Yuni's Last Legs?

by Matthew on Jan 5, 2009 4:22 PM PST in The More You Know Comment 39 comments

I like the Hardball Times revised zone ratings [RZR] and out of zone plays [OOZ]. I think you can take their statistics and couch them a certain way, and get some really good indicators. --Tony Blengino

(courtesy of Hardball Times)

I think that with the Hardball Times metrics you can come up with a baseline fairly easily and know what you’re talking about, whether a guy is above or below average at a certain position, and watch trends over the years fairly easily. --TB

We know the new group values defense highly.
We know Yuni rates extremely poorly amongst its preferred metric.

Something's got to give eventually.

For completeness, his UZRs show a poor trend as well.

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I wish the Dodgers still needed a shortstop

by Graham on Jan 5, 2009 4:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

by JI on Jan 5, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well played.

by marc w on Jan 5, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Why do I always read that as Creds?

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 5, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Because there's a big C before the R?

Jeff's guide to not looking stupid:
+/- is an absolutely terrible stat, so don't use it, and don't give up on young players before they turn 24.
54!

by joof on Jan 5, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Me too. But look at Cincinnati....

You know what? Johnny Cueto is too short to play baseball. Aaron Harang is D-O-N-E. Or, just to be nice, Zach Stewart and Juan Francisco.

by marc w on Jan 5, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

When I read Blengino's quote

The first thing I did was go look at Yuni’s RZR and OOZ at THT.

I wish we had an easy alternative in the organization but we just do not have any talent at that position.

by Sec 108 on Jan 5, 2009 4:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

You could always sign Orlando Carbrera for two years.

by JI on Jan 5, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He is a 3 Win player.

I’d take him over Yuni any day.

by Sec 108 on Jan 5, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think he's that good

but he’s about 2 wins better than betancourt.

by JI on Jan 5, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

LaRue reported today that GMZ has an offer pending on a player right now.

I would love if that offer was to Orlando Cabrera.

by BrianL on Jan 5, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I would think that if it was a more substantial player, it would be among the rumor mills by now. Last time we “had an offer pending” we signed Branyan the next day.. Sounds promising for a Cabrera-type signing.

by seattlesundevil on Jan 5, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Just read the article

Didn’t see it at first.. But then in the comments section, LaRue says it’s not to Dunn or Griffey. One more land mine dodged!

by seattlesundevil on Jan 5, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I would hope they trade Yuni first though

seems might it nuke his value just a big if they sign another SS first

by seattlebruin on Jan 5, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You're missing the Orlando-Orlando DP combo

joke. I don’t actually care for Hudson (unless he comes cheap)

by Matthew on Jan 5, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

by JI on Jan 5, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

(sigh)

by Matthew on Jan 5, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

(the correct response would be to ridicule me for being LLemminged on to xkcd)

by JI on Jan 5, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

xkcd is its own justification.

by The Ancient Mariner on Jan 6, 2009 6:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

O-Cab

Being that signing Cabrera would cost us our second first round pick, I’m reluctant. Anyone want to convince me that it’s still worth it?

by katal on Jan 5, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Forgot about that

so no, probably not worth it

by JI on Jan 5, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Same goes for Hudson

I love the idea of one of those guys solidifying our defense, but it isn’t worth the pick to me.

by katal on Jan 5, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Quiet you fool!

by JI on Jan 5, 2009 4:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

If the Ms want me to shut up, there's an easy way.

by Matthew on Jan 5, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You're not worth killing.

by JI on Jan 5, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I am sure they could buy him off with various types of high quality beer.

by mark sobba on Jan 5, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That has been poisoned by a variety of things...

BOOYA! You got Slurved!

by Slurvey on Jan 5, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That Jeff S guy sucks more then Yuni.

Awesome.

Jeff's guide to not looking stupid:
+/- is an absolutely terrible stat, so don't use it, and don't give up on young players before they turn 24.
54!

by joof on Jan 5, 2009 5:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

A potential question

for one of you folks going to this Q&A maybe?

Although in the interest of saving face they may not comment directly on it, but it certainly is worth throwing a, Hey, check our SS’s UZR/OOZ/RZR comment out there

by mariners124m on Jan 5, 2009 5:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I think a question along the lines of

Do you have a plan in place to try to help Betancourt get his defense back to the level it was back in 2005?

is totally appropriate. I don’t know how they’re answering it, but then you’re telling McNamara/Blengino that his D is bad rather then asking if it as bad and then you’re asking whether they intend to fix the problem

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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 5, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs