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Points Of Contention: Jack Wilson's Offense

When the Mariners traded for Jack Wilson, we knew it a move fueled by defense. The front office and coaching staff made no secret of that. Wilson brought a glove, an excellent glove capable of making up for a lackluster bat, and this was okay, because we knew that he'd be able to field while remaining something above a black hole at the plate.

However, over the span of the next six weeks, Wilson would collect 116 plate appearances as a Mariner, and over those 116 plate appearances, he would hit just .224 with a .562 OPS. While no one expected Wilson to light it up, this was beyond terrible. This was a Ronny Cedeno level of bad, and in part because the whole Cedeno experience was still fresh in our minds, there developed this sentiment that Wilson's an "NL hitter," that he's a guy who can sort of hold his own on the other side but who becomes completely overmatched against the superior AL competition. Cedeno was awful here and successful with Pittsburgh. Wilson, some people have claimed, is a player in the same kind of mold.

I find this claim to be dubious for three reasons:

(1) There's no such thing as an "AL hitter" or an "NL hitter." While the AL is the better league and has the better pitchers overall, it's not so lopsided that NL hitters come over and lose tons of points off their production. I identified 42 hitters who switched leagues either last offseason or during the year and who accumulated at least 100 PAs on both sides. Those 42 players averaged a .315 wOBA in the AL (not park-adjusted) and a .323 wOBA in the NL. Over a full season, that's a difference of about four runs. It seems significant, but it's not colossal. Jack Wilson may have struggled over here, but what about, I dunno, Jeremy Reed? What about Endy Chavez or Alex Cora? It's not an idea that makes a lot of sense when you think about it, and it's not an idea that holds up to much scrutiny.

(2) Jack Wilson has collected 470 PAs during interleague play over his career. In those 470 PAs, he's hit .301/.334/.420, and he's been good in each of the last three seasons.

(3) 116 plate appearances. That's all we saw from Wilson in the AL, and for many of them he was playing hurt. 116 plate appearances barely tell you anything. If Wilson had come over and sucked that bad for a whole year, that would be one thing. But he sucked for a handful of weeks. A 3/4/5 weighting of his most recent seasons yields an un-adjusted wOBA of .301, which isn't that bad for a defense-first shortstop.

Jack Wilson may be a baseball player in the National League style, but there's no good reason to believe that his bat will continue to be this bad as long as he plays for an AL team. There is an AL adjustment that docks him a few points, but what we saw from him was extreme, a performance towards the lower bound of his probability distribution. It isn't realistic to expect him to keep that up. He's proven over the years that, while he's not a great hitter, or a good one, or an average one, he's a below-average one, and not a disaster. That's the player we traded for, and that's the player we almost certainly still have.

How Seattle will affect Wilson's offense is, of course, a legitimate question. Not only did he switch leagues, but he also moved to a park that doesn't treat righties very kindly. That's going to be an adjustment. However, for one thing, Wilson's power, like Jose Lopez's, is down the line to left, so he won't get killed by that power alley, and for another, the bulk of Wilson's production comes from line drives instead of fly balls anyway, so Safeco shouldn't hurt him as bad as it has guys like Mike Cameron. Wilson sprays singles. A single is a single in any ballpark.

Jack Wilson isn't a sexy, impact type of player, and at 32 this December, he's not on the way up. However, as a regular shortstop who can turn a lot of balls into outs and make a lot of low-to-the-ground contact, we could do a lot worse. Assuming his offense hasn't completely collapsed and that he's something like a +10 defender, we should see him end up in the neighborhood of a 1.5 - 2.0 WAR, and that's going to help. That's going to help quite a bit.

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Correct me if I am wrong

but isn’t PNC tough on right handed batters as well?

by Poochie on Nov 11, 2009 8:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Besides, given that we're rebounding from half a season of Yunibombing

The first full season of J. Wilson, full-time SS, should be a great change.

by Rachmaninoff on Nov 11, 2009 9:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Closer to four (three and two-halves), actually

…Why hasn’t anyone around here been praising Yuni for his ability to stay healthy? Clearly that is a very important and undervalued attribute in today’s marketplace!

Rooting for lovable losers since 1984.

by seattlecougar on Nov 12, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well said

We could do a lot worse than Jack Wilson, and oh boy, we have in the past.

by njd.aitken on Nov 11, 2009 9:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thank you Jeff

I’m glad someone finally debated the notion that “when you switch from the NL to the AL you ultimately end up in a black-hole and a land of suck”. I realize there is a level of talent difference between the two leagues but, in my opinion, it is greatly overemphasized. Yes, the AL is better than the NL but that doesnt mean every player, including Jack Wilson, is going to be terrible now that he’s in the AL. Also, keep in mind that PNC is generally considered a pitchers park as well. Maybe not to the extent that Safeco is, but the difference should be considered overwhelming. Great post Jeff

by eastcoastmariner on Nov 11, 2009 10:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

props

i just wanted to let you know that i’m a hardcore yankee fan and yet i always stop by Lookout Landing because you guys have good analysis and are absolutely hilarious. keep up the good work.

by goyanks69 on Nov 12, 2009 8:35 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thank you.

In the future, please use proper capitalization when posting here. It’s one of LL’s user guidelines.

by Matthew on Nov 12, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So Wilson can be counted on to be just what we thought Yuni would turn into

Just older and more expensive. Which is OK, Yuni was going to be a good player before he became a bad one.

Checking out Wilson’s plate discipline stats his contact ability seem to have suffered a little over the last couple of years but remains well above average on both in and out of the zone pitches. The one thing that jumps out at me is he swung at a lot more balls last year than ever before in his career, which I hope is a sign of ‘pushing’ or whatever they call it. If Wilson goes back to laying off the out of zone stuff and making contact with everything in the zone there’s every reason to expect a 280/315/400 year from him.

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by Bearskin Rugburn on Nov 12, 2009 10:23 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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