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OTFPOTD 1/9/09 - Fashion Suicide edition

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I needed an excuse to post this lovely picture of Ichiro, so here's the question - what's the most regrettable fashion decision you've made in your life?  When I was in high school, there were several occasions where I rocked the baggy shorts and high-top Air Jordans, which doesn't sound too unfortunate until you realize that the shorts were not too dissimilar, color-and-pattern-wise, from what Ichiro's wearing there.  But in my defense, it was 1985.

I also owned parachute pants.

Did I mention I can't wait until baseball starts up again in earnest?  I'm sick of this no-baseball crap.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 9:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I was just reminded by a family member

That for a whole summer I once wore a roach clip with feathers in my hair. I attached a frigging ROACH CLIP to my hair. What kind of genius came up with that one?

by royalcurve on Jan 9, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That was trendy. I remember that summer.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"How'd you get the name smoky?"

“Got my name in better times kid. . . got my name in better times. (sigh)”

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Jan 9, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I had a huge crush on a girl that did that every day for about six months

Oh, Amy Ryan, what are you doing these days? sigh.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

if only that were her

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

but better in The Wire

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Jan 9, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh dear God my eyes.

I was a leggings-neon slouch socks-giant tee shirt tied up at the waist kind of gal. Oh, and the side ponytail.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jan 9, 2009 10:02 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

No not Tina that was the llama

the girl whose name I can’t remember. I do not in any way think of you as a llama.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Deb.

Who is now on Big Love, which starts next weekend.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You recommend?

I watched the first two or three episodes when it started a few years ago, but I never got hooked. My girlfriend got a lot farther and has been trying to get me to watch it. The ads look good, and I’m interested in the subject matter. I should probably give it another shot.

by Teej on Jan 9, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Highly.

It’s definitely a slow burn, rather than a lot of crazy action, but stick with it and by the middle of Season 1 you’ll be hooked.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes yes yes.

I love that show so much.

by Phildopip on Jan 9, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In 7th grade there was a neon explosion, and everything you wore had to be neon.

Unfortunately I succumbed to this fashion pressure and went to school wearing a neon green overalls with a neon pink sweatshirt over the top. Oh, and some of those huge, plastic triangle earrings. That day, walking through the 9th grade hall to class, was the first time I got beat up.

In high school I was a skater betty, then a bat caver. But not really full goth, like white makeup and sadness – I was always too friendly for that. I went with a new wave look. Pointy buckle shoes from Na Na, Bauhaus tshirts and black skirts with black footless tights. Over this I’d throw my leather jacket (complete with paint pen art and a Mercedes decal on one shoulder).

by royalcurve on Jan 9, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My wife called herself "the perky goth"

because she went full-on goth in her dress (fishnets under ripped jeans, black lipstick/nail polish/eyeshadow, lots of ankhs and crosses around her neck) but she was still friendly enough. I would have paid any amount to see her in person back then – the pictures are awesome.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Regrettable...hmmm

I was just talking about this the other day; in the…what, late 80s? there was a strange trend for it to be acceptable, and even desirable, for men to wear things with hot pink accenting. So I had a ski jacket that was black and hot pink. Probably the most fashionable thing I’ve ever owned, and also the dumbest.
That trend ended and hot pink was replaces with purple, hence the Colorado Rockies.

I never owned parachute pants.

As an off-topic rant from this off-topic post, let me just say that Bob Stoops lost the championship game, and probably lost a lot of bettors a ton of money. Two possessions inside the 10 get you a whopping 0 points? I know a lot of people hate it when coaches throw in short yardage situations, but I hate it more when coaches run four straight dives because damn it, that’s what Vince Lombardi would do (it also means that sportwriters won’t second guess you, because that’s tough, manly football, without any of these sissy, euro-trash, techno-music play action passes). Oklahoma was the better team, but Florida made some huge plays (the two interceptions were amazing, and neither was really Bradford’s fault… the defensive players just made better plays than the receivers).

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 10:04 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

"Euro-trash, techno-music play action passes"

That was a pretty nice rant, I think that line is a phenomenal piece of work.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Jan 9, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My ski jacket was hot pink.

With purple piping. Man, I was styling.

My hair was spiked, too. That was before I grew my killer mullet in high school (I wanted to look like Brutus “the Barber” Beefcake).

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHA

I keep finding old pictures, since we moved recently and are sorting through boxes. Tromping around Germany in my pink coat and neon T-shirt seems to be cropping up a lot more frequently than I’d like to admit. Well, it was 1989, so…

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by PositivePaul on Jan 9, 2009 10:05 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I had a mullet, because the Bash Brothers did.

This being the same time that I would wear my Alf tank-top, and my red, white, and blue clam-digger shorts. Oh yes, don’t forget the black-framed, multi-color-lensed sunglasses, complete with geek-strap.

by Phildopip on Jan 9, 2009 10:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

So this is the scene heading out of Grays Harbor this morning.

I’m gonna be pissed if this isn’t cleared up by tomorrow.

by Goose on Jan 9, 2009 10:09 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

They're at least saying I-5 will be open this afternoon

and that flood waters are supposed to start to recede all over western WA today, so you should be OK by tomorrow I’d think.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The I-5 flooding has completely killed our parts deliveries here at my work

Nobody can get anything up here because most of the parts warehouses are located in Portland and California. I have like 3 cars waiting on simple little shit and I can do nothing but wait

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by tootthekazoo on Jan 9, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Go north through Port Angeles and take a ferry across???

Granted that’s a few hours longer than a normal commute, but hey, if you’re desperate…

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by PositivePaul on Jan 9, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not that desperate.

If the roads are still shut down, I’m not coming.

by Goose on Jan 9, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Have you guys seen this whole thing with the Blazers and Darius Miles?

I’m not much of a basketball fan, and I find salary caps to be confusing and stupid, so I’m fascinated/confused by this.

by Teej on Jan 9, 2009 10:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

So out of the major sports, only baseball has guaranteed contracts?

Is this correct? Basketball and football confuse the crap out of me, especially basketball. Seems like they sign guys for umpteen millions, then never really have to pay it. I don’t get it.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Jan 9, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think basketball's are guaranteed too

which is the problem in this case – the guarantee falls to Portland, even though Miles was released as a medical retirement. THAT’S the part I don’t understand – why the guarantee doesn’t travel to the team that a player goes to when he departs.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's really lazy of me, but when people say the NBA business model is broken, I just agree with the idea.

Players move around so much, and the contracts seem astronomical. It’s like baseball on speed, way to fast for me.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Jan 9, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm kinda the same way really

I don’t really understand the point of a league where a trade is more about “clearing cap space” than it is about acquiring talented players – the NBA cap is so Byzantine and detailed that there’s no way a casual fan like myself can ever make sense of it.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I was tracking until midway throught the Bi-Annual exemption.

Does Boras represent any basketball players? Thats so complicated there has to be more loop holes than an afghan rug, tailor made for a guy like him.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Jan 9, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And if you REALLY want to keep going with the cap

there’s this.

I’d care more if the league didn’t demonstrate just how little they care about fans by ripping the Sonics out of seattle, so I don’t really follow the cap or basically anything anymore.

