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OFFTOP 11/19 - The Hand of Fraud

As most of you know by now, the Irish again failed to qualify for the World Cup yesterday.  They had several gilt-edged scoring chances that they did not convert, so instead of talking about Ireland's return to the World Cup, the entire soccer world is talking about this (the fun starts at the 5.34 mark).  Not only was Henry offside, he handled the ball not once but twice. He owned up to it after the game, but that doesn't matter - France won, and is through to the World Cup, on a goal that never should have been allowed in the first place.  It seems the only people that didn't see it are the three referees that are supposed to see these things.  Instant replay would be great, but FIFA doesn't want it.

There's now a lot of controversy over whether Henry should have said something, should have insisted to the ref that the goal not stand, but I think that's kinda stupid - if Ireland feels hard done by, they should talk to Robbie Keane, who missed an absolute sitter that would have put the game beyond doubt.  Instead we get controversy, and demands for the game to be replayed.

So, since the last OFFTOP is filling up/bogging down slow computers and we needed a new one, the question I have is simple:  What is the most egregiously bad officiating decision (in any sport) you know of?

Also: movies, beer, bands, you know the drill.

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 therevd wrote:
Question answered: the two who left Carpenter off were Keith Law and Will Carroll. They are both idiots, but as I surmised on the other thread, they are both swayed heavily by those new, esoteric “metrics” that the so-called experts love: WHIP, VORP, FIP, etc. They both dismiss wins as having any value (an argument I’ve heard before, but just think is plain nuts), and indicate they don’t believe Carpenter pitched enough innings because of his injury to be in the top 3. At least now we know who those idiots are, even if their explanations are pretty lame. Go Cards!

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Nov 19, 2009 2:10 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

But the team with the most wins is the best team.

Therefore the pitcher with the most wins is the best pitcher. Duh.

by Kermit. on Nov 19, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Klaw on Twitter:
Baseball is funny. Use stats that require 3rd grade math and you’re “smart.” Use better stats that require 6th grade math and you’re “dumb.”

by Teej on Nov 19, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

The Ohio State / Miami national championship that should have ended on a 4th and 3 for OSU in OT.

Pass interference called on a play where the defender arrived just after the ball did, prolonging the game and allowing OSU to eventually win. It was a somewhat close play, but that one play flipped the outcome of the game, so it was egregious in the result moreso than the judgment on the field.

by abender20 on Nov 19, 2009 2:11 PM PST reply actions  

I loved that game

Fuck Miami and fuck that weak whiny bitch Ken Dorsey. The world is a better place that they lost

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Nov 20, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

The rest of the team suffered from disparate impact

Ken Dorsey didn’t have that excuse and yet he was still a douche-prick

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Nov 20, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

What is the most egregiously bad officiating decision (in any sport) you know of?

To me it was the Kobe Bryant Elbow on Mike Bibby in the 2002 NBA playoffs. The day the NBA died for me.

Seen here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6rtMtdT-rs

This came up again after the Tim Donaghy stuff

“Referees A, F and G were officiating a playoff series between Teams 5 and 6 in May of 2002. It was the sixth game of a seven-game series, and a Team 5 victory that night would have ended the series. However, Tim learned from Referee A that Referees A and F wanted to extend the series to seven games. Tim knew referees A and F to be ‘company men,’ always acting in the interest of the NBA, and that night, it was in the NBA’s interest to add another game to the series. Referees A and F heavily favored Team 6. Personal fouls [resulting in obviously injured players] were ignored even when they occurred in full view of the referees. Conversely, the referees called made-up fouls on Team 5 in order to give additional free throw opportunities for Team 6. Their foul-calling also led to the ejection of two Team 5 players. The referees’ favoring of Team 6 led to that team’s victory that night, and Team 6 came back from behind to win that series.”
“My first thought [upon hearing Donaghy’s allegation] was: I knew it,” Pollard said Tuesday night. “I’m not going to say there was a conspiracy. I just think something wasn’t right. It was unfair. We didn’t have a chance to win that game.”

The Lakers went on to win the 2002 NBA championship.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3436401

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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 19, 2009 2:17 PM PST reply actions  

My "favorite" part of that was that NBC kept using a clip of Barkley driving the lane from that game to promote the finals

in which Sir Charles takes about 5 steps without dribbling. I thought it was a subtle commentary on the officiating from some Seattle fan at NBC. Just remarkable stuff that night, ASIDE from the foul disparity.

by marc w on Nov 19, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

XL

Yes, I’m still bitter.

by waldo rojas on Nov 19, 2009 2:38 PM PST reply actions  

I'm still bitter, but as with Clay Bennett/Utah Thunder, a part of me now sees XL for what it was:

a tutorial on how to throw a game in the replay era. Calling someone in bounds when they’re not, calling a catch a drop…that’s 5th grade shit, and the replay official isn’t generally going to go along. But judgment penalty calls? Well done, you fucking fucks.

Again, very similar to Bennett – you need to show that you followed due process, so you write a poison pill stadium bill. I’d laugh if I wasn’t still angry.

Neither of these things are particularly novel, but they were still a bit innovative. Bastards.

by marc w on Nov 19, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

The phantom holding call and the 15-yarder on Hasselbeck have been more widely discussed,

but for me the real killer was the Offensive PI on Darrell Jackson on the opening drive that wiped out the TD. The announcers sort of let it slide by, but on replay, there wasn’t really anything there that warranted the call. Who knows what happens if the Hawks get that TD.

by waldo rojas on Nov 20, 2009 8:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I can see why the refs threw that flag, though.

Jackson didn’t push off, but he trailed his arm behind him, so it looked like he was pushing off. If the refs see the receiver’s arm extended, they’re going to throw the flag.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Nov 20, 2009 8:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know, Offensive PI is a pretty rare call and usually has to be pretty blatant to draw a flag.

The contact on that play seemed pretty routine to me but I haven’t been able to bring myself to watch XL since.

by waldo rojas on Nov 20, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

It was ticky tack

But it was offensive PI.

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by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 20, 2009 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

The problem wasn't the call itself, it's the fact that in basically every game prior to XL, it wouldn't have been called.

If you’re changing the rules for a ‘big game,’ well, that’s different to calling phantom holding, but it’s still not cool.

by marc w on Nov 20, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah

That’s what I was forgetting.

by Robert on Nov 19, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Beer

I had a Limb & Life, collaboration between Sierra Nevada and Dogfish head and I was a little disappointed.

Here is a description

Life & Limb is a 10% ABV strong beer that defies style characteristics-brewed with pure maple syrup from the Calagione family farm in Massachusetts and estate barley grown on the Grossman “farm” at the brewery in Chico. The beer is alive with yeast-a blend of both breweries’ house strains-bottle conditioned for added complexity and shelf life, and naturally carbonated with birch syrup fresh from Alaska; it is the first beer we know of ever to use birch syrup in the brew.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

by InSpokane on Nov 19, 2009 2:38 PM PST reply actions  

On what basis were you disappointed?

I’ve been curious about this beer for a while. Was it too sweet? Not sweet enough? Just curious as to why you didn’t care for it.

by pdb on Nov 19, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

It was laking in much flavor over all. It also felt a little gritty and light.

