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A Thought On The Front Office

Coming off a 101-loss season a year ago, a lot of fans wanted to blow things up and start over. Horrible teams are always met with calls to tear down and rebuild in the winter, and a good number of people wanted to trade all the veterans for prospects so that the Mariners might find themselves in decent position come 2013 or so.

The front office, however, chose a different path, coming out and saying from the start that the plan was to both reload and compete, that it would be possible to do both at the same time. Bringing in parts that could help in the future is fun, but so is winning, so why not do the former while still attempting the latter?

Many were excited, many were skeptical, and many were both. So now that we've reached the end of the regular season, how did the Mariners do?

Well, for one thing, the Mariners won 85 games, a 24-game improvement over 2008. According to CoolStandings, their odds of making the playoffs didn't drop below 5% until July 25th, and they remained within striking distance of the Wild Card into August. We weren't playing meaningful baseball in September, but this was a winning ballclub that for a few months allowed us to dream.

At the same time, the following is a list of players the FO brought in that are under contract/team control through 2011 or later:

There were a couple of things the front office didn't do that, had they struck at the right time, might have netted us some additional young talent. They didn't trade Adrian Beltre. They didn't trade Erik Bedard. Neither player had a whole lot of value, but moving them might have been able to land an additional one or two B-level prospects. Still, though, look at that list. There are a few studs. There are a few role players. There are a few pitching prospects that could take big steps forward. And, of course, there's a whole draft, headlined by the best hitter available. For a front office that inherited a lousy team with limited payroll flexibility, that's a hell of a first season. Look at where we were a year ago, and look at where we are now. It's night and day.

Coming into 2009, Jack Zduriencik's front office wanted to get the Mariners into a better long-term position while still having them play good baseball and winning in the present.

I think they pulled it off.

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GMZ and his pals are rather awesome, I must admit

it’s really strange to root for a team that is both well-run and successful. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop when they reveal Jack Z is actually the Zodiac or something

by seattlebruin on Oct 6, 2009 11:07 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

And we get Beltre draft picks next year

To go with our eighteenth overall pick.

(trying to resign myself to it)

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Oct 6, 2009 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Speaking of our eighteenth selection in the draft

are there any Type-A free agents out there who might look good enough to risk giving away that pick for?

by seattlebruin on Oct 6, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Matt Holliday maybe?

Other than him, the free agent crop is pretty weak this year. I think somebody has been watering baseball with Brawndo.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Oct 6, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure Holliday's a nice upgrade

But it seems like a poor distribution of assets to me to bring in another OF of that caliber. That is, unless GMZ can do a little more wheeling and dealing this Winter

by CKel on Oct 6, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope you mean at the price he'll command

because not wanting Matt Holliday is crazy

by Poochie on Oct 6, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I mean given the choice of Matt Holliday in the OF

Or an equally talented player at a position of greater need, I go with the latter. Not to say there IS such a player out there, I’m just dealing with hypotheticals right now

by CKel on Oct 6, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

ZTrue, but Holliday is a six win player

There probably isn’t another player like that out there. If you’re going to spend free agent $$$, you might as well spend it on one truly great player as opposed to three or four mediocre ones.

However, he’s going to be 30 and I’d have a tough time giving him more than four years.

by Poochie on Oct 6, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even then

Three or four mediocre players could still provide us with upgrades with some of the holes we have

by CKel on Oct 6, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Buying mediocre players in free agency is what got us into trouble in the first place.

We can find average players through trades and the farm system. Free agency should be a place to acquire stars.

by Teej on Oct 6, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Draft pick singular, right?

From what I’ve seen of the reverse-engineering of the Elias rankings, he’s likely to be a Type B.

by Teej on Oct 6, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're right.

Well, he’ll always be Type-A in our hearts. Which doesn’t actually mean anything.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Oct 6, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Then we'd have to offer arb

And I’d think there’s a pretty good chance he accepts it, because it’s a better deal than he’d get as a free agent.

by arbeck77 on Oct 6, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe or maybe not

We have $25 million to spend. We need to add at least 15 wins to this roster to compete next year. If Beltre gets 8 million or more in arbitration, we now have only $17 million to play with. You might find it easier to improve second base or short stop with that money and have Tui or Lopez or Hall/Hanahan play third.

by arbeck77 on Oct 6, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even more impressive than the influx of talent

What have we given up for it? Valbuena could turn into something nice, same for Lorin and Pribanic, but outside of that?

Clement, Yuni, Morse, Washburn, Putz, Sean Green, Fabian Williamson, Wlad?

by CKel on Oct 6, 2009 11:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, it sure would have been nice to been able to get some value for Bedard and Beltre.

But does the FO risk offering arbitration to Beltre? And what about Jack Wilson’s option? I can’t imagine that getting picked up. Realistically, we have question marks going forward at 1B, SS, 3B, LF and DH. With so many positions up in the air this is going to be an interesting off season.

by Yoyogster on Oct 6, 2009 11:52 AM PDT reply actions  

I was assuming they'd offer Beltre arbitration,

But Dave says that, given the assumed payroll limitations, they might not bring him back even at a discount.

It’s weird to look at this team without Beltre, Bedard, Washburn and Batista and realize that it’s still a $70 million payroll before heading into the winter.

by Teej on Oct 6, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh boy!

I’ve always wanted to talk to Jack Hannahan! He looks so cuddly!

by Graham MacAree on Oct 6, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm going to ask him if he thinks the team's lack of sexual attraction to Jack Wilson

will influence his return or not. The homoeroticism was not going his way and that is why he was underwhelming, in my opinion.

by Yoyogster on Oct 6, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Beltre

The mariners aren’t going to find a better 3rd baseman. Keep Adrian at least one more year. Get rid of Bedard!!!! And for Gods sake do whatever to keep Felix. One more year playing together and the Mariners just might make it to the play-offs. What’s up with Chavez, does anyone know?

by cju on Oct 8, 2009 5:13 AM PDT reply actions  

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