s.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 2, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Also, 69.6% of people remember Mickey Lopez, who played six games.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 2, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Right! And congrats, you got Mickey Lopez!

That’s the deal with all of these quizzes though; it’s not broken, it just pushed up the average score.

by marc w on Dec 2, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

77

It took me 15 minutes to remember Boom Boom. I also managed to ommit Adam Jones, Brandon Morrow, Tui and one that I’ve used as my password for way too long.

by Robert on Dec 2, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Just kidding

I got 112

And I missed some obvious ones like Jeff Clement and Greg Colbrunn because I couldn’t spell his name

by Poochie on Dec 2, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I missed both of those.

Jones too.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 2, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Moyer is out of the hospital, but not done with surgery

“Jamie Moyer is out of the hospital and back home in Bradenton, Fla., but while his latest setback isn’t expected to delay his readiness for spring training, an arthroscopic procedure next month to repair a meniscus tear in his left knee very well might. Right now, the No. 5 starter job will come down to a spring-training fight between Moyer and Kyle Kendrick, and if that makes you uneasy, well, Amaro feels the same way. "

by msb on Dec 2, 2009 9:08 AM PST reply actions  

Oh come ON, FIFA

They’re “investigating” Thierry Henry and may charge him and ban him for part of the World Cup as a result of his handball against Ireland. Charge him with….what exactly? Ban him…why exactly? if the decision of the referee on the field at the time is final, as FIFA and everybody maintained after the match, what on earth is the point of this investigation?

by pdb on Dec 2, 2009 10:12 AM PST reply actions  

FIFA is one of the most shambolic institutions in professional sports

It exists almost solely for the enrichment of Sepp Blatter and his friends, and they seem to make decisions on the fly rather than using actual thought processes. It’s incredibly frustrating. And they’ve already ruled out extra officials or video technology in the WC, so this sort of problem can and will keep happening.

by pdb on Dec 2, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

See?
“I regret what I created by what I said and I’m sorry about the headlines,” said Blatter on Wednesday.

“The Irish were very sporting people when they came to see us at Fifa. I’m very sorry about that.”

by Graham MacAree on Dec 2, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

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Mr Blatter is not just the Fifa president and a powerful man in football, but he’s a very, very good person as well, which is more important.

-David Beckham

by Graham MacAree on Dec 2, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

If you were sold on that, check this out

Sepp Blatter is considering giving Ireland a “special award” for…..uh, not sure why, really. So now, the land of my ancestors, the land that gave the world James Joyce, Brendan Behan, Samuel Beckett, and so many others (and Phil Lynott!), is apparently a 9 year old kid who has to have his tears dried by his mom because he wasn’t picked to play the games the big boys are playing on the playground.

I sincerely hope that the “special award” consists of Blatter patting each member of the FAI on the head and saying “you’re special”.

by pdb on Dec 3, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

What the hell?!

Are they going to charge every player who’s ever committed a hand ball? This makes zero sense, if anyone should be punished it’s the refs for not paying attention.

by OlSalty on Dec 2, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Is it wrong to be a-feared

that Steve Physioc, Rex Hudler & Chip Caray are all looking for work?

by msb on Dec 2, 2009 10:33 AM PST reply actions  

OH MY GOD I AM SO SICK OF HEARING ABOUT THE FUCKING "CIVIL WAR" FOOTBALL GAME

holy jebus, people, it’s just a goddamn football game. I know Oregon as a state doesn’t have a whole lot going on but really, there’s other things to talk about.

by pdb on Dec 2, 2009 10:37 AM PST reply actions  

Somehow I've been insulated from all the Civil War coverage.

But that could be because I don’t watch the news, read the newspaper, or listen to the radio.

I love living in my own little world.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 2, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I look at OregonLive once a day, and today it's all about the "Civil War"

Side note: OregonLive is the worst excuse for a news website I have ever seen.

by pdb on Dec 2, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I like this approach

I have so far asked a couple people at work when the game is and if it’s going to be on TV. That seems to set them off because apparently I’m supposed to know these things as well as I know my own name.

by pdb on Dec 2, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Oregon vs Oregon State

This year’s winner goes to the Rose Bowl.

by Robert on Dec 2, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I wish that I had gone to Oregon State

Solely so that I could say that I am a Beaver Believer.

by pdb on Dec 2, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I wish that I had gone to Oregon State

because then I wouldn’t root for a shitty football team AND a shitty basketball team

by seattlebruin on Dec 2, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Imagine there was no FA cup, premiership, or league cup

Only semi-random pairings to determine some sort of champion.

