Heads Up
Tomorrow morning they're going to go forward with an update to the blog layout. I know people hate change and everything, but all things considered it's pretty minor, and besides, I think the new layout looks pretty sharp. Improves readability and all that. Nevertheless, if you hate it or have particular complaints, the tech guys should be floating around listening to feedback.
The update should also serve to improve site loading time, which should bring us one step closer to all-.gif content. To the future!
Update: Feedback thread!
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Mr. Adenhart? That you?
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by pdb on Nov 2, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
We'd have reached the all-gif content months ago
if I wasn’t hamstrung by work filters.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Nov 2, 2009 3:13 PM PST via mobile reply actions
If they implement live updating comments I'm going to demand a refund on my subscription
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The nice thing is it's already got the Jeff stamp of approval so groupthinkers ahoy!
THIS IS THE BEST BLOG LAYOUT UPDATE EVER
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by pdb on Nov 2, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
In its defense we dressed like we wanted it
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by pdb on Nov 2, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Plus we're always under the influence.
...and now I'm here
damn roofies
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by pdb on Nov 2, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
So are we going to get a way to easily count recs?
by Robert on Nov 2, 2009 3:29 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
So are we going to get a way to have threads not count comments as read until we actually z through them?
by Robert on Nov 2, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is the only thing I actually want in the new update.
Other improvements would be nice, but this is the biggest one.
I mostly want SBN to seek input before they start their annual upgrade/tweak cycle
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by pdb on Nov 2, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
They will
There will be no functional upgrades with this update. Those will come later after collecting ideas.
by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 2, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Cool.
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by pdb on Nov 2, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
So are we going to have a way to delete comments if we put them in the wrong spot?
by Robert on Nov 2, 2009 3:30 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
you must have been a joy at Christmas as a youngun
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by pdb on Nov 2, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
I can't imagine they gave him any candy in his stocking.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Nov 2, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe you should've eaten one every once in awhile.
Put some nutrients into your system.
Perhaps you wouldn’t be you then.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Nov 2, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
So am I going to get a quick 'Robert timeout' button next to all of his comments?
by Graham MacAree on Nov 2, 2009 3:32 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
banhammers are rapid and single-use!
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by pdb on Nov 2, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
How did you ever survive the 2009 Mariners?
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Nov 2, 2009 3:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If you're gonna go retro go all the way retro or don't go at all
ASCII LL on a green screen. DO IT SBN
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by pdb on Nov 2, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
SBN 1.0 sucked shit and I don't miss it
by Poochie on Nov 2, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I want a rec leaderboard
also, I want flags to count as negative recs
No on the flags.
Its a way for mods to communicate secretly.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 2, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
I can make all of your recs negative if you want
by Graham MacAree on Nov 2, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
Some blogs use a thumbs up/down system and negatively rated comments become lighter and more difficult to read,
I thought that this was a pretty good idea until I realized that the chances of me surviving without a subversive movement against me are slim to none.
House
I know people hate change and everything,
People don’t change!
/House
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 2, 2009 3:51 PM PST reply actions
In the comments?
I doubt it.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 2, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Why would you assume that? I see no reason to...
http://sodomojo.com/
by .Taylor on Nov 2, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
I don't like it and think it's stupid
Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org
Actual feedback
Overall cleaner, and easier on the eye. But…
For the devs:
- mobile site does not work, just returns a blank screen despite taking about 10s to load (G1 browser)
using IE6 at work (yuk)….
- initial impression is that front page takes a little longer to load, article pages load slightly quicker
- standings table on LHS wraps
- text size of post titles feels bigger (either it’s increased or just looks it relative to the rest of the page). It would fit together with the articles if it was slightly reduced, I feel.
- font of the strapline feels at odds with the rest of the page
- the text at the foot of an article on the front page referencing recs and share "50 comments, 50 new | 0 recs | Share " overlaps.
- multiple line breaks in my comments don’t appear in the post (well, they didn’t in the preview I just did… I’m about to insert six carriage returns before my feedback to Jeff… and they don’t appear. Not great for using paragraphs in comments.