No, Boras is strictly a baseball guy.

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

.
why the guarantee doesn’t travel to the team that a player goes to when he departs.

Same thing can happen in baseball, though. Remember Sexson clearing waivers and then was released outright? The Yankees picked him up, but then the Mariners had to pick up the paycheck.

by Wilder. on Jan 9, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Basketballs are garenteed.

It’s just that the Blazers moved to declare Darius unfit to play. An independent doctor confirmed this, so the insurance took over, and payed Darius. As it was because of being ruled medically unfit, the league rules say that Darius’s contract comes off of Portland’s cap space, unless he plays in 10 games, and then the money goes back on the cap.

The contract shouldn’t matter that much, as it brings our open cap space from around 20 million to 10 million, and you can still get quality players for that much. There also won’t be any huge superstars able to get free agency this year, so role players is really all we need, especially with Roy just getting better and better.

However, since Darius has played in 8 games already for the Celtics and Gizzlies, The Blazers sent out a letter to all the teams in the league saying, “Hey, please don’t sign darius, he’s unfit to play. Also, we’ll sue the shit out of you if you do because Paul Allen has tons of money and you’re tampering with his investment.”

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+/- is an absolutely terrible stat, so don't use it, and don't give up on young players before they turn 24.
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by joof on Jan 9, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

no, white

Where I work in the summer the waitresses call me “Socks” because I run around in tube socks and shorts. At this point I can’t switch because it’s part of my identity

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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 9, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not dispensing fashion advice

I’m just scared of the thought of having to wear black socks

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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 9, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was there once when it was 87 degrees in London

you would swear it was the Blitz all over again the way people were complaining about it. The only unpleasant part was the Tube, which is not air conditioned and was unbelievably miserable.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And I was there in the 2006 heat wave

Really remarkable how hot London gets when the temp. is above 80. Around here, eh, not a big deal. In a gigantic cement/stone slab with zero air conditioning anywhere, it uh, it takes it out of view. How did it compare to the equiv. temperature at home in your mind?

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The time I was there during heat

it did feel a lot hotter in buildings than it does here. My last night there during the heat (I think this was in 1994 or 95), I wasn’t able to fly when I was supposed to (I was on standby) so I got a room in a hotel right by Heathrow. The room was very well prepared for winter – windows sealed shut, no A/C, heated bathroom floors, anemic fan – but not for 85 degree heat.

By the end of the night I was sleeping in a pool of my own sweat and swearing that I’d never go back to England in the summer, just in case.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My good friend swears he'll never go back to the UK during the summer.

It’s weird – I was there last summer and just got rained on. It felt like October. He views London as basically an urban Sahara, and Scotland as the edge of habitability (it was over 80 in Scotland as well, though it felt much better due to being less built-up).
I’d much prefer to go during the Autumn anyway, just for Futbol purposes… sadly, my work schedule will probably never allow that.

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I got snowed on in Edinburgh in May once

that was utterly bizarre.

Despite my vow, I actually don’t mind England in the summer these days – there’s really no bad time to go there, the weather’s not that different from the northwest most of the time.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

I still think it’s sort of funny that my friend thinks Glasgow has comparable summer weather to, oh, Los Angeles.

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think they'll throw you in the Tower of London, Corco.

Worst case scenario is people point and laugh, but you should be plenty used to that by now.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You know you don't actually have to adopt the local dress customs of places you go, right?

I’ve been to Europe countless times and STILL don’t own any bright orange pants.
I go to the UK more, and still wouldn’t rock sandals and black socks.

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I do.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wear black socks.

As long as I also wear black shoes, I’m always ready for anything.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Shorts demand white socks. Even with black shoes.

I’m mocked every time I go over there but I will not bend on this.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When I still wore shorts I wore black sock sometimes.

I kinda looked like a hesher then (even more than I do now) though.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

On a 92 degree day I refuse to wear long pants.

Hell, on an 82 degree day I refuse to wear long pants.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fashion Disasters: When I was a child I was a Michael JAckson FREAK.

I had an exact copy of the red leather jacket he wears in the Beat It video and I refused to leave the house without my one white sequined glove.

I also had a mullet for most of my childhood. My mother still thinks it is the height of male hair fashion.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Jan 9, 2009 10:21 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nothing you do before 12 is a fashion disaster.

I think all six year olds should have the right to pick out their own clothes and dress themselves because the results are hilarious.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that would be awesome.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I rocked the mullet with a "spike" for about two years.

Most embarrasing years of my life.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Jan 9, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I had a braided rat tail that went to the middle of my back.

My mom still has it in a keepsake box, which is disgusting.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that's creepy

My grandmother wanted to keep my wisdom teeth when I had them removed. I told her they were getting disposed of, and she was legitimately disappointed.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

at least not intact ones

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bone chips, at most.

Her daughters have both put in their wills that they must not spend even a moment in her closet.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I will avoid making a lesbian joke.

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Jan 9, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

During the time when people tend to commit their most egregious crimes against fashion

(that would be high-school) I was absolutely obsessed with 60s punk. So typically I wore skintight Levi’s, a black leather jacket and plain t-shirts or plaids. I had a habit of wearing sunglasses at all times and wore nothing but black Chucks for like five years.

So basically, I looked awesome.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 10:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I really liked T.Rex when I was in high school

yet I lacked the guts to try to look like Marc Bolan. I still kinda regret this.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That would have led to :

A)-Lots of ass-kickngs.
B)-Lots of action.
C)-Both.

Would have been worth it.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My 39-year-old self totally agrees with this

but my 17-year-old self stopped reading that list at item A and chickened out.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I dressed the way I did mainly because I thought it looked cool

but also because I knew I would probably never have to fight anyone if I did.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I get it.

The Levi’s, right? No, we’re talking buy a pair of shrink-to-fit 501s, put them on and lie in a hot bathtub for two hours skintight.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

By the time I was a junior in HS, I had pretty much gone to jeans and a t-shirt as my only outfit.

But middle school and the first two years of high school were a disaster.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Jan 9, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

During high school

I’d wear a black sports coat over an un-buttoned collared shirt and jeans. My excuse was that I’d be heading to work after school, so I had a pair of slacks and a tie in my car.

Truth is I thought it looked awesome.

by BrianL on Jan 9, 2009 10:32 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

And (this is something I still do) when I played jazz gigs I'd replace my normal glasses

with a set of black, horn-rimmed glasses. You know, the Drew Carey special.

by BrianL on Jan 9, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Elvis Costello.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wildly incorrect.

Also, fun fact: he had a one-night stand with the mother of one of my best friends in the late 60s. She gave him a bunch of Burt Bacharach records.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, this reminds me

I have taken to wearing my suit coat over my typical t-shirt and slacks getup as my regular coat, and it’s had a noticeable effect on how people perceive me. Go figure.

by Gomez on Jan 9, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of fashion

Is it reasonable to show up for the first day of classes at these big schools in a full black suit?

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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 9, 2009 10:38 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

nope

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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 9, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly what would happen.

If you make a big first impression, it will stick with you forever.

It’s a high-risk, high-reward manoeuvre.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why the heck not?

