AL Gold Gloves Announced
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 12:22 PM PST
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PrintBlah blah, they don't matter. I know. People will still talk about them, so talk about them in this meaningless thread. Feel free to not talk about them too. Or whatever.
Just for fun, I listed each player's rank in UZR amongst qualified players at his position for 2009.
P - Mark Buehrle
C - Joe Mauer
1B - Mark Teixeira (7th of 9)
2B - Placido Polanco (1st of 9)
3B - Evan Longoria (1st of 8)
SS - Derek Jeter (5th of 10)
OF - Adam Jones (17th of 34)
OF - Torii Hunter (13th of 34)
OF - Ichiro Suzuki (12th of 34)
Jeff's note: emphasis on "they don't matter." They don't. They don't matter. Do not get up in arms over poor selections, because they don't matter. Matter, they don't. You may think that they matter, but further investigation will reveal that they do not.
Congratulations, Derek Jeter!
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Franklin :(
"Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism." -Kenny Powers
Ahahahaha Torii is probably going to win a Gold Glove for the next four years at least.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Nov 10, 2009 12:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions
It's an act of symmetry.
He hasn’t had a positive UZR in the last 4 years.
buehrle was probably worthy as well
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Nov 10, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Stupid...
How do people not even realize that Gutierrez was the best outfielder in baseball this year…well I guess I should take a look at who votes for this crap shouldn’t I?
I know this doesn't matter but FUCK ANYBODY THAT DIDN'T VOTE FOR FRANKLIN YOU RETARDED PIECES OF SHIT.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Nov 10, 2009 12:42 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
We should paint a glove gold and send it to him.
It will be a GoLLd GLLove
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Nov 10, 2009 12:48 PM PST reply actions 10 recs
Say what?
American League Leaderboards " 2009 " Right Fielders " Fielding Statistics | FanGraphs Baseball http://bit.ly/3d3wcG
How fantastic of you to think so
and not mention The Fielding Bible in your original statement. In a thread that does mention UZR.
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Citing the source of one's information/opinion
when said source has yet to be mentioned should not be, and is not, a clarity standard unique to Lookout Landing.
To say nothing of Ryan Sweeney who played most of his games in RF
but not enough to qualify alone for that position.
Well if you do it by straight UZR, at least Ichiro isn't completely undeserving
it’s not like they gave the award to Jermaine Dye
by seattlebruin on Nov 10, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
I want Yuni to win one
and for Dayton Moore to get all uppity and feel validated
by seattlebruin on Nov 10, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
I was not expecting much smarts in the voting
but dear god that’s horrible. You don’t need UZR to see the kinda year Guti had.
You need to care though.
And the voters don’t.
Fans don't vote.
People in baseball should have at least some sort of understanding of who is good at baseball. And if they don’t have time to watch the other 29 teams in the sport (which is understandable), they should have something more reliable than “a play I saw one time” upon which to base their votes.
Yes, but we knew he was very good
we just weren’t sure he had “best CF season in the history of UZR” in him so quickly
by seattlebruin on Nov 10, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
The title of the post announcing the trade on USSM
“Franklin Gutierrez Is Really, Really Good At Defense.”
We knew.
by davidcameron on Nov 10, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
People who didn't take the time to look into the trade at all didn't, maybe
But it seemed fairly obvious that his defense was the centerpiece of the return on JJ at the time, because he certainly wasn’t overly impressive with his bat at that time.
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""We acquired this guy because he can play center field," Zduriencik said. “We feel he is one of the better outfielders in the American League. He’s still young, and there is a big upside to him. We look forward to watching this kid play center field every day in our ballpark, where he will have a chance to show his skills. And we hope he comes on some offensively. If he does that, we’ll be real happy.” "
I love how Rob is considered to be a Red Sox lackey.
IIRC he grew up in Mo, is a KC fan, and has spent the last number of years in Seattle & Portland.
just wait until he wins mvp
then he will be the bestest player ever
by Jerikantilles on Nov 10, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
I don't see how MVP voters can justify not giving it to him now
Best hitter in the league? Check.
Best defensive shortstop in the league? Check.
World Series ring? Check.
With those three things going for him it would be pretty insane not voting on Jeter for MVP.
by Graham MacAree on Nov 10, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait Jacoby Ellsbury really put up a -18.3 UZR in CF this season?
I thought he was supposed to be good
I know it really fluctuates and it's not near a big enough sample size
but isn’t it kind of alarming when a guy sudden goes from very good to very bad in one year? Or is this typically one of those things where he’s probably not as good as the good year or bad as the bad year?
by seattlebruin on Nov 10, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
Bingo
He’s probably not good, but -18 is extreme.
by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 10, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
If you take both his time in a corner and in center into account
Then over his career he comes out as a ~ -5 CF
by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 10, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
And doesn't Fenway make it hard to judge outfielder performance?
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Nov 10, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
And the team's streak continues!
Yes, the awards are basically handed out arbitrarily. Yes, they are essentially meaningless. No, these facts do not reduce the pleasure I have for the M’s having won at least one GG each year since ’88.
Irony.
This is the first I’ve heard from you since Sunday and thus is my evidence that you survived.
Interesting.
So everyone’s moved past the Adam Jones thing?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Gutierrez was worth 3.5 wins over Jones in 2009
by seattlebruin on Nov 10, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
Adam Jones is a boring old biddy
by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 10, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That was your first, and last, peppermint Schnapps.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Nov 10, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly, I had completely forgotten about Adam Jones.
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
I have.
Yes, the trade sucked. Yes, we lost Jones. On the flip side, it was the catalyst for getting GMZ/Wak, and we got Gutz. From where I’m sitting right now, I"m just as happy (if not happier) with Gutz than AJ.
by Rachmaninoff on Nov 10, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
Amen to that.
Say it with me: Washington Capitals. Capitals.
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
Brock and Salk
talking about Mathew and this post, heh.
Salk agreed with you.
The award is nice for the players who win it, but to fans it’s not worth getting riled up over.
Meh.
Just more ’Let’s give shiny things to the Yankees’. Call me when we trade for Pujols.
by I Lick Squirrels on Nov 10, 2009 2:53 PM PST reply actions
if you want pooholes, you're going to have to switch teams.
by chezbergrur on Nov 10, 2009 3:07 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Wow. I guess Aaron Hill still didn't hit well enough to win the Gold Glove.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Oh dear...
So I went over to Halos Heaven to see what they were saying, and Rev. Halofan, who runs the show over there, had this gem: " problem with gutierrez [is that]
his statistical lead is pretty hairsplitting and Torii’s glove was more entertaining."
I went ahead and pointed out that Gutz’s statistical lead wasn’t really hairsplitting, and a Halos fan jumped in to agree…which lead to this (again from Rev. Halofan):
“oh alright it wasn’t hairsplitting … he was a great boring defender instead of the most exciting defender in the sport today. Frankie goes to Microsoft no film at 11…”
Sigh, stupid objective analysis taking away from the fun of blind Torii-worshipping!
I don't even know what that means.
"oh alright it wasn’t hairsplitting … he was a great boring defender instead of the most exciting defender in the sport today. Frankie goes to Microsoft no film at 11…"
I'm going to to with
“I can’t find any coherent argument to justify Torii over Gutz, but damn it, I like him better!”
by Rachmaninoff on Nov 10, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
It's a Halos Heaven thing about the M's/Seattle
It’s that or something about rain/grunge. Comedy!
You forgot coffee.
The one Seattle stereotype that I do not actively enjoy!
You not liking coffee makes me doubt your analysis on all other things.
...and now I'm here
In that case I'll accept your analyses but will wait for others to verify.
...and now I'm here
Should you have expressed love for coffee I would have been willing to accept everything you say as gospel.
...and now I'm here
Well now I'm not sure if drinking more does or does not usually work in terms of enhancing comprehension.
My whole world is topsy turvy.
...and now I'm here
The best that I can give you is that I heartily enjoy that
Starbucks, et al bring in so much money to the city of Seattle and that its ubiquitousness here is something that people stereotype about our denizens. I would rather have our city be stereotyped than ignored.
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And that I appreciate a cup every now and then on some weekend mornings.
But that it is usually some frilly espresso version.
True. It's the stereotype element that bothers me.
Like “hey, you’re from Seattle, you like coffee”. If a jackass is going to talk to me, I’d prefer it be something original, at least. Not the same tired questions and ‘jokes’.
^
Example of me exhibiting the 5th Seattle stereotype: Seattle Nice
I am pretty sure that "Seattle Nice" is exclusive to Seattle.
But I have been wrong before.
They're "Seattle Nice" in Zimbabwe.
It’s trippy.
...and now I'm here
You shouldn't go to Halos Heaven.
For any reason. Literally, there’s no good reason to go there, much less comment.
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
Don’t give them the site hits worrying about what retarded thing they’re saying/doing this time. It’s always going to be retarded, there is no need to look.
by OlSalty on Nov 10, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I might suggest tracking the user down via 'internet stalking' measures
and showing up unannounced at his or her door to notify the user of your agreement. After which, the two of you could enjoy a mutually enjoyable activity.
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see the problem with using "this" along as one
pairs the word with a substantive post of their own.
Hmm
Well, Rally posts there sometimes….
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
It's not a good idea to comment on other people's blogs.
It makes them want to come here.
...and now I'm here
Torii Hunter's glove wasn't good enough to catch Nick Adenhart before he hit that pole.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 10, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 17 recs
This post is just the latest in a string of depressing posts here at LL:
(In no particular order)
1. Elias doesn’t know what they’re doing
2. Stupid rumor-mongering begins
3. GG voters don’t know what they’re doing
4. The Daniel Craig look-alike scares me a little
5. No Felix progress
Boo, Offseason.
It's !summer in Seattle.
and my bulk cargo shipment of Vitamin D pills hasn’t arrived from CostCo yet, I have nothing to offer but depression.
Because the Mariners are never depressing during the season.
...and now I'm here
David Wright!
First because he won it last year, and inertia’s the only thing that can explain Torii Hunter’s dominance (same thing with Griffey a decade ago). I think a lot of voters, perhaps those who don’t feel that the award should be based on a single season of data, just submit the same damn ballot year after year. I would love to see the number of votes that went to players who play in another league.
Second, because he bonked his head.
Because Jeter won for his defense?
Or Tex? Or Mauer?
I think Rob Neyer once wrote something along the lines of “Gold Glove winners are those good hitters who play decent defense.”
David Wright, definitely.
...and now I'm here
Pujols made it into positive numbers right?...
Since I think Zimmerman will beat Wright I have to go with Tulowitski
The only one that really pisses me off is Hunter
I hate him
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
He's rapidly becoming the new Kenny Lofton, isn't he?
… at least, to Mariners fans
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Nov 10, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
Sabremetrics are so 5 minutes ago.
I’m already looking for the next big thing.
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