10/2: Open Game Thread
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 6:04 PM PDT
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So Andruw Jones has been a pile of crap for months.
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Let's end this bitch on a high note
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Semantics!
I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.
P.S. Fuck the Angels!
Yay Pidgin Toe!
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Oct 2, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Pidgins don't have toes.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Oct 2, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
That's racist.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Oct 2, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
(sigh)
I don’t see any other linguists on duty at the moment.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Oct 2, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought you were referring to people without a real language, as in, dirty trade merchants from india.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Oct 2, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that where Snell picked up his bad habits?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Oct 2, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I had to go look it up because I had no idea who the fuck bossman junior was
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Last night was my Beltre appreciation night.
My last Mariner game for the year. He hit a HR for me. As he was rounding the bases, I screamed “SIGN WITH THE ANGELS!”. I am hoping that, through the din, the message was received subliminally.
angels fan in seattle
Huh
Jose Lopez has been selected as the Mariners’ candidate to receive the 2009 Heart and Hustle Award
…
Previous winners are Indians center fielder Grady Sizemore (2008), former Astros star Craig Biggio (2006 and ’07) and shortstop David Eckstein (2005).
He played through tragedy!
Well…around tragedy.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Oct 2, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Ian Snell will break the MLB record for strikeouts in a game.
What're ya gonna do with those pies, boys?
I think you may be on to something there.
But what about true talent going forward?
What're ya gonna do with those pies, boys?
You watch Family Guy voluntarily.
You don’t get to judge what’s funny.
Eli Whiteside?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Oct 2, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Ian Snell?
I hope you die. I hope we BOTH die.
by BRKLN M'S on Oct 2, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Geoff would make it whiter
now you’re just being Silly, man
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Something insane going on right now,
flashbulbs popping crazy like at the Safe
Wow, one groundout, one strikeout, a couple of walks, and less than 60% strikes?
I guess I should have just looked.
Missing the glove with frequency, I imagine?
No TV. In fact we have no electricity.
I am powering my laptop with a treadmill.
We already had this conversation today and hey guess what no one changed their mind.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 2, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the Olympics and I really don't give a shit whether anyone else does or not.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 2, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Omar Vizquel's going to do it in the offseason.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Oct 2, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
So if he'd been thrown out, that could have been scored a single, out trying to take second.
But if he makes it, it’s always a double.
Nothing real concrete
I’m just less optimistic than I was this morning
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
no no no no no no no no no no
:(
Fuck the Angels! And the Yankees and Red Sox while we're at it.
Well that's pretty bad than, as you didn't seem all that optimistic before anyway
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He's probably at absolute max value right now
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Zduriencik is going to be lynched if this happens.
And I’ll be there to help. I have no rationality on this topic.
Would depend completely on the return for me
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Would depend upon return and destination.
Impact is mitigated if he goes somewhere I can still love him.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 2, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm already preparing myself for his inevitable Red Soxitude
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but then the package would eat dick
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 2, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Nobody I've talked to has the foggiest idea where he went
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently on the DL with some knee problem
He’s going to the AFL Hall of Fame!
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
You should all think about getting used to this
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
But less happy about the hypothetical trade return
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
There is almost no way he makes it to free agency the first time around
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
But then in makes very little sense to trade him because the return wwouldn't be as goo.d
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 2, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
But is it still worth it to trade him?
Obviously a team that intends to resign him is going to be willing to give up more in return, especially since we aren’t in a situation where we can’t compete before he’s eligible for FA.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 2, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess what I am saying is that the odds of getting what you want
are lower if the team you are trading him to isn’t going to resign him right away.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 2, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
True, but look at what the Cardinals gave up for Holliday
They still think its 1997. Its not unprecedented.
Oh yeah.
It might happen, I’m just not optimistic that it would.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 2, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
GMZ could always hang onto him to see what's going on with contracts.
Prices have been coming down haven’t they? Or maybe not for big time players like Feliz. And the disappearing test is annoying. Probably a typo in there.
Basically, I'm excited since it's GMZ at the reigns
Anybody else, not so much.
I don't see any medium or small market teams trading for him
Boston’s the obvious frontrunner.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I can be completely rational on this topic
after losing RJ, Griffey an A-Rod in three striaght years losing Felix ain’t nothin
Same deal.
And the bigger issue is that Felix came along after the internet. I heard about him when he was in AA. I’ve been following him all the way through his development and following closely. And now, when he FINALLY fucking becmomes the pitcher we thought he could be, he might be leaving.
