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Detroit Tigers at Minnesota Twins, Oct 6, 2009 2:07 PM PDT


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Detroit Tigers @ Minnesota Twins

10/06/09 2:07 PM PDT

Detroit Tigers Minnesota Twins
Curtis Granderson - CF Denard Span - CF
Placido Polanco - 2B Orlando Cabrera - SS
Magglio Ordonez - RF Joe Mauer - C
Miguel Cabrera - 1B Jason Kubel - RF
Carlos Guillen - DH Michael Cuddyer - 1B
Ryan Raburn - LF Delmon Young - LF
Brandon Inge - 3B Jose Morales - DH
Gerald Laird - C Matt Tolbert - 3B
Ramontiago - SS Nick Punto - 2B

Rick Porcello

#48 / Pitcher / Detroit Tigers

6-5

200

R

R

Dec 27, 1988

Scott Baker

#30 / Pitcher / Minnesota Twins

6-4

220

R

R

Sep 19, 1981

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Go Tigers!

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 6, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My rooting interest in this game is solely dependent on who has the lead at the time I check the score

I wish I could bring myself to care more, but I really can’t. I’m just happy there’s a game today.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 6, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Oct 6, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, Scotty.

For me he will always remind me of the day that Batgirl melded a day in Scott’s life with the Fox talking baseball, and came up with Nutty

by msb on Oct 6, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK here's my take on the whole ordeal

Ordinarily I like ta take dis here opportunities ta come ta da players’ defense. Fans tend ta hold players ta an impossible standard o’ behavior an’ hate ta find out dat dey gots da same flaws as everybody else, an’ dat ain’t da least bit fair. But in dis here case…in dis here case, Cabrera comes off seeming, at bomb, irresponsible, an’, at worst, indifferent. This one’sgoing ta haunt Cabrera fo’ uh long long tyme.

I’ll say dis here fo’ Miguel – I don’ th’o’t it’sdat he didn’t care. I don’ th’o’t dat’sit at all. People will take dis here as uh sign dat he’sall about himself an’ da money an’ couldn’t give two shits about going ta da playoffs, but dat allegation rests on knowing mo’ about his motivations than any fan ever could. Players do dis here kind o’ thin’ all da tyme. At da start o’ da year, at da end o’ da year, in da heat o’ uh race – players don’ gots da flu as often as TV would gots ya th’o’t dey do. I imagine it’sjust mo’ likely dat he didn’t th’o’t about it. Professional athletes iz uh different breed. They’ve been conditioned ta th’o’t they’re great ta da point where dey th’o’t dey can do anyfin’, an’ uh lot o’ superstars like Cabrera take dat ta da extreme. Had ya asked him in an impossible an’ hypothetical moment o’ sobriety Saturday morning whether he’d be fine in tyme fo’ da game, I’m sure he would’ve said jaa. He’sMiguel Cabrera. One night o’ drinking wiff buddies at da end o’ uh long season couldn’t be o’ any harm.

And maybe it wasn’t. There’snahh way o’ knowing whether Cabrera’sbeing fucked-up on Saturday morning played any part in his going hitless Saturday night. It’snot hard ta imagine dat it did, but then it’snot hard ta imagine dat it didn’t, either. I’ve woken up hungover from uh couple drinks, an’ I’ve woken up not hungover from uh dozen drinks; I’ve struggled wiff uh clear mind, an’ I’ve done amazing sheeit wiff uh headache. Miguel Cabrera’sFriday an’ Saturday nights very well may gots been completely independent o’ one another.

But dat’snot how fans iz going ta see it, an’, ultimately, dis here iz prob’ly going ta deal uh severe an’ perhaps immutable blow ta his image. No one’sgoing ta care dat he may gots landed uh hand on his wife. History has shown dat fans tend ta be fine ass forgiving o’ players who do bad things in they personal lives. For Cabrera, though, ta put himself in uh shit dat could be interpreted as showing disinterest in da success o’ his team – ta uh fan, dere iz nahh greater insult. Ask Manny Ramirez or Erik Bedard how well peeps respond when dey th’o’t ya don’ care.

After Friday’sgame, Miguel Cabrera did uh mad stupid thin’. He did uh few mad stupid things, really. That, by itself, don’ make him different from uh lot o’ other players in da league, but what makes dis here shit exceptional iz dat he’suh high-profile player, an’ dat he got caught. And now he gets ta deal wiff da fallout fo’ far, far longer than he ever would’ve imagined. This little episode won’t soon be forgotten. Even if Cabrera ends up hitting da winner homer on Tuesday, peeps iz still going ta bring dis here up every tyme he strikes out in uh big at bat or otherwise seems lackadaisical. And should Cabrera jet hitless or da Tigers lose – dere iz uh lot o’ peeps ta blame fo’ da Tigers’ collapse, but Cabrera’sin position now ta be hearing about uh careless night o’ drinking fo’ da rest o’ his career.

I’m sure dis here iz exactly what brothas in da organization wants ta be jivin’ about uh day ‘bfoe da biggest game o’ da season. an dat boil on mah ass.

by Robert on Oct 6, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

the fuck?

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 6, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we just got raped....

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Oct 6, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

What?

Fuck the Angels!

by JMKaustin on Oct 6, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was tempted to rec this comment for the irony of it

but then I realized that would be less “ironic” than “stupid”.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 6, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah let's sit our best hitter in a one game playoff!

wait a minute….

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Oct 6, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WIN ONE FOR THE METRODOME

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 6, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish it were going away entirely

but only because I would love to see them hold a contest to be the lucky fan that gets to DEFLATE THE DOME!

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 6, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish it went away last year

so I could be rooting for a Colorado-Minnesota World Series this year, to be played in November! Outdoors!

by Matthew on Oct 6, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that would be the most awesome thing ever

I guess that means go Detroit?

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 6, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YEAH FUCK THEM

this is easy!

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 6, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quite the opposite.

It is deadly serious.

by Matthew on Oct 6, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm listening to the Dirtbombs as we speak so GO DETROIT

if the Replacements come on my iPod later I will change my mind.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 6, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

This summer,

Michael Bay directs

…. THE KINGDOME

by Matthew on Oct 6, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who is on the tv side?

Dan Shulman and Dave Campbell on the radio

by msb on Oct 6, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm gonna root for Detroit

We screwed them in the Washburn trade, might as well at least hope they still make the playoffs.

by ARock on Oct 6, 2009 2:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

they did last year...

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 6, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nevermind, its Comcast.

Forgot we switched two months ago.

by Matthew on Oct 6, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

...

hmmm. Could work.

by Matthew on Oct 6, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

usually he like to impress people with how smart he is too

by Poochie on Oct 6, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have TBS HD on DirecTV

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by bluemax on Oct 6, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will my verification do?

It was frightening. He looked like a giant gay cupcake.

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Oct 6, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm.

Cupcakes.

by msb on Oct 6, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cupcakes are rapidly going to become so trendy as to be annoying if they haven't already

In the last six months there have been three cupcake places open in Portland. This trend needs to stop.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 6, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We don't really even need one.

Bakeries sell cupcakes.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 6, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lavender!

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Oct 6, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey!

I rather enjoy a nice cupcake.
They’re just a nice little cake-y thing, without having to buy a whole cake.

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Oct 6, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are four cupcake shops within walking distance of my apartment.

There are at least four others within the Seattle city limits.

by acblue on Oct 6, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I only have one within walking distance of my house.

But it’s nice to know it’s there…

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Oct 6, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love cupcakes.

I do not love the fetishizing of something like a cupcake to the extent that there need to be three stores that sell them and only them in a two mile radius from my work.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 6, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All you're doing is making me want cupcakes.

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Oct 6, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So go get a cupcake.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 6, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to study

I know that doesn’t explain what I’m doing here….

"Let this big fucker come in and walk the world here." - Dave Niehaus on JJ Putz

by section331 on Oct 6, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

GO TWINS

My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!

by gregrabble on Oct 6, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Is anyone else watching this on mlb.tv and having to struggle with the gay multi-camera set up?

Basically it is one camera angle of behind home plate and nothing else which is fixed on the pitcher and not showing where the ball goes. Great!

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Oct 6, 2009 2:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Can I change this?

NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!

by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 6, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

After looking at the support forums it looks like the answer is NO.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Oct 6, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

fuck

NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!

by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 6, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FIX:

1. Open up any regular season game in archive mode.
2. When the player opened click on Today´s games. Choose the Twins and Tigers game and here you go

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Oct 6, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No the postseason player is free (which is why it sucks)

The mlbtv player is pay and should give you the normal broadcast

by Poochie on Oct 6, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It shouldn't even be working for me, postseason.tv was promoted as a US only product.

The only problem is I just want to watch the regular feed not these gay cameras.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Oct 6, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fix for the postseason.tv camera angle bug:

1. Open up any regular season game in archive mode.
2. When the player opened click on Today´s games. Choose the Twins and Tigers game and here you go

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Oct 6, 2009 2:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I wish Badfinger were from either Detroit or Minneapolis

because Baby Blue is an awesome song and liking it should tell me who to root for in this game.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 6, 2009 2:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

For all international mlb.tv users

open an archived game and click on todays games and you will be able to whatch the TBS feed over mlb.tv

by Schuxu on Oct 6, 2009 2:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

uh oh

My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!

by gregrabble on Oct 6, 2009 2:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

USA! USA! USA!

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 6, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just think it's a retarded thing to say.

I’m sure there is at least one alcoholic wife beater that plays for the Twins.

by acblue on Oct 6, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nick Punto!

Can’t hit anything else!

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Oct 6, 2009 2:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I would suggest meth

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 6, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You could always embelish the story

and then go on the Opera book club, oh wait that really happened.

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by bluemax on Oct 6, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!

by gregrabble on Oct 6, 2009 3:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

according to the ESPN front page this game is a "hair raising thriller"

I’m only following it on Gameday but I would probably dispute that description.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 6, 2009 3:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Porcello's K/9 this season: 4.42

His K/9 today: 14.

Hurm.

Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?

by Benne on Oct 6, 2009 3:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Struck out 11.6% of batters faced this year

Odds of an 11.6% true talent striking out 6+ of 16 guys: 0.7%

Huh

by Jeff on Oct 6, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Justin Morneau should be named AL MVP

since the Twins are losing this game (and therefore not going to the playoffs) without him. This proves how good he is.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Oct 6, 2009 3:37 PM PDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I haven't read the above 500+ comments

But has anyone likened this to the NCAA play-in game? I mean, the one seed is just going to pummel whoever wins. They should have just arbitrarily picked a winner so that we could get the playoffs on with!

The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!

by JamMasterJesus on Oct 6, 2009 3:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A surprisingly small percentage

of the above 500+ comments are actually relating to this game or the playing of it or of its ramifications.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 6, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the rumor anyway

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 6, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They should dump Foreman

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by bluemax on Oct 6, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say House jumped the shark last night

except that would be a pointless discussion

by Poochie on Oct 6, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup. That was ridiculous.

I would have preferred a whole season of House in the asylum. Change the structure, change the interactions, change the format, and have something original.

by abender20 on Oct 6, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was hoping they'd at least keep him there

past the first week. Instead we got some sort of weird House movie with none of the actual cast members.

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by bluemax on Oct 6, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Rockies are less than 40% against the Phillies.

The Tigers/Twins are worse than the Rockies and the Yankees are better than the Phillies.

by lailaihei on Oct 6, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not true. Line movement these days is almost independent of bettors.

There are some cases where books will be slightly off optimal because there is a huge public favorite, but you’re not going to find more accurate odds than the consensus vegas lines.

by lailaihei on Oct 6, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you a man or women?

Serious question.

NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!

by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 6, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

*woman

NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!

by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 6, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's ridiculous that anyone can think they know more than the vegas odds.

There are a few people that win in the long-run, but they are few and far between and lines are NEVER off by that much.

I’m not saying that I know more than Poochie, just that the oddsmakers do.

by lailaihei on Oct 6, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

MLB win totals futures are COMPLETLEY different than individual games.

They don’t have to be as accurate because they get to hold onto your money for more than half of a year and they have lots of juice on it. There is also much much less money going into it than going into individual games. They’re not comparable at all.

by lailaihei on Oct 6, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, think of it this way.

99.9% of the money coming in for books on baseball is single-game moneyline bets. Some books even have 5 cent lines (they only take 5 cents per $2 wagered) because they have single-game outcomes down to a science.
Pre-season win totals have usually 20 or 30 cent lines, meaning they don’t have to be nearly as accurate. The money is also held onto for 6 months, and I’m sure you can understand why that is advantageous.

by lailaihei on Oct 6, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Vegas wasn't sure to make money

out of something they offer, they wouldn’t offer it.

by Schuxu on Oct 6, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And they're making money on 5 cent lines.

Which means they are extremely accurate in their predictions.

by lailaihei on Oct 6, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or they're extremely good odds setters who make their money by

getting as close to 50% action on each side as possible and offering not quite break even payouts.

by Matthew on Oct 6, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they set a shitty line?

Or more incentive payout to the Twins. Or people felt good because of the Vikings game and so they pumped the Twins late before the lines could move.

I cannot believe that you would think it impossible that oddsmakers don’t get a 50/50 split each and every time.

by Matthew on Oct 6, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is just one example.

But they don’t try to get a 50/50 split. If they did, there wouldn’t be reverse line movement (ie: 60% of the money is on ND -6.5 and the line moves to ND -5.5)

by lailaihei on Oct 6, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To a point.

And for accuracy’s sake, it’s in Vegas’ risk-avoidance interest to have even $ money on each side, not even % of bettors. The latter, as you have been quoting, doesn’t matter.

by Matthew on Oct 6, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.

But it also depends on the volume of money a certain event will receive. With so many baseball games each day and throughout the season, I would think there is more to gain by trying to get the most accurate line rather than to try to get an even % of money on both sides.

by lailaihei on Oct 6, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And there's more to risk too.

Does Vegas take gambles? Yes. But far and away their goal is to split the money so as to avoid any risk.

by Matthew on Oct 6, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs