OTFPOTD 1-5-09, I Haven't Done This In a While Edition
by seattlebruin on Jan 5, 2009 4:35 AM PST
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PrintHappy New Year, all! Hopefully 2009 goes better than 2008 on any level you want it to, but for all our sakes, let's apply this first and foremost to the Seahawks and Mariners.
Matthew just posted an OTFPOTD Guide which I suggest everyone read and familiarize themselves with. It's my opinion that the OFFTOP has been a very good influence for LL overall, though it's certainly come time to reign it in a little bit. Just remember what our old threads used to look like - lots of zany off-topic banter, but no personal 1-1 communication.
If you need to communicate 1-1 with another poster, many people post their e-mails on their profile pages; also, there's a LL Facebook group where many of us are friends and can use FB chat and messages for non-LL appropriate discussion.
I usually stay out of the music discussions, but I discovered the band Shiny Toy Guns over break thanks to my brother, and I thought I'd pass it along
In case any of you are wondering why the hell I'm posting the OTFPOTD at 4:30 AM PST, my flight out of Seattle got delayed three hours on the tarmac after already being delayed an hour pre-flight. They kept telling us "de-ice. fifteen minutes!" every ten minutes for three hours, so when I finally got to San Diego, I decided not to bother driving the half an hour home and just to stay at work and leave really early. Plus this way, I get to watch the Texas-Ohio State game!
Who else has travel horror stories that end up with them working ungodly hours, or travel horror stories, or working ungodly hours stories?
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Ahhhh, back to work.
It’ll be nice to get back into a routine.
Now if I could only get some Fallout time in here.
Most days I work what average office dwellers would call ungodly hours (I come in at 7A and leave at 8P or so most days). The only time I feel that I actually worked egregiously long hours was my shift of 6A Monday – 10P Tuesday one day (2 days?) in my company’s warehouse in LV.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
I have no clue. I got it yesterday morning,
and never got a chance to play it.
I did have time to load it onto my hard drive during halftime of the Phi/Min game (Damn you Vikings)
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
I got it several weeks ago
But then my HDD melted, so I’ve been having some technical problems.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
I've been hitting the couple hours a night stage of things
I’ve taken to just wandering the wasteland and enjoying all the weird little stuff I come across. Wonderful game
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"It's like The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion
but with assault rifles."
~Ben “Yahtzee” Crowshaw.
And descisions with consequences.
I am the leader of the Mage Guild. However no one knows who I am and I still have to hunt wolves for the money to buy things?
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Or, how about this?
You’re a member of the Thieves Guild. Your mission is to steal the sceptre of the leader of the Mage Guild.
But you ARE the leader of the Mage Guild. Shouldn’t the Thieves Guild know that?
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This is why open ended games will never be better than linear story driven ones.
Seriously, give me the Witcher over Oblivion every day of the week. Hell, look at Mass Effect. It had a open ended feel, but there was an actual story that gave consequences for the decisions you made. Holy hell do I miss the golden era where we had Baldur’s Gate and Planescape: Torment.
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"Hey wait there is some extra writing on the wall here not on my back tattoo. . .!"
“Don’t trust the skull. . .” “What!?”
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I think that was the first RPG I sucessfully completed a "romance" in.
I still have a soft spot for Tieflings.
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And VATS.
The VATS really makes it Fallout 3 more of an RPG than Oblivion ever was because your character’s success at things is now tied to your character’s skills, rather than your skills as the player.
This is why shooters and RPGs usually don’t mix. Mass Effect dealt with the problem well, and now so has Fallout 3 (in an entirely different way), so the problem may now be behind us.
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You can probably expect an official announcement about that in Q2 2009.
BioWare likes to promote only one game at a time, and Dragon Age is being released at the end of Q1.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
DRAGON AGE IS BEING RELEASED THIS YEAR!?
WOOOOOOOO!
I probably spend more time on BioWare's site than I do here.
Though under a different name.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
I lost my end of game savegame so I need to beat it again before the sequal.
They ARE still planning on letting you carry your character over for the sequel right?
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Fuck I'm so excited, I just got my 360.
But I have a question. Do I sign up for Xbox live on the console, or do I have to buy a cd? Cause I saw online they are selling Xbox Live cards. Any help would be appreciated. Oh I got CofD World at War too! So geeked.
If you just got the 360 new, it should come with a month of XBox Live Gold.
When you start up it should ask you in the opening sequence what all you want to sign up for or buy (Live Gold Sub & Microsoft Points).
The Live cards are for Parents and Grandparents to buy for their kids or as gifts, completely superfluous. You can do everything right from the console.
If you bought it used you should be able to find the System Setup in the settings somewhere, and it’ll take you through the first setup again, which includes the xbox live account setup and all that jazz.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
It's also more expensive to buy it through the console.
If you do it through the console, you pay $50. If you buy it from, say, New Egg, it’s only $40. Though the only way to really make ordering it from New Egg make sense is if you’re getting other stuff, otherwise paying the shipping is going to cancel out most of the savings.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 7:36 AM PST up reply actions
Interesting, I didn;t know this.
I just knew from brick and mortars I had seen, the point cards were right in line with the console prices.
I guess I’ll have to start shopping online for them.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
So, wow, I'm FINALLY getting around to watching Michael Palin's "Around the World in 80 Days".
Has anybody seen this show? It’s a little dated (1988), but Palin is hysterical (as usual), and he does some really fascinating stuff.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 7:43 AM PST reply actions
It's really interesting but be warned
all his subsequent travel shows are a case study in diminishing returns. They’re not bad, as such, but the first couple were so good that the rest seem like he’s just sort of going through the motions.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 7:47 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I really only have an interest in the first two.
That being said, has anybody else seen Ewan McGregor’s “Long Way Round”? I think it’s about equal to Palin’s “Around the World in 80 Days”.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 7:48 AM PST up reply actions
I think the first two are a good stopping point really
the second was almost as good as the first. I haven’t seen Long Way Round, but I’m curious about it.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 7:51 AM PST up reply actions
Pole to Pole worked.
He travelled from the North Pole to the South Pole following 30° East. I liked that one.
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That's his second one, isn't it?
Pole to Pole came out in 1991.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
oh by the way not to be pedantic
but it’s “rein it in” not “reign it in”. Think horses, not kings.
Since you got to work at 4.30AM are you only working until noon?
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BrianL, or anybody else with some computer knowledge, I need help.
I had my 500 GB Western Digital external hard drive die on me a while back. I’m pretty sure it’s a power supply issue, so I took apart the case, yanked the drive out of it, and was going to install it in my PC as an internal hard drive. However, this being the first time I’d ever done something like this, I realized I didn’t have everything I needed. For one thing, I didn’t have the right equipment to turn the ex-external hard drive into a slave internal drive, which required jumper pins (?). Is there somewhere I can buy a kit that has these in there?