You should really try it for yourself. I prefer bigger beer.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

by InSpokane on Nov 19, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

The premeire already happened

it combined Twilight and UCLA, and I still skipped it

by seattlebruin on Nov 19, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant the premiere to the general world

Isn’t it opening wide tonight at midnight?

by pdb on Nov 19, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

the girl who has been counting it down on my whiteboard for the last seven months can’t decide if she should go see it at midnight or not – she is concerned that the showtime is too late

by seattlebruin on Nov 19, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it is code for lack character.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

by InSpokane on Nov 19, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Someone in the last OTFP mentioned that you can buy banned and modded Xbox 360s for under $100 off of Craigslist.

They really are all over the place, I just picked up a Pro model with HDMI for $75. Anyone else thinking of picking one up?

by BrianL on Nov 19, 2009 2:46 PM PST reply actions  

And online is the only reason why I game.

I guess if my wife wanted one for when the next Elder Scrolls comes out.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 19, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Your wife plays Elder Scrolls?

That’s pretty awesome.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Nov 19, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

She put in 110 hours into Oblivion and enjoyed Fable 2

I missed my xbox during that time.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 19, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

If she enjoyed Oblivion and Fable 2 she'd probably love Dragonage.

And if she enjoys science fiction she’d also dig Mass Effect.

by BrianL on Nov 19, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

YES YES YES

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Nov 19, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

She didn't like Mass effect as much.

She is much more into the old timely fantasy, which is why I haven’t gotten Fallout 3 yet.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 19, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Can you play Dragonage in two person or co-op?

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

by InSpokane on Nov 19, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Part of her problem of Mass effect was gameplay.

She didn’t like the track feeling of Mass effect is dragon age the same?

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 19, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

No.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 19, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

In essense, yes.

That’s a turn-off for a lot of people, but the Bioware writers are often more than enough to make up for them. Brilliant storytelling.

by BrianL on Nov 19, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Its no go for me.

But she might still like it.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 19, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

They've masked a lot of the turn-basedness of it.

You can still move around, so it feels more like an action RPG, but it’s still turn-based.

Think of it as about half way between Final Fantasy and Fable II.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Nov 19, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Has anyone seen Pirate Radio?

Any good?

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

by InSpokane on Nov 19, 2009 2:58 PM PST reply actions  

I like Philip Seymour Hoffman

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

by InSpokane on Nov 19, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

And it's got

Rhys Darby (Murray from FoTC), Bill Nighy (Shaun of the Dead, among many other things), Nick Frost (also Shaun of the Dead), and a bunch of other good people in it too. But the director is the guy that made Love Actually and the Bridget Jones movies, and that can’t be good.

by pdb on Nov 19, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Lies.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Nov 19, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Are people still getting boxed?

I thought it was a fad.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Nov 19, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

You lead an entertaining life.

I haven’t been boxed yet. I must be a boring old bippy.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Nov 19, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

That's totally not my style, but maybe I'll switch it up a little bit.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Nov 19, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought Henry wasn't offside, but two other guys were?

I’m unclear on the rule, as far as whether the ref is supposed to blow the whistle if the guy offside is not the guy targeted with the pass. Either way, I remember seeing two guys behind the last defender.

by Teej on Nov 19, 2009 3:32 PM PST reply actions  

It seemed clear to me that Henry was onside

But that one of the two who was offside played the pass.

by Matthew on Nov 19, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I guess you're right

just looked at the replay again and Henry was onside, but there were two other guys offside. But again, the offside was so slight that the ref missing that part doesn’t bother me as much as the ref missing the blatant handball.

by pdb on Nov 19, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

That's 100% on the linesman

Pretty sure the ref is completely and unavoidably blocked

by Matthew on Nov 19, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't see anyway, given the current arrangement of officials

that anyone but the far linesman could have seen that. On the goal line like that and with players in the way, the 4th obviously cannot see it, the ref is going to be back near where the pass originated, the near side linesman is patrolling the French side…

They need a 2nd ref in a bad way, if for nothing else than to maybe cut down on the diving.

by Matthew on Nov 19, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I've thought about this question a lot

and where would you put the second ref? Would each ref only be responsible for one half of the pitch, or would they both cover the entire pitch? Would they each cover one side of whatever area of the pitch they’re on? In goalmouth situations, would one hang out right at the goalmouth area while the second would stay in what is their current “normal” position? Not saying these are reasons not to do it, I’m just not sure how they’d work it out.

I’d be fine with one ref, if video replays were introduced. That would also cut down on diving.

by pdb on Nov 19, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

So can someone clarify the rule for me?

Let’s say Henry scored directly and was onside. The offside guys weren’t involved at all. Does that still call for a whistle?

by Teej on Nov 19, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Apparently, it's still offside, I'm not real sure.

I do know that it’s rarely ever called that way.

by Matthew on Nov 19, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

It's all down to when the pass was made

if the pass was made when all offensive players were in an onside position (with defenders between the attackers and the goal), then yes. if the pass was made when a player was on the goal side of the defense, then the play should be stopped.

by pdb on Nov 19, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Travis is asking something like:

Player A passes to Player B on the near side, who scores. At the time of the pass, Player B was onside, but Player C, on the far side, was offside. Player C was never involved in the play.

I have seen that be allowed roughly 75% or more often.

by Matthew on Nov 19, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes.

Basically, I’m asking: Does the offside rule apply to every offensive player, or just the man targeted with the pass?

I guess trying to surmise who is targeted would be very difficult when several players are making a run at the goal.

by Teej on Nov 19, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

FIFA's Law 11 would seem to stipulate

that it just applies to the player targeted with the pass. They define that as “interfering with play” but they don’t mean “interfering” in a pejorative sense, more in the sense that the player targeted with a pass can influence the play, when player C was, say, 10 yards away and not an intended target.

by pdb on Nov 19, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

That was my understanding,

but some people more informed than I have told me otherwise.

Luckily, since I only care about the Sounders, the offsides rule has no bearing on me.

by Matthew on Nov 19, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I also find it interesting and yet completely understandable and obvious

that the arms are not to be considered when judging an offsides position. Hands, chest, and feet are the only relevant areas.

by pdb on Nov 19, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

And not hands

wow I should really read before I type.

by pdb on Nov 19, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

For a brief moment,

I was enthralled with the possibilities of judging by hands and chest, but not arms.

And you ruined it.

by Matthew on Nov 19, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

No, if the other player isn't involved in the play, the Ref is not supposed to call offsides.

This rule change is fairly recent, so if people grew up with the game, they may not have noticed. Or, it could be that MLS didn’t adopt the FIFA rule change (wouldn’t be the first time).

It’s still a judgment call, and every once in a while you’ll see a ref call offsides on a player who’s looking away from the ball and trotting away from goal. The reason being that even passively, he’s ‘involved’ in the play because the keeper may be aware of him as a potential target for a pass, and changing his play based on that. The ref’s supposed to keep his whistle in his pocket in those cases, but I’ve seen it go both ways.

by marc w on Nov 19, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I've always understood 'involvement' as a judgement call

And that technically players reasonably close to play are involved whether they are the targets or not, but that the recent change was that referees have been instructed to be a lot more forgiving with ‘involvement’ than they used to be rather than it being an actual rule change per se.

by Graham MacAree on Nov 19, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure, but clarifiying/narrowing the definition of involvement seems

like a de facto rule change at least. It really has had an effect, at least from my sample of watching games- there are a lot of goals now that I’m about 100% sure would’ve been waived off 10 years ago.

by marc w on Nov 20, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

My fandom for Robbie Keane was the shortest fandom in the world.

However I will still go around singing “Dunne Dunne Dunne Dunne” to the tune of Indiana Jones

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Nov 19, 2009 3:38 PM PST reply actions  

I tried those once, a couple things about them were too annoying for me to deal with.

