Assorted Thoughts On Game One
And we're back to the bullet points. It's like the season never ended. In the interest of full disclosure, I didn't watch the whole game.
- If the Yankees were considered 60-65% favorites to win the Series this morning - which is where pretty much everyone of any significance had them - then they're down to something in the neighborhood of ~45% after dropping game 1. One the one hand, that's a huge drop, not unlike the drop in productivity a hitter will see if he takes a first-pitch strike. On the other, what that means is that even spotting the Phillies a one-game handicap makes this little more than a flip of the coin. The Yankees are uncomfortably good.
- One of the topics of conversation coming into the game was that CC Sabathia was working off 7 days' rest while Cliff Lee was working off 9, and that being away from the mound for that long could have a negative effect on their respective performances. A glance at their career splits shows that this isn't necessarily a silly suggestion. Sabathia responded by being good. Lee responded by being terrific. If we assume that guys remain on a throwing schedule, I can't really think of a good reason why extra rest would be a bad thing in the playoffs. Short rest, yeah, that has some obvious issues. But long rest? I'm not sold on there being such a thing as "too fresh."
- Sportswriters love a game like this. Maybe not the good sportswriters, but the average sportswriters...they don't even have to think. Two years ago Cliff Lee ran an ERA north of six and spent time in the minors. This summer he was traded midseason to the defending world champs without ever having thrown a game in the playoffs. He made his World Series debut in New York and shut down the best and most clobbery team in baseball. The stories write themselves. The story would've written itself had the opposite happened, too. Come to think of it, if you're lazy enough, your story could write itself no matter what took place on the field. Lee dominates? Coming-of-age tale for a guy who doesn't know what it means to quit. Lee falls apart? Phillies pay for gambling on guy with no experience. Yankees win a close one? Experience prevails. Phillies win a close one? Experience prevails. A feral cat sprints onto the field and bites Jayson Werth in the leg? Aura. Being an average sportswriter sounds like an easy job.
- 0-4 with three strikeouts for Alex Rodriguez. How people respond will tell you a lot about how they feel about him deep down. If they give him the benefit of the doubt after a white-hot first two rounds, they're happy to have him big a big part of the Yankee machine. If they get mad at him for having a bad game under the brightest lights, they never wanted to support him in the first place.
- The network and media love affair with Derek Jeter is annoying. This much is beyond well-established. But also annoying - and perhaps more annoying - is the horde of people that feel compelled to say something snarky every time Jeter comes up on the broadcast. We get it. His defense isn't very good. He doesn't always come through in the clutch. He's just generally overrated. You don't have to say "past a diving Jeter" at every possible opportunity. It's like Willie Ballgame grit & hustle jokes on a national scale. It sucks. It sucks. This material isn't fresh, and though FOX's Jeter Cam tonight may have been a little over the top, truth be told I'd rather watch Derek Jeter get into position than Joe Girardi make another trip to the pitching mound. At least the former presents an angle we don't get to see very often.
If nothing else, just say something different. I'm not saying people should stop ripping on the media for fawning over its favorite son. But if you're going to rip, rip well. If you want anyone to pay attention to you, you have - you have - to be original. - Chase Utley came into the game as far and away the best player in the world that nobody talks about. If people still don't know who he is tomorrow then we'll know there's something more sinister at play than simple oversight. Ryan Howard returns almost twice as many Google hits. Second base seems like a good position to play if you want to fly under the radar.
- Cliff Lee threw 122 pitches tonight, 16 of them in the ninth when the score was 6-0. He was excellent this year in starts after throwing 120+ pitches, but none of those came on short rest, the situation Lee would be facing should he go on to start game 4. It's worth noting that his velocity started slipping somewhere around pitch #80 or 85.
I don't know what this means. If Lee throws in game 4 and dominates, it won't be fair to say it didn't effect him. And if Lee throws in game 4 and sucks, it won't be fair to say it's Manuel's fault for working him too hard. It's just a bit of information. He threw a lot of pitches. He threw a lot of really good pitches, but he threw a lot of pitches. - In the bottom of the eighth, Robinson Cano hit a comebacker that Lee snagged behind his back without looking. It was an astonishing play, but it didn't look as hard as it was, so given two points - one being this play, and the other being the Jeter Flip - we can say that Recognition = Improbability * Flashiness.
- David Robertson has struck out 99 hitters in 74 Major League innings. After watching him for a little bit today, I don't understand how.
- Interesting bit from Tim Brown:
As wonderful as Lee was, as confident as he was, he started 16 of the first 27 Yankees with ball one. You know how many Yankees walked? None. How many struck out? Ten. - I can't think of a single reason why starting Pedro Martinez in game 2 would be a good idea.
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Can't think of a good reason for Pedro in Game 2?
Red Sox fans get doubly pissed about the Yanks win…
Your favorite meme is dead
by Edanger6 on Oct 29, 2009 12:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Besides... Yankees fans are just as big meme whores as any internet nerds.