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 8:12 AM PST reply actions
If you only have one CD-ROM installed, you may be able to take it from that. (Look at the back and make sure it doesn't require it)
Also, look at your motherboard and see if there is a jumper that is only attached to one pin. Lots of times, the BIOS password reset jump point has a jumper attached, but not on both pins so it is not active. If you have a non-massmarket machine (Not a Dell/HP/etc), sometimes the motherboards will have other spots that have extra jumpers as well.
If you’re friendly with your IT guys at work, lots of times they will have some, especially if the company has older HW sitting around somewhere.
Other than that, you could put it on your second channel (with your cdrom), set the CD to slave, and see if it works. It has for me before, depending on the drive. One thing that made a difference was make sure to put the HDD on the middle spot on the cord, and the CD on the end.
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Oof, that just went way over my head.
I’ve got a friend who is pretty computer-savvy. I may give him a call to see if he can do it for me.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
The second one is pretty easy to do yourself.
Just look at your mainboard and see if any jumpers are not connecting anything, or just hanging out. Other than that, maybe Brian can explain it better.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
Your explanation was fine, I think, I just have no idea what I'm doing when I open up a computer.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
hit the metal parts with a small hammer to get them loose, then tie the wirey parts together.
Then find the plasticy bits and arrange them in a circle.
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!
I think you've hit Compaq's business plan on they head.
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All I can recommend is to do it while standing on carpet and wearing socks and fleece pants
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So...I shouldn't be in a bathtub full of water?
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
No, you fool
If you’re doing it that way then it needs to be a running shower
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This sounds like quality advice.
Don’t forget to plug it in before you stick the screwdriver into the power supply.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
One thing he left out was that the jumpers are the small section of 8 pins, stacked in 2 rows of 4 (or something like that)
Generally there will be some markings on the drive that dictate what method will set it to slave
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
I couldn't find anything marked on the drive that told me what the setting needed to be.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
It may be somewhere else, like on a label.
If you have a model number for the drive, I can look it up for you.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
I was just helping him find a jumper.
It sounded like he knew what was going on from that point.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
Nothing wrong that you did that, really
But after seeing that it went past his knowledge of things, I figured that was a part of his issue
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
Before you spend a lot of time on this
make sure the hard drive itself is okay. Open up your case and plug one of the extra D-shaped power connectors into the hard drive, fire up your computer, and make sure the hard drive powers on. If it doesn’t, you probably have a fried PCB on the bottom-side of the HD.
I'm having a similar problem, actually.
My second internal HDD became inaccessible, so I pulled it out and dropped it in an external USB enclosure to isolate the problem. The drive powers up and spins fine, and if I plug it in to any computer that computer recognises it as a HDD and assigns it a drive letter, but any attempt to read it (opening Windows Explorer, accessing that drive letter with a command prompt) causes a hang.
I’m still hopeful I can recover the data from the drive, but I’m not optimistic. It’s starting to look as if the best case is a badly corrupted partition table, with the only solution being a hard format.
Any data recovery suggestions?
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That sounds like the internal platters of the hard drive are going bad.
You could try a new PCB on it, but I don’t think it will help much.
If I told you that when it was initially failing
it would come and go (the BIOS would detect it some of the time, but not all of the time), would that confirm your diagnosis?
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I can't really confirm it, but it doesn't sway me away from thinking that it's internal failure.
Hard drives are strange beasts to diagnose sometimes.
Good thing I managed to burn those 10 GB of baby pictures to DVDs before it completely failed.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
My dad probably has the best system for digital pictures.
Every month he saves a copy of his picture collection to his desktop at home, his desktop at work, his laptop, and an external HDD.
in a world where offline backup services exist
that seems like a lot of work.
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And?
I am under the impression that flickr doesn’t have an upload cap.
I got a nasty email after 5GB in one month of uploading a batch of scanned pictures.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
(I have a pro account)
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
My photog site has 150gigs.
I pay $~90 a year for it and my domain name. Every once in awhile I’ll bulk upload to my site. On top of filling external drives. For just more than double that, I could get unlimited storage.
I could spend a LOT more than $200 a year on external drives…
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jan 5, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
I'll do that, thanks.
I know hard drives are becoming really inexpensive, but I’d rather just use one I already have if I can.
Here’s hoping it’s just fine.
Maybe you can tell from my experience what exactly is going on. It was a 500 GB Western Digital My Book external hard drive. I had it connected USB cable to my PC, and it was my K: drive. When I accessed the drive, I could hear the power kick in and the drive would start spinning, and a blue activity light would shine around the back-up button. One day I came home from work and the blue light (which is a ring, see this drive for a similar look…the two concentric blue circles) wasn’t spinning like it would be if the drive were in use. It was just lit up. I couldn’t do anything with it, I couldn’t access the drive, when I hit the button it didn’t do anything.
I decided to restart my computer. When I did this, the drive wouldn’t even come on.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
Fuck.
At least I didn’t have anything vital on that drive, just some pictures and some music.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Rode a rustbucket of a boat for 18 hours one way to make one dive once.
After driving 6 hours to get to a dock waaaaaayyyyyy down in south Louisiana. Got on site, started setting anchors on a four point boat (4 anchors, 1 each corner) and an anchor literally fell off the boat. New anchor and some jackass had forgotten the critical last step of putting the pin through the little hole that connected it to the cable before we left the dock. Made one dive to reattach the cable, and the transmission for the cable winch burned out. Back to the dock. That boat was a real POS, floating tetanus shot.
Formerly dpseadvr.
I made a critical mistake over the Holidays.
I have only been seeing my girlfriend for a few months but I payed for her to come with me and my family to Hawaii. Then proceeded to buy her a ton of new jewelry and some fancy dresses. Plus fancy dinners and whatnot. I kind of spoiled her and now I hope she doesn’t begin to look at me as a cash register. I don’t think she is the type, but it still kind of scares me.
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Whoa. After a few months?
I think I’d be a little scared if someone bought me jewelry and fancy dresses after just a few months, but if she’s not scared, then hey, she gets to go to Hawaii.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jan 5, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
Point of reminder:
Please try to make topics more open-ended. Adding questions helps.
I think this topic would have been talked about and spawned a discussion if so many people didn't have SOs that read these.
I, however, have no comment.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But at the same time, anyone who responds to the question posted at the top of the thread (long workdays/odd timing) would be guilty of the same thing.
What if SB’s question had been about over the top Christmas presents? Would his statement still have been acceptable?
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
No, it's not the same thing.
Responding to a question brought up in the OP itself is legitimate.
I don't see the difference, aside from that if the author for the day wants to talk about it.
I see no difference between my posting about getting back to work, and Wyrm’s about a money grubbing gf, except one spawned discussion about Fallout 3, and one didn’t do anything.