One, you have to have the box ~18" from your face, for approximately 20 minutes a day. Two, you should really start in September, too much after that and the effect is reduced. It would be fine if I could read or something, but my eyes dilate down so much I can’t see squat.
Also, this is the advice I was given by a doctor, and the studies that I subsequently read, about 5 years ago so things might be different. Or there might be different studies with differing conclusions, by different researchers. I’m out of disclaimers.

by Kermit. on Nov 19, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I use one.

I have had this one for maybe two years. I have it by my desk and use it for about 30 minutes most nights during the winter. It is a lot like taking vitamins. You aren’t suppose to feel super happy from using it. You are just meant to feel normal.

by mark sobba on Nov 20, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

thanks

I’ve been eyeballing this one, and yes, I’d just like a little boost back to spring/summer equanimity

by msb on Nov 20, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

The Phil Luckett double-whammy in '98

the coin flip screw-up followed the next week by Testaverde’s “touchdown” against the Seahawks.

by stupidquestions on Nov 19, 2009 4:11 PM PST reply actions  

Oh hey!

At least he got fired for that (or demoted from Referee).

by marc w on Nov 19, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

How is that different from any corporations behavior?

Hate on Jobs all you want but large corporations, Microsoft included, pull this shit every day.

by Sec 108 on Nov 20, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I see nothing wrong with Job's response

he gets eleventy billion emails a day, probably. he can’t be expected to show the same passion for Random Developer that Random Developer shows to him – he at least took four seconds to email personally rather than farming it out to a marketing or communications department. Just because Jobs doesn’t acknowledge the developer’s special snowflakeness in his reply doesn’t mean the developer needs to get all pissy.

by pdb on Nov 20, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

So I'm cooking today!

I think I’m going to go with:

Thai Curried Noodles
Thai Cucumber Salad
Double06’s peanut sauce
Lime Chicken stir fry

Hopefully I don’t create a major public health crisis.

by Decatur on Nov 20, 2009 1:33 AM PST reply actions  

Mmm Thai food

bookmarked!

[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]

by bluemax on Nov 20, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

So the cooking went really well.

I had little idea of what I was doing, but I made it work after calling my aunt. I didn’t have any lemongrass in the peanut sauce, but everyone still said spontaneously that it was awesome, bomb, fantastic, etc (along with all the other dishes, yay). Good work Double06! I substituted pesto sauce for the fresh basel I couldn’t find as well and lime skins for the kaffir lime leaves. I really liked the cucumber salad, but I think the Thai curried noodles tasted a little too plain with this recipe. Does anyone think that more curry paste or power in that one would’ve been the way to go?

by Decatur on Nov 24, 2009 3:49 AM PST up reply actions  

So

I ran into a guy dressed as a slice of Bacon at the Hurricane tonight, and he said that a guy named Red won one (all?) of the competitions at The Bacathlon. After a short exchange it seemed like we were talking about the same Red, bushy Red beard, semi-pro pro wrestler, huge fan of Adrian Beltre etc. But considering both of our levels of intoxication, and the fact that Fin here is/was a Bacon intern (not sure on your current state, sorry Fin), I thought I’d mention it and see if we can corroborate the story. Because if our friend won a fucking bacon eating contest….well then, that would be fucking awesome.

Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle

by appleshampoo on Nov 20, 2009 3:12 AM PST reply actions  

P.S.

I fucking dare you to even TRY to spell corroborate after a few beers….man, that’s tough. I didn’t try, just looked it up.

Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle

by appleshampoo on Nov 20, 2009 3:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I love the Hurricane, by the way.

I wish I knew there was going to be an LL’er or two there, I’d have gone after work.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Nov 20, 2009 3:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I probably head down there 1-2 times a week.

Decent enough divey place with standard diner food.

Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle

by appleshampoo on Nov 20, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I used to go there more often

but a year or so ago I felt that I needed to lose a bit of weight. I still go there late evenings a couple times a month, though.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Nov 20, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Hahahaha, yeeeaaahhh......

I call the appetizer sampler the “heart attack special.”

Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle

by appleshampoo on Nov 22, 2009 2:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't think it was our Red

The guy dressed as bacon was Ted Smith from the Men’s Room (radio show on KISW 2p-6p — good show, by the way).

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Nov 20, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Damn.

Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle

by appleshampoo on Nov 20, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Bill Krueger's take on the off-season, 8 o'clock hour on KJR.

do I listen on the chance that he actually has put some thought into the team, free agents, recent awards?

by msb on Nov 20, 2009 7:53 AM PST reply actions  

oh, and Sandmeyer wonders aloud ...

if there WAS a deal on the table right now for Felix … would Zduriencik be allowed to pull the trigger, or would Chuck et al not let him because trading Felix might make them look bad.

by msb on Nov 20, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Ah, well.

real life interfered, so I have no idea what Bill thinks.

by msb on Nov 20, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

ok, I caved.

Bill and Mitch are trading Felix now, to avoid any potential future damage. Bill thinks somebody like the Dodgers should be all over him. You could get Kershaw and a zoomin’ bat and a kid from the minor leagues, and then pick up Lackey and you are set for next year.

Morrow could be a guy who could win double-digits next year.

RRS is your number three starter. Mitch thinks Ryan only does it when the season is getting away from them, and he needs to show it at the start of the year.

Fister knows how to pitch.

by msb on Nov 20, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Dave's Hurtin' Habanero

and it’s not particularly close. If you really want hat, go with Dave’s Insanity, but Hurtin’ Habanero leans towards the flavorful side of pain, while Insanity is on the painful side of flavor, if that makes sense.

by pdb on Nov 20, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

More muted, definitely, but still there

that’s why I love this stuff – you get a fair amount of the sting of a habanero, but it’s blended with enough other flavors that the sting doesn’t linger like it does with fresh habanero.

by pdb on Nov 20, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

And like cholula, it's pretty good in almost anything

Not sure about brownies, but it’s good in eggs, on nachos, in soups, pretty much anything I’ve tried it with it works in.

by pdb on Nov 20, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Man, bored with cholula... what's the world coming to?

For something in the Cholula family, I like another mexican one called Salsa Huichol or Huichol hot sauce. It’s different, and it’s not one of those over-the-top pain inducing hot sauces (neither is cholula, of course). It’s cheap, different and pretty good.

by marc w on Nov 20, 2009 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I live on Tapatio

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

by InSpokane on Nov 20, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

It tastes like ketchup to me.

It’s really the most dull “hot” sauce there is. You’re better off buying ketchup to be honest.

by Kirk on Nov 20, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

.

The Source. 7.1 million Scoville Units. Seven times hotter than the hottest pepper known to man (Bhut Jolokia). Hotter than pepper spray.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Nov 20, 2009 8:14 AM PST reply actions  

The reviews/comments on that page are priceless

“It’s like someone shot me in the face. It’s an incredible experience.”

Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle

by appleshampoo on Nov 20, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Kevin Baxter of the LA Times has been on the radio up here a couple of times lately

and both thimes he has warned the Seattle fans that although Lackey always smacks the M’s around in Safeco, he doesn’t do that to every other team in the league….

by msb on Nov 20, 2009 8:23 AM PST reply actions  

Pot meet kettle?

Originally posted 08:26 AM ET 11.20
" had a neighbor that did that about 15 years ago, home schooled and spent 6 – 8 hours a day on baseball. Kid had talent, got drafted in the 3rd round. Too bad his arm was toast by the time he was 20. Never made it passed AA. Now he’s used selling cars."

i believe that is where most of them end up….the obsession with sports in this country is sickening.
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this from someone who has signed into SI in order to comment on an MLB rumor site.

by msb on Nov 20, 2009 8:29 AM PST reply actions  

This one guy I knew, he had it all going for him.

Tall, handsome, strapping guy, extremely intelligent, charismatic personality, highly motivated and highly educated. Shortly after graduating and starting his first job, he was killed by a drunk driver. Things like that make you think, why bother even trying?

by Kermit. on Nov 20, 2009 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

They don't even use real butter do they?

I love buttered popcorn. I can’t stand that chemically generated oil they use at theaters.

by Sec 108 on Nov 20, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

The chains don't but a lot of indies do

at least in Portland, Cinema 21 and the McMenamin’s theaters use real butter.

by pdb on Nov 20, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I went to this Post Apocalyptic film fest in Santa Monica last year

and with your ticket you got unlimited free old fashioned popcorn with actual butter.

It was amazing but also horrible at the same time.

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by bluemax on Nov 20, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

And it's wonderful.

I don’t really buy popcorn at other theaters because the “rich golden topping” makes me feel ill.

by Teej on Nov 20, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Landmark Theatres popcorn = <3.

That’s the only thing I miss about that job.

by Aaron Campeau on Nov 21, 2009 1:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought they had all switched to butter now. I guess I was wrong.

When I was in high school and worked at a theater we got in so much trouble if we asked people if they wanted “butter” instead of “butter flavoring”. That stuff….. Oh brother. It’s bad.

by royalcurve on Nov 20, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Weren't theater employees lungs at risk from the fumes?

Seems like that was one of the issues that precipitated the whole transf-fat thing.

by Kermit. on Nov 20, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Graham, or other knowledgeables - looking over KLaw's MLB FA article, he mentions this about Ben Sheets
…When healthy, Sheets throws 90-94 mph with a hard downer curveball in the upper 70s and a show-me changeup; he throws a lot of curveballs, which may not be so good for the elbow, but it’s his best off-speed pitch…

What do you think of non-committal mechanics/pitch selection relation to injury statements like this? Is there any proof that throwing a specific pitch (e.g. a curveball) more often leads to certain types of injury or even injury in general?

by seattlebruin on Nov 20, 2009 9:32 AM PST reply actions  

Some have suggested that the slider is bad for the elbow.

But I don’t know if I’ve ever seen conclusive evidence for it.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 20, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

There was an article about 10 years ago, stating that the popularity of the splitter had driven an increase in Tommy John surgeries.

I can’t remember any of the specifics, except they postulated 20% splitters as being the red line. They had some numbers from the 1980’s and 1990’s, citing increased usage of the splitter and elbow injuries, pitchers and their percentage of splitters thrown. I’ve been looking for that article off and on for the last year, I’ve been wanting to give it another read, and get some opinion from LL.

by Kermit. on Nov 20, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I asked Graham about this a few years ago... don't think it was here, can't remember where it was.

I think the point is similar to the idea that delivery A is more likely to lead to injuries than delivery B – any potential difference between them in injury risk (which is still purely speculative) is dwarfed by each individual pitcher’s innate difference in injury risk due to physiological factors. That is, a person’s tendons have more to say about whether their tendon will snap than if they have a sideways sigma, or if they throw a splitter.

(I love the splitter, and still can’t figure out why people think that it would lead to more TJ surgeries given that it’s delivered identically to a fastball.)

by marc w on Nov 20, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Well the real question is who decided on the correlation/causality link

perhaps pitchers are getting more and more TJ surgeries because the procedure has matured and become more common at the same time the splitter has gotten popular

by seattlebruin on Nov 20, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'd love to find that article and give it another spin.

I never bring it up, except in situations like this where the validity of such an assertion is the actual topic. Excellent point about the… efficacy (?) of TJ surgery.

by Kermit. on Nov 20, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

WHAT THE FUCK
Who’s on first?
12:34PM ET
Jose Lopez | Mariners
Top Email

With free agency officially starting Friday at midnight eastern, the Seattle Mariners lost exclusive negotiating rights to first baseman Russell Branyan.

But there’s apparently a backup plan in place already, according to FoxSports.com.

Jose Lopez could be moving to first base in 2010 after spending each of his first four full seasons as the starting second baseman. His lack of defensive range is one reason Seattle would consider replacing him at second.

If the Mariners look to the free-agent market for Lopez’s replacement, Placido Polanco, Felipe Lopez and Orlando Hudson are all available, as is Mark DeRosa, who can also play third base and outfield, two other positions Seattle is considering additional help.

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/features/rumors

by seattlebruin on Nov 20, 2009 9:44 AM PST reply actions  

Ahem.

“M’s might move Lopez to first — 11:55 p.m.
Could Jose Lopez be the Mariners’ first baseman in 2010?
The possibility hasn’t been ruled out.
“It’s too early to lock anything in,” general manager Jack Zduriencik said Thursday. "

Lopez may be Mariner’s first baseman.
Lopez may be Mariner’s ballboy.

by msb on Nov 20, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

x
Boras fielding plenty of offers already — 1:48 p.m.

Scott Boras said business has been brisk for him on Opening Day of the free agent season.


Boras declined to say which players received the offers, but he said interest has been strong in reliever Mike Gonzalez and third baseman Adrian Beltre.

by Poochie on Nov 20, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

31% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Bahahahaha.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Nov 20, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Some of the positive reviews are completely inexplicable

They’re like “Yeah this movie fucking sucks but I gave it a tomato anyways because someone’s going to like it”

by OlSalty on Nov 20, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Bahahaha
Look: “New Moon” is just not a great movie. But let’s face it: Stephenie Meyer has the swooning girls/gay boys market locked up.

This person gave New Moon a tomato.

by seattlebruin on Nov 20, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm slightly nervous...

that my wife might drag me to see this with her this weekend.
/facepalm

by urchman on Nov 20, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

My worst officiating memories..

I’m a diehard Green Bay Packers fan, so the first thing that comes to my mind is the 1999 playoff against the 49ers. 4th quarter- 49ers are driving down the field, Jerry Rice fumbles. The Packers appear to have this game in the bag. Refs say Rice was down before he fumbled the ball, our streak of super bowls ends, Reggie White retires.

Then the whole Mike Reilly Yankees game pissed me off

by CKel on Nov 20, 2009 11:00 AM PST reply actions  

That game was the straw that broke the camels back for Holmgren in Green Bay

and is one of the reasons why he came here so I disagree and think that official was a very nice man with a beautiful wife, a handsome son, an adorable daughter and a loyal dog.

by Robert on Nov 20, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember this.

Even as a HUGE (at the time) 49er fan, and the fact that Jerry Rice was my childhood hero, I was objective enough to recognize that the Packers got jobbed on that call.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Nov 20, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

The LHC just worked.

So I assume we’re all dead now in a black hole.

Personally, I am finding the afterlife disappointing.

by Matthew on Nov 20, 2009 11:47 AM PST reply actions  

.

YES YES YES

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Nov 20, 2009 1:23 PM PST reply actions  

GOD

I like cats and I like auto-tune, but I DON’T like that

Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle

by appleshampoo on Nov 20, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Die in a slow-roasting, long-lasting fire, Tommy Smyth

he was on ESPN while I was at the gym today, wittering on about the injustice that Ireland “suffered” on Wednesday, and talking about how Henry “cheated” (instinctive action is cheating after the fact, but I doubt he even had time to think about it), how FIFA “has to” replay the game, and how one of the reasons FIFA isn’t considering replaying the game is – I can’t quote him exactly but this is as close to exact as I can remember (I was on the treadmill) – because the head of FIFA (Sepp Blatter) is French and Henry “Might have had a word with Blatter or a representative – not that I’m saying he did, mind you, but the possibility is there and it’s enough to warrant a replay”.

