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OTFPOTD 1/9/09 - Fashion Suicide edition

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I needed an excuse to post this lovely picture of Ichiro, so here's the question - what's the most regrettable fashion decision you've made in your life?  When I was in high school, there were several occasions where I rocked the baggy shorts and high-top Air Jordans, which doesn't sound too unfortunate until you realize that the shorts were not too dissimilar, color-and-pattern-wise, from what Ichiro's wearing there.  But in my defense, it was 1985.

I also owned parachute pants.

Did I mention I can't wait until baseball starts up again in earnest?  I'm sick of this no-baseball crap.

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I was just reminded by a family member

That for a whole summer I once wore a roach clip with feathers in my hair. I attached a frigging ROACH CLIP to my hair. What kind of genius came up with that one?

by royalcurve on Jan 9, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

That was trendy. I remember that summer.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

"How'd you get the name smoky?"

“Got my name in better times kid. . . got my name in better times. (sigh)”

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Jan 9, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh dear God my eyes.

I was a leggings-neon slouch socks-giant tee shirt tied up at the waist kind of gal. Oh, and the side ponytail.

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jan 9, 2009 10:02 AM PST reply actions  

No not Tina that was the llama

the girl whose name I can’t remember. I do not in any way think of you as a llama.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Deb.

Who is now on Big Love, which starts next weekend.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

You recommend?

I watched the first two or three episodes when it started a few years ago, but I never got hooked. My girlfriend got a lot farther and has been trying to get me to watch it. The ads look good, and I’m interested in the subject matter. I should probably give it another shot.

by Teej on Jan 9, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Highly.

It’s definitely a slow burn, rather than a lot of crazy action, but stick with it and by the middle of Season 1 you’ll be hooked.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

In 7th grade there was a neon explosion, and everything you wore had to be neon.

Unfortunately I succumbed to this fashion pressure and went to school wearing a neon green overalls with a neon pink sweatshirt over the top. Oh, and some of those huge, plastic triangle earrings. That day, walking through the 9th grade hall to class, was the first time I got beat up.

In high school I was a skater betty, then a bat caver. But not really full goth, like white makeup and sadness – I was always too friendly for that. I went with a new wave look. Pointy buckle shoes from Na Na, Bauhaus tshirts and black skirts with black footless tights. Over this I’d throw my leather jacket (complete with paint pen art and a Mercedes decal on one shoulder).

by royalcurve on Jan 9, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

My wife called herself "the perky goth"

because she went full-on goth in her dress (fishnets under ripped jeans, black lipstick/nail polish/eyeshadow, lots of ankhs and crosses around her neck) but she was still friendly enough. I would have paid any amount to see her in person back then – the pictures are awesome.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Regrettable...hmmm

I was just talking about this the other day; in the…what, late 80s? there was a strange trend for it to be acceptable, and even desirable, for men to wear things with hot pink accenting. So I had a ski jacket that was black and hot pink. Probably the most fashionable thing I’ve ever owned, and also the dumbest.
That trend ended and hot pink was replaces with purple, hence the Colorado Rockies.

I never owned parachute pants.

As an off-topic rant from this off-topic post, let me just say that Bob Stoops lost the championship game, and probably lost a lot of bettors a ton of money. Two possessions inside the 10 get you a whopping 0 points? I know a lot of people hate it when coaches throw in short yardage situations, but I hate it more when coaches run four straight dives because damn it, that’s what Vince Lombardi would do (it also means that sportwriters won’t second guess you, because that’s tough, manly football, without any of these sissy, euro-trash, techno-music play action passes). Oklahoma was the better team, but Florida made some huge plays (the two interceptions were amazing, and neither was really Bradford’s fault… the defensive players just made better plays than the receivers).

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 10:04 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

"Euro-trash, techno-music play action passes"

That was a pretty nice rant, I think that line is a phenomenal piece of work.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Jan 9, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

My ski jacket was hot pink.

With purple piping. Man, I was styling.

My hair was spiked, too. That was before I grew my killer mullet in high school (I wanted to look like Brutus “the Barber” Beefcake).