I don’t see how the offshoot of my comment spawning a discussion has anything to do at all with the fact that it was a response to the main post. The main post had nothing to do with Fallout, but that was the part that spawned the banter.
I think a better policy would be to have a blanket rule where all top level comments follow the guidelines.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
The difference is it's an actual question
This:
Who else has travel horror stories that end up with them working ungodly hours, or travel horror stories, or working ungodly hours stories?
is a specific question that can guide a discussion. Thewyrm’s comment above (and really, thewyrm, I’m not picking on you, I’ve done it, as have most of us) was an open-ended statement that had no obvious answer to it; it didn’t say “was this good or bad” or anything, or ask for follow-up. That’s what the mods are trying to stop.
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Why do you hate me?
Seriously though I was just curious if anyone had ever been in the same situation. Evidently not, so fair enough, topic can die.
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I don't hate you in the least
but I think what Matthew is getting at is that things like that better serve the post as direct questions rather than as implied questions. Had you expressly asked “has anyone been in this situation”, at the end of your story, it wouldn’t have been an issue.
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My problem with that thinking is that question from SB spawns a lot of top-level comments
that are not questions, and many wouldn’t lead to discussion.
Look at my post at the top of the thread. If I hadn’t put something about Fallout in it (and I almost didn’t), it never would have garnered more than one or two responses. In actuality, it was a weaker discussion topic than Wyrm’s was by far.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
If SB hadn't included a prompt about working ungodly hours, which you mentioned
I would have considered your post LL LJ.
This is kind of my point.
Maybe the questions from the author should instead be put in as comments at the top of the threads?
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My feeling is that is was dangerously close to
“…and now I’m here”
by JI on Jan 5, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
It's a fine enough topic.
The idea is to make it more conducive to responses and as far as that goes, flat statements are inferior to questions.
F'rinstance
“I have only been seeing my girlfriend for a few months but I payed for her to come with me and my family to Hawaii. Then proceeded to buy her a ton of new jewelry and some fancy dresses. Plus fancy dinners and whatnot. I kind of spoiled her…” could have been followed with
“…was this too much too soon? Did I overwhelm her?”
or that sort of thing.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry, I thought the question was inherrent.
I was looking to see if anyone else had invited a relatively new significant other on a huge vacation/holiday and what effects it may have had on their relationship.
I don’t see that as LLLJ at all, but I have less of a problem discussing somewhat personal things here than most.
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I always try to come home from vacation a day or two earlier than I have to.
I just can’t do the whole “get off the plane, go right to work” thing. Airports irritate me, so when I finally escape, I just want to go home and watch a movie or something.
I do the same thing dude.
I always plan for my leave to end on a Friday. That way I’ve got the whole weekend to recover/get ready for work again.
I'm the same
I book-end every vacation with a day, just so I can unwind a bit before getting back into the swing of things
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
This wasn't my plan... I was supposed to get to go home and sleep
now I am a zombie at work
Make sure you take advantage of getting off early by playing CoD for like 15 hours
That will help
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
't played in like three weeks. Hopefully my mic will be waiting for me when I get home...
but honestly, I’m going home, eating and then crashing until the game starts. I’m beat.
I was joking, of course
But go ahead and sleep when you get home, you wimp
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
And if the microphone gets you feeling down then you can use the feelings to shine your shoes
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
Has anyone else ever done phone surveys as a job?
Eight hours a day is much rougher than I thought it would be.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jan 5, 2009 9:01 AM PST reply actions
Yes. It is not fun.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
Taking or giving? I'd imagine taking would be harder.
I never talk, so I’m not sure I could do an hour of talking to people, let alone 8. Hats off to you either way.
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Giving. Saying the same questions over and over and over for eight hours.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jan 5, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
Are you on a computer dialer system?
Like it automatically calls out for you, and you’re calling places in the midwest and the like, so that you don’t get people you know? That was how it was for friends during high school. Just sit down, grab your headset, and begin your surveys. Sounds terribly repetitive, and you are a strong person for being able to put up with that
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
Probably 85% of my High School did that
I stayed the hell away from it, but it kept everybody busy. Of course, 85% of my school was working that job while high as fuck, so that probably made it more tolerable for them
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
I had a roommate who was hired by a company that does this.
On his first day of work, he made it to the front door and just stopped. Turned around and came back home.
Twas part of my first state government job...
Interviewing CPS workers for a study. So not quite survey stuff, but reading the same q’s over and over again — having to make sure you’re reading verbatim and collecting open-ended question responses as verbatim as possible.
And I’ve never really been one to love talking on the phone in the first place…
This signature space for rent.
Watch for the price of apple shares to drop.
OMFG without Jobs the company will never survive!!!!
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
I imagine thats why they kept it a secret for so long.
I dislike the cult of Jobs and the things that I have heard about his personality but the man deserves a right to keep his health private.
I don't know about that.
He runs a publicly-owned company. Do shareholders have a right to know about the mental and physical health of the person in charge of their investment? I think it’s an interesting topic.
Ever? Sure.
Ford Motors in the 20’s and 30’s comes to mind. Recently? Not so much.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
Ford was the example I had in my head but I wasn't sure of Henry Fords involvement back then.
Was he literally the only public face of the company for 10 years?
I believe so, yes
and my timeframe was a bit off, I think he was more dominant as a driving force (no pun intended) in the 10’s and 20’s.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
I think they definitely have a right to know
but Apple’s an interesting case because the people that love Apple LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE Apple and see Steve Jobs AS Apple, so a mere statement about his health can have a huge and ridiculous effect on Apple’s share price where, say, if the CEO of Boeing got sick, it wouldn’t make as big of a deal.
Apple’s just like any other company, in that they in all likelihood have a succession plan in place in case Jobs decides to stop working, but he’s so identified with Apple that it’s hard to separate the two in a lot of people’s minds.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
I am sure there is one in place,
but do shareholders (and here I mean in general, not just Apple shareholders), deserve to know the likelihood of that plan being executed? I will use another example to illustrate my question, and there shall be no further continuation on the direct line that I am about to open up; should people running for public office have their general health status public? Do I as a voter have a right to know if the candidate for office that I am voting for has cancer (for instance?)
Do not continue this along political lines, the corporation one is adequate. I just used a political-arena reference to frame the question.
People running for office DO make their general health status public, though
at least presidents/VP’s/US Congress level-politicians. CEO’s of publicly traded companies are under the same umbrella – they aren’t “required” to make their health status public, but if they are in a state of health that jeopardizes the future direction of the company (if they have cancer, etc), they do generally make it known, if only in passing, just to reassure shareholders.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
But clearly shareholders are concerned about any succession plan.
When someone posted a report on CNN’s iReport that Jobs had had a heart attack, Apple shares dropped 10%. I’ve never known any company whose fortunes were so closely tied to the health of its CEO.
