11/1: Open World Series Game 4 Thread
by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 1, 2009 4:31 PM PST
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This is the first time I've been able to post Blanton's photo this year and I dare say I'm glad I got the opportunity.
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So the Phillies are basically giving away this World Series by not having Cliff Lee pitch today, eh?
Has never pitched on 3 days rest in his career.
Tough time to begin experiments. And teams have come back from 3-1 deficits before. I’d rather have him pitching the next game.
CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan
Pitchers generally show a very slight dropoff pitching on 3 days rest.
And 95% of Cliff Lee is better than 100% of Joe Blanton.
Cliff Lee is not in a "general" category. He's like a champion racehorse.
So I would not extrapolate “average” statistics to him. I would believe his manager knows him better than you or me. The guy who led his team to the championship last year, and is in a competitive series this year.
CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan
I do not think that the manager or anyone can possibly know anything that would make them think that
Cliff Lee will suck or fall apart by resting one less day before pitching again.
If that were the case I believe he'd be pitching, no?
CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan
Hard to believe you are not an MLB manager.
But you are not.
CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan
It's stupid because you say it is?
Nice argument.
CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan
The numbers say that pitchers are only very slightly worse pitching on 3 days rest rather than 4.
There is no reason to believe that Cliff Lee is any different that isn’t speculation.
Sure there is.
He just went 9 innings his last start. He’s never (and that is a long time) done it before. Strategically, perhaps you don’t want to experiment against CC in a WS game when you have little backing up Lee if the gamble (and it is a gamble) backfires.
Plenty of reasons. Give it up. You say one thing, the manager says another. You lose.
CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan
He's not pitching.
The manager has a WS ring. You have none. I’ll take Manuel’s decision based upon his experience and knowledge of his pitcher.
CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan
This is a really stupid argument.
Joe Girardi has 3 world series rings and he’s done stupid things throughout the playoffs.
And it's stupid to think you know more than Lee's manager
because you can quote general statistics. You can’t gereralize everything back to the Law of Large Numbers.
CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan
With the amount of stupid decisions managers make...
I give almost no weight to their speculation about how a pitcher will pitch in a situation that the pitcher has never been in before.
What could Manuel possibly know about Lee that makes him think that he is vastly different than general pitchers?
Well, he lives with the guy.
He talks with the guy. He watches every pitch, not just the box score. He talks with the pitching coach and catchers.
What do you got?
CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan
All I got...
Is this.
If you asked Manuel, do you think he’d have any good reason that isn’t pure speculation that Cliff Lee has something about him that makes him very, very different than the average pitcher when it comes to pitching on short rest?
I'm sure al statistics are used in evaluating decisions.
As well as “intangibles”, as the “average” pitcher is not Cliff Lee.
CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan
But there is no evidence to support that Lee is different.
And I can’t believe you at all if you are going to claim that managers have some inherent ability to guess whether or not any certain pitcher can or cannot pitch well on short rest compared to average.
What could Manuel POSSIBLY know about Lee that would make him think that he’s different?
We can spin this until dawn.
Blanton is matching CC. Lee is the powder that is being kept dry – the matchup between CC and Lee, one might argue, favors CC (based upon how lousy the Phils hit against him).
So argue theory all you want – so far, the practice seems to be working out.
CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan
Now you're bringing up a possible argument...
based on how the Phillies hit against Blanton in game one? That’s just idiotic.
It could be a strategic move, anyway the Phillies work this they have to win 3 games.
Perhaps they like the idea of rolling the dice on Blanton against C.C. here, and having a fresher Lee available for game 7.
Blanton looks like he is surprised that he smells.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 6-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 10-4
I guess that this meme is dead.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 6-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 10-4
by Fin on Nov 1, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
So
Pearl Jam is giving a shout out to Raul at their show in Philly last night.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 6-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 10-4
I'd like to take this opportunity to nominate CC's headshot for headshot of the year.
The donut comment the first time we saw it was dead on.
I'll just go ahead and leave this here
Mike Scioscia is fat.
by Big Jared on Nov 1, 2009 5:27 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Hahahahaha the Yankees get a warning
I hope it takes the inside part of the plate away from Sabathia.
Didn't know you could get an error
for throwing it perfectly to home plate. Late, but whatever.
It seems like Sabathia
has had his photo posted this year at least as much as even some M’s pitchers.
jorge Posada did'nt exactly seem to have control of the ball in my view.