First of all, you moron, Blatter is Swiss. Fact-checking is fun! Secondly, when on earth would Henry have had time to talk to Blatter right after the game? Why would Henry even raise the possibility of a replay at that point? And for Smyth to go on and on about the injustice of it all – he even brought up the children! – was utterly ridiculous when you consider how many handballs have gone unpunished in the history of the game.

The other 21 players on the pitch, whether they said so or not, would have done the exact same thing that Henry did in that situation – and if they got caught they’d be OK with it, as would Henry have been.

by pdb on Nov 20, 2009 1:27 PM PST reply actions  

I know it but this was bad even by ESPN standards

I really wish I had a transcript of it, because he kept invoking FIFA’s “Fair Play” slogan and talking about the kids that come out before every match, and about how those kids now have no one to look up to because “professional athletes must be beyond reproach”. He then went on to talk about how this is the Last Thing Ireland Needs Right Now – the Celtic Tiger (yes, he used that phrase) is dead and gone, the unemployment rate in Ireland is even more than Portland’s, the banks in Ireland are in danger of pulling an Iceland, and NOW THIS.

It was so trainwrecky I couldn’t not watch it, and now I feel dumber for having done so.

by pdb on Nov 20, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

It's by no means limited to ESPN of course.

Luckily it should be blatantly obvious to even ignorants that Smyth is incredibly biased toward Ireland and that he’s not to be listened to in this matter.

Also, Henry publicly backed a replay: http://bit.ly/5sKV6u so it seems extra inane to suggest that Blatter would deny a replay based on talking with Henry.

by Matthew on Nov 20, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I was kinda surprised they gave him three minutes of uninterrupted airtime to talk about it

I figured they would have had him as a counterpoint type guy or a quick one or two sentences, at most, given his Oirishness. And yeah, it’s not just ESPN.

Henry’s awesome at PR, always has been. He knows there will never be a replay, so he’s got nothing to lose by calling for one now.

by pdb on Nov 20, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Shup up pdb, or my petition to have the 2002 World Cup quarterfinal replayed may not be successful!

Torsten Frings cheated, and it’s possible he may have spoken to Sepp Blatter (German is another of Switzerland’s official languages) afterwards. We can’t rule out that possibility, and it’s not too late to replay that game, then a new semi and final if need be. We have to get it right, pdb.

by marc w on Nov 20, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure he does, now that FIFA has said it'll never happen

The Irish should be careful what they wish for. If by some miracle they were to GET a replay, they’ll have to reproduce the best game they’ve played in the last 10 years and hope that the French reproduce the worst game they’ve played in 15.

by pdb on Nov 20, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay music lovers.

I tend to like mainstream rap, like “Whatcha Say” by Jason Derulo, “Run This Town” by Jay Z – stuff like that. But it’s on the radio 150 times a day. Anyone have lesser known songs that they could recommend?

I like this, for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJaPYd-17JE This dude is some random MySpace artist with no album. Finding stuff like that would be great.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Nov 20, 2009 2:06 PM PST reply actions  

I don't know much about modern mainstream rap

but I do know that I like Blue Scholars and Lyrics Born. I don’t have a ton by either one, but they’re definitely worth checking out.

by pdb on Nov 20, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Already know them. They're like the number 1 (and 2?) groups recommended to me.

Though I forgot about Lyrics Born. I have to check them out again, it’s been a while.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Nov 20, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I was considering mentioning Lyrics Born on here..

Figured it was pointless. I’m really happy to see otherwise

by CKel on Nov 20, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know if these are mainstream enough, but I enjoy

Atmosphere
Living Legends
Common Market
Sweatshop Union

I like going to Pandora and typing the band I want to hear and see what other stuff they share with me.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

by InSpokane on Nov 20, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Atmosphere is awesome.

Toss is some Blackalicious, Aesop Rock, EL-P, and The Gift of Gab, and you’re golden.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Nov 20, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I have never heard Aesop Rock. I'll check them out.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

by InSpokane on Nov 20, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Aesop Rock is one dude

he’s my favorite. I also like Busdriver

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by bluemax on Nov 24, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

They don't really need to "be" mainstream.

I don’t care who the artist is or what the song is. But they have to sound like mainstream stuff. I like that kind of… overly energetic/club beat and harmonized choruses, and you usually only find that kind of music in the mainstream.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Nov 20, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm, well most of the ones I listed are a little more gritty, not Willie B gritty, just a little more indy.

Just plug them into Pandora and see what you think.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

by InSpokane on Nov 20, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Grieves is fairly good.

I’d listen to Irreversible by him first.

by Mariner John on Nov 20, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Some newer rap albums I enjoy:

DJ Quik – Blaqout (lighter West Coast, innovative production)
Redman/Method Man – Blackout 2 (BO 1 was good too if you haven’t heard that one)
D. Black – Ali’yah

and a bonus classic: DOC -No One Can do it Better

by waldo rojas on Nov 21, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Miami Heat over Dallas Mavericks, 2006 NBA Finals Game 5

Aka, when I gave up on the NBA. Specifically with this play:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sSsOj-ogGw

About 3:55 in. They replayed it over and over…there’s is no contact by the Mavericks. Zero. Now this is the only clip I can find of the play (despite all of game 3 being available on youtube). It was the culmination of the Wade starting to get insane amounts of calls starting especially in Game 3. Just incredible. My boss who always hated conspiracy theories and the like (and was not a Mavericks fan) couldn’t believe the call either.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Nov 20, 2009 2:40 PM PST reply actions  

Or, as Bill Simmons put it in his draft diary that year

“The Mavericks just selected Maurice Ager from Michigan State. He walked up to the podium, held up a Mavs jersey and was immediately whistled for a foul on Dwyane Wade.”

by seattlebruin on Nov 20, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Isn't it weird to still be seeing Billy Mays in advertisements?

I just saw him on TV again today for the Jupiter Jack. I’m seriously considering starting a counter of days since I last saw Billy Mays on TV.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Nov 20, 2009 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

By the way

I caught part of the UFL game last night. Who was doing the play-by-play? Our favorite M’s announcer, Dave Sims!

Listening to him call football is pretty damn fun.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Nov 20, 2009 3:33 PM PST reply actions  

On your whole computer, or just your web browser?

If it’s the latter, there should be a View>Zoom option, or you can (probably, I’m on a PC here) hold Apple, +.

by Mikky on Nov 20, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I heard him first late last night, with Jason Smith

I didn;t last through this one— did he mention that even had he voted for Carpenter, Carpenter still wouldn’t have had the votes to win?

by msb on Nov 20, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

On second listen you are correct.

With all the shouting and cutting off between Klaw and the hosts I misunderstood how he was evaluating pitchers. He went off on a tangent for a little bit that made it sound like he was using something like tRA.

by BrianL on Nov 21, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah you're right, on second listening

It just didn’t seem like the interviewers were attacking him from a position of rational analysis either so it made his arguments seem superior. Better than theirs, but not really convincing outside of that context. Obviously he wasn’t voting for the best pitcher.

by OlSalty on Nov 23, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

This is kinda neat

Penguin escapes certain death by whale by jumping in boat

I’ve got nothing against penguins but if I was in what appears to be a tiny rubber boat in the middle of what appears to be some very very cold water and the object of a bunch of big ass whales’ desires jumped into my boat, that cute little guy is going back in the water real quick. Those whales did not seem pleased.

by OlSalty on Nov 21, 2009 10:30 AM PST reply actions  

Just because they are sometimes called killer whales doesn't mean that they will actually go after human feet.

It’s this type of ignorance that has caused these majestic creatures to almost be hunted off the face of the earth. Take the time to educate yourself and you will be less likely to make a fool out of yourself in these types of conversations.

by Right Guard on Nov 21, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions   8 recs

This is a great exchange.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 21, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

No nonsense rebuttal

Love it

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Nov 21, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I really hope this was a joke

But even if it wasn’t that’s fucking awesome. I don’t think people ever hunted Orcas because they thought they were murderous machines of death hell bent on killing people. I think they almost exclusively hunted them for their oil and meat and precious precious ambergris.

by OlSalty on Nov 21, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I am not exactly sure what part of my comment that you think is a joke.

Even if AC Blue was just talking about the weather (which I have my doubts about) then it still doesn’t hide the fact that many people are willing to tell themselves whatever it takes to avoid thinking about the world’s harsh realities. The fact that my previous comment turning green as an indicator that it is awaiting moderation only furthers this truth.

My wife is a volunteer marine biologist with an organization that I will keep unnamed due to some unwarranted negative press that it has received in the past. If you could see some of the things that she has then you would change your views awfully quick. Just watching this one video alone changed my entire outlook on the subject. And for those of you that think that assume that captivity is a completely different subject, well just look at the facts, Orcas die in captivity.

When will people realize that aquariums are just the Auschwitz of the oceans??? When was the last time you saw a fish that was happy there? You just simply don’t. They either are ripped from their native habitats or they are breed in under water whorehouses to replenish their fallen loved ones. For every ticket that you buy to one, you might as well be the one that shoots the harpoon into the month old Orca.

If you people have a problem with what I say maybe you should question your own beliefs before you automatically assume it is a joke. More often than not you will find that you were the one in the wrong.

by Right Guard on Nov 22, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions   6 recs

Wow.
When will people realize that aquariums are just the Auschwitz of the oceans??? When was the last time you saw a fish that was happy there? You just simply don’t. They either are ripped from their native habitats or they are breed in under water whorehouses to replenish their fallen loved ones. For every ticket that you buy to one, you might as well be the one that shoots the harpoon into the month old Orca.

That might be the most amazing paragraph I’ve ever read.

Fuck Anaheim.

by Eyeball Kid on Nov 22, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

It was below your skill level,

but I figured it was some sort of Jakabauskas rage reducing the quality.

by Sec 108 on Nov 24, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Ah.

The Jakubauskas rage has settled down to a high-grade ennui, which actually helps me deal with the Seahawks season.

by marc w on Nov 24, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

High-grade ennui.

I like that. It characterizes some of the Bavasi years for me.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 24, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought it was a joke after watching the video

Because that was hilarious.

But it all seems so genuine otherwise so I’m honestly still not sure.

by OlSalty on Nov 23, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Excellent

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Nov 21, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Orcas are amazing.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Nov 23, 2009 7:38 AM PST up reply actions  

That last drive was so poorly coached, holy crap.

I was not routing for either team but was shocked that Ole Miss somehow didn’t lose.

Mariners/D Broncos/BSU Broncos fan in Seattle

by appleshampoo on Nov 22, 2009 2:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I understand to some extent why he left the ball alone.

It was moving very quickly at a pretty sharp angle past him, to the point that he had one hand to try to spear a tumbling ball. I don’t blame him if he felt that making a play for the ball would likely lead to redirecting it to LSU.

by abender20 on Nov 23, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

For a big-time receiver on the hands team on an onsides kick to avoid catching a football because it's going fast

is basically like a linebacker not attempting to make a tackle because that running back looks like he has hasn’t missed many meals, and has malicious intent to boot.

Yes, he only had one hand out, and that’s part of the problem.
I know he couldn’t have predicted that it would go right to an LSU player in stride, but… take your chances and make a play, Mr. Best-player-on-Ole-Miss.

by marc w on Nov 23, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I can understand that they didn't have time to get the field goal unit on the field on the last play

But the quarterback was an idiot to spike it and the coaching staff were just as dumb for not communicating to him that he needed to take a shot at the endzone.

And the fact that they let 25 seconds run off the clock before calling a timeout a couple plays earlier was just amazing.

by OlSalty on Nov 22, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Hah, I liked this one.
I spoke at a luncheon hosted by the LA Times today, and by doing so I did more for the Times than Plaschke has all year. 4:05 PM Nov 17th from web

by Kermit. on Nov 21, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Ahahaha
They asked me who will win tonight between the Yankees and Angels and I said, “Only gypsies predict!” But I’ll be watching tonight at 5pm.

by OlSalty on Nov 21, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I like this one too
They should blow up the 5 freeway! I don’t care what time you drive on it. Traffic is always Brutal!

I think that would only exacerbate the traffic problem, Tommy

by OlSalty on Nov 21, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Listening to him on draft day is one of the highlights of my year.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 21, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Aroldis Chapman fires agent, hires Hendricks bros

Link

A bit surprised, considering that his previous agent had been touting him as a left-handed Strasburg (inaccurate) and suggested he could get a $60 million dollar contract. Why not just go with Boras and get double that? Also, considering the other guy, no name that he is, had been negotiating for months now, that kind of… sucks for him.

The Hendricks Bros represented Roger Clemens and Jay Buhner, along with current guys like Andy Pettite and Kendry Morales. I would say that if you were holding out hope that the M’s were going to do something here, that might be diminished now. Personally, I think he’s interesting, but not worth nearly as much as he wants. He’s not polished enough to deserve it.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 22, 2009 9:21 AM PST reply actions  

Actually this can probably go in a FanShot.

Even though no one reads FanShots.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 22, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I did something today that put me in a club with Lou Piniella,

Alex Rodriguez, Mike Holmgren, and quite possibly Shawn Kemp.

And that is get criticized on the radio by Dave Grosby for something I did (or did not do).

My life is strange.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Nov 23, 2009 1:52 AM PST reply actions  

I was doing the PA for Seattle University's basketball game Sunday

this went on the radio on tape-delay because of the Seahawks game, so I got in my car just in time for the game to start.

There was a weird moment early in the game where the referees took a time out to video review a foul to see if they thought it was intentional. I didn’t know what was going on, other than that my job was to grab the video screen, put it on the scorers table so that the refs could look it over.

Grosby, on the radio, remarked about how there had been no announcement in the arena and that nobody seemed to know what was going on.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Nov 23, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

You'd never see any American sports team do this

Wigan’s players have pledged to reimburse any Wigan supporter who made the trip from Wigan to North London to watch the Wigan/Spurs game, a game that saw Spurs run roughshod over Wigan by scoring 9 goals. It’s a two-hour train ride from Wigan to London (plus Tube time in London to get to White Hart Lane), the cheapest round trip train fare is about £50, and match tickets were probably anywhere from £25-75 or thereabouts, so there’s some decent money being put forth by the players at this point. It’s a nice gesture that you’d never see any team in this country make.