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Funny this came up, I recently ordered a book The Machine That Changed the World.
At this point I’ve often thought there is a big difference between CEO’s that own a majority of stock in the company, and management that is only appointed and has limited stake in the future of the company besides a paycheck. It came up in a thread a few days ago in a different fashion in regards to management of Microsoft vs. the Big Three management, but currently I feel the underlying principle remains the same.
I’m not sure the specifics of Steve Jobs level of controlling interest, but people associate him with the creation of the company much as Bill Gates. The similarities between Gates and Ford are interesting. And even though he’s officially stepped out of management, if Gates took ill, I’d expect a drop in stock value. Whether or not Gates being ill is relevant to the stewardship of the company, I’d still expect to see a drop.
What happened to the Ford Company after Henry Ford left and his descendants took over is kind of interesting, whether or not this specific issue is discussed in the book I don’t know yet, but I’m really looking forward to reading this.
Formerly dpseadvr.
Yep another computer question coming up...
I just got my copy of Vista in the mail today. I can use this to put Vista on both my laptop and desktop correct?
You've got to be fucking kidding me.
It seems like I should be able to use the same program for all of the systems that I own. It’s not like I’m pirating it.
I bought a professional copy of XP with a jewel-key license.
I’ve never had that problem.
Yeah, but that never effected me because I had multiple (legal) copies of XP laying around.
I just rebuilt my desktop and decided to go with Vista. Meanwhile my laptop died (was XP) so I was hoping that I could just put vista on both.
Seriously, why would you do that?
XP is still a vastly superior OS to Vista.
And if you really want some Vista feature XP doesn’t have, download Windows 7. Windows 7 already does everything Vista does better than Vista does it.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
He already bought Vista so that advice may not be so helpful
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Not for the second machine he didn't.
I’m abandoning Vista. My new Desktop machine came with Vista, and I’m going to reformat and install a triple-boot of Windows 7, XP, and Win98 (for retro gaming).
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
I don't see a lot of software demanding DX10.
With Vista’s small market-share, requiring DX10 just reduces your customer base.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
I don't want DX10...
I want a DX7!
(Couldn’t resist…)
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jan 5, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Well, I failed to keep the product keys with the multiple legal copies of XP that I had.
Meaning I have 3 worthless copies here. So I would have had to buy a new copy of XP anyway and just decided to check Vista out.
If you buy a site license, then yes.
This is what companies do.
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I'm starting to freak out about my Xbox lately.
All of my close friends who have Xbox’s have red-ringed within the past month and a half (two of these friends have had it happen twice). This includes four Elites.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 10:02 AM PST reply actions
My 1st series 360 made it until the disk drive crapped out on me.
I bought an Elite to replace it.
Fear the NPE
I should also say that all of these Xbox's have been purchased within the last 18 months.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
Seems a bit odd.
Do your friends have a problem with putting their consoles into a place that doesn’t have much ventilation?
As far as I know, yes.
They’re all out in the open, not on carpet, not in a closed space, etc. etc.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
I should say, "no, they don't put their consoles in places that don't have ventilation"
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
I'd have to say you've got a strange sample of friends with 360s.
The Elite failure rate is not remotely that bad.
That's why I'm freaking out.
By the way, I mistyped there. That’s actually TWO Elites. Not four.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
All I can say is that I've sent one 360 in for RRoD work since 2005
and that was my own fault.
I sent in 3, if you count the one I sold to my brother
I’ll never forget how pissed I was when I finally booted up my launch box after a 23 hour wait in line and had it freeze repeatedly while playing Perfect Dark Zero.
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by tootthekazoo on Jan 5, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
All these stories are making me more scared to buy a 360.
Even an Elite.
Man do I love midgets.
They come with a warranty from MS.
And they are supposedly very good about enforcing it.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
I know, I've heard nothing but good things about the warranty,
but that doesn’t help me when it craps out in the middle of a game or something.
Man do I love midgets.
Anything could do that.
I work in IT, I know what happens to electronics. I’ve had blackberries die from just starting up. The failure rate on them is higher than average, but not horrendous. You just hear it more because it happens to the most vocal aspects of online society.
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I suppose.
I just never heard of these things happening with PS2’s or anything like that.
Man do I love midgets.
There wasn't a giant online community of asshole PS2 users.
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Correct
My neighbor/good friend went through more of them than I can remember. Towards the end we just started to repair them on our own
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by tootthekazoo on Jan 5, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
My PS2 died five times.
My PS3 is dead and needs a new optical drive.
Really?
My PS2 has worked perfectly ever since I purchased it.
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In Pullman, there was an electronics store that would open it and clean it for you.
It cost about $15, but it always did the trick whenever the machine would start having problems reading discs. I didn’t trust myself to do it, so once I moved away, my PS2 eventually died.
I gave up calling Sony on my PS2 and tore the thing open myself.
I don’t know why, but that thing is a dust magnet. Also had a problem with the optical drive’s laser going out of alignment.
Huh.
I’ve never heard of people having problems with PS2’s other than it might occasionally lock up during game play. They just reset and moved on.
Man do I love midgets.
The early PS2s had all sorts of weird problems
and if something went wrong Sony gave you the highway salute.
By the slim ones, they were golden though.
The only problems I had with those was disc reads.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
And that can be fixed on your own if you're so inclined
but god damn those early PS2s were buggy.
The PS2 slim is awesome.
Mine is over 4 years old now, had continuous use for 3 years, and still runs like a champ.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
I think mine is one of the old ones,
and it still runs like a champ. Even after being abused by my teenagers.
Man do I love midgets.
I bought mine the first week
I worked great. Plus, the backward compatibility was awesome.
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huh
googling “xbox 360 failure rate” in an attempt to back up Faux’s post with a low number to assuage Thingray, it seems that the failure rate was once reportedly as high as 68, most retailers reported it peaking at about 30, and it seems to be somewhere around 15-16% now. Even that 15% rate is still kinda high.
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For a small form factor computer it's not horrible.
It’s above average, but not Vidro level bad by any means.
When my company bought a bunch of small form factor Dells we had tons of them fail, like a 35% clip, and the tech I talked to at Dell said that was par for the course for the smaller machines. Just not enough air movement.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
Sounds like they need better fans.
I keep my consoles nice and cool though, and I don’t play for days on end without turning them off, so I should be fine.
Man do I love midgets.
Better fans can only do so much.
The main problem with air movement (ie heat dissipation) and SFF computers is that you have a certain decibel limit that people will allow before they complain. If you’ve ever played a 360, you’ll know that the fans on that are pretty loud right now.
The reason behind this is to get proper airflow, you either need air volume by fan size, or air volume by fan speed. Increasing speed on a fan increases noise, and also the likelihood of fan failure. And due to complaints that the original XBox was too big, you couldn’t fit standard 80mm fans in it, so they had to go dual 60mm, at a slower speed to cut down noise.
I would read this interview of one of the hardware designers, it’ll give you another take on basically what I just said, but probably a lot more eloquently. What he tries to explain is it’s basically a balancing act between power, heat damage, and aesthetics.
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If you follow the instructions not to let it overheat
you’ll be fine.
If you have a cabinet where you normally store game consoles, don’t put the 360 there.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
I keep mine loose on a stand in front of the TV.
Man do I love midgets.
They are much more reliable these days
They learned from their mistakes with hardware and have continuously been updating the chipsets. The warranty for the red ring deaths is phenomenal, and again the hardware reliability is much better. Besides, it’s completely worth it, even with the issues. Hell, with as many as I’ve burned through I can attest to them being worth it. I could have given up long ago
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by tootthekazoo on Jan 5, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
The Elites are supposed to be better anyway.
My friend has only had just one for about six months with no problems, so hopefully that’s normal.
Man do I love midgets.
I'm hoping that installing all my games to the hard drive will prevent the red rings.
I was on my third 360 in the first year of owning it, but that third one lasted two years and was fine before it got stolen a couple of weeks ago. Now I have a brand-new Elite, but I still paid for the extended warranty. There will always be a little bit of fear there.
Even without decent ventilation, as long as they don't get too hot I find they're fine.
My 360 is sort of hidden in a cramped corner with furniture all around it, but it sits on the floor, which is a hardwood floor directly over an unheated parking garage. That floor is always cold.
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Since the OT today is littered with technophiles,
has anyone used (consistently) a Solid State Drive yet? I’m assuming the prices will start dropping shortly as a.) this is always the case with technology and b.) flash drive technology has become dirt cheap.
Any concerns with reliability?
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My Asus EeePC is loaded with a solid-state drive
same with the fanless Mini-ITX machines I purchase for the company I work for.
I love them. Quick boot-up, low failure rate because of the lack of moving parts.
They are still a little iffy during power events, so I wouldn't consider one for a desktop machine.
But for laptops they are much more reliable than platter based drives.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
Depends on the desktop.
I love them in headless devices, but I wouldn’t use one for my regular-use desktop.
What I mean is they tend to be power-sensitive, and I wouldn't put them into a desktop because the fluctuations would get to them.
But laptops have much cleaner power all around, and tend to treat them better.
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Kotaku is reporting
that Sony may be axing thousands of employees and entire divisions within the next couple of months.
As unlikely as it seems to be, does anyone here think that the money-hemorrhaging Sony Playsation and Games division is at risk?
Not while that's their biggest source of BluRay push.
I’d look more for a slimmer, cheaper gaming console to come out next instead. I mean, the PSP is still doing well, isn’t it?
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I think I read some doom-and-gloom outlooks for the PSP from a few outlets.
How far off would that cheaper, slimmer console be? From everything I’ve read, the PS3 doesn’t have much room for price drops. Would this be a completely separate console?
I don't see how it wouldn't be.
I can’t find the links right now, but Sony America poached a few digital download company execs and high level workers a year ago or so. I can see them coming out with a completely online based console, bypassing the disc sales entirely, and talking to a few Sony reps at trade shows I’ve been to didn’t dissuade me of that. People at Sony have been talking about that for a while, and I think with the hardware sales failure of PS3s it becomes a definite possibility.
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I don't think the console was the only problem.
I think they have to try to make more fun games that are exclusive to Playstation, kind of like Xbox has Halo and etc, and the Wii is probably in a whole different league as far as gameplay goes.
I preferred "Hello" with the blind girl.
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I got a book called "Bloody Confused!: A Clueless American Sportswriter Seeks Solace in English Soccer" for Christmas and I really enjoyed it.
I also enjoyed “How Soccer Explains the World” and found it to be great. Does anyone have any recommendations about similar, fun to read metric football books?
Not football, but I'm finishing up "Running the Table: The Legend of Kid Delicious, the Last Great American Pool Hustler"
I’m not a fan of billiards, but holy shit this book is enjoyable. Kid Delicious is such an engaging personality. It’s definitely worth a read, even if you don’t like pool.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure what you mean by "metric football books"
but The Miracle Of Castel Di Sangro is a great read – it’s in a similar vein to Bloody Confused but it focuses on a single team in Italy.
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"Soccer" instead of the american version of "football" I think.
As for the American version, I just finished reading “Then Zorn said to Largent” about the Seahawks. Pretty good book.
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ah, got it
then you would definitely enjoy the book I linked to above.
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It's the one where people actually use their feet
and it was around first.
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I played it,
but I don’t enjoy watching it as much. If it’s a big match I’ll check it out, and I’m trying to get into the Sounders (but it’s hard until they actually play some games).
My primary sport for watching is the NFL though, closely followed by MLB.
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"Tor!" - "Morbo" - "The Glory Game"
and, yes, you probably have to put “Fever Pitch” on there as well.
Kittens give Morbo gas.
Man do I love midgets.
uh when?
That link goes to a live stream of Tyler Hissey…is there a schedule somewhere? Or is it going now?
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Roger Clemens walked by me down in the Bahamas on New Years Eve.
Can anyone else relate to this experience?
I did not walk by you on New Years Eve
so no. Did you attempt to speak to Mr. Clemens?
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I walked by Ron Sims in Seatac Airport last year.
Man do I love midgets.
Yes, actually.
In person his head still looks huge.
Man do I love midgets.
Hell no.
Me: Roger Clemens!
Clemens: ::ah shit::
Me: I, uh, I…. I am a Mariners fan.
Clemens: … Good for you?
Me: Yeah, I just thought I would say hi.
Clemens: ::rolls eyes::
He looked pretty intent on getting through the casino as fast as possible.
Only through you, more details!
Hot babe on his arm that was not his wife? Needle tracks? Look like he’s in shape? I’d say pull a Brett Favre, but Clemens kind of started that crap of not really retired yet.
Formerly dpseadvr.
Magic Johnson's to blame for that one actually
and Jordan’s just as bad.
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Magic had that "I was forced to retire because of HIV thing though".
Jordan (it is rumored) was something to do with his gambling issues.
Man do I love midgets.
that explains the first retirement but what about the second?
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For Jordan?
It doesn’t.
Man do I love midgets.
I've alway had my suspicions about the Jordan thing. Nothing like a good conspiracy.
It was just the timing of his baseball hiatus with the revelation of the gambling issue. I’ve often wondered if basketball realized they didn’t want to have a Pete Rose situation, especially with an icon of Jordan’s stature, but needed to punish him. Banished to the minor leagues! I’m probably not the only ding dong that’s had those thoughts though.
Formerly dpseadvr.
That's the rumor that was flying.
His gambling problem was about to go all Pete Rose, so they told him he had to come up with some reason to leave the league for a while. I don’t know if I buy it or not, but it’s fun to think about.
Man do I love midgets.
If they pulled that off, it's the greatest cover up since...(fill in the blank).
Dragging Jordan down would be a huge coup to a reporter. Don’t you think?
Formerly dpseadvr.
At that point, yeah
but now, it’d just be a shoulder-shrug moment.
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I would think so.
Plus the NBA let him into and ownership group which seems odd if the stories are true.
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That's right, he owned a piece of that craptastic team he played for at the end.
Did he have a piece of the Bulls before that?
Formerly dpseadvr.
Don't think so, just the Wizards.
Doesn’t he have part of the Bobcats now?
Man do I love midgets.
Dunno
My interest level in basketball waned and died after high school, and I tried to block out all anything related to Jordan after he came back. I want to remember him in his glory.
Formerly dpseadvr.
I know he's affiliated with them.
I think there’s an ownership stake included.
Man do I love midgets.
Yes, he's a part owner
as far as we can tell, he doesn’t actually do anything but occasionally show up at games wearing an orange blazer and sign some autographs
Was he having a party with Brian McNamee?
Was Jose Canseco there?
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random steroid joke!
Obligatory Canseco reference!
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
actually that wasn't a steroid joke. The allegations involving McNamee
were somewhat hinged around whether or not Clemens attended a particular party thrown by Canseco.
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!
either way it was only a matter of time before someone brought it up
so I figured I’d get it out of the way.
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All of this talk of what does and does not constitute an OFFTOP post
made me wonder. Do we need a 2009 edition of the Dead Memes post? It seems that memes are pretty well under control for the most part (and by “under control” I mean “beaten to death within a day or so never to be seen again”), but if we need it this might be the time to do it.
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"Meme" might be a meme.
Sometimes I think people are trying to be the quickest on the draw to label something a meme.
Formerly dpseadvr.
The word "meme" is indeed as overused as the concept it represents
but I can’t think of a better word to describe “unit of common cultural reference” so that’s what I used.
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My sentiments exactly. I had only heard the word meme used sparingly up until recently.
In fact, it is more frequent of OT’s than the word Ichiro.*
*I will not substantiate this claim with data.
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Whatever happened to a joke just "getting old"?
Man do I love midgets.
Silva fatty jokes will never die!
Formerly dpseadvr.
or even maymay
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!
what you mean is that's such an overused meme.
A meme itself is not positive or negative.
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row row row your boat gently down the stream, merrily merrily merrily life is but a dream
How about that? Ricocheting around in there like a stray bullet isn’t it, how do you like me now?!
Formerly dpseadvr.
I'm not sure I understand.
Man do I love midgets.
Just kidding around with the meme thread, viral thoughts, that kind of thing.
Nursery rhymes play hell with my head, I have dreams revolving around them sometimes. I find them more annoying than just about anything I can think of, most of the time.
Formerly dpseadvr.
Perhaps at some point once the season starts.
game threads are the hive centers for memes.
Going to be rough if the team gets better. What are you going to say then?
“Oh, Sexon would have hit into a GIDP right there!”, or “Remember Vidro? Yeah, only this guy is good.”
Formerly dpseadvr.
Interesting.
Didn’t seem like a need for them.
Man do I love midgets.
Makes sense I suppose.
Didn’t you rotate DH’s last year?
Man do I love midgets.
Between Hinske/Floyd/Gomes/Aybar/Baldelli yeah. It was a bit clustered and lacked production.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Burrell should be better.
I didn’t realize it was that much of a cluster.
Man do I love midgets.
Well, it wasn't all season.
Floyd, Baldelli, and Aybar missed time due to injuries.
Gomes was unlucky.
Hinske was hot in the first half then regressed.
Plus Hinske played right when Floyd DHed most nights, so um, yeah.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
For that you've been rewarded with an awesome front office.
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
How does he always know when we're talking about the Rays?
Impressive.
Big Z is the MAN.
by .Taylor on Jan 5, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
He seems like the type that constantly pushes F5 hoping for some comment ANY comment
by JI on Jan 5, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
Yes but I found out about F5 in the worst possible way.
by JI on Jan 5, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
C and Shift-C for me
Especially with the way that SBN automatically highlights a new comment, meaning a press of Z will blow out a comment without you ever being able to see it. Drives me insane
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
With my lack of being able to enter an OFFTOP until the evenings anymore I've been doing the same
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
You just contradicted your comment about the sexiest sexy person being busy.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jan 5, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
I am busy trying to feed you baby birds
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 5, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
reference
I saw his special on Comedy Central last night.
He had a great set.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jan 5, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
Once again, kudos to the Rays.
I know we normally don’t think of things in “roles,” but with that roster, it seemed like DH was their only real hole. What a nice problem to have.
Fangraphs has him as being worth $12 million last year ($8-$10 million the two years before that), so this looks like a solid signing. And he’s so awful in the field that being a DH should actually improve his value.
Airplanes are terrible
As soon as you get on there’s that distinctive smell that reminds you that you’re going to be spending the next couple of hours having your legs fall asleep and staring at the video map telling you the exact location of your plane. First class seats should be reserved for the taller people that need the leg room and not babies and small children who do not grasp the luxury they have been given.
I am now over... a different part of the Atlantic. Only 3 more hours of the same in flight movies until we are nominally over Greenland! (Which you wont be able to see anyway because it's night time and you're above the clouds)
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Which is amazing because look out of the window and it's the fucking AURORA BOREALIS
by Graham MacAree on Jan 5, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
I have never been lucky enough to catch that. That would be something to behold.
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I've seen it at least 4 times over Greenland
by Graham MacAree on Jan 5, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
I read somewhere that we Alaskans are gonna get hosed.
Due to some kind of Earth shift Siberia is going to get all the beautiful Northern Lights we used to get. I will say, once you se them over the Arctic Ocean you will never forget them.
Fear the NPE
Yeah, magnetic north moved.
The aurora are always centred around that because that’s where all the charged solar particules get funnelled by the magnetic field lines.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Next thing you know
you’ll be reading stories of how the aurora are buying yachts and English Premier League clubs and islands off of Dubai just like all the other damn oligarchs.
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I know
It’s why I stare at them instead of watching actual TV
I enjoyed seeing Monsters Inc. 2 times in English, once in Italian, and then wishing I had brought Ambien
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I've never flown on a plane with a video map.
That’d make my day, because I’m a scenery watcher. I always am curious about what lake or mountain I’m seeing.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Neither have I.
That would be awesome.
Man do I love midgets.
It's nothing that special.
You get a map that’s so high up just to give you a general spot where you are in relation to the ground. If you’re lucky you see a couple city names on it.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
Still, it'd be nice.
I can never tell exactly where I am. “Am I in Idaho, or Wyoming?”
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Does it even matter at that point?
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If the people are raising sheep, its Idaho. If they are fornicating with them, its wyoming.
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Wrong
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=wyoming+22fornicating+sheep22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=idaho+22fornicating+sheep22&btnG=Search
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 5, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Graphically!
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Fine. Reverse it. Like I should have said: if sheep sheep are being raised, Idaho.
Screwed? Wyoming.
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This is what I love about LL.
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You only love LL because Jeff loves LL.
by Robert on Jan 5, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If that's true, I'm sure glad Jeff doesn't love sheep.
(I will now wince as I wait for someone to google that)
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I'm so banned.
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Jeff+Sheep+Loving&word2=Idaho+Sheep+Loving
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
Although, this might save me.
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Jeff+Sheep+Loving&word2=Jeff+LL+Loving
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words cannot express my pride at the LL community right now
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and by that I mean
turn off the computer and go outside for a while.
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This seems to be more acurate.
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I'm thinking that subthread should probably be allowed to die
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not a Muse fan
but the question of “short list of greatest albums of the 00’s” is an interesting one. Gotta ponder that one for a bit.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
How long would the theoretical short list be?
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jan 5, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
10-15 at most for a shortlist I would think
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
I like Black Holes and Revelations better.
But no…though I’m probably gonna go 100 deep with my best albums of the 00s next December.
I used to like Shiny Toy Guns back when the stunning and talented Carah Charnow was the lead singer...
But they recently booted her out for one of the losers of the Pusscat Dolls reality show. I wish I was kidding. She not any good. Bail on the band now.
If you like a band and they hire someone from a reality show,
bailing is the best plan.
Man do I love midgets.
Billy Corgan: Bad Lyricist or Worst Lyricist?
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 1:50 PM PST reply actions
Worst.
And it’s not particularly close.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Evidence for the prosecution
Cherub Rock:
Hipsters unite
Come align for the big fight to rock for you
But beware
All those angels with their wings glued on
‘Cause deep down they are frightened and they’re scared
If you don’t stare
Rocket:
Bleed in your own light, dream of your own life.
I miss me, I miss everything I’ll never be, and on, and on.
I torch my soul to show the world that I am pure.
Today:
Pink ribbon scars that never forget.
I tried so hard to cleanse these regrets.
My angel wings were bruised and restrained.
My belly stings.
And that’s just from one album.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
And he maintained that level of quality for seven albums
eight if you count Mellon Collie And Oh My God Even The Title Is Horrible as a double album.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Yup.
Plus some solo stuff. Amazing, isn’t it?
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Zhit.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Yep.
I really wanted to go to the reading he did at Powell’s here when that book came out, and treat it as some sort of comedy revue, but I realized that I’d probably get angsted to death as soon as I started laughing out loud.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Early Scorpions albums
Steamrock Fever
Wed like to introduce tonight the kings of a brand new style
Theyre hungry to play
Wed like to introduce tonight the new heavy steamrock style
Quite different and strange
Alright, how do you feel tonight
Get up to see and cry the name of the band
(steamrock band, steamrock band)
Steam right with hands and feet tonight
Get up to see and cry, and they will begin
Here they are
Steamrock fever, screaming rock believers
Steamrock fever in L.A.
Speedy’s Coming
You look at a poster
You look at the wall
The wall in the room where you live
Where you live with your stars
Just listen to his records
Now hear what he says
For he says, “I love you little girl
Come to see me today”
Speedy’s Coming
You live in his house
But then, they couldn’t speak English; Klaus didn’t know what he was saying.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Those are indeed pretty bad
but I exempt most metal as they weren’t trying to make a serious statement about their feelings, like Billy Corgan was/is. They just wrapped some lyrics around killer riffs and went on with their business. I mean, KISS is one of my favorite bands, but you want to talk about inane lyrics, they got a million of ’em.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
No english.
Plain old R&R is a little different though. It’s not like KISS ever wrote deep lyrics.
Man do I love midgets.
great minds think alike.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
You're forgetting the solo album.
A100:
Fools like us remind me trust
The way I feel surround you up
Some might say my love is reaching you
Some might say that life is waiting:
Alone
YOU ARE LOVE
YOU ARE SOUL
YOU ARE TEARS
YOU I KNOW
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
THAT'S A TORTURED SOUL AT WORK YOU CALLOUS UNCARING NON-HIPSTER
oh, Billy Corgan, nobody understands you….
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
I love Siamese Dream, though.
The music itself is amazing. I just hate the lyrics.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
I can't separate the two in the case of Smashing Pumpkins
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
I was the same
I started to sing it and just began to laugh uncontrollably. We had to restart the song. I could have sworn that it was a joke by the developers or something
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
Hetfield popped into my head
but like pdb said, metal/hard rock should be exempt.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
No it shouldn't
at least not when they’re trying to be serious like Metallica often does
by JI on Jan 5, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
Them most heavy metal ranks as horrible.
It might as well all be Dethklock.
Man do I love midgets.
Yeah but the point is
it doesn’t matter how heavy the music is, if they sincerely try to be serious and fail miserably it’s no different.
by JI on Jan 5, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
I said most.
But somehow it is different to me.
Man do I love midgets.
Old Metallica had descent lyrics.
Something like Disposible Heroes is fine. It’s the new stuff that’s awful.
St. Anger was appalling.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
The guy from Train.
Dunno his name.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
It's the "soy latte" line that kills me.
Man do I love midgets.
Thankfully I'm not familiar enough with this song to know that line.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Although I would think that any Scott Stapp lyric might be as bad as Corgan
I think the Pumpkins win for sheer longevity.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
Stapp, is that Creed?
Man do I love midgets.
Yup.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Nickleback might be getting to that point.
They are ushering in the era of crunk rock with alarming quickness. I’m almost looking forward to the feud with the next Fred Durst.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
I was surprised too.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
There will always be angry suburban teenagers
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
They've gone the way of rappers,
and are now “singing” almost exclusively of money, women, and sex.
Rockstar signaled their decent into crunk rock.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
At least they were kind enough to announce their intentions.
The song pretty much says it all.
Man do I love midgets.
Of course, I'm through with standing in line myself,
but only because I’m too old and lazy to.
Man do I love midgets.
I liked it better when they listened to scary music.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 5, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
That's because there was a time when music was actually scary
but now it’s all prepackaged and myspaced and sanitized and hot-topic’ed and get off my goddamn lawn.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
true enough I suppose
it’s just been a while since I was an angry suburban teen so I’m not up on what they listen to as much as I used to be.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
That's a great song
it has some really fucking weird lyrics
I just stumbled on to a great older song
“Year of the Cat” by Al Stewart. Can anyone recommend anything similar?
Or "Oh Lord It's Hard To Be Humble".
Man do I love midgets.
It's my family theme song.
We’re a humble bunch.
Man do I love midgets.
I love that song.
Somewhere on Youtube is a live recording of that song with John Farnham singing the lead.
Normally I hate it when a band replaces their lead.
This is a rare exception.
AC/DC are about the only mainstream band
that’s done as well or better with the new singer as with the previous one, at least off the top of my head. They had no choice but to replace him, but still.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
was, not so much
they didn’t really become mainstream until Phil Collins took over.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Brian Johnson is not fit to clear the vomit out Bon Scott's throat.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 5, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't say "liked better" or "were better"
but they have sold as well or better as Bon Scott-era AC/DC.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
Not one tolerable song from the DLR days?
Man do I love midgets.
I think EVH is talented as hell.
But something about his music and Roth’s insufferable ego makes my skin crawl.
Fear the NPE
Still, there must be at least ONE song you can tolerate or say something nice about.
Man do I love midgets.
Now I have "Hot for Teacher" stuck in my head.
Man do I love midgets.
There are worse things.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
oh by the way
I see you accepted my friendingness on FB – did you want/need Portland advice? If so drop me a line on FB (I’m never on the chat thing so sending a message would be much more efficient) and I’ll be glad to help you out…
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
I think we're planning the Portland visit for a separate vacation.
But I’ll definitely contact you when the time comes, thank you!. (end LLLJ)
Man do I love midgets.
Not much different than Panama.
Why is one awful, and the other one “okay”?
Man do I love midgets.
I don't know. Roth just seems so vampy and ridiculous to me.
The dude seriously makes me queezy.
Fear the NPE
He is vampy and ridiculous.
But that was the style at the time.
Man do I love midgets.
And Unchained in an awesome song.
You want campy, listen to DLR’s solo stuff. Especially the second album “Eat ’em and Smile”. He assembled an incredible supergroup for that album (Steve Vai and Billy Sheehan?, but then he made a David Lee Roth record with it.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Okay then.
I figured there must be one decent one in your book.
Man do I love midgets.
Top Jimmy is a good song.
There are lots of good DLR-era Van Halen songs.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
To each their own.
They’re not my favorite, but I can groove to a DLR or old Van Halen song now and then.
Man do I love midgets.
I think Dez was Black Flag's best singer.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 5, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
just ask him, he'll happily tell you all about it
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
King of the neck vein.
Man do I love midgets.
and the running shorts.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
So tonight is my little brother's 21st birthday.
I’m taking him out for drinks, but I want to introduce him to “adult” drinking, not “under 21 let’s get fammered and stupid” drinking. Does anyone have some suggestions for drinks for him?
Man do I love midgets.
A good martini is always nice
as is a Manhattan. Sazeracs are good, mint juleps are nice, and you can never really go wrong with a well-mixed gin rickey.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
I may need to work up to those.
He’s drank before, but only Jager and cases of crap beer (pretty much). Gin & Tonic might work, but even I don’t care for those much most of the time.
Man do I love midgets.
I'd go with something sweetish, then
like a mint julep, a caipirinha, or a mojito.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
Another good choice, as is the greyhound mentioned below.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Just make sure he knows that the goal
is to enjoy the taste of the beverage, not to knock 9 of them down in an hour in an effort to get shitty drunk.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
Whiskey sour and mojitos are good calls.
What is a caipirinha?
Man do I love midgets.
It's Brazilian
1 part cachaca
2 tsp superfine sugar
lime wedge
Mix all ingredients in a cocktail shaker. Serve over crushed ice (smaller than cubes, but not like shaved ice).
Any serious bar should have cachaca, but if not, a little tequila and light rum in the same volume as cachaca (for example, if you use 2 oz cachaca, use 1 oz of tequila and 1 oz of rum) will suffice.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
How about superfine sugar?
We’re humble people going to a humble bar.
Man do I love midgets.
As with the cachaca, any bar worth its, uh, salt would have this*
but if not, normal sugar works just as well.
*your corner dive bar may not, but then corner dive bars are for ordering G&T’s and greyhounds anyway.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
I may be getting him G&T's and greyhounds then.
Although my corner dive bar does surprise me quite often.
Man do I love midgets.
Or if he prefers orange juice a screwdriver's always a good dive-bar option
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
or a vodka cranberry
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Or a cape cod
Damn it pdb, you just beat me to it.
I never actually knew that was called a cape cod though.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Still, for the didactic portion of the evening
I might get a nice bourbon like Basil Hayden’s or Woodford and just sip it verrry slowwwly to show that maybe there’s something to this whole enjoying-the-taste thing.
This or a good Scotch is a fine idea.
Man do I love midgets.
Yes, definitely, Scotch works at least as well.
I can’t believe my Glenlivet is almost gone. I’ll grab some Balvenie….
We'll just have to see.
I want him to have fun, but I also want to show him the more mature side of drinking.
Man do I love midgets.
Do they make a Sidecar?
Then they have appropriate sugar.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
They can make a sidecar.
Man do I love midgets.
I got laid to waste by drinking Washington Apples the whole night of my 21 run
Get ‘em on the rocks and you’re good to go. That or Jack and Coke, since that’s always tasty as well. I was much the same as your brother, where I had never really drank much before that point, and it was always shit when I did drink.
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
He's not new to drinking,
he’s just new to drinking anything of any quality. Washington Apple might be funny though. Jack or Captain and Coke is always safe as well.
Man do I love midgets.
AND CHOCOLATE CAAAAAAKE!!!
Man do I love midgets.
My friend came up with a good drink (variant on a Duck Fart):
1 1/2 oz. Gentleman Jack whiskey
1 1/2 oz. Frangelico
1 1/2 oz. Godiva chocolate liqueur
2 oz. milk (or half-and-half)
It’s called (drum roll please) The Moneyshot.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
I've heard those being ordered before, but I had no idea what was in it.
Man do I love midgets.
My drink is a vodka gimlet.
Though a vodka cranberry is good too if I want to get the drink specials.
the other angels fan
A good vodka gimlet is a Corco endorsed beverage
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Piggy-backing on the music thread I present to you the 5 best albums of the 00's.
5- Jimmy Eat World / Bleed American
4- U2 / All That You Can’t Leave Behind
3- the Mars Volta / De-Loused in the Comatorium
2- New Order / Get Ready
1- Muse / Origin of Symmetry
Fear the NPE
You lost me at Jimmy Eat World
I’ll have to go through my records tonight and see what my list would look like.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
As I sit here listening to Pet Sounds I beg to disagree
but that’s what I love about music – “best” means so many things to so many people that it makes for interesting lists.
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
I sang Sloop John B with a friend at karaoke a couple of weekends ago.
It was epic.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 5, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
Sloop John B is a classic.
Man do I love midgets.
that song always sends shivers up my spine
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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
I wanna go home
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