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Remembering A Forgotten Mariner

So I finally got around to taking that quiz that Addicted To Quack posted a little while ago, the one that asks you to name as many 1990-2009 Opening Day Seattle Mariners as you can in 15 minutes. Those of you who wish to take the quiz without spoilers should probably stop reading this post. Those of you who have already taken it or who don't wish to take it may continue.

The quiz itself was fun - I knew all that time playing World Series Baseball '94 would pay off eventually - but more fun than the quiz were the results. As of this writing, the quiz has been taken 906 times. 906 seems like a pretty good sample size. Out of those 906 participants, 898 remembered to include Ken Griffey Jr. 868 remembered to include Edgar Martinez. 857 remembered to include Ichiro (perhaps some people neglected to try "Suzuki"). 780 remembered to include Jay Buhner. Other notable bits:

  • More people remembered Buhner than Adrian Beltre
  • More people remembered Yuniesky Betancourt than Raul Ibanez
  • Nearly two-thirds of participants have already forgotten our 2009 Opening Day left fielder and DH
  • Omar Vizquel was remembered as often as Franklin Gutierrez
  • It's hard to say how many people actually remember Al Martin, since his name gets entered the first time you try to spell "Martinez"

And so on. There are a lot of names in there, and as such, there are a lot of numbers to look at. The thing that caught my eye more than anything else, though, was the name at the very bottom. The name at the bottom of the list represents the most forgotten Mariner in the quiz. And as it turns out, the most forgotten Mariner in the quiz - defeating the bad Brian Giles by a narrow margin - is 1993 left fielder Mike Felder. Felder's name was included on just 59 of 906 ballots, or 43 fewer than Wilson Valdez, a last-minute stopgap who played all of 42 games. Mike Felder, it seems, didn't leave much of a lasting impression.

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It's not that Mike Felder is the most disremembered Mariner of all time*. Not even close. Though showing up on 6.5% of all quiz entries isn't good, I have to imagine that far fewer than 6.5% of people can recall past pre-90s Mariners like Wayne Twitchell and Bud Bulling. But just the fact that Felder shows up at the bottom of a list like this is enough to count him among The Forgotten, and it's with that said that I'd like to take this opportunity to go over who Felder was and raise some awareness so that, when future generations of Mariner fans take this quiz, they might push his name up above that of a guy who came a decade too early to be a shitty impostor of somebody good.

* have you ever tried asking a group of fans "so which player in your team's history do you think is the most forgotten?" It's weird.

Michael Otis "Tiny" Felder was drafted out of Contra Costa Junior College by the Milwaukee Brewers in the third round of the 1981 January draft. Felder is listed at 5'8, 160, and given my memories of little doorways in old European castles and cathedrals and the fact that 1981 was a long time ago, I have to assume his nickname was ironic. Nevertheless, Felder was selected shortly after John Kruk and well before Oddibe McDowell, so as far as making it as a draft pick was concerned, he found himself in some talented company.

Unfortunately for Felder, it seems his particular selection that year was forgettable. So forgettable, apparently, that the draft link on his Baseball-Reference player page takes you to a list of names that doesn't have Mike or Felder anywhere on it. From the beginning, he was up against the odds. Felder would have to prove himself every step of the way if he wanted to get his big break.

Felder would get his break in 1985 after hitting .314 and running a ton with AAA Vancouver. He earned himself a late-season cup of coffee with the Brewers, and though poor performance got him demoted in early 1986, once you've had a taste of the Major Leagues, it's all you ever want. Felder worked hard to climb his way back, and sure enough, 1987 saw him make it as a regular in the outfield. He would appear in 108 games and make 328 trips to the plate, finishing second on the Brewers in both triples and stolen bases. Felder had carved himself a role.

A few years would pass. Felder appeared in 445 games with Milwaukee before asking for his release ("Sitting behind Robin Yount for five years in enough") and signing with the Giants as a free agent, where he would set consecutive career highs in games played. Granted free agency again in October 1992, Felder was a 31 year old speedy outfielder coming off a 107 OPS+ season, and after trading Kevin Mitchell to the Reds, the Mariners saw in Felder a guy who could fill a need. And so it was that Felder signed a two-year, $1.8m contract with Seattle. "Let me tell you, he's an exciting player," said new manager Lou Piniella. Woody Woodward sold the acquisition as helping usher in a new era of relevant and successful Mariner baseball.

