AL Gold Gloves Announced
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 12:22 PM PST
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Blah blah, they don't matter. I know. People will still talk about them, so talk about them in this meaningless thread. Feel free to not talk about them too. Or whatever.
Just for fun, I listed each player's rank in UZR amongst qualified players at his position for 2009.
P - Mark Buehrle
C - Joe Mauer
1B - Mark Teixeira (7th of 9)
2B - Placido Polanco (1st of 9)
3B - Evan Longoria (1st of 8)
SS - Derek Jeter (5th of 10)
OF - Adam Jones (17th of 34)
OF - Torii Hunter (13th of 34)
OF - Ichiro Suzuki (12th of 34)
Jeff's note: emphasis on "they don't matter." They don't. They don't matter. Do not get up in arms over poor selections, because they don't matter. Matter, they don't. You may think that they matter, but further investigation will reveal that they do not.
Congratulations, Derek Jeter!
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Franklin :(
"Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism." -Kenny Powers
by DKulich44 on Nov 10, 2009 12:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ahahahaha Torii is probably going to win a Gold Glove for the next four years at least.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Nov 10, 2009 12:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
It's an act of symmetry.
He hasn’t had a positive UZR in the last 4 years.
by abender20 on Nov 10, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, at least they got two positions right.
Progress?
by xero3k on Nov 10, 2009 12:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
buehrle was probably worthy as well
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Nov 10, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid...
How do people not even realize that Gutierrez was the best outfielder in baseball this year…well I guess I should take a look at who votes for this crap shouldn’t I?
by Mariner Melee on Nov 10, 2009 12:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I know this doesn't matter but FUCK ANYBODY THAT DIDN'T VOTE FOR FRANKLIN YOU RETARDED PIECES OF SHIT.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Nov 10, 2009 12:42 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
We should paint a glove gold and send it to him.
It will be a GoLLd GLLove
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Nov 10, 2009 12:48 PM PST reply actions 10 recs
Ichiro was the best right fielder this year, so that's another one right if, you know, they did it by LF/CF/RF.
by lailaihei on Nov 10, 2009 12:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Say what?
American League Leaderboards " 2009 " Right Fielders " Fielding Statistics | FanGraphs Baseball http://bit.ly/3d3wcG
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the fielding bible awards are slightly more accurate than just UZR.
by lailaihei on Nov 10, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How fantastic of you to think so
and not mention The Fielding Bible in your original statement. In a thread that does mention UZR.
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry that my original comment was not up to the clarity standards of this website.
by lailaihei on Nov 10, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Citing the source of one's information/opinion
when said source has yet to be mentioned should not be, and is not, a clarity standard unique to Lookout Landing.
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To say nothing of Ryan Sweeney who played most of his games in RF
but not enough to qualify alone for that position.
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well if you do it by straight UZR, at least Ichiro isn't completely undeserving
it’s not like they gave the award to Jermaine Dye
by seattlebruin on Nov 10, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want Yuni to win one
and for Dayton Moore to get all uppity and feel validated
by seattlebruin on Nov 10, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was not expecting much smarts in the voting
but dear god that’s horrible. You don’t need UZR to see the kinda year Guti had.
by IceStormV1 on Nov 10, 2009 1:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You need to care though.
And the voters don’t.
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair...
Seattle fans didn’t know how great Guti was until he came over to your club either.
by Toxicadam on Nov 10, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fans don't vote.
People in baseball should have at least some sort of understanding of who is good at baseball. And if they don’t have time to watch the other 29 teams in the sport (which is understandable), they should have something more reliable than “a play I saw one time” upon which to base their votes.
by Teej on Nov 10, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but we knew he was very good
we just weren’t sure he had “best CF season in the history of UZR” in him so quickly
by seattlebruin on Nov 10, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The title of the post announcing the trade on USSM
“Franklin Gutierrez Is Really, Really Good At Defense.”
We knew.
by davidcameron on Nov 10, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
People who didn't take the time to look into the trade at all didn't, maybe
But it seemed fairly obvious that his defense was the centerpiece of the return on JJ at the time, because he certainly wasn’t overly impressive with his bat at that time.
by OlSalty on Nov 10, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/
""We acquired this guy because he can play center field," Zduriencik said. “We feel he is one of the better outfielders in the American League. He’s still young, and there is a big upside to him. We look forward to watching this kid play center field every day in our ballpark, where he will have a chance to show his skills. And we hope he comes on some offensively. If he does that, we’ll be real happy.” "
by msb on Nov 10, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hypothesis:
There is a direct negative correlation between expressed GG emotion and blog quality.
by Jeff on Nov 10, 2009 1:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rob Neyer chimes in
by seattlebruin on Nov 10, 2009 1:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I read too many comments. My head hurts.
by xero3k on Nov 10, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love how Rob is considered to be a Red Sox lackey.
IIRC he grew up in Mo, is a KC fan, and has spent the last number of years in Seattle & Portland.
by msb on Nov 10, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love the guy who insists that the line "e began his career with legendary baseball author (and now Red Sox executive) Bill James"
means Rob works for the Sox.
by msb on Nov 10, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its still bullshit!
abender20 hates freedom.
by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 10, 2009 1:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That Jeter kid must be gooooooooooooood.
Hank Aaron Award AND a Gold Glove!?!
wow.
by msb on Nov 10, 2009 1:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
just wait until he wins mvp
then he will be the bestest player ever
by Jerikantilles on Nov 10, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's not a terribly undeserving MVP
by seattlebruin on Nov 10, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, except compared to Joe Mauer
by seattlebruin on Nov 10, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But that's really all that counts
by seattlebruin on Nov 10, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Zobrist for MVP
I hope you die. I hope we BOTH die.
by BRKLN M'S on Nov 10, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how MVP voters can justify not giving it to him now
Best hitter in the league? Check.
Best defensive shortstop in the league? Check.
World Series ring? Check.
With those three things going for him it would be pretty insane not voting on Jeter for MVP.
by Graham on Nov 10, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait Jacoby Ellsbury really put up a -18.3 UZR in CF this season?
I thought he was supposed to be good
by seattlebruin on Nov 10, 2009 1:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I know it really fluctuates and it's not near a big enough sample size
but isn’t it kind of alarming when a guy sudden goes from very good to very bad in one year? Or is this typically one of those things where he’s probably not as good as the good year or bad as the bad year?
by seattlebruin on Nov 10, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo
He’s probably not good, but -18 is extreme.
by Jeff on Nov 10, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you take both his time in a corner and in center into account
Then over his career he comes out as a ~ -5 CF
by Jeff on Nov 10, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And doesn't Fenway make it hard to judge outfielder performance?
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phildopip on Nov 10, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck that guy.
Juan pierre 2.0 Now, with more pop in your bat!
And wins you tacos!
by hcoguy on Nov 11, 2009 12:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And the team's streak continues!
Yes, the awards are basically handed out arbitrarily. Yes, they are essentially meaningless. No, these facts do not reduce the pleasure I have for the M’s having won at least one GG each year since ’88.
by katal on Nov 10, 2009 1:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting.
So everyone’s moved past the Adam Jones thing?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 10, 2009 1:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Gutierrez was worth 3.5 wins over Jones in 2009
by seattlebruin on Nov 10, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sigh
Finally convinced my dad that Jeter is immensely hatable.
by westbrook on Nov 11, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was your first, and last, peppermint Schnapps.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phildopip on Nov 10, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I had completely forgotten about Adam Jones.
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Goose on Nov 10, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have.
Yes, the trade sucked. Yes, we lost Jones. On the flip side, it was the catalyst for getting GMZ/Wak, and we got Gutz. From where I’m sitting right now, I"m just as happy (if not happier) with Gutz than AJ.
by Rachmaninoff on Nov 10, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Franklin did a lot to help people move on
by OlSalty on Nov 10, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Amen to that.
Say it with me: Washington Capitals. Capitals.
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
by JLProck on Nov 10, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is how I feel
[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]
by bluemax on Nov 11, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brock and Salk
talking about Mathew and this post, heh.
by scotthawk on Nov 10, 2009 1:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Salk agreed with you.
The award is nice for the players who win it, but to fans it’s not worth getting riled up over.
by BrianL on Nov 10, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What are you planning to do with your new found fame?
by Robert on Nov 10, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
gLLoupies?
2009 Safeco Field Record: 6-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 10-4
by Fin on Nov 10, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh.
Just more ’Let’s give shiny things to the Yankees’. Call me when we trade for Pujols.
by I Lick Squirrels on Nov 10, 2009 2:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
if you want pooholes, you're going to have to switch teams.
by chezbergrur on Nov 10, 2009 3:07 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Wow. I guess Aaron Hill still didn't hit well enough to win the Gold Glove.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Nov 10, 2009 3:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh dear...
So I went over to Halos Heaven to see what they were saying, and Rev. Halofan, who runs the show over there, had this gem: " problem with gutierrez [is that]
his statistical lead is pretty hairsplitting and Torii’s glove was more entertaining."
I went ahead and pointed out that Gutz’s statistical lead wasn’t really hairsplitting, and a Halos fan jumped in to agree…which lead to this (again from Rev. Halofan):
“oh alright it wasn’t hairsplitting … he was a great boring defender instead of the most exciting defender in the sport today. Frankie goes to Microsoft no film at 11…”
Sigh, stupid objective analysis taking away from the fun of blind Torii-worshipping!
by Rachmaninoff on Nov 10, 2009 4:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't even know what that means.
"oh alright it wasn’t hairsplitting … he was a great boring defender instead of the most exciting defender in the sport today. Frankie goes to Microsoft no film at 11…"
by msb on Nov 10, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to to with
“I can’t find any coherent argument to justify Torii over Gutz, but damn it, I like him better!”
by Rachmaninoff on Nov 10, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a Halos Heaven thing about the M's/Seattle
It’s that or something about rain/grunge. Comedy!
by marc w on Nov 10, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot coffee.
The one Seattle stereotype that I do not actively enjoy!
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You not liking coffee makes me doubt your analysis on all other things.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Nov 10, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In that case I'll accept your analyses but will wait for others to verify.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Nov 10, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Should you have expressed love for coffee I would have been willing to accept everything you say as gospel.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Nov 10, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well now I'm not sure if drinking more does or does not usually work in terms of enhancing comprehension.
My whole world is topsy turvy.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Nov 10, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The best that I can give you is that I heartily enjoy that
Starbucks, et al bring in so much money to the city of Seattle and that its ubiquitousness here is something that people stereotype about our denizens. I would rather have our city be stereotyped than ignored.
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And that I appreciate a cup every now and then on some weekend mornings.
But that it is usually some frilly espresso version.
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I’d prefer ignored. Much worse for them to have the wrong idea than no idea at all.
by Lanky on Nov 10, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They don't have the wrong idea. Seattle drinks a lot of coffee.
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True. It's the stereotype element that bothers me.
Like “hey, you’re from Seattle, you like coffee”. If a jackass is going to talk to me, I’d prefer it be something original, at least. Not the same tired questions and ‘jokes’.
by Lanky on Nov 10, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
^
Example of me exhibiting the 5th Seattle stereotype: Seattle Nice
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am pretty sure that "Seattle Nice" is exclusive to Seattle.
But I have been wrong before.
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They're "Seattle Nice" in Zimbabwe.
It’s trippy.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Nov 10, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His catch against the Twins was one of the 3 best plays I've ever seen.
Tools Whore
by Tyler on Nov 10, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You shouldn't go to Halos Heaven.
For any reason. Literally, there’s no good reason to go there, much less comment.
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
Don’t give them the site hits worrying about what retarded thing they’re saying/doing this time. It’s always going to be retarded, there is no need to look.
by OlSalty on Nov 10, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You could shorten that to +1 for efficiency's sake.
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What if you really wanted to emphasize your agreement with somebody?
by Robert on Nov 10, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I might suggest tracking the user down via 'internet stalking' measures
and showing up unannounced at his or her door to notify the user of your agreement. After which, the two of you could enjoy a mutually enjoyable activity.
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see the problem with using "this" along as one
pairs the word with a substantive post of their own.
by redwolf75 on Nov 10, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how about awkwardly going from bold to regular mid-sentence?
Finally convinced my dad that Jeter is immensely hatable.
by westbrook on Nov 11, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Well, Rally posts there sometimes….
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Nov 11, 2009 12:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a good idea to comment on other people's blogs.
It makes them want to come here.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Nov 10, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Torii Hunter's glove wasn't good enough to catch Nick Adenhart before he hit that pole.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 10, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 17 recs
How did I miss this comment before?
Fantastic.
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Goose on Nov 10, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This post is just the latest in a string of depressing posts here at LL:
(In no particular order)
1. Elias doesn’t know what they’re doing
2. Stupid rumor-mongering begins
3. GG voters don’t know what they’re doing
4. The Daniel Craig look-alike scares me a little
5. No Felix progress
Boo, Offseason.
by Lanky on Nov 10, 2009 4:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
But our FO knows all of these are stupid!
by Robert on Nov 10, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's !summer in Seattle.
and my bulk cargo shipment of Vitamin D pills hasn’t arrived from CostCo yet, I have nothing to offer but depression.
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because the Mariners are never depressing during the season.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Nov 10, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since Gold Gloves are not only a joke but a predictable joke, which NL player will win a GG with the lowest UZR/150?
by abender20 on Nov 10, 2009 4:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
But I think Pablo Sandoval has a good shot at it.
by abender20 on Nov 10, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen people arguing for Braun
for his lack of errors.
[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]
by bluemax on Nov 11, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
David Wright!
First because he won it last year, and inertia’s the only thing that can explain Torii Hunter’s dominance (same thing with Griffey a decade ago). I think a lot of voters, perhaps those who don’t feel that the award should be based on a single season of data, just submit the same damn ballot year after year. I would love to see the number of votes that went to players who play in another league.
Second, because he bonked his head.
by marc w on Nov 10, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I considered Wright and then realized that the same people that vote for GGs will be deterred by his offensive performance.
by abender20 on Nov 10, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because Jeter won for his defense?
Or Tex? Or Mauer?
I think Rob Neyer once wrote something along the lines of “Gold Glove winners are those good hitters who play decent defense.”
by CMC_Stags on Nov 10, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
David Wright, definitely.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Nov 10, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols made it into positive numbers right?...
Since I think Zimmerman will beat Wright I have to go with Tulowitski
by Poochie on Nov 10, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yawn
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Goose on Nov 10, 2009 5:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The only one that really pisses me off is Hunter
I hate him
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
by gregrabble on Nov 10, 2009 5:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He's rapidly becoming the new Kenny Lofton, isn't he?
… at least, to Mariners fans
Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Nov 10, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently, UZR was flashed on screen during Sportscenter.
by Matthew on Nov 10, 2009 11:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sabremetrics are so 5 minutes ago.
I’m already looking for the next big thing.
by Kermit. on Nov 11, 2009 8:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank god for this
Now my dog can read a book and stay warm on the couch.
by Lanky on Nov 11, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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