Although I’m guessing – having never been there this is just a guess – that student populations in Wyoming aren’t big fans of individuality. But if you’re comfortable with it, go for it.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wyoming is a weird place.

It seems like it would be super socially conservative, but there are so many “off-the-grid” hippie types there that people just sort of leave each other alone. (This has been my experience at least.)

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just wonder if that extends to college campuses though

Again, I haven’t been on a college campus in forever, but when I was in college individuality of dress was, shall we say, not prized. Not that we all dressed up, but if you were a guy and you didn’t wear either sweats or shorts or jeans, there was something not right with you.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wearing a suit makes me a vagina?

Dear god

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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 9, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wear suits all the time

But I would consider someone who shows up to university wearing a suit to the first day of lectures a complete fuckwad.

by Graham on Jan 9, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Last day of exams, maybe.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That is a perfectly acceptable time to be expressing your individuality

Especially because by then you aren’t just a random stranger

by Graham on Jan 9, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This was always my attitude.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like that idea

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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 9, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Feeding off what AC said earlier,

Wearing a suit in order to be “that wacky guy” in a situation that calls for extremely casual attire makes you look at least somewhat attention-starved and self-centered. Or it makes you look like you’re running for student government. These aren’t mutually exclusive, obviously.

by Teej on Jan 9, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I figured.

Just saying, that’s what my cynical, prickish brain thinks when I see someone extremely overdressed for the occasion/environment.

But I also don’t own a suit and have had exactly one job interview since I was 16, so maybe I just don’t understand how wonderful a suit can really be.

by Teej on Jan 9, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Suits are excellent

But overdressing for an event is as much of a faux pas as underdressing.

by Graham on Jan 9, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Incorrect, sir.

It is more of a faux pas to underdress than overdress. If you do not know, it is better to overdres

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jan 9, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

When you overdress, you can always shed clothing once you realize you’re overdressed.

by Gomez on Jan 9, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We had one formal dance a year in college and people would wear black suits

and I’d show up wearing a gray suit. Nobody else had a non-dark suit. It was just different enough to work, but not too different to make people think “what the hell?”

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jan 9, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

showing up to the first day of class in a suit makes you a tool.

And as someone who goes to work every day in at least a shirt and tie, I’m not just saying this because I think suits are for tools. If you feel a SEVERE need to make a good impression, wear a button up, neat, but untucked and open at the neck. Don’t go insane.

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by abender20 on Jan 9, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

but that doesn't mean you have to continue being said tool

you’re in a new place, meeting all new people. Nobody knows you there, nobody knows you’re “the tool”. So don’t be “the tool”. Be something less toolsy.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The lesson here is don't repeat what brought you to southeastern Wyoming.

It’s time for Corco Mk. 2. Be a better Corco.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the plan

We’ll see what happens

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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 9, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish you luck sir

This is a great opportunity for you, have fun with it.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Every place I've ever been there's been establishment, and the people that are outside of said establishement.

Trying to carve out some space for self-expression and individuality can be difficult. Highschool through college years can be an excruciatingly painful period of time, good luck with that.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Jan 9, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

College was awesome.

People leave you alone, and you can genuinely be whoever you want without any pressure.

That’s how I found it. It was great.

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by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One of the kids at my school showed up to the first day of their business classes in a suit, and the teacher gave him the text book for free for look proffessional or something.

Jeff's guide to not looking stupid:
+/- is an absolutely terrible stat, so don't use it, and don't give up on young players before they turn 24.
54!

by joof on Jan 9, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wearing a suit to class is always your prerogative

I’ve seen many students do it and other than being a topic for small talk, it’s not a big deal.

by Gomez on Jan 9, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Suits are always around at my school.

But that’s because I’m in the business school. I didn’t think it was such a big deal to wear a suit, but I guess it is. Even then, people go to work before or after class and wear their suits so they don’t have to change.

by Wilder. on Jan 9, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone use Lala?

I think I remember Matthew mentioning it. I haven’t tried it yet, but apparently you can rip all your music from your CDs and have access to them on the Web at a high quality for free. Assuming it works when I try it at home, this is awesome.

by Teej on Jan 9, 2009 11:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ugh. . .

DLC for Rock Band this week will be a healthy dose of Lenny Kravitz.

How the hell do follow up Roy Orbison with Lenny Fucking Kravitz?

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Jan 9, 2009 11:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm 2 halves.

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Jan 9, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I want to get away...

I wanna flyyyyyyyy awaaaaaaaay

by Phildopip on Jan 9, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OH DEAR GOD MAKE IT STOP

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

American womannnnnnnn stay away from meeeeee

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Jan 9, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But it was a cover and it was really awful?

Like, even worse than the rest of his stuff.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Words really fail to describe how bad that cover is.

It isn’t Madonna’s America Pie bad, but it’s close.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Jan 9, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it might be worse.

The only recent cover that I think is worse that American Woman is Sheryl Crow doing Sweet Child O Mine.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The studio version of Lucinda Williams' cover of

It’s A Long Way To The Top (If You Wanna Rock n Roll) is pretty damned bad. It was cool live, though.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And it was a hit.

Lenny Kravitz undeniably had a hit with that song.

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by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of hooky pop music.

I can’t get this song out of my head, The Ettes- Crown of Age. The drummer is my new rock chick crush, whats up with those?

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by Kermit. on Jan 9, 2009 12:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hah, and it's down officially.

Who had 41 minutes in the death pool?

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I got it downloaded and I'm burning it to DVD right now.

Problem is, one still has to go through the official channel to get the license key. The direct download just gives you the iso. This article says:

Update No. 4: They are adding more servers before "turning them on." From a spokesman (at 12:20 PT): "Due to very heavy traffic we’re seeing as a result of interest in the Windows 7 Beta, we are adding some additional infrastructure support to Microsoft.com properties before we post the public Beta today. We want to ensure customers have the best possible experience when downloading the Beta, and will be in touch once the Beta goes live."

by Goose on Jan 9, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought there was an upgrade option

and a full install ISO option.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jan 9, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I sure hope what I downloaded was the full ISO optin

because my promo copy of Vista is on my desk at work.

by BrianL on Jan 9, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Reports on that seem to conflict.

I don’t think I know the right answer.

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by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've never really dressed all that silly.

Through high school, I never really wanted to stand out much, so I always just wore jeans, some sort of white or gray t-shirt, and a hoody if it was cold. I could see that being a fashion don’t, but really it was just boring. Only recently have I expanded my wardrobe to include complex things like color or shirts that aren’t t-shirts. I also hate feeling like I’m too formal or too casually dressed.

In fact, I’m just going to say clothing is stupid. Fasion is stupid and I don’t get it at all.

Jeff's guide to not looking stupid:
+/- is an absolutely terrible stat, so don't use it, and don't give up on young players before they turn 24.
54!

by joof on Jan 9, 2009 12:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Fashion is stupid.

Who gives a shit what other people wear?

by Goose on Jan 9, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And if you wear basic t-shirt/polo/jeans/khaki type stuff, that impression is

“I’m not interested in fashion but I’m smart enough not to look like a moron” which is a decent enough impression to make.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Meh, I have to take along my sister or something when I go shopping for clothes just so I don't end up looking like a goober.

Jeff's guide to not looking stupid:
+/- is an absolutely terrible stat, so don't use it, and don't give up on young players before they turn 24.
54!

by joof on Jan 9, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Which is dumb.

Who you are and how you act should be what leaves the impression.

by Goose on Jan 9, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

While I dislike the concept of fashion,

I recognize that how you dress is a part of how you act. It is an action you take, much in the way making a resume or shaving or bathing is.

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Aside from the subject line, this.

Yes, perhaps things should be different, but guess what? They’re not. There are lots of things you have to do in life that you don’t necessarily want to do, but they’re part of being an adult. You can either do them or deal with the consequences of not doing them. Your choice.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm all for dressing up a certain way in certain situations.

My thing is that the focus shouldn’t be on the dress or necessarily how you look in general. In today’s society it seems to be about 75% appearance, 25% how you behave. And IMO it should be closer to 50-50, maybe even 60-40 in favor of behavior.

by Goose on Jan 9, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody disputes that I don't think

but the operational reality of the world states that if I go to a job interview wearing shorts and flip flops I will not be taken seriously despite the fact that I am damn good at what I do. Should it be this way? No, it should not, but as ac alluded to, “playing the game” to a certain extent is all part of being a grownup.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have not hired people based on the way they dressed for an interview

because the way they looked made me not even want to listen to what they had to say.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you.

My company uses that for our official font, and it looks like crap.

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it looks like crap necessarily

it’s just ridiculously overused. I’m going to take a camera and do a scavenger hunt for Trajan.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jan 9, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Things need to have lowercase letters.

/rant

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

See it's stuff like this I don't understand.

You would turn down a potentially good worker just because you don’t like how they dressed for an interview? You’d rather hire somebody who dressed better even though they are potentially an inferior worker?

I realize that’s how the world works, but man somebody needs to explain the logic of that to me.

by Goose on Jan 9, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In a nutshell, for me, it's this.

If you can’t understand the formality that is a job interview, and don’t respect the process enough to dress appropriately for what, ultimately, is an hour out of your life, what does that tell me about your level of respect for any of the other rules of my workplace and your willingness to follow them?

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think what they are saying is that there is a certain bar people have to be over to be employable.

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

I don’t ask much; just don’t wear sweatpants/flip-flops/clothes with holes in them to an interview.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But what about the really trendy pre-ripped stuff?

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it looks ridiculous, but as long as it's not extreme whatever.

There’s a difference between pre-stressed jeans and a t-shirt with a hole in the armpit.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If you don't have your shit together enough to dress appropriately for a job interview

the chances of you having your shit together enough to be worth hiring aren’t very good. Especially once you consider that when you work in a retail in environment you have to do a lot of things that seem stupid.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I work in an office.

Since you never know how formal an office is going to be before you get there, you should wear a suit to an office interview.

I wore a suit for my interview, and upon seeing the place I’ve never worn a suit here again (and I’ve worked here for 8 years).

When hiring an assistant, I specifically went looking for super-nerds with no social skills. I advertised on autistic community web sites. And without telling them what I expected, I wanted them to show up in a suit.

I don’t need them to care about society’s rules, and a lot of the job involves knowing how stupid those rules are, but before you know that you should probably wear a suit to the interview, and whether they do that tells me how well they’ve learned how society works.

They don’t need to like it, and for the most part they don’t even need to play the game, but they need to know the rules of the game, and wearing a suit demonstrates that.

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by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Except the way you dress

<strong>is</strong> part of the way you act.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jan 9, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think what Goose is saying is that it's a miniscule part of the way you act

OK, not YOU in this context, but for many, many people (myself included), it is not a conscious part of one’s behavior. It’s the result of conditioning that if you go out without being dressed, people call the cops. Fine, I’ll throw something on.

I think the problem here is that this line of argument (X is part of who you are/the way you act/says a lot about you) is continually pushed by companies selling everything from watches to cars to shampoo to light beer. And we all know it’s bullshit, and even the companies themselves often give you a sly wink – not even THEY fully believe it. So it’s just difficult to hear things like that and not think, “Oh great, someone wants to sell me something.”

I fully comprehend the idea that if I were to wear sandals and a t-shirt to a job interview, I wouldn’t get hired – I would be displaying ignorance or contempt for the job requirements, which include looking professional. But as I’ve tried to articulate before, sometimes I just want to go to the bar. What Goose and I are saying is that not all social situations are akin to job interviews, and to the degree that societies MAKES things akin to a job interview, well that’s too bad. It may be true, and we may pay some consequences for that, but I don’t feel like a fuck-up for not ‘shaping up’ or ‘dressing better’ or whatever.

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Let me say again;

I don’t give a shit what other people wear unless they’re trying to look fashionable and failing miserably or show contempt for good taste. As long as you don’t look like a goddamned moron, I couldn’t care less.

I care how I look, I like wearing fashionable clothes and I notice other people that dress well. It’s an interest of mine; nothing more. But it is really interesting to me and a lot of other people, so when someone says “fashion is stupid” I am going to call bullshit and I have every right to do so.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

At the same time, I'm sure there are things you think are a waste of time, and therefore "stupid".

Whenever I hear this argument, I always replace “stupid” with “waste of time/money/whatever”. It makes things much easier on me.

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Things that don't interest me are just that.

I don’t judge other people’s hobbies/interests for the most part, and I’d rather they extend the same courtesy to me.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What I'm saying is you just have to replace that word in your mind when you read it.

Stupid is one of those catchall words that means pretty much anything someone doesn’t like. It doesn’t mean they’re insulting you or what you like, it just means that they aren’t using the most precise words for it .

Putting your rebuttal in terms of “is not” isn’t going to help your case, because stupid to them means something different than stupid to you. You’re arguing apples to oranges at that point, and getting nowhere.

The way to rebut that line of thought is to find out if they really just mean waste of time, and then suggest better words (if the situation could use it), or just let it slide.

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand what you mean, but it's still annoying to me.

Saying “X band sucks” or “Y movie was terrible” is one thing, because it’s a matter of taste. Saying “music sucks” or “movies are stupid” is another.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not, really.

Because they aren’t saying “movies are stupid” in the way that you think, because you have a different definition of stupid. They are using it (in most cases) like how I’m trying to explain, in a “waste of x” sense.

To them, it is a taste issue, just like “band x sucks”.

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see it that way

but we’re arguing semantics, which is never productive. I just think people should realize that fashion is a much broader term than they seem to think it is.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's perfectly fair

I think some of us simply want to opt out, and it’s really quite easy to do. The angst from the non-fashionable comes from being told that there IS no opt out. You haven’t said that, so I’m not picking on you here.
Certain people may dismiss you in some social setting based on your attire, and for what it’s worth, BOTH groups in that situation have probably made a really great, efficient move. ‘Fashion’ is a form of signaling. But it will always be relied upon more by people who are attuned to its meaning – which is great. I cannot imagine talking about clothes if I’m in a bar, and based on what I wear, it’ll probably never just randomly come up.

I realize a great deal of this for me is that work makes me wear suits rather a lot, and there are times when I have to make decisions about which suit to buy (in that sense, I can’t opt out all the time). This simply means when I’m on my own time, I really don’t want to think about clothing at all. I don’t want to speak about clothing, or think about clothing, etc.