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
"Utley, Howard and Ibanez have been dominated"
by the Yankee LH pitching this Series (McCarver). I must have been hallucinating Utley’s 2 HRs off CC in game 1.
Every time O'Brien and Sutcliffe say something stupid that annoys me
I just think of FOX and suddenly things don’t seem so bad.
Fuck Anaheim.
THROW A FUCKING PITCH!
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Goose on Nov 1, 2009 7:12 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
odds on when Posada gets tossed?
by sliderinside on Nov 1, 2009 7:16 PM PST via mobile reply actions
That would be fun to see
How about a bet that Joe Morgan is the kind of guy that likes to say “hitters are paid to hit, not walk”?
If you buy the Baseball Projection historical WAR,
he was unbelievable.
by stupidquestions on Nov 1, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
He took a mild swipe at Swisher for his walk that led to a run scored.
I can barely follow his fucking chain of logic half the time. This my greatest single sitting exposure to Morgan and it’s annoying as hell.
I haven't heard him once this year
it’s been wonderful.
Unfortunately that means haven’t heard Jon Miller either but that’s a price I don’t mind paying.
Fuck Anaheim.
I just don't get
where his beliefs even come from. They clearly don’t come from his own career. It’s just mystifying.
by stupidquestions on Nov 1, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
I don't seem to recally seeing those stupid towels in New York.
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
i think the FOX word for the day
Is “quick pitch”
I haven’t watched a ame on fox all year (no TV is a bi reason) but McCarver is every bit as bad as you guys have said.
Thanks LL for raising my knowlede level. I think I will turn off the sound now.
PS…commercials these days take absolutely no thought. Just recycle the movies / songs from 20 years ago, rinse, repeat.
And I wonder sometimes why I work for a living.
by sliderinside on Nov 1, 2009 7:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions
McCarver keeps saying the hitter "spoiled the pitch" when they foul a ball off.
This is an odd thing to say and kind of annoying.
The 2009 Pregame Picks Winner and Iron Man of Halos Heaven.com
Don't all announcers say that occasionally?
I agree though, it’s always struck me as a bit odd.
Fuck Anaheim.
I can see it sometimes, like a full count or something and a hitter realizes at the last second that a breaking ball is going to be a strike
and he fouls it off.
I definitely felt I spoiled a pitcher’s pitch when I did that to people.
utley cant hit left handed pitching
I think the phrase McCarver just used was “the slider is eating the alive”
by sliderinside on Nov 1, 2009 7:53 PM PST via mobile reply actions
The world needs more homerun hitters like Chase Utley.
The power of the grease.
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I know, I was just trying to figure out why sometimes he looks awful, so I checked and bam, lower than average contact rates.
Probably the biggest difference between him and Pujols at the plate, honestly.
Extra innings if the Phillies get on their horse.
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i am not usually so critical
But Joba just looks like a complete douche.
by sliderinside on Nov 1, 2009 8:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Who was it that hit a homer off of him
then looked straight at him and pumped his fist on his way around the bases?
I’m pretty sure it was an Oriole, whoever it was they’re my hero.
Fuck Anaheim.
Huff gestured twice
once while rounding first and once while touching home. So awesome
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=4501049&c_id=mlb
That would require his getting a date first,
which doesn’t seem likely.
Danny Blanchflower Lives!
Werth K, Ibanez K, Feliz HR
I love baseball.
I would do unforgivable things to Pedro Feliz right now.
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by .Taylor on Nov 1, 2009 8:20 PM PST reply actions
Joba bent over like Ned Beatty
Squeal!
Mike Scioscia is fat.
by Big Jared on Nov 1, 2009 8:20 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
For years I thought that movie was just four dudes on a rafting trip.
by Kermit. on Nov 1, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!
Yes, we have a coupon.
by Crystal for DH on Nov 1, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
i was at Safeco for the Ichiro! walk off
But three runs seem like a little too much.
by sliderinside on Nov 1, 2009 8:42 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I don't think that gum is the correct pronunciation for how the father wants to pay that babysitter.
That's like dumping Megan Fox for Hillary Clinton.
http://sodomojo.com/
by .Taylor on Nov 1, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
I think you mean neutured.
http://sodomojo.com/
by .Taylor on Nov 1, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
But a cyborg can only be defeated by another cyborg.
Which reveals nothing we didn’t already know about Ichiro.
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It looks like a surprised frenchman.
Are you saying that he has to sleep with a french dude?
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