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The ALCS: A case for rooting for the Yankees

Based upon the game threads over the last week or so, it has been quite clear that this year's version of the ALCS has brought about a heated debate concerning who the average M's fan should root for. Of course, the real nature of this debate is not about who we want to see win, but who we want to see lose. Thus, by pulling for, say, the Yankees, what this action really means is that we're going against the Angels. I was a touch surprised to learn of the results of an October 12 poll, which revealed that 7 out of 10 M's fans were pulling for the Angels. The substance of recent game threads also seems to have reflected this ratio.

I thus find myself drawn to lay out my reasoning for rooting for the downfall of the Angels, with a Yankee triumph being the necessary evil that will bring about that end (I do realize this would have been more timely had I posted it before the series was a possible one game away from completion!):

1. The Yankees are always winning. This is one of the reasons why we despise them in the first place. This constant winning, though, has made us numb. Seeing the Yankees win is nothing unusual; we're used to it. Having to endure an Angels victory, however, is not as easily coped with. Like the immmunization process, a Yankees victory I can handle because I've been exposed to it over and over again. I have not, however, built up a sufficient resistance to Angels victories, and thus such a thing would be much more difficult to digest.

2. Based upon the advanced statistical nature of this website, I'm sure most of us here realize that the Angels play in the same division as us, while the Yankees do not. These division boundaries do not, of course, play a part in the postseason, but their lingering affects cannot be ignored. A regular season victory against the Angels is more valuable than a win against the Yankees because of the direct affect it has on the standings (which were, at least for a while, somewhat important). This divisional setup brings about an element of loathing which can be directed at the Angels, but not the Yankees. The Yankees I despise out of luxury, and the Angels out of necessity. 

3. (This point only applies to California residents/anybody who has a friend who's an Angels fan). If 2002 was any indication, if the Angels advance any further, we will never hear the end of it.  The world series triumph of 2002 wasn't simply something we were constantly reminded of during 2003; for years afterwards I was told of it. The Angels were always better than my team, I was told, because they won the world series a few years ago (the original notion was, of course, for the most part always true, but the reasoning never quite drilled the point home for me). It  took years for people to stop talking about 2002, and I most certainly don't want to invest several more of them recovering from a 2009 Halo triumph. (I realize this point could also be made for Yankees fans, but I imagine there being more M's fans in southern California than New York, and therefore less suffering for M's fans if the Yankees do the winning)

4. Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim

It is for these reasons that I have, for seven games at least, tossed my hat into the Yankees camp. Neither possible outcome is desirable, but one of these poisons I have found to be the lesser.

 

Additional thoughts or discrediting of my reasoning are welcome!

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No.

It’s hard to comprehend for west-coasters, but Yankees fans are without a doubt the worst in sports, college or professional. The idea of another World Series victory while I’m still in this part of the country makes me want to regurgitate my spleen.

Let the Yankees burn.

by cwel87 on Oct 21, 2009 7:09 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I lived in CT for a year

and I would say that Red Sox fans are just as bad. And I lived in CT before 2004. They’re both execrable.

I’m personally hoping for a 7-game thriller of a series that the Phillies win in the top of the 9th at Yankee Stadium with a Raul Ibanez 3-run home run.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2009 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

No.

Red Sox fans are the worst human beings in the history of human beings.

by TheTank123 on Oct 21, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Yankee fans are demonstrably less than human.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've been to 10+ games in both Fenway and Yankee Stadium

There is no comparison. Yankees fans are so much worse.

by cwel87 on Oct 21, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hells yes.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Oct 21, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

YES

My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!

by gregrabble on Oct 21, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

So....

does that mean Dave is about to be exiled? Or does he get out on the technicality of just wanting to see more baseball?

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Oct 25, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh....

Yeah, I mean it would be something to see, but every Yankees fan I know is obnoxious. Some of them are actually quite knowledgeable and can carry on conversations about the game for long stretches, but they’re still obnoxious. To see them all come out of the woodwork would be a headache for me.

The ALCS has left us with no desirable outcome, so I think I’ll just root for whoever comes out on top in the NL.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Oct 21, 2009 8:23 AM PDT reply actions  

This is really what I've done

I say fuck ’em both. But really fuck the Yankees.

by cwel87 on Oct 21, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.

The thing that makes Red Sox fans annoying is their underdog mentality. It was cute when they hadn’t won a WS since 1918, but now it’s annoying.

by Aaron Campeau on Oct 22, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Proximity.

Some people call Philly the sixth borough. I’ve known a few of them who have moved from there and never looked back. It’s hard to get all uppity about being the best when you have an even more uppity neighbor who beats you in nearly every category.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Oct 25, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was brought up with a "Beat LA" mindset.

As a Giants fan, you root against the Dodgers, plain and simple.

As a Mariners fan, you root against the Angels, plain and simple.

While the Yankees are irksome, it’s not going to bring around an increase in Yankee pride if they win. If they don’t win, they’ll remain smug bastards, convinced they’ll win next year. Might as well mitigate the damage and keep the egos of Los Angeles fans in check.

And. Death to Rally Monkey.

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Oct 21, 2009 8:47 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Going with a purely baseball standpoint

Any time a postseason series is played against the Angels, well I wouldn’t know because that’s only happened once for a single game and we raped them. Any time a postseason series is played against the Yankees, they’ve beaten us. And it continues to piss me off.

by cwel87 on Oct 21, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

In this decade*

Obviously, 1995 is the exception to this. But recent demons are the ones that hurt the most.

by cwel87 on Oct 21, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

huh...

you remember ‘95 playoff run against the Angels but forget it for the Y*nkees, but I get the point – the ’01 loss was more recent and still hurt(s).
I lean toward angels in this series as the lesser of two evils – the Y*nkees always seem to win and do so by spending the most, their fans and players have an annoying sense of entitlement, Arod plays for the Yankees, all the other Y*nkees also play for the Y*nkees, the Y*nkees are the baseball equivalent of the L*kers (yes, even though the Angels are from SoCal), and the Angels are the underdog and get some respect for the AL West if they win the series. Again, this is the lesser of two evils and I’m sick of seeing these two evil teams in the playoffs seemingly every year, but I can never bring myself to root for the Y*nkees against anyone.

by sfiles on Oct 25, 2009 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

There are more reasons for me to cheer for LAA.

And they are as follows. I’m operating under the assumption that the winner of the American League pennant will also win the World Series.

1. The yankees have caused me more heartache than the Angels have.

2. The Angels have had a grand total of one World Series victory. Even if LAA wins it again this year, I can still conceivably see the Mariners one day passing them in terms of how many W.S. they have won. Not so much with NY.

3. It would be really funny to me if Alex Rodriguez never wins a World Series ring.

4. An Angel team that wins the World Series enters the offseason relatively complacent. I like this more than an Angels team that loses to the yankees and decides to throw large sums of money at free agents in order to have a better shot next year.

On the other hand, the only reason I can see to cheer for the yankees is that a NYY victory will lead to renewed cries of “they buy all their talent!” This will push the concept of implementing a salary cap that much closer to fruitation.

by katal on Oct 21, 2009 9:14 AM PDT reply actions   9 recs

I've been struggling with this to

Point 4 is the tripping point for me. What result is most likely to help the Mariners short term and long term?

Looking long term, I think the best we could hope for would be the Angels signing a Barry Zito like FA contract that just hoses them. What makes that most likely?

My guess is a WS appearance and a 4-3 series loss. Next best would be a 4-3 loss to the Yankees. In both cases conventional wisdom would say “we’re just one piece away” which might make the Angels more likely to drop big dollars on bad FA.

So, my preference, in order (most preferred at the top):

Angels lose close WS
Angels lose close ALCS
Angels blown out in WS
Angels blown out in ALCS
Aramgeddon
Angels win WS

I guess that means I’m rooting for the Angels in this round.

by PDXTai on Oct 21, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

They let Washburn walk.

They aren’t that retarded.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Concerning helping the Mariners long term, one other point that can be considered

is the additional revenue a world series appearance might bring to the Angels.

by apunetid on Oct 21, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes

Also winning another championship further cements their reputation as a team that can win, making it easier for them to lure some free agents.

And consider that we play the Angels at least twice as many times as we play the Yankees every year, meaning their success has a greater impact on our playoff chances.

by OlSalty on Oct 21, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never voted and never will...

I seriously cannot choose between these two evils. Literally both of them are equal.

SHOW FiFi THE MONEY!!!!

by PositivePaul on Oct 21, 2009 9:23 AM PDT reply actions  

I wish both can lose.

I guess the best thing to do is hope the NL wins the WS, that way both teams lose.

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by Fin on Oct 21, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Same here.

I could care less about hockey.

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Oct 21, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

That too.

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Oct 21, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

FUCK THE ANGELS

FUCK THE YANKEES

The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!

by JamMasterJesus on Oct 21, 2009 10:11 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Tradition is for assholes that wish they were as good as they used to be.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Like DC United!

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Oct 21, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

One of the main things I despise about the Yankees and their fanbase

is their insistence on calling it the Stadium, capitalized. Like there’s only one “stadium” in baseball. Get over your damn selves.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

I’ve seen it in a lot of print media, most notably the NYT, but a lot of people just call it “The Stadium”. It grates on me more than almost anything else Yankee-related.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's funny.

I despise the fact that they breathe air that could be put to better use being befouled by some rodent passing gas.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't get up in arms about that.

Everywhere does it. When I lived outside of Philly, “the city” was Philly. In Joliet, Chicago. Hell, I heard it once or twice in High School in rural OR talking about Portland.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's not the referral, it's the capitalization

Capitalization implies that it’s the most important, or the best, or the only. I use “the city” when I’m talking about things that are in downtown Portland vs. in the suburbs, but I wouldn’t ever use The City.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, see, that's fine!

“the city” should refer to the nearest metro area.

I lived for 4 years in Philly surrounded by Long Islanders who refused to stop referring to New York as “the City”

by Matthew on Oct 21, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aha.

I never made that distinction. I just figured they were talking about the city nearest.

I can see how that would get annoying, though.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or nearest city, even.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Oct 21, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, well

some people refer to Safeco as just “The Safe”—like it’s the only safe in the world! So…same thing, really.

by Liebkartoffel on Oct 21, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

A case for rooting for the Yankees: you want to

A case for rooting for the Angels: you want to.

I am surprised by how much attention this is getting for an argument that has not a single rational point attached to it.

by Matthew on Oct 21, 2009 10:50 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

I'm pretty sure sports fandom is not rational pretty much ever

which is why I find it entertaining.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Oct 21, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well no, it's not. But often this blog centers around statistical analysis, which can at least be rational

However, there is no point in trying to set out a rational argument over who one should support in these playoffs. I don’t think this fanpost was meant to be rational, full of numbers and stats. Which is why I don’t understand why Matthew seems so surprised that there are no rational arguments here.

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Oct 21, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's a general point, not a specific one to this fanpost.

This is like the sixth long thread about whether people should be rooting for the Yankees or Angels and people seem so serious about it.

by Matthew on Oct 21, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

And I'm not bemoaning the lack of rational arguments.

I’m just saying there can’t be rational arguments. It’s a debate that exists entirely outside of rationality.

by Matthew on Oct 21, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

As Henry Kissinger said

of the Iran-Iraq war; “It’s a pity they can’t both lose.”

However, since they can’t, that leaves me with a rooting interest. The Angels were kind enough to run Boston out of the ALDS in brisk fashion, and Red Sox fans are about even with Yankee fans for pure obnoxiousness.

But the bottom line is that, while I dislike the Angels for being an irritating team;. I’d root for Al Qaeda if they were playing the Yankees.

And no matter who wins what, it has pretty much no difference to what happens in our division next year, other than the off chance that they overwork a pitcher or two; or give Lackey an inflated sense of his own value so that he goes elsewhere in free agency. And really, what would be so bad about that?

"Get offa my lawn!"

by Greybear on Oct 22, 2009 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Okay. I have a rooting interest now...

I want the Angels to force things to game 7 so that no matter which team wins, it’ll cause more wear and tear (cough risk of devastation cough) on them and they’ll be weakened enough to be at a disadvantage in the World Series…

SHOW FiFi THE MONEY!!!!

by PositivePaul on Oct 22, 2009 9:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Being on the East Coast

I was crushed LAA couldn’t get it done

It’s tougher to have the hatred for LAA when you have virtually no exposure to their fanbase, which is the biggest reason most here seem to hate them

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by BQueezy on Oct 26, 2009 10:03 PM PDT reply actions  

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