Oh, and some teams got to play Wigan and Wolves ten times each, nine of which were home games. Other teams played Chelsea, Villa, and some conference teams.

This seems absurd, and it sort of is, but…. it’s exciting!

by marc w on Dec 2, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm stuck on radio so I have no idea
Florent Malouda pumps a free-kick into the box and Paul Robinson flaps at it disastrously, leaving Paulo Ferreira to sweep home from a tight angle.

Also: Fuck.

Fuck Anaheim.

by Eyeball Kid on Dec 2, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Manchester City Vs Manchester United!!!

So we finally break our 28 year Quarter Final nightmare, and our reward is Them in the semi final. The wait until January is going to be torture. If we beat them, it will be better than even the Felix Slam[!]

by EnglishMariner on Dec 2, 2009 2:38 PM PST reply actions  

Carling Cup doesn't count because Arsenal fields an under-11 team for the most part

Sunday was indeed ugly though, and Wenger has said that he’ll be buying a new forward in January, which probably just drove the prices of all available forwards up about 20%.

by pdb on Dec 2, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Hot Stove show on ....

Rick Adair, Tony Blengino, Chef Jeremy and giveaways.

by msb on Dec 2, 2009 6:10 PM PST reply actions  

I have no idea how to respond to this front office.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 2, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

It is amazing.

Those people on Bakers blog that dislike stat-heads must be spinning after those comments.

by mark sobba on Dec 2, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I like people to have various thoughts.

So I look forward to his next blog replying to comments on the spreading of SABR to the general radio fan base.

by mark sobba on Dec 2, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup.

This last one was on the value of the RBI!

I bet his next one will be on the importance of CERA or pitcher Wins.

by mark sobba on Dec 2, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank Drayer.

I so want to know if Rizzs will actually make use of this next season.

by msb on Dec 2, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup.

Lookout Landing, Graham MacAree, tRA.

by msb on Dec 2, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Posted this in the other thread too, here's the basic gist of it

"There are people who are trying to take FIP to the next level. And I’m going to give the folks at Lookout Landing some props here. One of the Lookout Landing guys, Graham, has this tRA stat, which goes beyond just assuming that a certain percentage of flyballs are going to leave the park. He goes into the type of batted ball and the batting average of each type of ball in play. And I’ll give you some more fun numbers….Last year on ground balls, batters hit .233 when they hit the ball on the ground. Last year when major league batters hit flyballs, (not line drives and these are only flyballs that stay in the ballpark) they hit .139. On line drives they hit .725. Now of course you’ve gotta decide where a line drive ends and a flyball begins when you make these judgements, but that’s kind of the next tier…."

Then he finishes by saying that tRA better explains why a groundball pitcher like Tom Glavine is more successful than FIP alone would suggest because he generates a lot of weak contact.

by OlSalty on Dec 2, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Chef Jeremy says he was trying too hard to please the guys, and made too much food. Guys got fat and the team got a nutritionist.

Deep fryer gone.

Contraband Frosted Flakes discovered in the linen closet.

Real bacon replaced by turkey bacon (which led to the Bacon Scandal of 2009)

by msb on Dec 2, 2009 7:46 PM PST reply actions  

American Cheese? Out.

Egg yolks? Out. (“I didn’t know how to cook just egg whites, they were sticking to everything, it was a mess”)

by msb on Dec 2, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Turkey bacon is a travesty.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 2, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

NO!

F-, seller has misled me….won’t respond to e-mails. eBay has been notified. Product NOT as described.

by marc w on Dec 2, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions  

You know what's weird?

Three years ago, UCLA was about to go to the Final Four in basketball, we had just beat usc in football, the Seahawks made the playoffs, and the Sonics going for Kevin Durant or Greg Oden while the Mariners were coming off four horrible seasons and were one year away from 101 losses.

Now, UCLA basketball is in utter disarray and might not come back, UCLA football is coached by a dirty cheater who encourages terrible sportsmanship and whining, the Seahawks just went 4-12 and get injured by gusts of wind, and the Sonics are called the Oklahoma City Thunder, as the Mariners become one of the hot franchises of MLB.

Given that the M’s are by far my favorite, I think I can live with this turn of events.

by seattlebruin on Dec 2, 2009 11:04 PM PST reply actions  

I remember a time when Pipeline Porter disappeared from the shelves.

A time when the season for Pipeline Porter had drawn to a close. From the darkness deep in the Inland Empire, a cry was heard. But no one listened. Amongst the hustle and bustle of Los Angeles, nary a soul flinched. Nary a soul, save for one man. One man with a heart as pure as the winter snow. That man journeyed into the depths of Anaheim, bearing with him the last bottle of Pipeline Porter. When traffic on I5S became too great, he persevered. Through the traffic of Anaheim and through throngs of menacing middle-aged people dressed in red, he persevered. Through the vicious metal turnstiles, cold and uncaring, he persevered. And he did deliver that last bottle of Pipeline Porter to the one that had uttered the cry. And then they watched Felix Hernandez whoop the shit out of the Angels.

by abender20 on Dec 3, 2009 8:35 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I mentioned it over at FG but the timing of this incredibly odd.

Team ownership usually is pretty patient. I figured they would have waited until the end of the season before deciding one way or another on Ruskell, so I suppose it’s possible this move is entirely his own decision.

by BrianL on Dec 2, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions  

If they aren't going to re-up his contract, then keeping him on as zombie GM isn't super rad either.

Once Allen/Vulcan make the decision that he’s not the guy for the rebuild, he’s gotta go. I mean, the specific timing is still a bit off, that’s true, but I don’t mind that it’s during the regular season.

by marc w on Dec 2, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it's great that this is happening now

the timing just seems strange for this ownership group.

by BrianL on Dec 3, 2009 5:14 AM PST up reply actions  

(sigh)

I wonder if there are many professions out there where you don’t have to confront the fact that large swaths of the human population is completely fucking insane.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 3, 2009 7:10 AM PST reply actions  

But is it worth it?

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 3, 2009 7:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Unfortunately so.

I was going to suggest guys like Salinger and Pynchon, but I suppose they have their insane fanboys they have to deal with.

And yes, I realize that should be an “are” and not an “is”. I get paid to copy-edit things, wheeee.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 3, 2009 7:52 AM PST up reply actions  

ESPN really goes out on a limb with their "Next" picks this year.

Kevin Durant, Chris Johnson, Strasburg.

It’s like they can see into the future! How do they do that???

by waldo rojas on Dec 3, 2009 11:02 AM PST reply actions  

I keep thinking I need to make another trip there to change my opinion

I keep hearing what a great place it is, and I just didn’t see it when I was there. Maybe a reassessment is in order.

by pdb on Dec 3, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, like the veil that was lifted on maybe my 7th or 8th visit to Portland.

(I used to hate that town, and I was sooooooo wrong and hereby apologize)

by marc w on Dec 3, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup.

Partly because Conner as a character (and as acted) just doesn’t work, and then they had the poor timing of it happening just as Charisma found out she was pregnant, and that threw the plotting off …. I tend to fast-forward a lot. There was so much more they could have done with Gina Torres :)

by msb on Dec 3, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Wooo my favourite off season baseball annual has arrived!

And I see that Matthew makes an appearance again in this year’s THT Baseball Annual. Whilst this book has been improving each year sadly the same cannot be said for Baseball Prospectus annual, which used to be my favourite before THT came along. They didn’t even bother putting in an index last year, and with the rising popularity of FG not to mention SC, their stats seem somewhat dated these days. I just hope they modernise and return to strength rather than go bust.

by EnglishMariner on Dec 3, 2009 1:55 PM PST reply actions  

Your opinion of BP would appear to be shared by a few people and gaining traction the last few years. Or 10.

