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About eight months ago, Matthew and I were seated among a host of baseball officials and executives at the First Annual PITCHf/x Summit in San Francisco. One of the people sitting at our table was none other than Mat Olkin. He didn't say much, but we noticed that, when asked, he introduced himself as an employee of the Royals.

I think that's about as low as I've ever felt as a Mariners fan. It was at that point I realized that either our team no longer had a sabermatrician on staff, or the sabermatrician they had on staff was so embarrassed by the connection that he'd sooner admit to working with Kansas City. I spent the rest of my weekend consumed with thoughts of how I was devoting myself to a baseball team for whom the clock of intellectual evolution was ticking steadily backwards.

Now it's 2009, and I can't even begin to wrap my head around how different this organization looks. Yeah, ownership is still the same, but it isn't, because Armstrong and Lincoln have elected to defer to a brand new front office that seems to know exactly what it's doing. Zduriencik, Blengino, McNamara, Fusco, Grifol - there's intelligence. There's real-life, legitimate, powerful intelligence at the top, and in just half an offseason the new crew has already made a case for its being one of the strongest front offices in baseball. And now, to top things off, it's been made public that Tom Tango's going to be working as a consultant (along with Olkin, who will have a more appropriate role). Regardless of how much Tango actually goes on to contribute, and how much consideration will be given to his input, the fact that the Seattle Mariners went out and hired probably the greatest publicly accessible statistical analyst in the world speaks immeasurable volumes about how much this team has changed. Bavasi may have wanted to make this organization better, but the bottom line is that Zduriencik and the rest of his front office seem to actually know how to do it.

Tom Tango works for the Mariners. Given everything we've gone through over the past five years, it's absolutely flooring to see how good our organization suddenly looks on paper. And while we can't yet be certain how things will work out in the long run, it's the groups that look the best on paper that have the strongest odds of success, so with that in mind, I am more than prepared to usher in a new era of Mariners baseball. An era of pride, an era of relevance - an era of winning. For the first time in my life, I believe with all my heart that the people in charge of my baseball team are the right people to take it where we all want it to go.

And I can't explain how weird that sounds.

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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 6, 2009 8:02 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

People can say what they want about you, Corco.

But you’ll never be this guy. (Warning, LSB link)

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 6, 2009 8:06 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK I am not fond of that gentleman

What a tool. If I were in a Texas bar I wouldn’t be screaming GO OHIO STATE when their fans were equally obnoxious- that’s fucking stupid

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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 6, 2009 8:12 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've never met that guy or hung out on LSB before

but I’m betting that “incident” never happened. It’s all too perfect.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 6, 2009 8:23 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 6, 2009 8:26 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Try having hung around this franchise since 1979 or so

and multiply how weird it sounds to you by about 1000. I still can’t quite wrap my head around what’s going on this winter, but I love it.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 9:42 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Completely, this teams been so consistently bad for so long it's like poverty.

One of those conditions in life people learn to live with instead of a problem that can be solved.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Jan 5, 2009 9:58 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't believe how much things have changed so quickly

I remember reading back in October how we had interest in Randy Smith and thinking to myself for the first time ever that no matter who was hired, things would never ever change. The concept was so bad that I thought about giving up on baseball for the first time in my life. I don’t understand how this literally went as good as it possibly could.

by Robert on Jan 5, 2009 10:30 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its hard for me to actually buy into things

Its not that I don’t believe things are better now. Its just hard to change when you’ve thought one thing your whole life and now everything seems to be changing. I think it really is going to take a year or two for me to fully comprehend the changes taking place.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 5, 2009 11:01 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fuckin' Royals

Seriously, does anyone consider us to now have the best front office in the division? In terms of resources, statistical/scouting analysis, and intelligent people running things? I mean, not only have we established a strong stat base, but……good lord…..we also have a strong scouting background as well. And that’s much more difficult to acquire.

by JLC on Jan 5, 2009 11:10 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And money.

We could be embarking on something wonderful.

by Teej on Jan 6, 2009 12:03 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its kind of cool to think that Tango's

Defensive Evaluations from us fans may (in the same breath may very well not) actually get some consideration from the front office.

by DCMariner on Jan 5, 2009 11:19 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Same here. It is so crazy to be excited by the FO!

I am just as excited about the FO as I am about seeing the new guys on the team.

by mark sobba on Jan 6, 2009 9:50 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm going to go ahead and give Armstrong and Lincoln some props.

I seriously doubted their ability to make a good hire but they have proven me wrong. If they truly step back and let this group do their thing it will go a long way towards rehabbing their image with the fan base.

by Sec 108 on Jan 6, 2009 9:51 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't mean this question to sound as it will inevitably come out

but when can we expect results? What I mean is, when will the decisions of this front office begin to bear fruit – not in a “WE WIN THE WORLD SERIES EVERY YEAR THIS IS AWESOME” way, but in an Oakland/Atlanta “sustainable excellence and playoff expectations every year” sort of way? Two years? Three? I just don’t know how long it will take to strip away the effects of the last several years.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 6, 2009 10:53 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Depending on how the rest of the offseason plays out

I still think it’s entirely possible the Mariners contend (and I mean actually contend, late into the year) for the division this year.

by acblue on Jan 6, 2009 4:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Bedard were to return to form...

that would be a dangerous playoff team.

and besides, as Billy Beane said about the playoffs in Moneyball – “It’s all fucking luck”

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by jhmoore on Jan 6, 2009 5:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For the moves of this organization to bear fruit?

I’d say about four years?

That’s not my estimate of how long it takes to compete again, but the length of time it takes for moves made by this new org to be the primary motivator for success.

by Matthew on Jan 6, 2009 11:17 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This seems about right.

You have to weed out the dead weight from the old system, begin constructing and implementing the new system, and allow time for development of the players produced from the new system.

Right now it seems GMZ is patching up holes in the sinking ship while throwing dead weight overboard. Within in two years he will have his system in place, and then allow another two years for it to develop and bear fruit.

by Wilder. on Jan 6, 2009 12:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That sounds reasonable and was sorta what I was thinking

Jeff’s two years would be fantastic, but I’ve been patient this long and I can wait four if it means consistently being a successful organization.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 6, 2009 1:32 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I should add that I think it's basically four years no matter who.

For a new organization to see it’s new processes/talent become the dominant force on the big league club. There’s just so much lag time with these things.

by Matthew on Jan 6, 2009 2:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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