So
About eight months ago, Matthew and I were seated among a host of baseball officials and executives at the First Annual PITCHf/x Summit in San Francisco. One of the people sitting at our table was none other than Mat Olkin. He didn't say much, but we noticed that, when asked, he introduced himself as an employee of the Royals.
I think that's about as low as I've ever felt as a Mariners fan. It was at that point I realized that either our team no longer had a sabermatrician on staff, or the sabermatrician they had on staff was so embarrassed by the connection that he'd sooner admit to working with Kansas City. I spent the rest of my weekend consumed with thoughts of how I was devoting myself to a baseball team for whom the clock of intellectual evolution was ticking steadily backwards.
Now it's 2009, and I can't even begin to wrap my head around how different this organization looks. Yeah, ownership is still the same, but it isn't, because Armstrong and Lincoln have elected to defer to a brand new front office that seems to know exactly what it's doing. Zduriencik, Blengino, McNamara, Fusco, Grifol - there's intelligence. There's real-life, legitimate, powerful intelligence at the top, and in just half an offseason the new crew has already made a case for its being one of the strongest front offices in baseball. And now, to top things off, it's been made public that Tom Tango's going to be working as a consultant (along with Olkin, who will have a more appropriate role). Regardless of how much Tango actually goes on to contribute, and how much consideration will be given to his input, the fact that the Seattle Mariners went out and hired probably the greatest publicly accessible statistical analyst in the world speaks immeasurable volumes about how much this team has changed. Bavasi may have wanted to make this organization better, but the bottom line is that Zduriencik and the rest of his front office seem to actually know how to do it.
Tom Tango works for the Mariners. Given everything we've gone through over the past five years, it's absolutely flooring to see how good our organization suddenly looks on paper. And while we can't yet be certain how things will work out in the long run, it's the groups that look the best on paper that have the strongest odds of success, so with that in mind, I am more than prepared to usher in a new era of Mariners baseball. An era of pride, an era of relevance - an era of winning. For the first time in my life, I believe with all my heart that the people in charge of my baseball team are the right people to take it where we all want it to go.
And I can't explain how weird that sounds.
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...And thus begins the beginning of the end for Lookout Landing
by JI on Jan 5, 2009 9:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
How much longer before Corco's running this place?
by BrianL on Jan 5, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Corcalypse is nigh
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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 6, 2009 8:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*Corcapolypse
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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 6, 2009 8:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
People can say what they want about you, Corco.
But you’ll never be this guy. (Warning, LSB link)
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Jan 6, 2009 8:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK I am not fond of that gentleman
What a tool. If I were in a Texas bar I wouldn’t be screaming GO OHIO STATE when their fans were equally obnoxious- that’s fucking stupid
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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 6, 2009 8:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and Ohio State fans displayed a great amount of class by not kicking the living shit out of him
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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 6, 2009 8:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never met that guy or hung out on LSB before
but I’m betting that “incident” never happened. It’s all too perfect.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jan 6, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 6, 2009 8:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's young and thinks he's a badass.
Although…that seems rather redundant.
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 6, 2009 8:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So can the mods choose how many recs makes a comment green?
Because there is a green comment with only 3 recs.
by Wilder. on Jan 6, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you don't set it at three, or whatever number they use.
by Wilder. on Jan 6, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Disclaimer
When I say “we” I do not include myself as a decision maker.
by NOLAmarinergirl on Jan 6, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone should go over there and green an entire FanPost
by seattlebruin on Jan 6, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't give me any ideas.
Can mods see who rec’d what?
by Double06 on Jan 6, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Try having hung around this franchise since 1979 or so
and multiply how weird it sounds to you by about 1000. I still can’t quite wrap my head around what’s going on this winter, but I love it.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 9:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Completely, this teams been so consistently bad for so long it's like poverty.
One of those conditions in life people learn to live with instead of a problem that can be solved.
Formerly dpseadvr.
by Kermit. on Jan 5, 2009 9:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Drat, reply fail to pdb.
Formerly dpseadvr.
by Kermit. on Jan 5, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe how much things have changed so quickly
I remember reading back in October how we had interest in Randy Smith and thinking to myself for the first time ever that no matter who was hired, things would never ever change. The concept was so bad that I thought about giving up on baseball for the first time in my life. I don’t understand how this literally went as good as it possibly could.
by Robert on Jan 5, 2009 10:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It still hasnt sunk in for me, but im slowly starting to believe
by mariners23 on Jan 5, 2009 10:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Seattle Mariners 2009: I Want To Believe
by Nick S on Jan 5, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There's a classic photoshop lurking in here somewhere for someone with some creativity.
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
by esoteric on Jan 5, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seattle Mariners 2009: Please Don't Suck
Applies most other years, too…but yet we keep coming back…
by glennpdx on Jan 7, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its hard for me to actually buy into things
Its not that I don’t believe things are better now. Its just hard to change when you’ve thought one thing your whole life and now everything seems to be changing. I think it really is going to take a year or two for me to fully comprehend the changes taking place.
by Edgar for Pres on Jan 5, 2009 11:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fuckin' Royals
Seriously, does anyone consider us to now have the best front office in the division? In terms of resources, statistical/scouting analysis, and intelligent people running things? I mean, not only have we established a strong stat base, but……good lord…..we also have a strong scouting background as well. And that’s much more difficult to acquire.
by JLC on Jan 5, 2009 11:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And money.
We could be embarking on something wonderful.
by Teej on Jan 6, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its kind of cool to think that Tango's
Defensive Evaluations from us fans may (in the same breath may very well not) actually get some consideration from the front office.
by DCMariner on Jan 5, 2009 11:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like how even the hopefulness of our Fearless Leader is still not enough to shake the Sad Sexson site image.
Not that I am for taking it down; it’s a good reminder of who we are and where we’ve been.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jan 6, 2009 1:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I thought that was Rick White
Is it not?
by okdan on Jan 6, 2009 1:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rick White never knew rock bottom
the way Sexson knew it.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 6, 2009 5:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the weirder things about this for me is that I'm actually anxious for us to make another move.
To were before,I dreaded every rumor that mentioned the Mariners.
by Goose on Jan 6, 2009 7:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Same here. It is so crazy to be excited by the FO!
I am just as excited about the FO as I am about seeing the new guys on the team.
by mark sobba on Jan 6, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All the optimism around here is freaking me out a little.
by NOLAmarinergirl on Jan 6, 2009 8:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm waiting for the other show to drop.
Lincstrong: “SInce we saw the Rays compete and win the AL with a payroll of 40 million, why are we spending 110 million? Cut payroll.”
by James F'n X on Jan 6, 2009 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to go ahead and give Armstrong and Lincoln some props.
I seriously doubted their ability to make a good hire but they have proven me wrong. If they truly step back and let this group do their thing it will go a long way towards rehabbing their image with the fan base.
by Sec 108 on Jan 6, 2009 9:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bad process + good outcome = dumb luck
by seattlebruin on Jan 6, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know the process was a bad one?
by marc w on Jan 6, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not giving benefit of the doubt just yet
by seattlebruin on Jan 6, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not totally either, but I am opening my mind a bit.
These men may have learned and with all the vitriol I have thrown their way in the past it may be time to give them a pat on the back for once.
by Sec 108 on Jan 6, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We ended up with good collection of GM semi-finalists and a strong collection of GM finalists
Seems like good process to me!
by ThundaPC on Jan 6, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mean this question to sound as it will inevitably come out
but when can we expect results? What I mean is, when will the decisions of this front office begin to bear fruit – not in a “WE WIN THE WORLD SERIES EVERY YEAR THIS IS AWESOME” way, but in an Oakland/Atlanta “sustainable excellence and playoff expectations every year” sort of way? Two years? Three? I just don’t know how long it will take to strip away the effects of the last several years.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jan 6, 2009 10:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Depending on how the rest of the offseason plays out
I still think it’s entirely possible the Mariners contend (and I mean actually contend, late into the year) for the division this year.
by acblue on Jan 6, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Bedard were to return to form...
that would be a dangerous playoff team.
and besides, as Billy Beane said about the playoffs in Moneyball – “It’s all fucking luck”
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by Jack Moore on Jan 6, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For the moves of this organization to bear fruit?
I’d say about four years?
That’s not my estimate of how long it takes to compete again, but the length of time it takes for moves made by this new org to be the primary motivator for success.
by Matthew on Jan 6, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This seems about right.
You have to weed out the dead weight from the old system, begin constructing and implementing the new system, and allow time for development of the players produced from the new system.
Right now it seems GMZ is patching up holes in the sinking ship while throwing dead weight overboard. Within in two years he will have his system in place, and then allow another two years for it to develop and bear fruit.
by Wilder. on Jan 6, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds reasonable and was sorta what I was thinking
Jeff’s two years would be fantastic, but I’ve been patient this long and I can wait four if it means consistently being a successful organization.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jan 6, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My two years was for a return to legitimate contention
Four years is more realistic for the FO to have its entire system comfortably in place.
by Jeff on Jan 6, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Either way it's better than perpetual bumbling
and for that I am grateful.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jan 6, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I should add that I think it's basically four years no matter who.
For a new organization to see it’s new processes/talent become the dominant force on the big league club. There’s just so much lag time with these things.
by Matthew on Jan 6, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it's
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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 6, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what pdb said
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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 6, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta side with Matthew on this one
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jan 6, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh wait, second it's not first.
I retract my siding.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jan 6, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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