It would be an understatement to say I’m no fan of Spurs, but that was truly a breathtaking performance – Jermain Defoe scored a hat trick in 8 minutes (and 5 goals total), and Spurs cruised to a 9-1 win.

by pdb on Nov 23, 2009 9:14 AM PST reply actions  

Not really.

it’s not often a team loses 9-1; fans of smaller teams are conditioned to expect losing to bigger teams, I think it was the magnitude of this loss that made the players want to do something for the traveling fans. Wigan’s a pretty poor area, on average, so the expense of traveling to the big city to watch your team play is not inconsequential for most of the people that live there. The players are at least aware enough to know that if a Wiganite (Wiganist? Wiganian?) makes that trip and spends that money, the team better at least look like they belong in the Premier League.

by pdb on Nov 23, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

A single fan, yes

This is for anyone with a ticket. And it’s from a player. You think LeBron James and his teammates would reimburse (hypothetically speaking) 1500 fans that flew from Cleveland to Portland only to watch the Blazers beat Cleveland by 45 points?

by pdb on Nov 24, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

No.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 23, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

We have a Ginger-laden family.

I can’t ignore them.

Facebook hugging, on the other hand…

by msb on Nov 23, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

There aren't any in my family.

But a friend of mine sort of has an obsession with them and it falls to me to say “hey, you, stop that” and possibly waggle a rolled-up newspaper threateningly.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 23, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Evil Monday Activities.

Someone heating up food smelling things in your vicinity, an hour before you have any chance to go home and make food-smelling things.

by msb on Nov 23, 2009 3:35 PM PST reply actions  

I call Bogus.

“Old Dogs : From the director of Wild Hogs, John Travolta and Robin Williams star in the comedy event of the holiday season. In theaters Wednesday!”

by msb on Nov 23, 2009 3:41 PM PST reply actions  

Pretty much.

Pair this with Wild Hogs, and you’ve got yourself an instant suicide-pact creator double feature!

by pdb on Nov 23, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

The majority of the people I work with love the movie Wild Hogs.

They’ve repeatedly offered to let me borrow it. Ugh.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Nov 23, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow.

There is definitely a place in this world for middle-of-the-road, lowest-common-denominator gag humor; I like to think that place is nowhere near where I am. I’m not sure what I would do if someone offered to let me borrow their copy of Wild Hogs.

by pdb on Nov 23, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Dear douchebag advertising fool that was sitting in front of me at the MLS Cup last night

Thank you for acting like an aspergers case that was tripping on acid. Your act was so annoying that I felt the need to call up the company that employed you in order to complain. I enjoyed bitching to whoever was in charge to the point where he agreed to refund my ticket and then some. I now hope our paths cross again at another sporting event.
Sincerly yours,
Robert

P.S. I hope your Angels sweatband matches well with your other accessories in the unemployment line.

by Robert on Nov 23, 2009 4:13 PM PST reply actions  

A fine illustration this evening that fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.

fair, fat and fifty, rolling down the sidewalk, informing the middle-aged homeless woman that HE worked for a living ("I used to, she says, quietly), and then getting into a shouting match after the older homeless guy who was just sitting on a bench decided to take objection to what was apparently a daily denigrating remark made in passing.

by msb on Nov 23, 2009 6:03 PM PST reply actions  

Sigh.

changed over from the news to hear the KJR Schnoz updates, and instead find it is Elise sitting in on the morning show (yay!), and look! she’s brought along Steve Kelley (not yay.) Steve feels that now is the time to bring Holmgren back, as full-time GM.

by msb on Nov 24, 2009 8:09 AM PST reply actions  

The portion of show that I listened to,

Kelley seemed to be asserting that Holmgren needed to be the man in charge of getting the Hawks next QB of the future. I can’t say that I disagree with that.

by Robert on Nov 24, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Let's say that Mike Holmgren returns as GM

I’m not convinced he would think that QB is a pressing concern for Seattle. This is the same guy who rode Alexander for two seasons after it was clear that he was done and probably would have used him for a third season had Ruskell not intervened and released him.

by BrianL on Nov 24, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, at least nobody was to blame

The Ireland-France referee is comfortable in the knowledge that the failure of his team to do their job is not his fault. Which is true – it’s not like the referees are on the field to adjudicate play or make decisions about rules or anything like that.

by pdb on Nov 24, 2009 10:05 AM PST reply actions  

I kind of want to go to this.

I wonder if they sell t-shirts there…

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Nov 24, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

More video awesomeness

Jimmy Fallon being funny – who knew? – as Neil Young. And he nails it.

by pdb on Nov 24, 2009 1:07 PM PST reply actions  

Speaking of late-night stuff

Anyone been following the Tonight Show since Conan took over? For a while I was pretty disappointed with it, but he seems to be rebounding over the last week or so.

by BrianL on Nov 24, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

To clarify

it seemed like around mid-September he put too much focus on his monologue. Lately he’s been going back to interacting with Andy and the band as well as bringing in more of his old Late Night absurdist schtick.

by BrianL on Nov 24, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I've watched it sporadically

and it still seems pretty funny to me – I don’t watch more than once every couple weeks, but it seems like he’s picking up right where he left off. Meanwhile, the big jar of mayonnaise in a suit that is Jay Leno is killing the late local news in a lot of markets. Nice job, Jay.

by pdb on Nov 24, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh thank God

I thought I was the only one who found Jay Leno to be painfully unfunny. I always preferred Letterman over him.

by BrianL on Nov 24, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw Jay Leno do standup once in about 1985 and it was fucking hysterical

unfortunately, year after year of pandering to the comedic tastes of Middle America has taken anything even remotely funny about Jay Leno and turned it into the worst kind of bland, inoffensive routine imaginable.

by pdb on Nov 24, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

George Lopez is at least worthy of the occasional chuckle from what I've seen

Jay Leno is basically making jokes about airplane food, and his version of “edgy” is showing wacky headlines and calling it comedy.

by pdb on Nov 24, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

*to ever have his own talk show

Paul Reiser’s unfunny show was a sitcom with lots of other unfunny people on it. Leno’s carrying his bag of shit all by himself.

by pdb on Nov 24, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I was just gonna ask

I’ve never really seen more than about 45 sec of Leno’s show – is it the same guy he had on his last show?

by pdb on Nov 24, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

As I say, I haven't seen the new show.

I’m assuming he brought Kevin Eubanks with him because the procedure to remove him wouldn’t be worth the effort.

by abender20 on Nov 24, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Pre phone interview nervousness kicking in

Gah I hate these things

[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]

by bluemax on Nov 24, 2009 1:32 PM PST reply actions  

It is

once I got the right size. The one I got was a small, which just didn’t even come close to being enough to hold both work clothes and gym stuff; even with the side strap it was just overstuffed and awkward. I upgraded to a large (I’m 6’ 2" so I skipped right over the medium) and it’s the best thing ever.

by pdb on Nov 24, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Good luck, and remember to have a backup phone in case there is a power-cut.

I used to live in a hilly part of East Manchester where the mobile signal was very poor. I had a telephone interview which I conducted on our cordless landline. Then the power went. I phoned back on my mobile but the signal was terrible so I had to go outside … which was about 1000 feet below a busy flight path for Manchester airport. And it was windy as hell that day which made communicating very difficult. The person conducting the interview must have taken pity on me however as I got through to the next stage.

by EnglishMariner on Nov 25, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Well I already had the call yesterday

whole thing lasted about an hour and apparently they want me to fly up soon (the company is in Seattle). I’m starting to have weird mixed emotions about the whole thing. The job is a step up career wise but going back to Washington is something I’m sort of unsure about now.