They love their “Who’s Your Daddy” chant. It’s going to start in the first inning. It doesn’t matter what the outcome of the game is. They’re going to go home happy knowing they got to do the damn chant again.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 29, 2009 6:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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But also annoying – and perhaps more annoying – is the horde of people that feel compelled to say something snarky every time Jeter comes up on the broadcast.
Sorry boss!
by Poochie on Oct 29, 2009 12:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Another thing that bugs me is that I think people confuse the hating on the media
with hating Jeter. I don’t really see what you can hate about Derek Jeter. He’s a baseball player and is really good at it. He doesn’t go out and invite the attention that he gets. No, he doesn’t refuse it either, but nobody else does, so why should he?
It’s one thing to call Gary Matthews Jr “delusional” for his recent comments, or to think Raul Ibanez is nuts for being “proud” of his defense, but Jeter doesn’t say “I’m the greatest defender of all time!” or “Nobody ever pays attention to the great things I do, WORSHIP ME!”.
Some fans need to keep perspective on their hate crimes.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 29, 2009 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His being at SS while Alex Rodriguez is at 3B makes me not like him.
by acblue on Oct 29, 2009 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate him for the same reason.
He was recently named ‘Captain’ at the time of the trade, Alex was universally seen as the better SS defensively and the Yankees had a void in CF which Jeter could have filled very well and he didn’t offer to move.
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by Tyler on Oct 29, 2009 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeter in center field?
I can’t see that working very well.
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by Phildopip on Oct 29, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not now.
But he probably could have played a decent center at one point. He has the speed to run down flyballs and is certainly an intelligent enough short stop to run good routes.
Now, though, it’s probably the corner for him, outfield or infield.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 29, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 29, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His range at SS isn't very good, and even though CF is a couple of steps further down
the defensive spectrum, wouldn’t his defense still be a detriment to the team, even with moving A-Rod to SS?
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by Phildopip on Oct 29, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SS range is slightly different than CF range.
SS is much more about quick reactions while CF is more about reading trajectories and foot speed.
You could be bad at one and decent at the other.
by Matthew on Oct 29, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
B.J. Upton was an apallingly bad 2B and is a very good CFer.
by acblue on Oct 29, 2009 5:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
How much of that is his fault?
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 29, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, don't make me a Jeter apologist either. I just prefer rationality.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 29, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Don Zimmer will leap from the crowd and attack him!
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
by JAH on Oct 29, 2009 1:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I completely forgot about this game.
Hey neat the Phillies won.
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Goose on Oct 29, 2009 1:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Douchey nitpick
Three years ago Cliff Lee ran an ERA north of six and spent time in the minors.
It was two years ago.
by stupidquestions on Oct 29, 2009 1:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pedro Martinez used to be good
Because Pedro Martinez used to be good, he also used to be good in the playoffs.
Therefore, Pedro Martinez will always be good in the playoffs, even when he is dead. Because he is Pedro Martinez.
The logic is simple
by OlSalty on Oct 29, 2009 6:38 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Why start Pedro in game 2?
Comedy value!
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by pdb on Oct 29, 2009 6:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ok, wait, was there really a Jeter Cam last night?
I thought it was just a running joke about Fox’s usual broadcast style …
by msb on Oct 29, 2009 9:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There was indeed
They had a PIP of the pitcher/batter on one side and Jeter on the other. I had the sound down because I was doing other stuff, but it seemed like they were spending a lot of time showing Jeter doing nothing but kicking dirt around at SS. They must have been talking about something, though, because they were on him for a good minute or two.
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by pdb on Oct 29, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were I not wearing headphones and sorting recycling at the time
I would have turned on the sound to see what they were saying, stuff like that is interesting to me even if it’s Jeter.
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by pdb on Oct 29, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no what they were talking about was not the least bit interesting
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 29, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome!
I’m glad I was listening to music then.
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by pdb on Oct 29, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I noticed Fox did Jeter Cam was when there were
runners on 2B. The announcers were talking about what Jeter communicated to the pitcher regarding pick-offs, holding the runner close, etc.
by Jed MC on Oct 29, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To Jeter's credit, he was worth over 7 WAR this year.
And his UZR was 6.4.
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by Taylor H on Oct 29, 2009 9:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Obviously, this is no reason for the announcers to fawn over his grit, but just figured I'd put that out there.
Additionally, Fangraphs has A-Rod at a -7.4 UZR for this year at third, but it appears he played a mean shortstop while with the Rangers. Keeping Jeter at short instead of A-Rod was definitely the wrong move.
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by Taylor H on Oct 29, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Additionally, excluding 2007, he's been merely bad and not atrocious
And 2007 seems like a weird UZR blip year – that was also the random spike where Hanley Ramirez posted a -20 or so before immediately going back to average
by seattlebruin on Oct 29, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yuniesky Betancourt wasn't awful in 2007
He might actually have been bad enough in 08 and 09 that he pushes everyone else UZR’s up
by Graham on Oct 29, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
During the LAA/NYY series and especially the games in Anaheim
Jeter was always yelling out to the pitcher to watch the Angel runner on first or second base thinking he was going to run. It became extremely annoying and distracting to the point where the camera was always on Jeter in the field to see if he was going to yell warnings to the pitcher.
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