I didn’t used to pay much attention to individual authors, unlike now where I’ll follow their work if they move to different outlets, or have multiple. Have they lost key staff over the years or stagnate, or what?

by Kermit. on Dec 3, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!

Motherfucking SIMON & GARFUNKEL (!!!!!) in Rock Band on Tuesday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 4, 2009 7:18 AM PST reply actions  

That's what's great about Rock Band. They don't focus exclusively on the technically challenging songs that Guitar Hero does.

They’ve added Roy Orbison, Squeeze, the Ramones and many other artists that don’t require the technical acumen that say Rush or Dream Theater does. But that’s because they’re usually fun as hell.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 4, 2009 8:19 AM PST up reply actions  

More like I am a Rock Band, I am an island.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 4, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I noticed the cold

but the morning itself had the distractions of the young lady who had spilled an entire bottle of cologne on herself, and the muttering fellow who gave the impresssion that in a few more stops he would erupt into shouting…

by msb on Dec 4, 2009 8:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I can barely tie my shoes without suffering personal injury

if I try to wire something electric to my bike I’ll probably kill myself and black out an entire city block.

by pdb on Dec 4, 2009 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

It's 50 degrees here.

Take that, assortment of people who said that it only made sense for us to have one of the worst winters on record because the last two had been so mild. We ended up having the second warmest November on record. Weather does not obey your puny laws of averages.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 4, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

So it is now snowing.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 5, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's chilly out

Also, the fog has really set in here in Auburn over the last 45 minutes or so. Barely 300ft of visibility out right now. I love the fog

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Dec 4, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

That song is so badass

Plus hearing it always makes me think of Die Hard, which puts me in an even better mood

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Dec 4, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I've gone full on Christmas-music this morning

that whole Very Special Christmas album and the Phil Spector Christmas album have been all I’ve played. Which also serves to point out what an affront to humanity U2’s version of “Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)” actually is.

by pdb on Dec 4, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm restricted to listening to country music here in the office (KILL ME)

They have been sprinkling in some Christmas music the last few days. I grew up listening to country-Christmas music, but I only enjoy the older X-mas stuff they’ve been playing. New country music is so much shit anymore that it’s not even fun to make fun of, and the X-mas songs the new ones make are TERRIBLE.

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Dec 4, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Anybody have any experience recovering from starvation mode?

I’m going on week 4 of a nasty stomach infection, but am looking forward to recovery. The problem is, I really haven’t been able to eat normally during the last 4 weeks, and have dropped a significant amount of weight. However, I don’t want to dive right back into eating like I was before I got the infection.

How long can I expect it to take for my body to leave starvation mode?

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 4, 2009 9:28 AM PST reply actions  

I don't see Australia putting up much of a fight

Ghana might, but if I’m Germany I’m only really worried about the Serbs.

by pdb on Dec 4, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Backed by nobody of any real talent in the defence though

Ghana are a threat to score on a break, but a more comprehensive team should beat them pretty easily. Anything’s possible on the day and all that but I really don’t see Germany having too much trouble in that group.

by pdb on Dec 4, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's going to be fun for me at home too....

Really, it shouldn’t matter – both countries should advance, and it’ll give that first game a little something extra. I and my nationality will be insulted in new and unusual ways!

by marc w on Dec 4, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow...I haven't posted in AGES...

maybe like a year… but I am quite a lurker especially with twitter and such…
Anyway, is anyone else on here going to Indianapolis for the Winter Meetings? The job fair and such of course…
I’m leaving tomorrow morning…bright and early…
Maybe I’ll start posting again…

by Smith18 on Dec 4, 2009 7:06 PM PST reply actions  

We should totally do that some year, travel en masse to the Winter Meetings.

We could be like the New York Jets NFL Draft contingent. It’d be fun.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Dec 5, 2009 1:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know how I missed this.

Padres top draft pick gets in ATV accident, has jaw wired shut.

Imagine what the coverage would be like if he were close to the majors.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 6, 2009 9:11 AM PST reply actions  

Noel Arguelles signs with the Royals

(actually surprised face)

There goes one of my possible post topics.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Dec 6, 2009 10:49 AM PST reply actions  

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