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

HAHAHA

I keep finding old pictures, since we moved recently and are sorting through boxes. Tromping around Germany in my pink coat and neon T-shirt seems to be cropping up a lot more frequently than I’d like to admit. Well, it was 1989, so…

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jan 9, 2009 10:05 AM PST reply actions  

I had a mullet, because the Bash Brothers did.

This being the same time that I would wear my Alf tank-top, and my red, white, and blue clam-digger shorts. Oh yes, don’t forget the black-framed, multi-color-lensed sunglasses, complete with geek-strap.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 9, 2009 10:07 AM PST reply actions  

So this is the scene heading out of Grays Harbor this morning.

I’m gonna be pissed if this isn’t cleared up by tomorrow.

by Goose on Jan 9, 2009 10:09 AM PST reply actions  

They're at least saying I-5 will be open this afternoon

and that flood waters are supposed to start to recede all over western WA today, so you should be OK by tomorrow I’d think.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

The I-5 flooding has completely killed our parts deliveries here at my work

Nobody can get anything up here because most of the parts warehouses are located in Portland and California. I have like 3 cars waiting on simple little shit and I can do nothing but wait

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Jan 9, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Go north through Port Angeles and take a ferry across???

Granted that’s a few hours longer than a normal commute, but hey, if you’re desperate…

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jan 9, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Not that desperate.

If the roads are still shut down, I’m not coming.

by Goose on Jan 9, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Have you guys seen this whole thing with the Blazers and Darius Miles?

I’m not much of a basketball fan, and I find salary caps to be confusing and stupid, so I’m fascinated/confused by this.

by Teej on Jan 9, 2009 10:12 AM PST reply actions  

So out of the major sports, only baseball has guaranteed contracts?

Is this correct? Basketball and football confuse the crap out of me, especially basketball. Seems like they sign guys for umpteen millions, then never really have to pay it. I don’t get it.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Jan 9, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I think basketball's are guaranteed too

which is the problem in this case – the guarantee falls to Portland, even though Miles was released as a medical retirement. THAT’S the part I don’t understand – why the guarantee doesn’t travel to the team that a player goes to when he departs.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

It's really lazy of me, but when people say the NBA business model is broken, I just agree with the idea.

Players move around so much, and the contracts seem astronomical. It’s like baseball on speed, way to fast for me.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Jan 9, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm kinda the same way really

I don’t really understand the point of a league where a trade is more about “clearing cap space” than it is about acquiring talented players – the NBA cap is so Byzantine and detailed that there’s no way a casual fan like myself can ever make sense of it.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was tracking until midway throught the Bi-Annual exemption.

Does Boras represent any basketball players? Thats so complicated there has to be more loop holes than an afghan rug, tailor made for a guy like him.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Jan 9, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

And if you REALLY want to keep going with the cap

there’s this.

I’d care more if the league didn’t demonstrate just how little they care about fans by ripping the Sonics out of seattle, so I don’t really follow the cap or basically anything anymore.

No, Boras is strictly a baseball guy.

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

.
why the guarantee doesn’t travel to the team that a player goes to when he departs.

Same thing can happen in baseball, though. Remember Sexson clearing waivers and then was released outright? The Yankees picked him up, but then the Mariners had to pick up the paycheck.

by Wilder. on Jan 9, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Basketballs are garenteed.

It’s just that the Blazers moved to declare Darius unfit to play. An independent doctor confirmed this, so the insurance took over, and payed Darius. As it was because of being ruled medically unfit, the league rules say that Darius’s contract comes off of Portland’s cap space, unless he plays in 10 games, and then the money goes back on the cap.

The contract shouldn’t matter that much, as it brings our open cap space from around 20 million to 10 million, and you can still get quality players for that much. There also won’t be any huge superstars able to get free agency this year, so role players is really all we need, especially with Roy just getting better and better.

However, since Darius has played in 8 games already for the Celtics and Gizzlies, The Blazers sent out a letter to all the teams in the league saying, “Hey, please don’t sign darius, he’s unfit to play. Also, we’ll sue the shit out of you if you do because Paul Allen has tons of money and you’re tampering with his investment.”

Jeff's guide to not looking stupid:
+/- is an absolutely terrible stat, so don't use it, and don't give up on young players before they turn 24.
54!

by joof on Jan 9, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

no, white

Where I work in the summer the waitresses call me “Socks” because I run around in tube socks and shorts. At this point I can’t switch because it’s part of my identity

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by Corco on Jan 9, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not dispensing fashion advice

I’m just scared of the thought of having to wear black socks

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by Corco on Jan 9, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I was there once when it was 87 degrees in London

you would swear it was the Blitz all over again the way people were complaining about it. The only unpleasant part was the Tube, which is not air conditioned and was unbelievably miserable.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

And I was there in the 2006 heat wave

Really remarkable how hot London gets when the temp. is above 80. Around here, eh, not a big deal. In a gigantic cement/stone slab with zero air conditioning anywhere, it uh, it takes it out of view. How did it compare to the equiv. temperature at home in your mind?

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

The time I was there during heat

it did feel a lot hotter in buildings than it does here. My last night there during the heat (I think this was in 1994 or 95), I wasn’t able to fly when I was supposed to (I was on standby) so I got a room in a hotel right by Heathrow. The room was very well prepared for winter – windows sealed shut, no A/C, heated bathroom floors, anemic fan – but not for 85 degree heat.

By the end of the night I was sleeping in a pool of my own sweat and swearing that I’d never go back to England in the summer, just in case.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

My good friend swears he'll never go back to the UK during the summer.

It’s weird – I was there last summer and just got rained on. It felt like October. He views London as basically an urban Sahara, and Scotland as the edge of habitability (it was over 80 in Scotland as well, though it felt much better due to being less built-up).
I’d much prefer to go during the Autumn anyway, just for Futbol purposes… sadly, my work schedule will probably never allow that.

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I got snowed on in Edinburgh in May once

that was utterly bizarre.

Despite my vow, I actually don’t mind England in the summer these days – there’s really no bad time to go there, the weather’s not that different from the northwest most of the time.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep.

I still think it’s sort of funny that my friend thinks Glasgow has comparable summer weather to, oh, Los Angeles.

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think they'll throw you in the Tower of London, Corco.

Worst case scenario is people point and laugh, but you should be plenty used to that by now.

by Aaron Campeau on Jan 9, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You know you don't actually have to adopt the local dress customs of places you go, right?

I’ve been to Europe countless times and STILL don’t own any bright orange pants.
I go to the UK more, and still wouldn’t rock sandals and black socks.

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I wear black socks.

As long as I also wear black shoes, I’m always ready for anything.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Shorts demand white socks. Even with black shoes.

I’m mocked every time I go over there but I will not bend on this.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

When I still wore shorts I wore black sock sometimes.

I kinda looked like a hesher then (even more than I do now) though.

by Aaron Campeau on Jan 9, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Fashion Disasters: When I was a child I was a Michael JAckson FREAK.

I had an exact copy of the red leather jacket he wears in the Beat It video and I refused to leave the house without my one white sequined glove.

I also had a mullet for most of my childhood. My mother still thinks it is the height of male hair fashion.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Jan 9, 2009 10:21 AM PST reply actions  

Nothing you do before 12 is a fashion disaster.

I think all six year olds should have the right to pick out their own clothes and dress themselves because the results are hilarious.

by Aaron Campeau on Jan 9, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I rocked the mullet with a "spike" for about two years.

Most embarrasing years of my life.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Jan 9, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

that's creepy

My grandmother wanted to keep my wisdom teeth when I had them removed. I told her they were getting disposed of, and she was legitimately disappointed.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Bone chips, at most.

Her daughters have both put in their wills that they must not spend even a moment in her closet.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

During the time when people tend to commit their most egregious crimes against fashion

(that would be high-school) I was absolutely obsessed with 60s punk. So typically I wore skintight Levi’s, a black leather jacket and plain t-shirts or plaids. I had a habit of wearing sunglasses at all times and wore nothing but black Chucks for like five years.

So basically, I looked awesome.

by Aaron Campeau on Jan 9, 2009 10:28 AM PST reply actions  

I really liked T.Rex when I was in high school

yet I lacked the guts to try to look like Marc Bolan. I still kinda regret this.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

That would have led to :

A)-Lots of ass-kickngs.
B)-Lots of action.
C)-Both.

Would have been worth it.

by Aaron Campeau on Jan 9, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

My 39-year-old self totally agrees with this

but my 17-year-old self stopped reading that list at item A and chickened out.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I dressed the way I did mainly because I thought it looked cool

but also because I knew I would probably never have to fight anyone if I did.

by Aaron Campeau on Jan 9, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh I get it.

The Levi’s, right? No, we’re talking buy a pair of shrink-to-fit 501s, put them on and lie in a hot bathtub for two hours skintight.

by Aaron Campeau on Jan 9, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

By the time I was a junior in HS, I had pretty much gone to jeans and a t-shirt as my only outfit.

But middle school and the first two years of high school were a disaster.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Jan 9, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

During high school

I’d wear a black sports coat over an un-buttoned collared shirt and jeans. My excuse was that I’d be heading to work after school, so I had a pair of slacks and a tie in my car.

Truth is I thought it looked awesome.

by BrianL on Jan 9, 2009 10:32 AM PST reply actions  

Actually, this reminds me

I have taken to wearing my suit coat over my typical t-shirt and slacks getup as my regular coat, and it’s had a noticeable effect on how people perceive me. Go figure.

by Gomez on Jan 9, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of fashion

Is it reasonable to show up for the first day of classes at these big schools in a full black suit?

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by Corco on Jan 9, 2009 10:38 AM PST reply actions  

nope

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by Corco on Jan 9, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

That's exactly what would happen.

If you make a big first impression, it will stick with you forever.

It’s a high-risk, high-reward manoeuvre.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Why the heck not?

Although I’m guessing – having never been there this is just a guess – that student populations in Wyoming aren’t big fans of individuality. But if you’re comfortable with it, go for it.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Wyoming is a weird place.

It seems like it would be super socially conservative, but there are so many “off-the-grid” hippie types there that people just sort of leave each other alone. (This has been my experience at least.)

by Aaron Campeau on Jan 9, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I just wonder if that extends to college campuses though

Again, I haven’t been on a college campus in forever, but when I was in college individuality of dress was, shall we say, not prized. Not that we all dressed up, but if you were a guy and you didn’t wear either sweats or shorts or jeans, there was something not right with you.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Wearing a suit makes me a vagina?

Dear god

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org

by Corco on Jan 9, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I wear suits all the time

But I would consider someone who shows up to university wearing a suit to the first day of lectures a complete fuckwad.

by Graham MacAree on Jan 9, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Feeding off what AC said earlier,

Wearing a suit in order to be “that wacky guy” in a situation that calls for extremely casual attire makes you look at least somewhat attention-starved and self-centered. Or it makes you look like you’re running for student government. These aren’t mutually exclusive, obviously.

by Teej on Jan 9, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I figured.

Just saying, that’s what my cynical, prickish brain thinks when I see someone extremely overdressed for the occasion/environment.

But I also don’t own a suit and have had exactly one job interview since I was 16, so maybe I just don’t understand how wonderful a suit can really be.

by Teej on Jan 9, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Suits are excellent

But overdressing for an event is as much of a faux pas as underdressing.

by Graham MacAree on Jan 9, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

We had one formal dance a year in college and people would wear black suits

and I’d show up wearing a gray suit. Nobody else had a non-dark suit. It was just different enough to work, but not too different to make people think “what the hell?”

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jan 9, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

showing up to the first day of class in a suit makes you a tool.

And as someone who goes to work every day in at least a shirt and tie, I’m not just saying this because I think suits are for tools. If you feel a SEVERE need to make a good impression, wear a button up, neat, but untucked and open at the neck. Don’t go insane.

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Jan 9, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

but that doesn't mean you have to continue being said tool

you’re in a new place, meeting all new people. Nobody knows you there, nobody knows you’re “the tool”. So don’t be “the tool”. Be something less toolsy.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

The lesson here is don't repeat what brought you to southeastern Wyoming.

It’s time for Corco Mk. 2. Be a better Corco.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

That's the plan

We’ll see what happens

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by Corco on Jan 9, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I wish you luck sir

This is a great opportunity for you, have fun with it.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Every place I've ever been there's been establishment, and the people that are outside of said establishement.

Trying to carve out some space for self-expression and individuality can be difficult. Highschool through college years can be an excruciatingly painful period of time, good luck with that.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Jan 9, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

College was awesome.

People leave you alone, and you can genuinely be whoever you want without any pressure.

That’s how I found it. It was great.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

One of the kids at my school showed up to the first day of their business classes in a suit, and the teacher gave him the text book for free for look proffessional or something.

Jeff's guide to not looking stupid:
+/- is an absolutely terrible stat, so don't use it, and don't give up on young players before they turn 24.
54!

by joof on Jan 9, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Wearing a suit to class is always your prerogative

I’ve seen many students do it and other than being a topic for small talk, it’s not a big deal.

by Gomez on Jan 9, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Suits are always around at my school.

But that’s because I’m in the business school. I didn’t think it was such a big deal to wear a suit, but I guess it is. Even then, people go to work before or after class and wear their suits so they don’t have to change.

by Wilder. on Jan 9, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone use Lala?

I think I remember Matthew mentioning it. I haven’t tried it yet, but apparently you can rip all your music from your CDs and have access to them on the Web at a high quality for free. Assuming it works when I try it at home, this is awesome.

by Teej on Jan 9, 2009 11:13 AM PST reply actions  

Ugh. . .

DLC for Rock Band this week will be a healthy dose of Lenny Kravitz.

How the hell do follow up Roy Orbison with Lenny Fucking Kravitz?

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Jan 9, 2009 11:45 AM PST reply actions  

I'm 2 halves.

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Jan 9, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Words really fail to describe how bad that cover is.

It isn’t Madonna’s America Pie bad, but it’s close.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Jan 9, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it might be worse.

The only recent cover that I think is worse that American Woman is Sheryl Crow doing Sweet Child O Mine.

by Aaron Campeau on Jan 9, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

The studio version of Lucinda Williams' cover of

It’s A Long Way To The Top (If You Wanna Rock n Roll) is pretty damned bad. It was cool live, though.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

And it was a hit.

Lenny Kravitz undeniably had a hit with that song.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of hooky pop music.

I can’t get this song out of my head, The Ettes- Crown of Age. The drummer is my new rock chick crush, whats up with those?

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Jan 9, 2009 12:01 PM PST reply actions  

Hah, and it's down officially.

Who had 41 minutes in the death pool?

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I got it downloaded and I'm burning it to DVD right now.

Problem is, one still has to go through the official channel to get the license key. The direct download just gives you the iso. This article says:

Update No. 4: They are adding more servers before "turning them on." From a spokesman (at 12:20 PT): "Due to very heavy traffic we’re seeing as a result of interest in the Windows 7 Beta, we are adding some additional infrastructure support to Microsoft.com properties before we post the public Beta today. We want to ensure customers have the best possible experience when downloading the Beta, and will be in touch once the Beta goes live."

by Goose on Jan 9, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I've never really dressed all that silly.

Through high school, I never really wanted to stand out much, so I always just wore jeans, some sort of white or gray t-shirt, and a hoody if it was cold. I could see that being a fashion don’t, but really it was just boring. Only recently have I expanded my wardrobe to include complex things like color or shirts that aren’t t-shirts. I also hate feeling like I’m too formal or too casually dressed.

In fact, I’m just going to say clothing is stupid. Fasion is stupid and I don’t get it at all.

Jeff's guide to not looking stupid:
+/- is an absolutely terrible stat, so don't use it, and don't give up on young players before they turn 24.
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by joof on Jan 9, 2009 12:20 PM PST reply actions  

Fashion is stupid.

Who gives a shit what other people wear?

by Goose on Jan 9, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

And if you wear basic t-shirt/polo/jeans/khaki type stuff, that impression is

“I’m not interested in fashion but I’m smart enough not to look like a moron” which is a decent enough impression to make.

by Aaron Campeau on Jan 9, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Which is dumb.

Who you are and how you act should be what leaves the impression.

by Goose on Jan 9, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

While I dislike the concept of fashion,

I recognize that how you dress is a part of how you act. It is an action you take, much in the way making a resume or shaving or bathing is.

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Aside from the subject line, this.

Yes, perhaps things should be different, but guess what? They’re not. There are lots of things you have to do in life that you don’t necessarily want to do, but they’re part of being an adult. You can either do them or deal with the consequences of not doing them. Your choice.

by Aaron Campeau on Jan 9, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm all for dressing up a certain way in certain situations.

My thing is that the focus shouldn’t be on the dress or necessarily how you look in general. In today’s society it seems to be about 75% appearance, 25% how you behave. And IMO it should be closer to 50-50, maybe even 60-40 in favor of behavior.

by Goose on Jan 9, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Nobody disputes that I don't think

but the operational reality of the world states that if I go to a job interview wearing shorts and flip flops I will not be taken seriously despite the fact that I am damn good at what I do. Should it be this way? No, it should not, but as ac alluded to, “playing the game” to a certain extent is all part of being a grownup.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I have not hired people based on the way they dressed for an interview

because the way they looked made me not even want to listen to what they had to say.

by Aaron Campeau on Jan 9, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you.

My company uses that for our official font, and it looks like crap.

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think it looks like crap necessarily

it’s just ridiculously overused. I’m going to take a camera and do a scavenger hunt for Trajan.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jan 9, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Things need to have lowercase letters.

/rant

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

See it's stuff like this I don't understand.

You would turn down a potentially good worker just because you don’t like how they dressed for an interview? You’d rather hire somebody who dressed better even though they are potentially an inferior worker?

I realize that’s how the world works, but man somebody needs to explain the logic of that to me.

by Goose on Jan 9, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

In a nutshell, for me, it's this.

If you can’t understand the formality that is a job interview, and don’t respect the process enough to dress appropriately for what, ultimately, is an hour out of your life, what does that tell me about your level of respect for any of the other rules of my workplace and your willingness to follow them?

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I think what they are saying is that there is a certain bar people have to be over to be employable.

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep.

I don’t ask much; just don’t wear sweatpants/flip-flops/clothes with holes in them to an interview.

by Aaron Campeau on Jan 9, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

But what about the really trendy pre-ripped stuff?

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it looks ridiculous, but as long as it's not extreme whatever.

There’s a difference between pre-stressed jeans and a t-shirt with a hole in the armpit.

by Aaron Campeau on Jan 9, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

If you don't have your shit together enough to dress appropriately for a job interview

the chances of you having your shit together enough to be worth hiring aren’t very good. Especially once you consider that when you work in a retail in environment you have to do a lot of things that seem stupid.

by Aaron Campeau on Jan 9, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I work in an office.

Since you never know how formal an office is going to be before you get there, you should wear a suit to an office interview.

I wore a suit for my interview, and upon seeing the place I’ve never worn a suit here again (and I’ve worked here for 8 years).

When hiring an assistant, I specifically went looking for super-nerds with no social skills. I advertised on autistic community web sites. And without telling them what I expected, I wanted them to show up in a suit.

I don’t need them to care about society’s rules, and a lot of the job involves knowing how stupid those rules are, but before you know that you should probably wear a suit to the interview, and whether they do that tells me how well they’ve learned how society works.

They don’t need to like it, and for the most part they don’t even need to play the game, but they need to know the rules of the game, and wearing a suit demonstrates that.

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by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Except the way you dress

<strong>is</strong> part of the way you act.

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jan 9, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I think what Goose is saying is that it's a miniscule part of the way you act

OK, not YOU in this context, but for many, many people (myself included), it is not a conscious part of one’s behavior. It’s the result of conditioning that if you go out without being dressed, people call the cops. Fine, I’ll throw something on.