For Jeff:
- on the references section, this bit:
“How to Post Pics and Links -———-”
wraps awkwardly. Missing a line break? Maybe it’s just me. This isn’t a new thing, it’s bugged me for ages I just never got round to mentioning it. The one after “The tRA post” isn’t affected.
IE 6 should be removed from existence.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 3, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
Our main client only runs IE 6
Its a terrible experience on our end.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 3, 2009 8:45 AM PST up reply actions
Some of our application vendors are still developing web front-ends for IE 6 and refuse to go to Firefox or Chrome.
At this point I’d settle for them developing for IE 8.
I'm guessing those 5% are all work browsers
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 8:52 AM PST up reply actions
Wow... I am in the 0.2% using Chrome!
by seattlesundevil on Nov 3, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
I use that exclusively here at work
I use FF at home, but Chrome loads quicker and there is less temptation to add a ton of extensions to Chrome
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Nov 3, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
I'm guessing there's something wrong with the Firefox versioning?
I doubt 47.4% are still stuck on 1.X.
I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.
In addition
The rss feeds seem to have stopped working. I’ve cross-checked that the urls I’m using haven’t changed and they don’t appear to have…
Butt-Ass Ugly
I really think the font is too big and clunky. It looks like it was formatted by after market software to make it easier to read for the vision impaired.
I can’t imagine that it will be even remotely legible on a mobile device. I’ll probably have to rely on RSS feeds, if they are working.
Having come back to it a number of times already today
It’s not so bad after a couple of repeat visits – as with many things once you get over the initial shock of change it’s fairly manageable.
It’s more plain and simple, and I’m all for that. The font size is the only real bugbear, the other bits just teething I think.
What's with the default icons?
Did the commies win while I was sleeping?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
FireFox with AdBlock
Can anyone else confirm if Adblock enabled causes the LL-icon to actually cover up the thread’s subject line?
Confirmed on FF running OS X
I’ll check my Windows machine when I get to work.
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 6:51 AM PST up reply actions
It should also be noted
that the LL-icon also covers up the first couple lines of text of the post, not just the subject line.
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 6:57 AM PST up reply actions
Aaaaaaaand fixed!
Looks much better now.
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
But I do like the font/layout/minor style tweaks otherwise
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Blue Jays?
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Nov 3, 2009 7:24 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It does seem to load comments a bit quicker but I haven't tried any .gif intensive threads yet.
Main page seems to take slightly longer though.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
And a better font.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 3, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Also, does " Our Center Fielder Is Better And/Or More Attractive In A Sexual Way Than Yours"
really need to sit in its own 200 pixel deep block of blue?
I haven't seen this much white in...oh wait I live in Portland
but yeah, there’s a lot of extraneous white/grey space.
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 8:01 AM PST up reply actions
Benchmarks ahoy!
(All tests performed on my work network (Old, kinda slow, XP SP2, FF 3.5.4):
Yesterday, to load main page: ~4 seconds
Today, to load main page: ~3.5 seconds
(A decent improvement)
Yesterday, to load this thread with 1229 posts: ~19.5 seconds
Today, loading the same thread: ~17 seconds
(Not a bad gain but I would be interested to see if further tweaking would result in bigger improvements – this is a pretty typical big thread, with some gifs and lots of comments)
Yesterday, to load this here thread about site improvements: ~4 seconds
Today: ~4 seconds
(It’s still a smallish thread so I wouldn’t have expected significant improvements here)
I didn’t think to do these tests yesterday on my home machine so I don’t know if the speed gains are more significant on a more up-to-date network infrastructure but there do seem to have been some improvements made so good on ya SBN, now maybe darken up some of this white space a tad?
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My understanding is that this is only the first step in a series of measures to improve load time
by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 3, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm not complaining at all, just noting observations
Most of what I do at work these days is performance benchmarking so it was pretty easy to do that here too.
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
Hopefully the devs weren't too scared off the first time we did this to come back
by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 3, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
I've really tried to refrain from dropping N-bombs in this thread but, much like giffin, it ain't easy
by Poochie on Nov 3, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
On the scale of visible changes these were all pretty damned minor
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
thanks for the benchmarking data
We’re seeing similar load time improvements, but this is definitely only a first step.
It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy. - Nolan
by Trei Brundrett on Nov 3, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks for your constructive input!
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
And now for my non initial reaction comment.
White needs to be toned down like you said below and the headline font I preferred when it was centered
Other then that I see speed improvements all over the place in Safari especially in the manage blog section.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 3, 2009 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
It is really, really bright
like way too bright
The white should be more off-white or light beige
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
I'm fine with the sorta-blue border
it’s just that with the white background of the text body the overall effect is translucence; the site has no depth, no visual breaks to delineate meaningless border from important stuff.
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
I look away from the computer screen and still see lots of white! Ahh
I fucking hate you Mariners
I'll take a boat to work
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Nov 3, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah that one confused me a bunch
I’ve been working in Kent for nearly a year, and it is not too white around here
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Nov 3, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
God, that joke was so great if I had researched my geography better =(
by seattlebruin on Nov 3, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
You might want to grab something other than early 90s era Almost Live videos.
by BrianL on Nov 3, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah I don't understand where Kent being "white" comes from
But, this is not the thread to go into that. I’ll just chalk it up to sb being a fool
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Nov 3, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This knife in my back really hurts
any ideas how it got there?
That would be deming WA.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 3, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
Kent is very... ethnic
Except for a few neighborhoods of the east hill, but that is mostly unincorporated I think
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by tootthekazoo on Nov 3, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Going to test this out.

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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 3, 2009 8:36 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
I'm guessing they don't design around adblock though
I’ve learned to live with big blocks of meaningless space in several sites – much better than ads.
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
Yes but there's random tiny off-centred text in it which makes no sense
by Graham MacAree on Nov 3, 2009 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
It's not the most aesthetically pleasing thing in the world, sure
but part of that is the length of the text, too.
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
Tweaking the back end no doubt exposed some things they wanted to alter on the front end
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
I don't get what's so bad about left aligned titles
That, to me, falls under “you’ll get used to it”. We all hated SBN 2.0 when it came out and then six weeks later it was just the way it was, this is much the same.
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
Sure but just fucking with things for no reason is worse than complaining about things changing
by Graham MacAree on Nov 3, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
Just because the reason isn't obvious or stated doesn't mean there wasn't a reason
I’d be really interested to hear why SBN made these UI tweaks – none of them really bother me that much, on the scale of things, except the whiteness issue, but still.
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
Right, so they should give me the reason or I'll assume it was for some stupid reason
I still remember them trying to push the narrow view on us on the basis of readability studies
by Graham MacAree on Nov 3, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
Improving readability and pushing text higher above the fold, among other things
by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 3, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
Left align moves text around?
That’s a new one
by Graham MacAree on Nov 3, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
Because these changes are minor and this layout is still being worked on
by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 3, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe they shouldn't drop an unfinished product on us then
by Graham MacAree on Nov 3, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
You can't really finish a product until you test it out on the network
Beta tests only tell you so much.
by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 3, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
Therefore they need feedback
It’s worse than it was yesterday, the things that made it worse are easily fixed, and so I’ll complain
by Graham MacAree on Nov 3, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
And that feedback is much easier to act on in small increments than all at once.
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
You can provide feedback without being a lil bitch
by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 3, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
I might as well annoy everyone else if something annoys me
by Graham MacAree on Nov 3, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
That is the textbook definition of lil bitch
by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 3, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I'm still not seeing any real reason to be less irritable about this
by Graham MacAree on Nov 3, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
It was justified when we first switched from Scoop because what they tried to do was terrible
But this is just so damn minor. Things will still change, and the things that don’t change you’ll get used to.
by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 3, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure
Hence me not going around being Captain Stabby about it
by Graham MacAree on Nov 3, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
because constructive criticism might actually help them change things in a way you'd prefer?
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
That doesn't appear to be how it worked last time!
by Graham MacAree on Nov 3, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
More difficult changes too, I'd imagine
They could fix all of the visual problems here in about 12 seconds.
by Graham MacAree on Nov 3, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
Given the internal feedback, I would be...surprised if the headlines stay as is
Not sure they’ll ever be centered, but the font should be different.
by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 3, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
I don't trust the SBN devs at all on readability
They’re magical fucking wizards when it comes to the internal stuff and I happily bow to them in that regard, but after narrowviewgate… why exactly should we assume that any changes will be for the better?
by Graham MacAree on Nov 3, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
Right, but their initial choice was in crazypantsland
How loudly did you have to shout before we got wideview?
by Graham MacAree on Nov 3, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
In their defense very few major websites have a wide view
by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 3, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
I think it doesn't work because of how long the content/comments are
Most major websites aren’t of such varying lengths up/down as a blog would be
by Graham MacAree on Nov 3, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with you
I just understand where they were coming from, and why they might’ve thought it was as good idea prior to implementation.
by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 3, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
How else can I put this
It feels like they have wonderful ideas in theory but there’s a disconnect between the devs and people who actually use the blogs.
by Graham MacAree on Nov 3, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
And that's why they change things based on feedback
At the end of the day, the devs aren’t bloggers, and they just have to test their systems out on us as they develop.
by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 3, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Here's some more feedback
the horizontal edge of subthreads just hangs there in mid-white space.
It looks weird.
Really weird
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Nov 3, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
we read your comments
we act on the feedback
It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy. - Nolan
by Trei Brundrett on Nov 3, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So what's the process behind how this all works
Does it get QA’d, looked over before it goes out?
Basically, is this layout something that the devs agreed was good in the first place?
by Graham MacAree on Nov 3, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
process
mock-up
internal review
dev
iterate
QA
blogger review #1
blogger review #2
more QA
release
listen to community
iterate
QA
release
It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy. - Nolan
by Trei Brundrett on Nov 3, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
I love the use of "above the fold" in a computer monitor context
the last time I tried to fold my monitor it broke and it was quite the mess.
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
and mildly dirty
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
You know what else would add more text above the fold?
Not having a five story tall title
by Graham MacAree on Nov 3, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
The font of the article titles looks as though a child with a pen got into the site
This child also has clearly been told to always start a sentence next to the line denoting the margin.
Also, stars? C’mon SBN, give us a little guy with a cowlick.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Nov 3, 2009 9:22 AM PST reply actions
Fonts are really, really hard to settle on
For everyone that likes a clean, businesslike font, there’s five people that like Comic Sans and can’t figure out why the font isn’t more stylized
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
The layout shows potential because it makes better use of the screen area, but I hate all the white and it looks like a blogspot site
I hope the site picture can be an animated gif
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
How are you going to animate disappointed Sexson?
by Kirk on Nov 3, 2009 10:45 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Scrappy poking his head out from behind the gatorade cooler.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Nov 3, 2009 11:44 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
If they gave me that along with a space to put down my sexual preference and religious orientation I think SBN would have a real Facebook killer on its hands/
Not until they let me link up with my family members.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Nov 3, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
Jesus no.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Nov 3, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
that would be awesome
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
This is obviously the product of research showing that brighter colors make people happy.
Thus more people will rec each other, resulting in huge rec-flag discrepancies and subsequent mass inflation.
So some actual feedback rather than just my happiness at being able to engage in employer time-theft:
I think I understand the direction in which the devs are trying to go with this, and I approve of said direction, but the layout and style definitely need some work. The ad bar, for example, looks all slick and high-res, which makes the header, sidebar and overall look and feel seem amateurish in comparison.
There is tons and tons of wasted space on either side. Tons of it. It’s really annoying.
And the above-mentioned reply-routing-to-top-of-post bug.
I don't either.
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe only for widescreen monitors?
It looks like it’s formatted well to a 4:3 screen
Lots of concerns being raised internally about the headline font and centering
I wouldn’t assume that things are stuck this way.
I can't find a site title anywhere. It appears Lookout Landing is now "Our Center Fielder Is Better And/Or More Attractive In A Sexual Way Than Yours"
Also a common complaint
that the network sites have lost their individuality.
by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 3, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
That happened with SBN 2.0 though
this just reinforced that change.
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
I'm hoping for random word placement of headlines and such
One word left justified, one word three lines down and all the way to the right, another word halfway down the page in the middle of the column, etc.
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
now you're talkin'
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
needs more rageohol
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by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
My bad.
OK, the main headline font looks like it’s kerned a little too tightly. Also, now more than ever, the name of the blog is completely lost.
I think it's down to color scheme
LL’s colors blend in too easily with the acres of sidebar space that are very light, and with the white main column. Look at Red Reporter, for instance, and see how the red/black really stands out against those light backgrounds, especially the header. LL’s other colors are too complementary to work well with the template.
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As it happens
Red Reporter was the screenshot I looked at before the new layout rolled out. So you can understand why I thought this looked sharper than it actually does.
by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 3, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Black is used far too infrequently in website designs
Not that pages should be all black, but judicious use of dark colors really helps to delineate the main stuff from the sidebars.
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My feedback:
It’s not awful, but it’s worse than it was yesterday. It looks a lot less professional and much more like some sort of wordpress knock off.
And dear god do something with the title bar. It’s atrocious. I don’t understand how that ever got past a designer.
I'm guessing there were no designers involved
and I don’t mean that in a derogatory way, just that I’m guessing the SBN folks aren’t web designers by trade, but have learned as they go.
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That's retarded.
Hey SBN, if you haven’t already, hire a designer!
They work cheap, believe me.
fwiw, this is not true
It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy. - Nolan
by Trei Brundrett on Nov 3, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Fair enough, I was just guessing
apologies.
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Despite the larger text I find it harder to read
Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org
It does appear that the header section is more cluttered
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
In fairness there is nothing they could change to make me happy
they could make the background a giant American flag and require the purchase of a Ford Taurus before receiving recs and I would still hate it
Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org
thanks for the big long feedback thread LL
we do listen. and we do respond.
we even keep listening until we find threads like this one:
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2008/11/7/656375/take-5-seconds-and-help-da#10100493
It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy. - Nolan
Love the speed increase in safari.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 3, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Hey now, that thread is one of our finer moments.
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
Can we get something where the mods can choose what colors go around the borders?
Like pdb pointed out above, Reds Reporter looks really sharp because of their color scheme, but our tends to blend into the white and just make it look extra bright.
Also, the headline thing is really bad.
It would be nice to get the site name somewhere in the top bar – maybe the site name in bigger letters and the tagline below it as is?
I get the sense that if we used the "authorized" site picture the name thing wouldn't be an issue
Most SBN blogs have the site name prominent in the pic. You have to look for it in the Sexson one.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
How dare you besmirch the logo!
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by Eyebrows on Nov 3, 2009 11:40 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
What?
This is a huge improvement and I vote it be used immediately.
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by Eyebrows on Nov 3, 2009 12:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You just can't appreciate true artistic genius.
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by Eyebrows on Nov 3, 2009 12:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That took me 30 seconds and the site made me less smart.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
That period of time between full daylight and dark could use a catchy name
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
nah, that one's been taken by that vampire thing
Near Dark? Nope, vampires again. DAMMIT
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
FEEDBACK:
The new flagging box looks bad. It’s way too tall, the text wraps awkwardly and it comes pre-sized with a horizontal scroll bar. Use width better and restrict vertical size, it’s like you have the width and height swapped in the JS.
Visual:

pdb did need to be flagged for that ridiculous comment.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Nov 3, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
I didn't advocate using said image, I just implied that's where the big blog title is located
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
Here I thought I was the only one that used the flagging box on SBNation.
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Mine is more frightening.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
The best way to get things to happen is to call the developers, who are hanging out here checking this thread, names.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
I more thought he was making fun of the rest of us.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Nov 3, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
snark retracted.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
I expected more of it.
That or total agreement
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Nov 3, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Reading this thread, I have noticed when a group of new comments are added
all at once the pages jiggles up and down for a second or two and then settles down. This could be really hard on the eyes in a really active gameday thread.
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Am I the only one who is showing everything as plain text pushed up against the right hand side?
It looks like a page Google auto-formatted for a really old cell phone.
Gotta wait until Robert gets his own SBN blog and campaigns for it
by seattlebruin on Nov 3, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
If they wanna keep up with Facebook they better git'r'done
If they wanna surpass FB they need a dislike button
Sigs themselves need to go away
Nobody else seems to agree though
Go to VEB and check out everyone's five line high sig
Links in sigs are the worst because I always accidentally click on them in a large thread and lose my place. PLUS they have yet to take me anywhere worthwhile
They irritate me to no end
and anything more than 3 lines big is strictly not allowed.
The star reminds me of that tattoo that douchey skateboarders always seem to get.
Also, it has replaced the previous Lookout Landing graphic in my bookmark toolbar (FF). Not cool.
Mine is still the same but does anybody know how to replace a favicon?
One of mine randomly got switched to a red sox logo and I would rather like to replace it.
BMO Forum? Because mine did that
And changing would be great.
by Robert Lintott on Nov 4, 2009 5:34 AM PST up reply actions
Anyone have a copy of the old one?
I kind of want to finally get an avatar, but nothing special. Just the old one.
by Robert Lintott on Nov 4, 2009 5:34 AM PST up reply actions
It seems like the aethestic change is just for the sake of change, with no real rhyme or reason for it.
It’s not good or bad, just different.
Uggh.
This just reminds me of a terrible Wordpress template.
by Manzanillos Cup on Nov 3, 2009 12:58 PM PST reply actions
After staring at Red Reporter some more I have a suggestion for Trei et al
maybe make the hyperlinked text on LL the same dark-blue color as the header and the footer? That lightish green color just gets washed out, and since I see all the sites have the greyish blue background for the sidebar content, the answer may lie in darkening the text that sits on those sidebars.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
I don't have that issue on my 20 inch monitor.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
It looks more like a generic blog.
It’s fine, but blogs themselves are naturally unattractive. As others said, it looks more like wordpress/blogspot.
...and now I'm here
Ultimately, it comes down to a lack of contrast.
It’s amazing the difference a border or shading can make. The white itself is not the criminal, it’s the lack of contrast around it. Also, if I’m not mistaken, the green navigation bar used to have shading to make it pop out more. As it stands now, the whole thing just looks flat and uninspired. And the giant blue header (with or without an ad in it) isn’t helping.
I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.
Bingo.
Contrast is everything. The grey margins are the culprit. If those could be dark blue, we have a very good looking site again. The same fate befalls Addicted To Quack, unfortunately.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Six-hundred and ninety-four yards of total offense.
Why is my signature so close to my comment?
NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!
by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 3, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
It happens when there's no comment body text
it still spaces fine when there’s text in the body of the comment.
by pdb on Nov 3, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
I noticed that but it should still space out when there isn't a body.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 3, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
I reloaded a couple times because I thought the formatting hadn't loaded right. Way, way too much white and whitish colors.
50!
Okay this is kinda strange
At work, I run FF on XP SP2, with adblock. The “better and/or more attractive” text shows up at the top of the header bar, over a big blue swath which presumably contains an ad. At home, I run FF on Snow Leopard, also with adblock, and that text appears at the bottom of the header bar. This is not a problem, it’s just an odd thing I noticed.
Site loading times:
At home on the latest Firefox build (which I think is 3.5.3), I’m not really noticing any differences in loading times.
However, here at work on a crappier network and IE 8.0.6 the loading times are faster. Not a lot, but it is noticeable.
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
Ok, this morning it is quite a bit faster here at home as well.
And my FF version is apparently 3.5.4.
Also, the LL icon is back, sweet.
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
Color scheme looks better!
There could still be a bit more definition around the columns, but I like the blue better.
I like the redesign overall
Flush-left headlines are much more professional, but I agree that the font size and style are distracting. Moving away from block boldface is good but the scrunched-tall-helvetica look is fugly.
Spare layouts with lots of white space seem to be the trend.
I just had a number symbol turn into the numeral 1 in the message body ...
did that used to happen, or is it a helpful change?

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