[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]

by bluemax on Nov 25, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Enjoy the Europa League, Liverpool.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

by Graham MacAree on Nov 24, 2009 1:40 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I was just looking at some pics of the Arsenal/Standard Liege game

and it looks like whoever designs Standard Liege’s kit is pretty much color-blind. Not sure what color that is but it looks really odd with the bright red shorts.

by pdb on Nov 24, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if those are warmup shirts or something

since their home kit is the same as Arsenal’s and their away kit is white tops/red shorts, I wonder if the officials made them change tops so they’d be more distinct.

by pdb on Nov 24, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

In college basketball terms

It’d be like Duke losing in the second round of the NCAA tournament, only to go play in the remainder of the NIT’s.

by pdb on Nov 24, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

In other words the Europa League is a tournament for Europe's minnows

that by rights Liverpool should be nowhere near but they are so bwahahahahahahahaha

by pdb on Nov 24, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

This also puts a lot more pressure on Liverpool in the Premiership

They can probably do OK financially for the rest of this year, but if they fail to qualify for the naked cashgrab that is the Champions League next year and have to play the whole season in the Europa League it’ll really put a dent in their finances, so they really need a top-four finish again this season to make sure they do qualify for the CL.

by pdb on Nov 24, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like Liverpool is in a whole world of hurt.

Boy oh boy am I glad that I waited before I picked an EPL team.

by Robert on Nov 24, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm hoping the Sounders get him.

(My ten year was finishing 5th again, which was disappointing at the time, but which looks OK in hindsight)

Guess what my 5 year gift was? Watching Sol Campbell lift the Premiership trophy with a club that shall remain nameless!

by marc w on Nov 24, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

They're not exactly desperate yet

but the rest of this year will be a pretty big test for them. They’re currently five points back of 4th place, which is the last CL spot; it’s by no means time for them to panic, but they can’t really afford too many more stretches of four losses in five games if they want to remain in the top tier of Europe’s club teams.

by pdb on Nov 24, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok I need help.

What was the skit on Almost Live that involved a Jackalope?

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 25, 2009 8:54 AM PST reply actions  

Can't help you with that

but I can get you some Supersuckers doing Creepy Jackalope Eye.

by pdb on Nov 25, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought that was Americas Funniest Home Videos.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Nov 25, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

No, it was the one that Dave Coulier hosted

He did the Jackalope voice, and it was kinda dumb

“Fast as fast can be, you’ll never catch me!”

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Nov 27, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

America's Funniest People.

I used to love that show as a kid.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 2, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure if anyone posted this

But the Zero Punctuation take on MW2 is out. I don’t play the game, but god I love these videos.

by Robert Lintott on Nov 25, 2009 9:10 AM PST reply actions  

Anyone that wants to throw on a critiquing hat.

Can you check out my L4D inspired short? – Its still a rough cut (Needs color grading still and the audio peaks like a mother fucker at the end) Should be SFW but it is loud. (unless your company has something agains the sight of guns that don’t get shot.)

http://joelandkiana.com/video/day43.mov

Thoughts?

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 25, 2009 11:15 AM PST reply actions  

OKAY GODDAMIT THIS IS SOME KIND OF BULLSHIT RIGHT HERE

I just had to go to the mall to get some socks. As I walk through the mall, set up right there by Eddie Bauer is the Santa display – candycane house, big Santa chair, tree, the whole works. AND IT WAS STAFFED. THERE’S A GODDAMN SANTA THERE ALREADY TAKING WISHES FROM THE KIDS.

Is it really too much to wait until the day after Thanksgiving for that? C’mon.

by pdb on Nov 25, 2009 12:03 PM PST reply actions  

I admit that is a problem but that's where the cheap socks were

but would it be so wrong to set up the Santa area with a sign saying “Santa will be here Friday” or something? I half wanted to go up to the Santa and make a wish and tell him it was for 2010 and I was just planning ahead. But then that would have involved sitting on an old man’s lap in a mall, and there’s only so many times I need to make THAT mistake in my life thank you very much.

by pdb on Nov 25, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I understand the frustration, but I am not surprised.

Retailers are freaking the fuck out about whether they will make enough this season to stay open next year. It is one of the drawbacks of basing so much of our economic health on one holiday spending spree.

by Sec 108 on Nov 25, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's not a surprise

my frustration stems more from the fact that retailers are freaking the fuck out, and from the thought that this type of things might alienate more people than it draws in, which makes subsequent years even worse, until we start seeing Christmas in August. It’s already crept to the day before/after Thanksgiving, it’s only a matter of time.

by pdb on Nov 25, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I had this rant.

And then I realized people might want the photos for their holiday cards?

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Nov 25, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Holiday cards can be sent over the weekend post-Santa on Friday!

and they will still make it to all corners of the globe in plenty of time for Christmas. Santa doesn’t exist…until the day after Thanksgiving. Them’s the rules.

by pdb on Nov 25, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I have buisness cards!

Except mine have my managers name crossed off and my named scribbled in pen. It shows that I actually care.

by Robert on Nov 26, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

huh

I never would have put “Norm MacDonald” and “Funniest People” in the same sentence. I’m willing to be proven wrong. Are there YouTubes of anything memorable that could prove this to me?

by pdb on Nov 25, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

So he's basically just a smartass that makes snarky comments?

Is his standup any funnier than that? his schtick in that video is mildly amusing but gets old fast. I fully concede that may be the fault of the medium – Regis Philbin makes me want to set things on fire and the show itself is…pointless, to be generous. So maybe that has something to do with it.

(not trying to pick a fight, just trying to understand why he’s considered extremely funny)

by pdb on Nov 25, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno I guess its a matter of taste

I think Norm works much better when there is no script. B-O-R-E-D is one of my favorite late night moments ever

by Poochie on Nov 25, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

YOU WANTED THE BEST YOU GOT THE BEST

THE HOTTEST BAND IN THE WORLD…..is on Facebook tonight, live from the Staples Center.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN….ACE FREHLEY!!!!! (will not be with us tonight)

by pdb on Nov 25, 2009 12:55 PM PST reply actions  

I know it doesn't matter

but it’s still nice to see Man Utd lose at home in the Champions League.

by pdb on Nov 25, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes! Yes it is

I would mock more but I am kinda terrified of bringing karma upon myself ahead of visits to Arsenal and City

by Graham MacAree on Nov 25, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

If Arsenal play like they played against Portsmouth this Sunday you'll have nothing to worry about

I think about 8 Arsenal first teamers are injured anyway, so it could well be Fabregas, Almunia, and the kit manager and the physio lining up to start at this point.

by pdb on Nov 25, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I look forward to Arsenal/Villa on Dec 27

22 players will start the match and it’s entirely possible that the game will be abandoned in the 24th minute because 7 players from each side will be injured by that point. Including a couple substitutes who will have crocked themselves warming up to come on.

by pdb on Nov 25, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

My team isn't playing on pickup stick legs. They do however get strange injuries and mental ailments.

We also like to injure others and then buy them while they’re injured.

I was more referring to that other football team, the Seahawks.

Although I am scared for Christmas soccer and am now afraid that my team will be broken in half.

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Nov 25, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

GOD

STOP TAKING PICTURES YOU FUCKING IDIOTS, IT’S A RED AND GOLD BEAR DO YOU EVER, EVER WANT TO SEE THAT?

GO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT LIKE FUCKING STICKING TOMMY TROJAN’S SWORD UP HIS ASS

by seattlebruin on Nov 25, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

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