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But being concerned about that impression is a choice.

Indifference is an option.

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by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't need the money now but I like keeping my bank account above a certain threshold

and this would allow it to happen.

That said I also hate needles

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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 9, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, it is

IN college a roommate of mine worked at the Puget Sound Blood Center, and I donated plasma once. It’s unbelievably painful – and I don’t mind needles or giving blood.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That does seem the better way to go

especially in a sparsely populated state like Wyoming.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

$11.34/hr plus 58 cents a mile

Pretty good gig

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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 9, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You sure it's still 58?

Make sure, because the private business rate got knocked to .55 for 2009.

Link.

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The money's way better for platelets.

I can’t. Selling bodily fluids is illegal in Canada. But I used to work with a guy from Texas who paid his way through grad school partly by selling platelets.

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by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This doesn't look good.

It’s official, the P-I is up for sale and could shut down.

by Teej on Jan 9, 2009 1:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I posted this in yesterday's offtop but I'll post it here too

there is also a possibility that the New York Times could cease to exist by May of this year. As much as I want to say “there’s no way the fricking New York Times could go out of business” the reality is far different. I can’t imagine a world without NYT journalism in it.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that would be insane.

Outside of baseball, I spend more time on NYT than any other site. I can’t believe they’ve racked up that much debt. As pretty much the paper of record in the United States, it just can’t fail. It can’t!

Sigh.

At least its website is very good. I trust them more than most other news sources to run a web-only business well.

by Teej on Jan 9, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Their new 600M$ office probably didn't help any.

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's part of the problem

they built it and then mortgaged it to the hilt a couple times to keep the lights on, and a bunch of that debt comes due in the spring. They have no money to pay that debt.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they weren't aware that you have to actually pay back your debts.

Seems to be a confusing thing for a lot of people nowadays.

by Teej on Jan 9, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sing me Paradise By The Dashboard Light in its entirety

with harmony parts and your best Phil Rizzuto impersonation and I will buy you a sandwich.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Holy shit I hate that song.

Every single crap wedding or DJ hosted party has had it with a singing fight between the males and females. Just the mention of it makes my ears hurt.

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Should I know what this song is? I have never heard of it.

A singing fight between males and females at a wedding?!?

by royalcurve on Jan 9, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

GAH! NO! NO! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

I’d read this as “Paradise” by a band called The Dashboard Light.

I wish I hadn’t clicked on that link. I had buried that memory so completely!!!

by royalcurve on Jan 9, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

how can you not?

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My problem is with the video mostly.

I can’t hear the song and not see the video in my head, so the song is ruined also.

by royalcurve on Jan 9, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You've honestly never heard Meat Loaf's

“Paradise By The Dashboard Light”? Seriously?

Get thee to the YouTubes, woman! I see 108 beat me to the link…

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It sounds vaguely familiar, but the important thing is:

I’ve never seen a singing fight between the genders at a wedding. I’d like to, but it hasn’t happened to me yet.

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This song would do it.

And in all honesty, Bat Out Of Hell (the album Paradise By The Dashboard Light is on) is one of the most perfectly formed slices of cheese in the history of rock. It’s overwrought, it’s bombastic, it’s hyper-dramatic, and it’s awesome.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll put the video from my (something or other)s wedding on youtube someday.

It’s horrible drunken singing/shouting lyrics between a line of women and a line of men, a lot of which is sexual. Made slightly more amusing by the fact that they are related.

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Never the Grease song?

Or You’ve Lost that Loving Feeling?

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jan 9, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Guess I should go to more weddings....

I’ve seen lots of drunken singing, plenty of duets, but this Jets/Sharks dynamic sounds hilarious.

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Meat Loaf

Awesome.

I saw Meat Loaf live on his Bat Out Of Hell III tour.

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by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The the credit market has dried up.

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by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't imagine what Sunday mornings would be like without the NYT

I’ve been a subscriber to the Sunday NYT for about 15 years now, and love my Sunday mornings reading the paper. Not that that’s justification for keeping it going, but still.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They supply a good third of Google News content.

I can see google stepping in, considering that it would probably only take a couple billion to buy the company outright.

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I want the level of journalism to stay the same though

and if they’re owned by a Google-type enterprise I would fear that the long-form, well-researched investigative stuff the NYT is really good at would go away in favor of paragraphs, higlights, and web-friendly sound bites.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They're going to have to cut 80% either was supposedly.

They aren’t going to be able to keep that level either way.

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have a feeling that the TPM style reporting is going to be the next big thing to come up.

You don’t think there’ll be sets of old-school journalists that figure out self-syndication will bring them some big bucks in exchange for breaks?

This article explains quite a bit of how a lot of insiders think news reporting is going to change in the mid term, and I don’t think it’s a horrible way to go. The Times has a institutional base that I think could really handle web publishing well, should they decide to.

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup.

As news moves to the web, the fact is Internet advertising doesn’t provide anything close to the revenue that print advertising does. A news organization dependent fully on web ad money is not going to have the revenue to finance in-depth stuff like that.

Newspapers are getting rid of their Washingon, D.C., bureaus because they can’t afford them anymore, and that leaves a massive void. The fewer reporters there are in Washington paying attention, the less scrutiny we can apply to our own government. I don’t know many bloggers who are willing to cover Washington on a full-time basis for the $17 a week they’ll get in Google Ad money.

by Teej on Jan 9, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I really hope that the idea of newspapers as philanthropy has legs.

I think enough people support things like the NYT to make it a reality, but we’ll see.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My theory/rant:

People love to write/opine/criticize/rant/etc. And a lot of them would do it for free. And people love to read that stuff. But no one wants to be a reporter for free. No one wants to work 8 a.m. to 9 p.m. chasing down sources and reading through minutes as a public service.

If no one’s out there finding what we should be opinionated about, then we’re stuck.

This is kind of a bigger idea than what we’re talking about. I just felt like getting it out.

by Teej on Jan 9, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of people DO do it for free

and a lot more people think that this free personal ranting and the expression of views of “the person on the street/internet/wherever” can be an adequate substitute for well thought out journalism. Those people are wrong.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the thing.

The blogosphere takes delight in the downfall of the established media while depending on the established media for 95% of their content.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"The bigger idea..." This is why I'd love to sit down over beers or a cup of coffee with some of you guys.

Things get so compressed/oversimplified in this format, some of these thread topics I’d like to hear what you guys have to say in-person, where you could sink your teeth into a topic and run with it.

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by Kermit. on Jan 9, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh for the old-timers morning convention over coffee down home!

They always called those bull sessions “solving world problems”.

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by Kermit. on Jan 9, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I know it

I just wish there were a place for both – I can get “new media” anywhere, and it’s perfectly serviceable, but I want to live in a world where NYT three-full-page stories have value too.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Quote from Dean Bacquet, former L.A. Times editor:
“First off, if we disappeared tomorrow, most of the people who call us dinosaurs would disappear, too,” he explains. “All the bloggers who exist to comment on us, the Googles and Yahoo!s … who rely on what we cover in the Middle East, who rely on what we write about in California, and the nation, and Washington; they wouldn’t exist if we didn’t. Our economic model is, obviously, threatened. But if we disappeared tomorrow, they might have to reinvent something that looks like us.”

by Teej on Jan 9, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They haven't run a non-web-only business well, it would appear.

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by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That is true.

I overspoke. I just wanted to say that they put out a great news website.

I had no idea they weren’t doing that well. Newspapers — even during the “OMG we need to lay off 15% of our work force!” nonsense — have always been highly profitable. Maybe a decade ago, a standard metro newspaper operated at a profit margin of around 15%. That has dropped, but I believe it’s still a profitable business for the most part. So I’m surprised that the Times managed to dig itself into a hole like this.

by Teej on Jan 9, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is it still profitable?

Ad revenues – TV, print, radio, whatever – are down sharply recently. The whole thing’s happened so quickly that I can imagine no business could really adjust in time.
The Tribune Company is in firesale mode (they were trying to offload the Cubs/Wrigley field to raise cash), and there’ve been rumors about the NYT selling low to Murdoch for a while.

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that many are still profitable

but they’re going to need to re-examine their business model to stay that way.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know for sure, but I think most are profitable.

Tribune is hosed because they took on a shitload of debt while trying to take the company private. That’s the big problem with them. Profit is falling, but it is still profit.

But AC’s right — for how long? I have no idea. Something has to change, because they’re never going to get that guaranteed money from classified ads and car dealers again.

by Teej on Jan 9, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just afraid that the things that need to change

aren’t going to be the things that do change.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I misspoke, the Tribune Co. is in bankruptcy. McClatchy is in trouble. Circulation is down double digits just within this decade.

That’s not even getting into the massive layoffs we’ve seen locally at the Tacoma News Tribune and Olympian. Most newspapers will probably not survive in their current form; I think that’s too bad, but there it is.
Like AC says, the key is how they change – I have no idea what they’ll do.

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

McClatchy got way too big for its britches.

I loved them back when they were the small, highly profitable family company that treated its employees better than pretty much any other news company. I always wanted to work for the TNT or one of the Bees. When they bought Knight-Ridder, I got scared.

by Teej on Jan 9, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Another one bites the dust?

link

Wonder how stable Hearst is…

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

City News Bureau of Chicago, that one made me a little sad.

Passing of a legend, end of an era type thing. I didn’t realize Kurt Vonnegut had passed through there until I read this article.

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by Kermit. on Jan 9, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Found a column at Poynter today.

Here’s the link, but I just wanted to post this paragraph (emphasis mine):

I also expect more papers — but only a few — to try omitting home delivery or any paper publication certain days of the week while retaining a print product on Sunday and perhaps a few other days. Though such moves would save a lot of money, I don’t think that justifies the loss of some advertising and circulation revenue for the great majority of papers that are still profitable. And there is a strategic risk of making the newspaper less available and less essential.

by Teej on Jan 9, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This may be another semantic argument

I mean, McClatchy seems to have had a profitable quarter/year….because they sold off a bunch of papers to raise money. They sacrificed a bunch of operations to spare the other ones…. so they’re profitable?

I think we’ll really be able to tell next year. You probably know: what percentage of ad revenue comes from autos and real estate? How’s that trending?

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You hit it on the head I think.

next year’s results will tell a lot more than this year’s. Additionally, I think that the NYT is a separate argument, since they haven’t historically relied on classified ads or car ads for a bulk of their revenue. When that Tiffany’s ad disappears from the top corner of A3 then you’ll know the Times is about to die.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I could give you a number, but it's a big chunk. And it's trending down, of course.

I’m no expert in the finances here. I just do my thing and try to be as versatile as I can.

by Teej on Jan 9, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Right. And I'm sure you'll always have a job because of it

I just don’t really know what the enterprise will look like.

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Holy balls

Makes me want to go out and get a subscription just to support it

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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 9, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but circulation really only helps in terms of ad rates.

The Times can charge a ton for them, sure, but if no one wants to buy the space, well…

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Drop the price?

I know car companies snap up a lot of the space and that industry’s eating paste, but this is where diversifying comes in! Retailers still want to advertise sales and such.

by Gomez on Jan 9, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But like Marc said, their operating costs are huge.

They maxed themselves out when things were going well, and now that they’re not they’re fucked. It’s sad, because they’re really valuable to society at large.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They'll need to somehow downsize

Maybe add a premium to the cost of the paper and cut circulation. They’ve certainly got big problems, and it’s going to take some big solutions to keep going.

by Gomez on Jan 9, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WTF iTunes?

They have an iTunes Essentials of 90’s One Hit Wonders that includes like 20 bands with numerous hits. I’m sorry, but the Cardigans are NOT a one hit wonder! They have like 6 albums. A lot of other questionable choices like Eve 6. Their biggest hit came of their second album and that isn’t even the one iTunes uses to define their one hit wonder status. How lame.

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by thewyrm on Jan 9, 2009 1:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I can't name another song outside of Lovefool.

Not even close.

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by abender20 on Jan 9, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't matter.

Was it a hit?

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by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes. They even performed it live at the Mtv Europe Video Awards.

It was a single of the Thirteenth Floor Soundtrack and the amazing album Gran Tourismo.

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by thewyrm on Jan 9, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

None of these things make it a "hit", though

Girls Aloud have performed at the MTV Europe Video Awards.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"My Favourite Game" was the theme song for GT2

The Cardigans are definitely not a one hit wonder. Stinking iTunes!

by Wilder. on Jan 9, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The title of the comp is "one hit wonders" though

and I couldn’t name a Cardigans song even though I know they had more than one album. I have this same problem with Dexy’s Midnight Runners – they’re a fantastic band with several good albums but they’re only identified as the “Come On Eileen” band. And that’s far and away their worst song, even though I love it.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 1:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

wow reply fail to thewyrm there.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Same deal with Devo for a lot of people, though not nearly to the same degree.

Most people think “Whip It” which is the worst song of their heyday.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ARE WE NOT MEN?

WE ARE DEVO! D-E-V-O!

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by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Name more than one Cardigans song that fits that criteria

I don’t mean that in a snarky way, I truly don’t know a Cardigans song. Did they have multiple songs on MTV?

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, that was a hit.

I liked it better than the other one, too.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

.

Heh. I was looking for the real Office clip with this, but the dubbed version is way funnier.

by Phildopip on Jan 9, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lots of great songs.

Here. Again, I cannot emphasize enough what an amazing song Erase/Rewind is.

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by thewyrm on Jan 9, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's not your original point, though

You were complaining about “one-hit wonders”. Are any of the songs listed there “hits”? If so, which ones? (again, I’m not trying to be snarky, I just don’t know anything about the Cardigans). There’s a difference between having a slew of great songs/albums and having one hit.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just because a band is not popular in the States does not make them a one hit wonder.

Otherwise Muse would be a no hit wonder while they are arguably amongst the 5 most popular rock bands in the world.

