Rosenthal reports M's have talked to Jays about Lyle Overbay

Overbay is both not very good and due $7m in 2010, so, with our salary situation, I wouldn't expect this to get much farther.

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Would much rather have Branyan. Much, much rather.

by OlSalty on Nov 11, 2009 12:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I imagine the thought would be Overbay starting at 1B, Branyan at DH

and then Griff slides into DH when one of the two is injured.

by Matthew on Nov 11, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If so couldn't we expect average production at 1B from Carp?

That’s about the best case scenario for Overbay

by OlSalty on Nov 11, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Average is probably a stretch.

But, yeah, Overbay’s cost isn’t worth the improvement over Carp.

To borrow from Jeff, my assumption is that it went like this

Zduriencik: So, Overbay…
Torouopulosuoulsous: Yeah!
Z: I hear you might be willing to move him.
T: Yeah!
Z: We might be interested…
T: Yeah!
Z: If you pick up some of his salary.
T: Ye—oh, no.
Z: Okay. click
T: I gotta leak this to people think Overbay is worth trading for!

by Matthew on Nov 11, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

Right I get that Jack is probably just covering his bases

But I just don’t get why we would even be remotely interested in him. There have got to be guys out there who can match Overbay’s production who can be had for less, if those people aren’t in the organization already.

by OlSalty on Nov 11, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, there's no way Z wants him unless they pay some of that salary.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Nov 11, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

or ...

To borrow from Jeff, my assumption is that it went like this

Torouopulosuoulsous: So, Overbay…
Zduriencik: Yeeeeah??

by msb on Nov 11, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd take Overbay for Carlos Silva.

by Lanky on Nov 11, 2009 12:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Uh

by Jeff on Nov 11, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I know. It was meant tongue-in-cheek.

Although, these are the people who gave Wells his contract, so maybe it’s not as absurd as it sounds.

by Lanky on Nov 11, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

These are different people from the ones who gave Wells that contract

by seattlebruin on Nov 12, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This sort of rumor used to make me very nervous

these days I can pretty much ignore them and rest easy

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Nov 11, 2009 12:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

flip?

I actually see a lot of interest in Overbay out there… so I would actually trust Zduriencik to take advantage of the Blue Jays in this deal and then maybe take advantage of another team in an Overbay deal… much like he did with getting Heilman from the Mets… wow, come to think about it. He might have stuck it to three teams on that deal. I’m so jealous.

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by jameslcrockett on Nov 11, 2009 12:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

But local native!

Wait, we’re not doing that anymore?

by pmc47 on Nov 11, 2009 1:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I just like this note at the bottom.

One agent who spoke with Mariners general manager Jack Zduriencik this week came away convinced that Seattle will try to add veteran talent this winter — rather than move star pitcher Felix Hernandez.

In fact, a starting pitcher is on the Mariners’ wish list.

“Jack wants to win,” the agent said.

abender20 hates freedom.

by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 11, 2009 1:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

He added Griffey!

So now we have the veteran part taken care of. So clearly it’s time to add talent.

by eponymous_coward on Nov 11, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I must have been misreading FanGraphs

Either that, or my ability to properly compare is way, way off. Poop.

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Nov 11, 2009 1:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Me too! I'm very disappointed about this.

by Kermit. on Nov 11, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Huh.

Bill James projections for 2010:

Mike Carp: .746 OPS, .331 wOBA
Lyle Overbay: .802 OPS, .354 wOBA

Somehow, almost 7 million for 20-ish points of wOBA from a 1B (and probably ~1 WAR) doesn’t strike me as worth it. Pass.

by eponymous_coward on Nov 11, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah thats like paying 7 million for a win. Thats overpaying.

Lyle Overpay. :)

by ARock on Nov 11, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Bill James projections are not very good.

They’re almost always very optimistic.

Tools Whore

by Tyler on Nov 11, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

But.....

Optimism is fun!……right? Guys?

Hey, where’s everybody going?…..

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Nov 11, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The point is the difference between Overbay/Carp isn't all that much.

by eponymous_coward on Nov 11, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

When I initially read this though

I was actually comparing Overbay and Branyan. Overbay’s basic number projections look slightly better….unless I’m wrong, like I said…I hadn’t taken money into account, but the original rumor referred to Overbay as “affordable”, which made me wonder how much they offered Branyan. Not that the rumor mill would know anything about what we might consider ‘affordable’, but…yeah…

Also, Overbay = hometown hero! teehee! /sarcasm

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Nov 11, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This is where I went, outside the local guy thing.

Throw in some GMZ trade voodoo and bingo, guy could be a bargain. What do I know. GMZ appears to be a natural horse trader, and that’s something you can’t teach.

by Kermit. on Nov 11, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Overbay is like 2 WAR

And he is 32, so decline is expected.

Branyan was almost 3 WAR last year with some missed time. And will probably be cheaper to sign than Overbay.

Get Branyan.

by ARock on Nov 11, 2009 4:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

by msb on Nov 11, 2009 6:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Although nothing has gone wrong yet

I hope that Zduriencik is aware that the 2004 Brewers were not a successful team and while assembling them as the 2010 Mariners would be a neat trick, it would not be conducive to winning baseball

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Nov 11, 2009 10:37 PM PST reply actions 1 recs