Heading into the season, spirits were high. In Felder, the Mariners had a leadoff guy who could get on base and wreak a lot of havoc. It's too bad, then, that the biggest thing the Mariners were missing was a statistic that hadn't yet been invented.

Felder, Career: .279 BABIP
Felder, 1992: .301 BABIP

The Mariners saw a speed demon who just hit .286. Math saw a guy who overachieved by 20 or 25 points, and when you combine probable regression with a guy on the wrong side of 30, sometimes you'll get Raul Ibanez, but more times you'll get Mike Felder.

Felder started off 1993 reasonably well. And by "started off" I mean that very literally, because his batting average dropped below .280 after 25 at bats and never recovered. By late May he was down to the .240s, by late June he was losing playing time, and come mid-August he went on the DL with knee tendinitis, with age and bad turf having taken more than their toll on a player whose strength was his legs. Unable to run like the minor league stolen base champion of his youth, Felder had trouble beating out grounders and running down balls in the gap, with the ultimate result being a sorry .531 OPS that didn't show any improvement when he returned from the DL in September. Though the Mariners were feeling pretty good about having had just their second .500+ season in franchise history, they were feeling pretty bad about their busted investment.

It didn't take long, then, for Woodward to find Felder a new home in the offseason. Felder's all-around miserable 1993 campaign earned him a second sentence on astroturf, this time in Houston, where he was dealt in exchange for Eric Anthony. Woodward wanted to unload a bad contract and bring in a young outfield type with power, so he put together a package of Felder and 20 year old southpaw Mike Hampton. Hampton, of course, turned out to be pretty good. Anthony didn't. One bust begot another bust, and the curse of the Kingdome left field lived on.

Every aspect of the Mike Felder story is a disappointment. Advertised as a game-changer, he wasn't any good, as injuries and age killed not only his time in Seattle, but his career. And the trade that got rid of him only brought more agony, as Hampton flourished while Anthony stagnated. Had Felder panned out, the Mariners would've had both an impact outfielder and a young lefty starter to slot into the front of the rotation. Instead, they wound up with neither, and while it isn't all Felder's fault, that's certainly one interpretation.

And this is why I think it's a shame that, today, Felder is all but forgotten. Yes, he was bad. The Mariners have had a lot of bad, far too much to remember every name. But Felder wasn't bad like Scott Spiezio was bad, or like Carl Everett was bad; Felder was bad like Jeff Cirillo was bad, or like Ben Davis was bad. Tied inextricably to his name is a great deal of blown hope. You think about Felder and you think about Anthony, and Hampton, and all the other left fielders we tried, and how things could've been had one guy just worked out. These are the sorts of names we should remember. The purpose of history is to warn us about the future. And out of the Mike Felder experience we learn lessons we shouldn't soon forget.

Edgar Martinez is Mr. Mariner, but as long as we all identify with the Sexson logo at the top of this page, then Mike Felder's is a name we can't allow to disappear into the ether.

Brian Giles?

Fuck Brian Giles.

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Fuck Brian Giles? No, fuck YOU, pal.

Brian Giles did this on a day I was home sick from school. One of the great WTF performances I’ve seen.

Mike Felder’s greatest performance in a Mariner uniform was a 2-5 night against the Tigers in April.

(seriously though, this was a great post. And if you stumble across this, I hope you’re well, Mr. Felder)

by marc w on Oct 22, 2009 12:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Im glad somebody pointed this out

I watched this game, trying to teach my Scottish grandmother the rules of baseball. But I was young and kept flipping out because I didn’t know how to handle the awesomeness of so many Brian Giles-induced runs.

by Hoft on Oct 22, 2009 5:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh easily.

That’d be an interesting list right there….
Russ Swan’s debut? More of a BABIP fluke than anything, really. Paul Abbott probably has too many WTF moments for any single one to qualify.
Henry Cotto’s 2 HR game? Doesn’t hold a candle to the Giles performance.
Darnell Coles had a 2 HR game, but saved his true WTF game for the Pirates.
Greg Briley had a game with 2 HRs AND 2 BBs, which hardly seems possible given his OBPs.
Justin Leone’s HR/2B game with zero Ks?
Any time Rene Rivera hit a home run?

by marc w on Oct 22, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oooooohhh Rob Ducey!

This one has to be on the list.

My personal favorite is this one. I took my girlfriend to see her first baseball game, and it was incredibly awesome before turning awful. Ah, Kenny Cloude.

by marc w on Oct 22, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Against the A's, right?

I remember listening to it – I think the time of game was under 2 hours.

by marc w on Oct 22, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eh, retrosheet says 2:13.

It was a nice game, and his only career CG, so it probably qualifies.

But lots of pitch-to-contact guys have low-hit, low-run games. That’s why I don’t think Russ Swan’s mariner debut qualifies. Wolcott struck out 6, so it’s not quite a true BABIP fluke. Good call.

by marc w on Oct 22, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Similar to this one, really

Bob Stoddard’s CG 2 hitter against the Red Sox.
Or little Domingo Ramos (career SLG= .297) going 2/4 with a 2B and HR.
Johnny Moses with a 3/5 game with a HR and 2 SBs (career slg. = .313)
Greg Litton, 3-6 with a HR in a game he played 3 positions?

by marc w on Oct 22, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

This isn't in the same league, but I'll never forget Buehrle/Franklin in '05.

Game time 1:39, the pace those guys were throwing was incredible. Literally sounded like catch, the radio side only had enough time to register balls and strikes.

by Kermit. on Oct 22, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Looking at that box score, it's funny to see that the team ended up with 3 hits

all of them by Ichiro.

Player A was still looking for his first hit of the season, on April 16th. His first hit of THREE on the year.

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Oct 22, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think I've mentioned this around here before, but that game pissed me off.

I had to work that Saturday and I was looking forward to the ballgame playing on the radio as a bit of a distraction while I did my extremely repetitive job. Instead the game is over before I even get a quarter of my work done and we lost!

by Sec 108 on Oct 22, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Same here! I wish I had it on tape, Niehaus had a few terrific comments.

He sounded completely flabbergasted at one point, and that is exactly the right word for it. The pace was relentless, and from Franklin? I don’t think he shook off the catcher for about 3 games in a row, really out of character.

by Kermit. on Oct 22, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was at this game

Only time I’ve ever been to US Cellular. I got stuck in traffic and parking was a bitch, so I got there about 30 minutes late, and it was already the top of the 4th inning. I got to see an hour of baseball, in exchange for my four-hour roundtrip drive there.

It was incredible, but not in the fun, happy way.

by patsfan on Oct 22, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

4 words

Felix, Santana, Grand Slam

by PDXTai on Oct 22, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Scott Podsednik's first hit

In his second or third game, sometime in July 2001. Pinch-hit bases-loaded triple against the D-Backs. I specifically remember the crowd going mental because it looked like he could have gone for an inside the parker but he chickened out.

Also I remember thinking that I had witnessed the birth of our next superstar. Fuck you, Scott Podsednik.

by Nick S on Oct 22, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think that's the first time I've seen you type Player A's acutal name

And I’ve probably only seen it from anyone on LL two or three times.

by appleshampoo on Oct 22, 2009 12:46 AM PDT reply actions  

I took the quiz this morning.

And I had the worst time trying to spell Player A’s name. It had been years since I actually bothered remembering the order that the vowels go.

by katal on Oct 22, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair

when I took it, it wouldn’t give me however I was trying to spell Gutierrez despite several attempts. I felt like looking up the correct spelling. I also couldn’t spell Aurilia or Spezio either

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Oct 22, 2009 1:08 AM PDT reply actions  

I remembered certain players but couldn't remember their names

For example, Eric Anthony stirred in my memory, but all that I could come up with was “that crappy left fielder from Houston”. I also blanked on David Bell’s last name. I am ashamed to admit Ibanez didn’t come to mind at all.

by njpozner on Oct 22, 2009 1:52 AM PDT reply actions  

I am happy to say I almost spaced on A-rod!

selective blackout! I am sad to say that out of the 164 that I did get I forgot Tino!

I didn’t read the instructions and I was doing first names and I missed Mr. 80 percent Al Martin (how do you forget a two sport stud like that).

I can’t believe only 36 percent are getting Endy, 56 are getting Branyan and 59 are getting Lopez.

I would have got Carl Everett, but I don’t believe he existed!

Wherever I go, that's where I am.

by Rich Langford on Oct 22, 2009 2:17 AM PDT reply actions  

So who is the worst player in Mariners history by WAR?

I would guess Yuni but thankfully I was not around for Player A or Everett.

Also wait, is this Brain Giles THE Brian Giles???

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Oct 22, 2009 4:25 AM PDT reply actions  

A quick wikipedia check indicates NON!

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Oct 22, 2009 4:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I had the same problem

For someone light on the historical knowledge of baseball, I was really confused until I realized there are 2 Brian Gileses

by appleshampoo on Oct 22, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

He came up through the Indians

If I remember correctly

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Oct 22, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not being very good at reading in 1990

led me to some erroneous conclusions about Mike Felder when Cecil Fielder busted onto the scene. Perusing the league leaders in the newspaper, I remember telling my dad that “Mike Felder now plays for the Tigers, and he’s blown up!”

by Hoft on Oct 22, 2009 5:14 AM PDT reply actions  

24% remember Willy Boom-Boom

I only managed 106/200 with some rather notable omissions, particularly Tino Martinez, Jay Buhner and Freddy Garcia.

Reading Jeff’s article got me thinking that I really wouldn’t mind swotting up on some Mariners tales of yore… any suggestions for decent books on Ms history that others have read and found to be consuming?

by MarkE on Oct 22, 2009 6:19 AM PDT reply actions  

No, I got Edgar

I input first names and surnames. Was that not the deal?

There were probably about 10-12 I recognised but didn’t get. Others were:
Omar Vizquel
Joey Cora
Carlos Guillen
Mark McLemore
John Olerud
Jeremy Reed
Brad Wilkerson

Hence the need to swot up. That said, I got 37/40 from the last four years which I didn’t think was too awful.

by MarkE on Oct 22, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not an opening day starter.

Some of us still remember Jeff, however.

How’s he doing? He’s in coaching now, right?

by marc w on Oct 22, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Still Coaching

I must have misunderstood the concept. I interpretted it as “on the 25-man roster on Opening Day” (Jeff qualifies). As a relief pitcher, he would not have been in the starting lineup, though.

Jeff is well. Two kids now, and loving the chance to pass along the things he learned over the years.

by kva15 on Oct 22, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will now be expecting an article about Lee Tinsley

Felder’s 4th from bottom! he’s moving up!

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 22, 2009 7:54 AM PDT reply actions  

People didn't even know who Felder was when he was on the team.

1993 was the last year that the outfield seats in the Kingdome were festival seating. We used to show up about 3-4 hours before game time to get at the front of the line so we could get front row seats.

Turns out Felder was living in the new at the time Florentine condominiums right across Occidental from the Kingdome. As we were walking down Occidental to go grab a spot in line we saw Felder come out of his building and start walking over towards the player entrance. My first thought was how he was so small. We followed him as he made his way towards the gate. Not a single person even looked at him twice.

by Sec 108 on Oct 22, 2009 8:29 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

People who get perfect scores on Sporcle tests like this

are almost certainly cheating. Either they already took the test once and have the answers up in a second window, or they (and with 15 minutes there is totally time for this) pull up the opening day box score on Retrosheet for each season thus reducing the test to mere data entry.

I spend a lot of time on Sporcle.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Oct 22, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I admit I might not have gotten Al Martin if not for Martin/Martinez glitch

but on the other hand I still had 8 minutes left when I had completed the quiz

by Poochie on Oct 22, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Big tall white guy...

RH half of a platoon with Briley that year. Started on Opening Day because opposing pitcher was Chuck Finley.

I remember him vividly because on that Opening Day, Jones dove for a ball and missed it, turning a single into a triple and contributing directly to the loss.

by edgar is good on Oct 22, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Al Martin was the second guy I tried

The first was Al Davis.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Oct 22, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

For a little while ...

USA TODAY, Mar 29, 1993
The Seattle Mariners acquired a closer this winter – Norm Charlton. He has a devastating forkball, likes knocking hitters off the plate and had 26 saves last season. Now, the Mariners just need to find a way to get to him. The bullpen’s scouting report: Live, young, but inexperienced, arms.

Last week, Piniella called left-hander Mike Hampton, 20, to his office. Hampton had just had a poor outing and expected to be cut. On the contrary, Piniella explained his bullpen situation and told Hampton – always a starter – he had won a spot in the Mariners’ bullpen. Hampton told Piniella he would learn to get loose in a hurry.

The Mariners’ 98 losses doesn’t tell an accurate story of the team’s talent. League batting champ Edgar Martinez, who hit .343, plays excellent defense at third. All-Star Ken Griffey Jr., whose name can be found among many of the league’s offensive leaders, is a Gold Glove center fielder. The outfield also has powerful Jay Buhner and speed with newfound Lee Tinsley and Mike Felder, who is out with a hand injury but will be back in early April. Promising Tino Martinez takes over at first base. Omar Vizquel is constantly improving at shortstop. Rookie second baseman Bret Boone is having troubles, but long-term projections are good.

Seattle’s rotation is as viable as any in the AL West. It needs to cut down on walks (a league-worst 661 in ‘92). Chris Bosio, who allowed one walk per nine innings, will help. There’s also Randy Johnson, Erik Hanson and rookie John Cummings. Dave Fleming is injured but expected back May 1. And, if the Mariners can hold on until July, they might get help from Brian Holman, trying to recover from shoulder surgery.

by msb on Oct 22, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Brian Holman :(

Holman never made it back (he was injured in 1991), Cummings was awful, Tino stayed merely ‘promising’ for a few more years, and Felder/Tinsley didn’t help. Still, .500 record woooo.

This was a blast from the past; I think I said things like this to anyone who would listen – there was always some reason why the stars would align and let the M’s win the pennant.

by marc w on Oct 22, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

hmmm
Edgar Martinez, who hit .343, plays excellent defense at third.

by Poochie on Oct 22, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he was better than his fielding percentage suggested

but after the injuries, it wasn’t going to be pretty if he stayed there. He was likely average to a bit above for a short time from 1990-92.

by marc w on Oct 22, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

SEATTLE PI, Apr 1, 1991

Martinez still can’t believe he led the league’s third basemen in errors last year – when sore knees limited his range – but he’s worked hard to make sure it doesn’t happen again. “I never made even 20 errors before. Never,” he said. “I was upset with the way I played defense and I put in a lot of work during the winter, taking a lot of grounders and getting my legs in shape.”

“To be a good fielder, you have to want to be a good fielder,” coach Ron Clark said. “Edgar wants to be a good fielder and it all starts with your work ethic.” And, in his case, two good knees.

For most of last season, Martinez was bothered by a sore right knee. He never complained because he felt that if he was removed from the starting lineup, he never would get back in.

Martinez missed the final five games of the season, finishing with a .302 average, and on Oct. 2 he underwent arthroscopic surgery to repair ligament damage.

Lefebvre blames the bum knee for Martinez’s fielding problems. “Edgar always was known as an excellent fielder, but he had no range last season. He didn’t get to balls most third basemen get to.”

by msb on Oct 22, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shocking here, but Lefebvre's comment isn't supported by what meager data we have.

He had a poor fielding percentage but had a lot more chances than the average 3B. This despite playing next to Omar.

by marc w on Oct 22, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought Dave Fleming was going to be an absolute stud

but now I have no idea exactly why I thought that. It was probably pitcher wins.

Batted .393/.614/.464 for 2009 Diablos, #5 in OBP for PSSBL Rocky Division.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Oct 22, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, this is the last one :)

The Oregonian, July 11, 1989

Darnell Coles and Jim Presley say they have more to offer than the Mariners realize, and both figure they may be traded by team managers determined to have a content squad. Although the Mariners are off to a surprising 42-44 start at the All-Star break, Coles has become a player without a position and Presley has lost his spot at third base to Edgar Martinez.

“I have no idea,” Coles replied when asked what he thought his role would be for the Mariners in the second half of the season. “I just I hope I get the opportunity to play. We have a lot of guys who are swinging the bat well. But somebody has to sit and somebody has to play. Hopefully, I’ll be playing,” said Coles, 26.

Presley, who represented the Mariners at the 1986 All-Star game in Houston, played at third base Sunday. On Saturday night, he played in place of Alvin Davis at first base.

“I don’t see how,” Presley, 27, said when queried how Martinez won the third baseman’s job from him. “I think I’m swinging the bat pretty good. I hurt my back and I haven’t been in the lineup since. I’m mystified to say the least.”

Manager Jim Lefebvre won’t say he’s given the third baseman’s job to Martinez, but he does say he wants to give Martinez, 26, a chance to show what he can do over a period of time.

Like Presley, Coles is perplexed about the way the Mariners are using him.

“Let’s say you have a good day,” he said. “There’s no guarantee you’re going to play the next day. It’s a little different if you’re Jeffrey Leonard or Alvin or somebody like that.” Coles points out that 19-year-pld Ken Griffey Jr. is Lefebvre’s starting center fielder most of the time. With Leonard in left and sometimes being used at designated hitter, that leaves precious little playing time for the other outfielders.

by msb on Oct 22, 2009 2:29 PM PDT reply actions  

You know who I miss?

Butch Husky.
Back when he was a Mariner I was 11. I knew him from the year before playing Griffey Baseball for the N64, and I didn’t care that he sucked, his name was Butch “Fuckin’” Husky.

Carlos Silvelite

by OceanBird on Oct 23, 2009 12:20 PM PDT reply actions  

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