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Wait - WAIT! NO STOP YOU'RE MAKING THIS AWKWARD

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Wait - WAIT! NO STOP YOU'RE MAKING THIS AWKWARD

So by now you may have heard that Griffey's coming back. He had such a good time last season that he's agreed to accept a lesser role in exchange for the opportunity to do it all over again in 2010, and the contract he's getting - according to Jerry Crasnick - will again have a low base with a bunch of incentives. The more things change, and so forth.

What this isn't is a baseball move. Or at least, what this isn't is a baseball move intended to improve the team's chances of winning on paper. For one thing, Griffey's coming on as a bench player. Bench players seldom make any kind of significant difference. And for another, let's face it - Griffey isn't good. Not adjusting for park, he has a .330 wOBA over the last two seasons and a .336 wOBA over the last four, offensive performances turned in either as a DH or as a DH-level defender. He's totaled 0.3 WAR since 2006 and, due to the failures of science, he's only getting older. People will argue that there's upside here, that Griffey will hit better now that he's gotten his knee fixed up, but there's no reason to believe them. Griffey's only statistical upside is luck. In terms of true talent, he is essentially a replacement-level player.

What this is, then, is an acknowledgment on the front office's part of the effect of Griffey's presence. This is a pure chemistry move. There's no other way around it. The front office is smart enough to know that Griffey can't contribute much in the box scores anymore, so their decision to bring him back anyway shows that they believe he makes the team work better together just by being himself. Which, well, we can't prove one way or the other. The rational thing to do is to doubt the significance of any effect until it's proven, and with that in mind the return of Griffey is at best inefficient, but on the other hand it's really really hard to argue against anything that makes Ichiro smile so damn much. Throw in the fact that this can only help with the Felix negotiations and I can't bring myself to be that disappointed. Maybe it's because I figured this was going to happen all along. But I see enough potential justification for this move that I don't feel so bad about it.

Dave has already run down what this means for the roster. Things change if the team decides to carry a six-man bullpen (or if, y'know, trades), but for now I'd hold off on purchasing any Langerhans apparel. That sucks. Ryan Langerhans is awesome. But...hey, Griffey, all right. Now that this is out of the way, here's to the front office focusing on the moves that will actually make a big difference.

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I had a feeling all through Sept/Oct that he would not retire.

I am mildly surprised Z and Co are keeping him around.

by Matthew on Nov 11, 2009 10:19 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Help with the Felix negotiations?

Like Silva helped with Santana? Foolproof!

by Lanky on Nov 11, 2009 10:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

LL really pimped out Silva helping with getting Santana…

Boy were we ever wrong on that.

I cannot believe how many words we wrote on that subject singing the praise of signing Silva as a means to acquiring Santana.

by Matthew on Nov 11, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, Silva stole Santana's cheeseburger

And then Santana didnt want to sign with us.

by ARock on Nov 11, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you saying Silva likes to eat?

If so I have no reason to see why Silva would steal another player’s cheeseburger. Carlos Silva is a wealthy individual. Carlos Silva can afford many many cheeseburgers.

by Poochie on Nov 11, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My comment wasn't directed towards LL writers.

I just like to reminisce about Bavasi-era shenanigans

by Lanky on Nov 11, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Quote from the Crasnik article:

“We’re tickled pink that he’s decided to come back,” Seattle general manager Jack Zduriencik said from the GMs meetings in Chicago.

- Clearly, Griffey’s job is to tickle.

by ARock on Nov 11, 2009 10:25 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, if bringing Griffey back means dumping Langerhans, I'm not thrilled

On the other hand, it’s not a big deal. And hopefully they’ll go with a six-man bullpen and keep Langerhans around.

by Gihyou on Nov 11, 2009 11:02 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

What's Mike Sweeney's status right now?

Is he a free agent? If so, here’s hoping the M’s only attempt at bringing him back into the fold is as a coach of some sort. I can’t take another year of Griffey and Sweeney on the same 25-man roster.

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by JLProck on Nov 11, 2009 11:05 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hmm.

My first reaction was: "Well this is obnoxious." I’m not quite sure how to term my second one. Griffey is old. He is not good at hitting. He is not good at fielding. He is good at two things: plate discipline/approach and making Ichiro smile. On one hand, this move goes along completely with Zduriencik’s emphasis on bringing in baseball players who are, well, well-behaved. I remember how much Z talked about whipping Danny Cortes (yes, the one who drunkenly peed on a fence) into shape after we acquired him from the Royals. Additionally, the Yuni move almost seemed to have more to do with the fact that he simply refused to work with the system than his horrible performance in the field and at the plate. However, this move doesn’t go along with Zduriencik’s other emphasis on bringing in good baseball players. Griffey is no longer a good baseball player. He is simply a really, really good human being (and a famous, ticket-selling one at that), and evidently that’s what matters to Jack Zduriencik.

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by Taylor H on Nov 11, 2009 11:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

There's 24 more roster spots.

Giving one of them to a “really good human being” doesn’t mean that’s all that matters to J.Z. I expect the other 24 spots will be assigned according to talent. I think you’re reading too much into this.

by Lanky on Nov 11, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is total fucking BS and I'm way more pissed off than I would have expected

Ryan Langerhans is way too valuable to just non-tender to make way for Gramps McFuzzyfeel.

Seriously dude, everyone knew the deal when you signed. Except you, apparently.

by acblue on Nov 11, 2009 11:17 AM PST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps we will cut Bill Hall

Perhaps we will go with 11 pitchers

Its too early to tell and get this upset

by Poochie on Nov 11, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather have a 12th pitcher or Bill Hall than Griffey, too.

It’s stupid. It doesn’t mean I don’t still love Zduriencik or that I’ve given up on the team, but it’s fucking retarded and I have every right to be pissed about it.

I didn’t want them to do it last year, but it wasn’t a big deal when they did. Whether this is a big deal in the grand scheme of things or not, it is now a big deal to me.

by acblue on Nov 11, 2009 11:28 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

This move will not dictate whether or not we qualify for postseason

Therefore I refuse to be outraged that Ryan Langerhans may be sacrificed

by Rudy4three on Nov 11, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You can feel however you want.

I am entitled to be pissed and think it’s retarded if I like.

by acblue on Nov 11, 2009 11:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I too will be upset if we don't retain Langerhans.

Maybe we keep Hall, but what would it hurt to have an 11-man pitching staff?

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by JLProck on Nov 11, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is anyone else rosterbating like crazy in their heads right now?

I’m trying not to spill any on this thread, but it’s hard to hold it in.

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by JLProck on Nov 11, 2009 11:21 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Then you're a better man than I.

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by JLProck on Nov 11, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There hasn't been anything done with Langerhans yet.

Though it may seem likely what might happen, the fact is we don’t exactly know. Would it suck to lose Langerhans? Yes. But I think Zduriencik has earned our trust with the moves he’s made so far. I think he’ll do what’s best for the roster.

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by JLProck on Nov 11, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not familiar with the term "appeal to authority."

Care to elaborate?

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by JLProck on Nov 11, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A logical fallacy, wherein one states that something is true because an authority says so.

I’m not sure your argument qualifies, but it would be something like “Jack Z says it’s the right thing to do, so it must be the right thing to do.”

by Lanky on Nov 11, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

For some reason

I keep thinking of the movie Rudy.

Rooting for lovable losers since 1984.

by seattlecougar on Nov 11, 2009 1:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Frankly, I am ambivalent about the signing.

Was there probably a better use of the resource? Yes. But, were talking about the 25th man on the roster. With injuries, trades, etc., the roster is an ever changing organism and will not be the same on April 1, May 1, June 1 and so on. I am just going to give this a big yawn.

by Coug1990 on Nov 11, 2009 1:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm happy

It’s not like we’ve ever gotten a ton of production out of our 25th man. Better this than some Rule 5 thingee or a revolving door of 7th pitcher or Miguel Cairo

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by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 11, 2009 2:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Reality calling folks....

Langerhans sucks. He has proven time and time again that he can’t hit major league pitching consistently, and I cannot for the life of me fathom why everyone here and at USSM has such a hard on for him. He is AAAA replacement parts, readily available at any time. At least Griffey was really good once – Langerhans has never been consistently good.

by bumkus on Nov 11, 2009 10:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You have numbers to back that up?

Cuz if you don’t – it’s just your opinion. My WARI (Wins Above Replacement Idiot)is right at league average.

by bumkus on Nov 12, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Langerhans is just as valuable, if not more valuable, then Griffey right now.

Hell, Langerhans posted a better WAR then Griffey did last year.

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by JLProck on Nov 11, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Langerhans has never consistently gotten playing time.

And he has not been awful in the time he’s gotten. And he’s cheap.

by Mariner John on Nov 12, 2009 12:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Define not awful

Cuz a .697 ops is pretty much awful. Yes, he plays good defense – but he is a replacement player and nothing more.

by bumkus on Nov 12, 2009 8:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In half a season in 2009, he put up a WAR of slightly over 1

So I would define ‘performing like a league average player’ as not awful

by Graham on Nov 12, 2009 8:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's only reality if you completely ignore defensive contributions.

Which, hey, that’s not really reality at all because defense is an extremely important part of the game. So what you’re purposing is just blatant jackassery.

by OlSalty on Nov 12, 2009 12:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lay off of goats

They are noble creatures, and sensual attentive lovers. If you weren’t so busy sucking on the Langerschwans maybe you would be able to understand.

by bumkus on Nov 12, 2009 8:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hint to all reading:

If I don’t like you and you don’t capitalise, you will be banned.

by Graham on Nov 12, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, you've convinced me.

I well-reasoned and insightful argument. Thank you.

by Lanky on Nov 12, 2009 8:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs


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