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11/1: Open World Series Game 4 Thread


CC Sabathia

#52 / Pitcher / New York Yankees

6-7

290

L

L

Jul 21, 1980



Joe Blanton

#56 / Pitcher / Philadelphia Phillies

6-3

255

R

R

Dec 11, 1980


This is the first time I've been able to post Blanton's photo this year and I dare say I'm glad I got the opportunity.

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Has never pitched on 3 days rest in his career.

Tough time to begin experiments. And teams have come back from 3-1 deficits before. I’d rather have him pitching the next game.

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Nov 1, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pitchers generally show a very slight dropoff pitching on 3 days rest.

And 95% of Cliff Lee is better than 100% of Joe Blanton.

by lailaihei on Nov 1, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cliff Lee is not in a "general" category. He's like a champion racehorse.

So I would not extrapolate “average” statistics to him. I would believe his manager knows him better than you or me. The guy who led his team to the championship last year, and is in a competitive series this year.

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Nov 1, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to believe you are not an MLB manager.

But you are not.

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Nov 1, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Neither are you.

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Nov 1, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's stupid because you say it is?

Nice argument.

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Nov 1, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The numbers say that pitchers are only very slightly worse pitching on 3 days rest rather than 4.

There is no reason to believe that Cliff Lee is any different that isn’t speculation.

by lailaihei on Nov 1, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure there is.

He just went 9 innings his last start. He’s never (and that is a long time) done it before. Strategically, perhaps you don’t want to experiment against CC in a WS game when you have little backing up Lee if the gamble (and it is a gamble) backfires.

Plenty of reasons. Give it up. You say one thing, the manager says another. You lose.

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Nov 1, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's not pitching.

The manager has a WS ring. You have none. I’ll take Manuel’s decision based upon his experience and knowledge of his pitcher.

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Nov 1, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a really stupid argument.

Joe Girardi has 3 world series rings and he’s done stupid things throughout the playoffs.

by lailaihei on Nov 1, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And it's stupid to think you know more than Lee's manager

because you can quote general statistics. You can’t gereralize everything back to the Law of Large Numbers.

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Nov 1, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

With the amount of stupid decisions managers make...

I give almost no weight to their speculation about how a pitcher will pitch in a situation that the pitcher has never been in before.
What could Manuel possibly know about Lee that makes him think that he is vastly different than general pitchers?

by lailaihei on Nov 1, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, he lives with the guy.

He talks with the guy. He watches every pitch, not just the box score. He talks with the pitching coach and catchers.

What do you got?

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Nov 1, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

All I got...

Is this.
If you asked Manuel, do you think he’d have any good reason that isn’t pure speculation that Cliff Lee has something about him that makes him very, very different than the average pitcher when it comes to pitching on short rest?

by lailaihei on Nov 1, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure al statistics are used in evaluating decisions.

As well as “intangibles”, as the “average” pitcher is not Cliff Lee.

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Nov 1, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But there is no evidence to support that Lee is different.

And I can’t believe you at all if you are going to claim that managers have some inherent ability to guess whether or not any certain pitcher can or cannot pitch well on short rest compared to average.

What could Manuel POSSIBLY know about Lee that would make him think that he’s different?

by lailaihei on Nov 1, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We can spin this until dawn.

Blanton is matching CC. Lee is the powder that is being kept dry – the matchup between CC and Lee, one might argue, favors CC (based upon how lousy the Phils hit against him).

So argue theory all you want – so far, the practice seems to be working out.

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Nov 1, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Now you're bringing up a possible argument...

based on how the Phillies hit against Blanton in game one? That’s just idiotic.

by lailaihei on Nov 1, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not as a manager.

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Nov 1, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It could be a strategic move, anyway the Phillies work this they have to win 3 games.

Perhaps they like the idea of rolling the dice on Blanton against C.C. here, and having a fresher Lee available for game 7.

by Kermit. on Nov 1, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Blanton looks like he is surprised that he smells.

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by Fin on Nov 1, 2009 4:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I guess that this meme is dead.

2009 Safeco Field Record: 6-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 10-4

by Fin on Nov 1, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow Blanton blows.

Looks like I can go back to studying early tonight.

by lailaihei on Nov 1, 2009 5:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hahahahaha the Yankees get a warning

I hope it takes the inside part of the plate away from Sabathia.

by Kermit. on Nov 1, 2009 5:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Didn't know you could get an error

for throwing it perfectly to home plate. Late, but whatever.

by Paytheline on Nov 1, 2009 5:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Blanton is holding his own so far.

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by 44FAN on Nov 1, 2009 6:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It seems like Sabathia

has had his photo posted this year at least as much as even some M’s pitchers.

by stupidquestions on Nov 1, 2009 6:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

"Utley, Howard and Ibanez have been dominated"

by the Yankee LH pitching this Series (McCarver). I must have been hallucinating Utley’s 2 HRs off CC in game 1.

by stupidquestions on Nov 1, 2009 7:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Every time O'Brien and Sutcliffe say something stupid that annoys me

I just think of FOX and suddenly things don’t seem so bad.

Fuck Anaheim.

by Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth on Nov 1, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

THROW A FUCKING PITCH!

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Nov 1, 2009 7:12 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

That would be fun to see

How about a bet that Joe Morgan is the kind of guy that likes to say “hitters are paid to hit, not walk”?

by Kermit. on Nov 1, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He took a mild swipe at Swisher for his walk that led to a run scored.

I can barely follow his fucking chain of logic half the time. This my greatest single sitting exposure to Morgan and it’s annoying as hell.

by Kermit. on Nov 1, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't heard him once this year

it’s been wonderful.

Unfortunately that means haven’t heard Jon Miller either but that’s a price I don’t mind paying.

Fuck Anaheim.

by Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth on Nov 1, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't get

where his beliefs even come from. They clearly don’t come from his own career. It’s just mystifying.

by stupidquestions on Nov 1, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't seem to recally seeing those stupid towels in New York.

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Nov 1, 2009 7:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

recally?

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Nov 1, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahah that's almost "rectally"

My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!

by gregrabble on Nov 1, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That was pretty sad Raul.

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Nov 1, 2009 7:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Quick!

Be patriotic!

Fuck Anaheim.

by Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth on Nov 1, 2009 7:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

i think the FOX word for the day

Is “quick pitch”

I haven’t watched a ame on fox all year (no TV is a bi reason) but McCarver is every bit as bad as you guys have said.

Thanks LL for raising my knowlede level. I think I will turn off the sound now.

PS…commercials these days take absolutely no thought. Just recycle the movies / songs from 20 years ago, rinse, repeat.
And I wonder sometimes why I work for a living.

by sliderinside on Nov 1, 2009 7:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

McCarver keeps saying the hitter "spoiled the pitch" when they foul a ball off.

This is an odd thing to say and kind of annoying.

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by 44FAN on Nov 1, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't all announcers say that occasionally?

I agree though, it’s always struck me as a bit odd.

Fuck Anaheim.

by Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth on Nov 1, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Utley!

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Nov 1, 2009 7:52 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

utley cant hit left handed pitching

I think the phrase McCarver just used was “the slider is eating the alive”

by sliderinside on Nov 1, 2009 7:53 PM PST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Mac is proud!

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Nov 1, 2009 7:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The world needs more homerun hitters like Chase Utley.

The power of the grease.

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by 44FAN on Nov 1, 2009 7:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Howard isn't having a good WS.

Which can only mean he sucks.

Mike Scioscia is fat.

by Big Jared on Nov 1, 2009 8:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Those lucky Yankees..

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by 44FAN on Nov 1, 2009 8:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Extra innings if the Phillies get on their horse.

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by 44FAN on Nov 1, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i am not usually so critical

But Joba just looks like a complete douche.

by sliderinside on Nov 1, 2009 8:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Who was it that hit a homer off of him

then looked straight at him and pumped his fist on his way around the bases?

I’m pretty sure it was an Oriole, whoever it was they’re my hero.

Fuck Anaheim.

by Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth on Nov 1, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

TIE GAME!

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Nov 1, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

WOOO

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by gregrabble on Nov 1, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHAHAHAHA YES

http://sodomojo.com/

by Taylor H on Nov 1, 2009 8:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Power Pedro!

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by 44FAN on Nov 1, 2009 8:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Oh shit it's Brad Lidge.

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Nov 1, 2009 8:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Haha Jetes!

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Nov 1, 2009 8:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Or not.

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Nov 1, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have a bad feeling about this at bat,

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Nov 1, 2009 8:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

WHAT IN THE SHIT?

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Nov 1, 2009 8:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm my feelings are conflicted here...

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Nov 1, 2009 8:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Toss Lidge. Ha, ha.

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by 44FAN on Nov 1, 2009 8:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

WOOOOONOOOOOOO!

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Nov 1, 2009 8:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Oh Lidgey

Mike Scioscia is fat.

by Big Jared on Nov 1, 2009 8:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

So much for Game 4.

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by 44FAN on Nov 1, 2009 8:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

This sucks.

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Nov 1, 2009 8:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

So the Phillies are boned.

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Nov 1, 2009 8:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Rivera = Cyborg

Mike Scioscia is fat.

by Big Jared on Nov 1, 2009 8:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

But a cyborg can only be defeated by another cyborg.

Which reveals nothing we didn’t already know about Ichiro.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Nov 1, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Disappointing

Mike Scioscia is fat.

by Big Jared on Nov 1, 2009 9:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Reminds me of this guy:

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Nov 1, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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