At least we got to see R.J., Griffey and (to a lesser extent) A-Rod be great for a few years and go to the playoffs.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 2, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
A hypothetical package including a hypothetical good young SS would be great
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Can you think of a package that a team could offer to make us better without Felix?
There are a limited amount of teams that will/can trade for Felix and I can’t put together any reasonable package in my head that makes us better in 2010.
But I’m pretty stupid so who knows!
I can think of a package that would give us a lot of value and free up payroll
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
That would be rosterbation which is annoying as hell.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 2, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but Jeff knows what he's talking about.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 2, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't really feel much like speculating though
Anything at this point would just be pulling names out of a hat and I haven’t done the necessary research.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, Heyward probably gets them a good part of the way there, anyway.
Do they have any major leaguers than intrigue you?
Look I really don't want to encourage this
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm trying to offer little of my own opinion and get you to start something.
Nobody here is gonna rosterbate… but nobody will mind if you do.
But all I know are names and abilities
I don’t know shit about who’s realistic.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
A lot
I’d try to get one ready or close-to-ready player at a problem position, as well as a pretty good young starter.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
And if you can't get what you want then try to win by 2011.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 2, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd be happy to hang on to him until July just to see
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, it's possible his value is higher then anyways.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 2, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
One problem is that players you want in the winter could be established by July
and therefore less likely to be traded.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
And I kind of want this resolved early this winter, anyway.
I mean I want to hear that either we extended Felix or we’re shopping him. Just waiting is torture.
And also what teams have a need for 2 years of an ace like Felix
Who also have enough prospects or kinds of players GMZ likes to make it worth it.
For example, the Angels could definitely use Felix, but they couldn’t get him.
We can narrow down the teams a bit this way.
There's no way they give up Heyward and McCann.
But if GMZ was offered that he would probably say yes before running any numbers.
I'm just saying if some one asks who I'm intersted in
I give them a list of names. It’s not like you’re asking for anything specific, its just testing the waters
Milwaukee and Baltimore are NOT in the mix for Felix.
Tampa Bay is possible, but how often have you seen them trade away highly talented players since Friedman took over?
I’m not seeing the New York connection. Braves are a possibility but I don’t think they have the depth in their system to be trading for Felix at this point.
Why not
The Brewers have that Furcal clone, the Orioles have Wieters. You’d at least give them a call
Orioles are not going to trade Wieters, they are not thinking about competing in 2010/2011.
And trading Wieters doesn’t make sense at all, anyway.
Alcides Escobar is valued by the Brewers way more than any independent scouts or other orgs seem to, we wouldn’t get a great value for him.
All I'm saying is there's no point in shooting down limitless possiblities just because you are cranky
by Poochie on Oct 2, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not cranky...
I’m trying to tell you that Felix is going to cost a team a shit ton of talent, and most teams aren’t willing to give up 3-win major league players or future all-stars that are still under club control for 5+ years.
If we make a deal, it’s probably going to be a very fine young major leaguer (like Buchholz) and 3-4 B to B+ prospects.
I'm going by Sickles' style ratings... B and B+ prospects are like Moore, Saunders, etc.
Buchholz is worth more than Gonzalez right now anyway.
"A" prospects are like top 3 guys.
We were never going to get multiple A or A- guys plus a great major leaguer.
Why not?
One great major leaguer, plus one a prospect, plus something else seems about right. Cite the Bedard trade as precedent.
Agreed, that's way too little for a 23 year old ace under club control for 2 more years
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This is by no means a guarantee that he's gone by the way
Still a great shot he re-signs. But keep on your toes. And don’t pay heed to any suspect information that may be floating around. You should know by now who to trust and who to ignore.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I blindly believe anything that I hear, here at LL
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He's going to the Angels, right?
Shoot me now.
Fuck the Angels! And the Yankees and Red Sox while we're at it.
Yeah, I know
I was just trying to imagine the worst possible place for him to sign. This way, I’ll feel relieved when it’s some other team.
Fuck the Angels! And the Yankees and Red Sox while we're at it.
Moores liked him.
And he seems like a smart enough dude. Some curious moves, but some good ones too. And pretty much fourteen dollars to work with. I don’t know. I’m kind of happy for him. He’ll probably get a better job.
I've never been too down on him
I just can’t believe a GM with that record lasted as long as he did.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I really want to see them win
Even if they’re ripe to get swept in the Playoffs
Looks better this inning than it was early
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I've only been watching since the bottom of the fifth.
I guess that would be an important thing to mention.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 2, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Do all pitchers do that little twist thing he does at the end?
I’ve never noticed.
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Really the Manny suspension didn't affect it.
They played worse in the second half.
Fuck the Angels!
Lowe seems to be blowing pretty much every lead we give him lately
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Yeah that's why I said pretty much
Goodness
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If he is, that is not relevant to my statement
I said lately. I think he’s had a really good year all around
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So he's a little over 80% in hold/save situations? That doesn't seem awful.
Thats not how we evaluate people here anyway, but it doesn’t seem awful even by traditional standard.
Could you tell me what's the name of this percentage?
Where a middle reliever comes in and doesn’t blow the lead. (I didn’t know how to find it). Thank you.
Thank you, I thought that might be it but
was doubting my eyes when I checked up Nellie’s numbers from 2001.
26 holds, 4 saves, 1 BSv
And Rhodes was 31 holds, 3 saves, 4 Bsv
And both Nellie and Rhodes didn’t blow a single hold situation in 2001 out of 57 chances.
No wonder I thought I had the wrong stats. And no wonder I miss them. Jeez awesome.
Two guys like those could be the difference between us now and postseason playas.
Reminiscing, yay!
While you’re at it, do you have any interesting stories about 1995? People don’t talk about that team enough.
Fuck Anaheim.
Are you familliar with "the double"?
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The fact that it's called The Double: A Petersburg Poem threw me
Since I didn’t know what you were referring to and was forced to Google it
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And mine backfired, as I was assuming that you had
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I actually think he's had a great year, he just hasn't seemed real effective lately
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That's because no one thought Jamie Burke was anything other than what he was.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 2, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Between two catchers that are going nowere, I'd have taken Burke.
At least he had good hands. I can’t believe Johnson has 2 triples this year, what the hell
Man I bet he and Hamilton love Grey's Anatomy
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 2, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Well as the tree said to the logger
I’m stumpped
by Poochie on Oct 2, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Presumably a reference to how Wak wouldn't pinch-hit most of the season
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I guess, but there's like a 15% chance he gets on base and a 40% chance he strikes out in that situation.
Whatever, though, I kinda want to see extras.
Yeah Felix is a real pillowbiter
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm convinced there are about 5 people on LL that genuinely like Beltre
by Poochie on Oct 2, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I never actually cared much for Beltre
but I appreciate his defensive skill and properly rate his overall skill package.
So watching the best 3B in baseball for a few years has been really entertaining.
What is the most fun position to watch a top defender at?
I think it could be 3B, but I’m undecided.
I watched three innings of that [COATHANGER] and I didn't see shit
by Poochie on Oct 2, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
They didn't start until the middle innings
Earlier it was mostly HEY UMP!
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
It wouldn't surprise me if those ads are pre-downloaded in the the computer or something
because they run as laggy as fuck for me but the actual game runs fine
Or is for the finest culinary institute?
I’m not quite sure myself.
What're ya gonna do with those pies, boys?
Yikes Messenger in. I'm nervous.
Please keep the door open for heroics in the bottom of the inning.
It has?
I saw them do the wave in a 4-3 game, high leverage situation.
It's really easy to check.
As long as you have an internet connection.
I don't think we're going to have any more pitchers to use by the time this gets to the 13th inning
by Dewey N on Oct 2, 2009 10:10 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
This team has been unbelievable this year
by Poochie on Oct 2, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it's been long enough that this could be funny again
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
You definitely would have to pick your spots.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 2, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Forget about it and write it in five minutes?
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That seems unlikely.
I doubt I would forget about the start of the baseball season. I think you know that too and are just suggesting this to hurt my feelings.
I just want to say...
listening to you two bickering makes me very uncomfortable.
What're ya gonna do with those pies, boys?
If you want uncomfortable you should hear how we resolve these disputes
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm tired of your double-sided coin dammit
by Matthew on Oct 2, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is like a sextuple entendre
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 2, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That should give me plenty of time to work on chargin' my lazor
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 2, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The best thing about humor is that you don't need to be fresh
by Jeff Sullivan on Oct 2, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
So what's the deal with these airplane peanuts?
Have you seen these things?
by Matthew on Oct 2, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes and I pointed that out with a link to your speech in the dead memes thread
its was quite amusing
Fuck, 2nd place gone. And it looks like the Rangers are gonna be uppity next year too
I liked them when they sucked.
Yeah, I was wondering why there were over 750 comments on a non-Felix day.
Turns out it looks like a really really really non-Felix day :(
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