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by thewyrm on Jan 9, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So I've now lost the thread of your argument

because “one hit wonder” as in the iTunes model specifically means in America. I agree with you in that there are many great bands that shouldn’t be called “one hit wonders” that are, but in your original statement your beef was with iTunes, which has separate stores for each country it serves – so the American iTunes store will of course have things that were considered “one hit wonders” in the US. England’s list would look different, as would Ireland’s, Australia’s, etc.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

fucking stupid = marketing

and again, you’re thinking globally when iTunes (in this case) is thinking about the American consumer – Apple is guessing (correctly) that people who think like you are a) in the minority and b) not likely to buy such a comp in the first place, so they’re not so worried about semantics. People for some reason love these “one hit wonder” things, and that’s what they’re betting on.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely not.

Muse has had at least three radio singles, likely more, here.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jan 9, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes they were.

Perhaps you’re just listening to the wrong radio? There was a time when you couldn’t listen for two hours without hearing Time Is Running Out.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jan 9, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hysteria makes the rounds.

But that was mainly because of rock band.

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by Faux on Jan 9, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Significant airplay.

That it ever saw radio doesn’t matter. Bands who’ve had one hit often see their next single or two get some radio or MTV play, but that doesn’t make them hits. They’re hits if they’re popular enough to get a bunch of airplay for an extended period.

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by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have a friend in London who's a big A-Ha fan (really).

She has all seven of their albums. But even she recognises that they were a one-hit wonder.

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by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Being a one-hit wonder doesn't automatically mean you suck.

Lots of really great bands had one hit song and a large catalog of great work.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My 80s one-hit wonder (in the US) who had some really good songs:

Big Country.

I loved Beavis and Butthead laughing at their video (“Irish spring!”), but that first album had a ton of great stuff. Same with Steeltown, which is probably a better album.

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thirded.

Freaking great band. And the other “poor man’s U2”, the Alarm, as well.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Which one was his hit?

I know several Hendrix songs but he’s not my favorite, so I never really knew if he was “big” (commercially speaking, not influence-wise) or not.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, man.

Hendrix was the first rock musician I loved.

How can you not love this song?

by Phildopip on Jan 9, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I respect that Hendrix was really good at what he did

But outside of one or two songs, I’m really not that into him.

by JI on Jan 9, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hendrix is one of the all time great guitar players

He’s no Stevie Ray Vaughn, but he’s up there

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by abender20 on Jan 9, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I joke you not.

Clapton certainly
BB king proabbly
Johnny Winter was technically better than most
Hendrix was good

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by abender20 on Jan 9, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh my God this is as wrong as wrong could be.

Hendrix>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SRV.

I think even SRV would tell you that much. And I like B.B.‘s guitar playing a lot, but he’s nowhere near as technically proficient as Hendrix.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

SRV always struck me as a fairly generic blues guitarist

but keep in mind that I’m certainly no expert in either the blues or in guitar proficiency.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

He’s nothing special.

by Phildopip on Jan 9, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

False.

Even BB King says Stevie was the best at the Blues.

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by thewyrm on Jan 9, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I respect the hell out of B.B.

but his opinion is not the only one that matters.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

go find "still alive and well" by Johnny Winter.

the man was sick!

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by abender20 on Jan 9, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You shouldn't assume I haven't heard this stuff

just because I don’t like it. I just can’t stand white guy blues for the most part.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

his guitar playing is superb

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by abender20 on Jan 9, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it's stylistic appreciation differences,

but I dig it.

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by abender20 on Jan 9, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I am also the guy who just appreciates

a solid blistering guitar solo. My favorite of all time is Clapton in “In The Presence of the Lord”. Comes out of nowhere. Song is mellow and very bass-light, then suddenly takes a turn for the nasty and Clapton tears out, then the song returns to mellow.

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by abender20 on Jan 9, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

SRV is amazingly proficient.

He’s a great guitar player from a technical standpoint. But there is way more to be a guitarist than technical proficiency, and the guy didn’t have an original bone in his body.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Santana was not nearly the most technical

but he was excellent at producing stuff that was tasty

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by abender20 on Jan 9, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm much more interested in innovation and craft than proficiency.

Most of my favorite bands make up for lack of proficiency by being creative. It’s just where I’m at with music.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

I mean, I take it that the list has nothing whatsoever to do with technical proficiency, but still…. what AC said.

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

SRV is a completely different style,

but he could make a guitar sing

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by abender20 on Jan 9, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

For the creative application of blues

I’d take Ritchie Blackmore over SRV every time.

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by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I will tell you this. I would rather listen to SRV then Hendrix.

Is he better? I don’t know. Is is music more enjoyable? Most definitely.

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by thewyrm on Jan 9, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well that's an issue of taste and I disagree

but I don’t think that’s what is being debated here.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty much the same way.

I really like his guitar playing, but I’m not a huge fan of the songs.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There are a few good songs.

Voodoo Child. Crosstown Traffic. But not many.

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by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jimi Education:

Good videos are hard to find of Hendrix songs, so I’ll give a list of five that you should listen to. If you still don’t think Jimi is amazing, then well I can’t help you anymore…you just don’t like the guy’s music.

-Wind Cries Mary
-Castles Made of Sand
-May This Be Love
-Bold As Love
-If 6 Was 9

by Phildopip on Jan 9, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have listened to a ton of Hendrix

and I just don’t dig it all that much.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm the same way

I get why he’s respected, it just doesn’t do it for me.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ayup.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's why the best song he did was 'All Along the Watchtower'

Not his song, but man is that interpretation amazing.
He did that with a number of older blues/R and B songs as well.

Other than that, yes, I hesitatingly agree with the overall conclusion here…

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have to admit that Jack White is a pretty damn good guitarist.

I saw the Stripes live in ’02 and he rocked it pretty hard.

by Phildopip on Jan 9, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He is wildly underrated.

And if anyone says anything bad about Meg in response to this I will e-punch you.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't heard much White Stripes

but I can at least attest to the former

by JI on Jan 9, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of people think she's a terrible drummer.

Those people are either stupid or misogynists. Or both.

And yes, she is indeed quite attractive.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Very few people have the right to

Judge anyone’s drumming abilities.

It is the hardest freaking thing I have ever tried in my life and I was damn good at singing/playing/jumping around at the same time.

by Sec 108 on Jan 9, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

She is certainly an unconventional drummer.

She’s self taught and so she doesn’t play the same beats that everyone else plays, but she’s still really awesome.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Allmisogynists are stupid

but not all stupid people are misogynists.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is true

but I’d bet the percentage of stupid people that are misogynists is pretty damn high.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No but your point is a valid one

I’m trying to think of a rock musician who is a virtuoso singer, plus is amazing at a non-vocal instrument and I can’t think of one.

by JI on Jan 9, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Prince?

My comprehension of the point being made here may possibly be completely off the mark.

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by Kermit. on Jan 9, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

is this about personal likes/dislikes, though?

Or is it just to name a great singer that’s also a great instrumentalist?

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I love some of his music, which is waaay out of line with my taste in music

There is no way in hell I would ever try to convince anybody they were missing something by not liking Prince. I can think of about a dozen reasons not to like him, and not really coming up with anything to counter that.

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by Kermit. on Jan 9, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's too bad Ronnie Dio gave up the bass guitar in 1973.

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by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, agreed, agreed.

Best concert I’ve been to in a long, long time.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Jan 9, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And he's also a brilliant pianist.

Listen to “Scenes from an Italian Restaurant”

by BrianL on Jan 9, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Try singing it,

and then tell me he’s not a brilliant vocalist as well.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Jan 9, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No thanks.

I can sing it, but that is it.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Jan 9, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw an OLD performance by him when he was first singed that was recorded in England somewhere,

He was unbelievable. Then I saw him in person (last year?) and he was just as good.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Jan 9, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

His voice has changed a bit over the years

but he hasn’t lost any of the musicality and vocal inflection, which many artists can’t hang on to as they age.

I can’t wait to see him in the Face to Face tour with Elton John.

by BrianL on Jan 9, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To clarify,

that should be “first signed”, not “singed”.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Jan 9, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering if he had a Hetfield-type onstage incident

which would have been so bizarre as to be comical.

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by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I want to go to this concert too.

The ticket prices will probably be insane. I know tickets to either one solo are already expensive.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Jan 9, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm already stashing money away for this concert.

This is one of the few things that if I don’t see I will regret for the rest of my life.

by BrianL on Jan 9, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I need to start doing this.

Maybe we can carpool if we both end up going (I’m pretty sure we live within a mile or two of each other).

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Jan 9, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds good to me.

You might have to put up with one of my friends, though. He’s the biggest Billy Joel fan on the face of the universe.

by BrianL on Jan 9, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to get all LLLJ,

but we can fit seven in our rig, or last time we took an RV down to the concert. WE’d have room.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Jan 9, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly don't know how people sing and play instruments at the same time.

Every time I try, I screw up horribly (unless it’s something very basic).

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Jan 9, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've heard from friends

that not being able to this well will piss off your music teacher

by JI on Jan 9, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can sing OK and I can bash out a 4/4 beat on the drums OK

but there’s no way in hell I can do both at the same time.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have a hard time playing the saxophone and singing at the same time.

It’s a little easier when I’m playing the keys for some reason.

by BrianL on Jan 9, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

slacker.

Next you’ll say that you can’t play the sax, sing, and play the tambourine all at once either. And you call yourself a musician.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My band instructor was right.

I should have gone to school to be a roadie instead.

by BrianL on Jan 9, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

All I can do is lay down basic block chords while singing.

Anything more and I lose all sense of tempo/rhythm.

by BrianL on Jan 9, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I find it hard to like a guy that was found with child porn on his computer

and then tries to sell it as “research”.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what happened?

(again, not snark, I’m just trying to remember and don’t feel like googling “child porn” on my work machine)

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pete Townshend has always been a staunch anti-child abuse advocate

because he himself was abused as a child.

He used a credit card to enter a child porn site in order to report how awful it was. He admitted that he should of done it but at the time he was incensed and couldn’t think 100% straight.

He was cleared of all wrong doing.

by JI on Jan 9, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A-ha was absolutely massive in Europe

They were a one hit wonder in the States.

by Gomez on Jan 9, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was going to mention that

Even in the UK, I think their debut had 3 singles that broke into the top 20.

by marc w on Jan 9, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A one hit wonder IMO

is a band who has a hit and then proceeds to fall completely off the planet afterward, as in nobody knows what became of them and hardly anyone cares. In that respect, the Cardigans aren’t a one hit wonder because, while that “Love me love me” song was their only big hit, they’ve recorded several albums and maintained a following of some sort.

Some would even argue that Ben Folds Five was a one hit wonder because the only hit anyone remembers is “Brick”, and many can attest that’s certainly not the case, even if their catalog isn’t all that familiar to the general public.

by Gomez on Jan 9, 2009 7:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Was it?

I don’t remember a video or significant airplay for the song around my neck of the woods back in the day.

by Gomez on Jan 9, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I see

It’s probably a matter of regional playlists and such. BFF certainly had a significant cult following nationwide.

by Gomez on Jan 9, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Which blows my mind.

I love alternative rock and I know a bunch of people who don’t seem to care for it as much. Glad I grew up in Seattle.

by Wilder. on Jan 9, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

All this 90s pop stuff got me thinking;

anyone remember Elastica and/or Republica? I have a feeling I’d still like them, but I haven’t heard them in years and barely even remember what they sound like.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 2:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I like Elastica OK but I haven't listened to them in years

gotta go home and dig that out.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 9, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I really hated Elastica

but they had some catchy tunes.

I think the only Elastica I have is on the Trainspotting soundtrack.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember the M's using Republica's "Ready to go" before games.

For that reason, I use it often as the last song before the start of games when I have a PA gig.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jan 9, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe I watched that whole ad.

That’s actually a really cool idea for software.

But, if you’re going to use an ad campaign to illustrate how great your software is, shouldn’t you do that within a better ad campaign?

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Trying to be a Mac again, eh?

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Soooo

Nobody noticed the girl using an Apple laptop in this Microsoft ad. Even Microsoft knows who has the superior OS.

by Wilder. on Jan 9, 2009 7:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So I thought this was pretty interesting.

It’s apparently old-ish news, but I hadn’t heard about it.

The most unwanted song.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 3:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That song really isn't bad.

I kind of like it. Though I obviously haven’t made it all the way through, yet.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I enjoyed it, actually.

I thought it was pretty entertaining. The rapping soprano is hilarious.

by acblue on Jan 9, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like prog.

So songs that do weird and unexpected things are fine by me.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe you'll like this bit by Patton Oswalt.

He starts riffing on prog rock, and picks on a guy in the audience. Angry Monkey Project.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Jan 9, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Grey Album, Danger Mouse. I don't know anything about hip hop, rap, or mixing.

But that album blows my hair back, this goes back to yesterday’s OT for albums of the decade but I couldn’t remember it yesterday. The whole concept of this just blew me away, and I don’t even like hip hop.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Jan 9, 2009 3:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

go look up Tae K.

It’s not the same caliber, but it’s interesting. For sure

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Jan 9, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just mad one of the all time blunders. I hit reply all without paying attention.

I actually said something about the recipient I did not want on the list (travel agent). Thank Christ I didn’t say anything bad!!!

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Jan 9, 2009 4:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I sent an email to the wrong "Audrey" on my list today,

Totally confused the poor person. Problem is I can’t get the “wrong” Audrey to quit “auto-filling” when I type in email addresses.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Jan 9, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

People are stupid.

I got an email by someone who somehow CCed the master company list (how is it that some CSA has permissions for that, anyway?). This was followed by a week of “I don’t understand this email. What’s going on? Why did I get this?” reply-alls.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jan 9, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome.

One of the Holy Roller types in my company’s office sent a mass email to every employee we have urging us to remember that Christmastime is when we need to think about Jesus and not commercialism.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Jan 9, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LAWSUIT!!!

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Jan 9, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, I'll give you guys some action

I’m not ashamed to admit that throughout most of childhood, my mother basically picked out my wardrobe, and pretty much everything I wore was neutral: t-shirts, slacks, a decent looking pair of shoes, a coat that kept you warm. And once I grew up and started calling the shots… I just found it easier to wear solid colors, black & beige slacks and black shoes, and to this day, that’s what I wear. As a result, I never had any real fashion gaffes.

Anyone else out there make do with a neutral-tone wardrobe?