I think the problem here is that this line of argument (X is part of who you are/the way you act/says a lot about you) is continually pushed by companies selling everything from watches to cars to shampoo to light beer. And we all know it’s bullshit, and even the companies themselves often give you a sly wink – not even THEY fully believe it. So it’s just difficult to hear things like that and not think, “Oh great, someone wants to sell me something.”

I fully comprehend the idea that if I were to wear sandals and a t-shirt to a job interview, I wouldn’t get hired – I would be displaying ignorance or contempt for the job requirements, which include looking professional. But as I’ve tried to articulate before, sometimes I just want to go to the bar. What Goose and I are saying is that not all social situations are akin to job interviews, and to the degree that societies MAKES things akin to a job interview, well that’s too bad. It may be true, and we may pay some consequences for that, but I don’t feel like a fuck-up for not ‘shaping up’ or ‘dressing better’ or whatever.

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Let me say again;

I don’t give a shit what other people wear unless they’re trying to look fashionable and failing miserably or show contempt for good taste. As long as you don’t look like a goddamned moron, I couldn’t care less.

I care how I look, I like wearing fashionable clothes and I notice other people that dress well. It’s an interest of mine; nothing more. But it is really interesting to me and a lot of other people, so when someone says “fashion is stupid” I am going to call bullshit and I have every right to do so.

by Aaron Campeau on Jan 9, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

At the same time, I'm sure there are things you think are a waste of time, and therefore "stupid".

Whenever I hear this argument, I always replace “stupid” with “waste of time/money/whatever”. It makes things much easier on me.

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Things that don't interest me are just that.

I don’t judge other people’s hobbies/interests for the most part, and I’d rather they extend the same courtesy to me.

by Aaron Campeau on Jan 9, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

What I'm saying is you just have to replace that word in your mind when you read it.

Stupid is one of those catchall words that means pretty much anything someone doesn’t like. It doesn’t mean they’re insulting you or what you like, it just means that they aren’t using the most precise words for it .

Putting your rebuttal in terms of “is not” isn’t going to help your case, because stupid to them means something different than stupid to you. You’re arguing apples to oranges at that point, and getting nowhere.

The way to rebut that line of thought is to find out if they really just mean waste of time, and then suggest better words (if the situation could use it), or just let it slide.

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I understand what you mean, but it's still annoying to me.

Saying “X band sucks” or “Y movie was terrible” is one thing, because it’s a matter of taste. Saying “music sucks” or “movies are stupid” is another.

by Aaron Campeau on Jan 9, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not, really.

Because they aren’t saying “movies are stupid” in the way that you think, because you have a different definition of stupid. They are using it (in most cases) like how I’m trying to explain, in a “waste of x” sense.

To them, it is a taste issue, just like “band x sucks”.

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't see it that way

but we’re arguing semantics, which is never productive. I just think people should realize that fashion is a much broader term than they seem to think it is.

by Aaron Campeau on Jan 9, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

That's perfectly fair

I think some of us simply want to opt out, and it’s really quite easy to do. The angst from the non-fashionable comes from being told that there IS no opt out. You haven’t said that, so I’m not picking on you here.
Certain people may dismiss you in some social setting based on your attire, and for what it’s worth, BOTH groups in that situation have probably made a really great, efficient move. ‘Fashion’ is a form of signaling. But it will always be relied upon more by people who are attuned to its meaning – which is great. I cannot imagine talking about clothes if I’m in a bar, and based on what I wear, it’ll probably never just randomly come up.

I realize a great deal of this for me is that work makes me wear suits rather a lot, and there are times when I have to make decisions about which suit to buy (in that sense, I can’t opt out all the time). This simply means when I’m on my own time, I really don’t want to think about clothing at all. I don’t want to speak about clothing, or think about clothing, etc.

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

But being concerned about that impression is a choice.

Indifference is an option.

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by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't need the money now but I like keeping my bank account above a certain threshold

and this would allow it to happen.

That said I also hate needles

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by Corco on Jan 9, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, it is

IN college a roommate of mine worked at the Puget Sound Blood Center, and I donated plasma once. It’s unbelievably painful – and I don’t mind needles or giving blood.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

That does seem the better way to go

especially in a sparsely populated state like Wyoming.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions