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OTFPOTD 1-5-09, I Haven't Done This In a While Edition

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Happy New Year, all! Hopefully 2009 goes better than 2008 on any level you want it to, but for all our sakes, let's apply this first and foremost to the Seahawks and Mariners.

Matthew just posted an OTFPOTD Guide which I suggest everyone read and familiarize themselves with. It's my opinion that the OFFTOP has been a very good influence for LL overall, though it's certainly come time to reign it in a little bit. Just remember what our old threads used to look like - lots of zany off-topic banter, but no personal 1-1 communication.

If you need to communicate 1-1 with another poster, many people post their e-mails on their profile pages; also, there's a LL Facebook group where many of us are friends and can use FB chat and messages for non-LL appropriate discussion.

I usually stay out of the music discussions, but I discovered the band Shiny Toy Guns over break thanks to my brother, and I thought I'd pass it along

In case any of you are wondering why the hell I'm posting the OTFPOTD at 4:30 AM PST, my flight out of Seattle got delayed three hours on the tarmac after already being delayed an hour pre-flight. They kept telling us "de-ice. fifteen minutes!" every ten minutes for three hours, so when I finally got to San Diego, I decided not to bother driving the half an hour home and just to stay at work and leave really early. Plus this way, I get to watch the Texas-Ohio State game!

Who else has travel horror stories that end up with them working ungodly hours, or travel horror stories, or working ungodly hours stories?

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Ahhhh, back to work.

It’ll be nice to get back into a routine.

Now if I could only get some Fallout time in here.

Most days I work what average office dwellers would call ungodly hours (I come in at 7A and leave at 8P or so most days). The only time I feel that I actually worked egregiously long hours was my shift of 6A Monday – 10P Tuesday one day (2 days?) in my company’s warehouse in LV.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 5:30 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have no clue. I got it yesterday morning,

and never got a chance to play it.

I did have time to load it onto my hard drive during halftime of the Phi/Min game (Damn you Vikings)

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 5:46 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I got it several weeks ago

But then my HDD melted, so I’ve been having some technical problems.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 5, 2009 9:36 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've been hitting the couple hours a night stage of things

I’ve taken to just wandering the wasteland and enjoying all the weird little stuff I come across. Wonderful game

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Jan 5, 2009 8:44 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"It's like The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion

but with assault rifles."

~Ben “Yahtzee” Crowshaw.

by BrianL on Jan 5, 2009 9:40 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And less bugs

And radiation poisoning!

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Jan 5, 2009 9:42 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And descisions with consequences.

I am the leader of the Mage Guild. However no one knows who I am and I still have to hunt wolves for the money to buy things?

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Jan 5, 2009 9:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or, how about this?

You’re a member of the Thieves Guild. Your mission is to steal the sceptre of the leader of the Mage Guild.

But you ARE the leader of the Mage Guild. Shouldn’t the Thieves Guild know that?

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 5, 2009 10:02 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is why open ended games will never be better than linear story driven ones.

Seriously, give me the Witcher over Oblivion every day of the week. Hell, look at Mass Effect. It had a open ended feel, but there was an actual story that gave consequences for the decisions you made. Holy hell do I miss the golden era where we had Baldur’s Gate and Planescape: Torment.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Jan 5, 2009 10:06 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And VATS.

The VATS really makes it Fallout 3 more of an RPG than Oblivion ever was because your character’s success at things is now tied to your character’s skills, rather than your skills as the player.

This is why shooters and RPGs usually don’t mix. Mass Effect dealt with the problem well, and now so has Fallout 3 (in an entirely different way), so the problem may now be behind us.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 5, 2009 10:00 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fuck I'm so excited, I just got my 360.

But I have a question. Do I sign up for Xbox live on the console, or do I have to buy a cd? Cause I saw online they are selling Xbox Live cards. Any help would be appreciated. Oh I got CofD World at War too! So geeked.

by brayden04 on Jan 5, 2009 7:02 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you just got the 360 new, it should come with a month of XBox Live Gold.

When you start up it should ask you in the opening sequence what all you want to sign up for or buy (Live Gold Sub & Microsoft Points).

The Live cards are for Parents and Grandparents to buy for their kids or as gifts, completely superfluous. You can do everything right from the console.

If you bought it used you should be able to find the System Setup in the settings somewhere, and it’ll take you through the first setup again, which includes the xbox live account setup and all that jazz.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 7:21 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's also more expensive to buy it through the console.

If you do it through the console, you pay $50. If you buy it from, say, New Egg, it’s only $40. Though the only way to really make ordering it from New Egg make sense is if you’re getting other stuff, otherwise paying the shipping is going to cancel out most of the savings.

by Phildopip on Jan 5, 2009 7:36 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting, I didn;t know this.

I just knew from brick and mortars I had seen, the point cards were right in line with the console prices.

I guess I’ll have to start shopping online for them.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 7:46 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So, wow, I'm FINALLY getting around to watching Michael Palin's "Around the World in 80 Days".

Has anybody seen this show? It’s a little dated (1988), but Palin is hysterical (as usual), and he does some really fascinating stuff.

by Phildopip on Jan 5, 2009 7:43 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's really interesting but be warned

all his subsequent travel shows are a case study in diminishing returns. They’re not bad, as such, but the first couple were so good that the rest seem like he’s just sort of going through the motions.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 7:47 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I really only have an interest in the first two.

That being said, has anybody else seen Ewan McGregor’s “Long Way Round”? I think it’s about equal to Palin’s “Around the World in 80 Days”.

by Phildopip on Jan 5, 2009 7:48 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the first two are a good stopping point really

the second was almost as good as the first. I haven’t seen Long Way Round, but I’m curious about it.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 7:51 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pole to Pole worked.

He travelled from the North Pole to the South Pole following 30° East. I liked that one.

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by Llewdor on Jan 5, 2009 9:38 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh by the way not to be pedantic

but it’s “rein it in” not “reign it in”. Think horses, not kings.

Since you got to work at 4.30AM are you only working until noon?

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 8:01 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BrianL, or anybody else with some computer knowledge, I need help.

I had my 500 GB Western Digital external hard drive die on me a while back. I’m pretty sure it’s a power supply issue, so I took apart the case, yanked the drive out of it, and was going to install it in my PC as an internal hard drive. However, this being the first time I’d ever done something like this, I realized I didn’t have everything I needed. For one thing, I didn’t have the right equipment to turn the ex-external hard drive into a slave internal drive, which required jumper pins (?). Is there somewhere I can buy a kit that has these in there?

by Phildopip on Jan 5, 2009 8:12 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you only have one CD-ROM installed, you may be able to take it from that. (Look at the back and make sure it doesn't require it)

Also, look at your motherboard and see if there is a jumper that is only attached to one pin. Lots of times, the BIOS password reset jump point has a jumper attached, but not on both pins so it is not active. If you have a non-massmarket machine (Not a Dell/HP/etc), sometimes the motherboards will have other spots that have extra jumpers as well.

If you’re friendly with your IT guys at work, lots of times they will have some, especially if the company has older HW sitting around somewhere.

Other than that, you could put it on your second channel (with your cdrom), set the CD to slave, and see if it works. It has for me before, depending on the drive. One thing that made a difference was make sure to put the HDD on the middle spot on the cord, and the CD on the end.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 8:40 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oof, that just went way over my head.

I’ve got a friend who is pretty computer-savvy. I may give him a call to see if he can do it for me.

by Phildopip on Jan 5, 2009 8:44 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The second one is pretty easy to do yourself.

Just look at your mainboard and see if any jumpers are not connecting anything, or just hanging out. Other than that, maybe Brian can explain it better.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 9:01 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hit the metal parts with a small hammer to get them loose, then tie the wirey parts together.

Then find the plasticy bits and arrange them in a circle.

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Jan 5, 2009 9:05 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you've hit Compaq's business plan on they head.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 9:05 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The...

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by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 9:08 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, you fool

If you’re doing it that way then it needs to be a running shower

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Jan 5, 2009 9:08 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This sounds like quality advice.

Don’t forget to plug it in before you stick the screwdriver into the power supply.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 9:07 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One thing he left out was that the jumpers are the small section of 8 pins, stacked in 2 rows of 4 (or something like that)

Generally there will be some markings on the drive that dictate what method will set it to slave

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Jan 5, 2009 9:08 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It may be somewhere else, like on a label.

If you have a model number for the drive, I can look it up for you.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 9:10 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was just helping him find a jumper.

It sounded like he knew what was going on from that point.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 9:10 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nothing wrong that you did that, really

But after seeing that it went past his knowledge of things, I figured that was a part of his issue

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Jan 5, 2009 9:12 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Before you spend a lot of time on this

make sure the hard drive itself is okay. Open up your case and plug one of the extra D-shaped power connectors into the hard drive, fire up your computer, and make sure the hard drive powers on. If it doesn’t, you probably have a fried PCB on the bottom-side of the HD.

by BrianL on Jan 5, 2009 9:36 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm having a similar problem, actually.

My second internal HDD became inaccessible, so I pulled it out and dropped it in an external USB enclosure to isolate the problem. The drive powers up and spins fine, and if I plug it in to any computer that computer recognises it as a HDD and assigns it a drive letter, but any attempt to read it (opening Windows Explorer, accessing that drive letter with a command prompt) causes a hang.

I’m still hopeful I can recover the data from the drive, but I’m not optimistic. It’s starting to look as if the best case is a badly corrupted partition table, with the only solution being a hard format.

Any data recovery suggestions?

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 5, 2009 9:50 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That sounds like the internal platters of the hard drive are going bad.

You could try a new PCB on it, but I don’t think it will help much.

by BrianL on Jan 5, 2009 9:54 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I told you that when it was initially failing

it would come and go (the BIOS would detect it some of the time, but not all of the time), would that confirm your diagnosis?

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 5, 2009 9:56 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My dad probably has the best system for digital pictures.

Every month he saves a copy of his picture collection to his desktop at home, his desktop at work, his laptop, and an external HDD.

by BrianL on Jan 5, 2009 10:17 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

in a world where offline backup services exist

that seems like a lot of work.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 10:18 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And?

I am under the impression that flickr doesn’t have an upload cap.

by Matthew on Jan 5, 2009 10:23 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I got a nasty email after 5GB in one month of uploading a batch of scanned pictures.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 10:24 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

(I have a pro account)

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 10:24 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My photog site has 150gigs.

I pay $~90 a year for it and my domain name. Every once in awhile I’ll bulk upload to my site. On top of filling external drives. For just more than double that, I could get unlimited storage.

I could spend a LOT more than $200 a year on external drives…

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jan 5, 2009 10:45 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll do that, thanks.

I know hard drives are becoming really inexpensive, but I’d rather just use one I already have if I can.

Here’s hoping it’s just fine.

Maybe you can tell from my experience what exactly is going on. It was a 500 GB Western Digital My Book external hard drive. I had it connected USB cable to my PC, and it was my K: drive. When I accessed the drive, I could hear the power kick in and the drive would start spinning, and a blue activity light would shine around the back-up button. One day I came home from work and the blue light (which is a ring, see this drive for a similar look…the two concentric blue circles) wasn’t spinning like it would be if the drive were in use. It was just lit up. I couldn’t do anything with it, I couldn’t access the drive, when I hit the button it didn’t do anything.

I decided to restart my computer. When I did this, the drive wouldn’t even come on.

by Phildopip on Jan 5, 2009 9:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rode a rustbucket of a boat for 18 hours one way to make one dive once.

After driving 6 hours to get to a dock waaaaaayyyyyy down in south Louisiana. Got on site, started setting anchors on a four point boat (4 anchors, 1 each corner) and an anchor literally fell off the boat. New anchor and some jackass had forgotten the critical last step of putting the pin through the little hole that connected it to the cable before we left the dock. Made one dive to reattach the cable, and the transmission for the cable winch burned out. Back to the dock. That boat was a real POS, floating tetanus shot.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Jan 5, 2009 8:21 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I made a critical mistake over the Holidays.

I have only been seeing my girlfriend for a few months but I payed for her to come with me and my family to Hawaii. Then proceeded to buy her a ton of new jewelry and some fancy dresses. Plus fancy dinners and whatnot. I kind of spoiled her and now I hope she doesn’t begin to look at me as a cash register. I don’t think she is the type, but it still kind of scares me.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Jan 5, 2009 8:54 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoa. After a few months?

I think I’d be a little scared if someone bought me jewelry and fancy dresses after just a few months, but if she’s not scared, then hey, she gets to go to Hawaii.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jan 5, 2009 9:00 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Point of reminder:

Please try to make topics more open-ended. Adding questions helps.

by Matthew on Jan 5, 2009 9:24 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think this topic would have been talked about and spawned a discussion if so many people didn't have SOs that read these.

I, however, have no comment.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 9:36 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

But at the same time, anyone who responds to the question posted at the top of the thread (long workdays/odd timing) would be guilty of the same thing.

What if SB’s question had been about over the top Christmas presents? Would his statement still have been acceptable?

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 9:41 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, it's not the same thing.

Responding to a question brought up in the OP itself is legitimate.

by Matthew on Jan 5, 2009 9:47 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't see the difference, aside from that if the author for the day wants to talk about it.

I see no difference between my posting about getting back to work, and Wyrm’s about a money grubbing gf, except one spawned discussion about Fallout 3, and one didn’t do anything.

I don’t see how the offshoot of my comment spawning a discussion has anything to do at all with the fact that it was a response to the main post. The main post had nothing to do with Fallout, but that was the part that spawned the banter.

I think a better policy would be to have a blanket rule where all top level comments follow the guidelines.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 10:12 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The difference is it's an actual question

This:

Who else has travel horror stories that end up with them working ungodly hours, or travel horror stories, or working ungodly hours stories?

is a specific question that can guide a discussion. Thewyrm’s comment above (and really, thewyrm, I’m not picking on you, I’ve done it, as have most of us) was an open-ended statement that had no obvious answer to it; it didn’t say “was this good or bad” or anything, or ask for follow-up. That’s what the mods are trying to stop.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 10:17 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why do you hate me?

Seriously though I was just curious if anyone had ever been in the same situation. Evidently not, so fair enough, topic can die.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Jan 5, 2009 10:19 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't hate you in the least

but I think what Matthew is getting at is that things like that better serve the post as direct questions rather than as implied questions. Had you expressly asked “has anyone been in this situation”, at the end of your story, it wouldn’t have been an issue.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 10:22 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My problem with that thinking is that question from SB spawns a lot of top-level comments

that are not questions, and many wouldn’t lead to discussion.

Look at my post at the top of the thread. If I hadn’t put something about Fallout in it (and I almost didn’t), it never would have garnered more than one or two responses. In actuality, it was a weaker discussion topic than Wyrm’s was by far.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 10:22 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is kind of my point.

Maybe the questions from the author should instead be put in as comments at the top of the threads?

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 10:23 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a fine enough topic.

The idea is to make it more conducive to responses and as far as that goes, flat statements are inferior to questions.

by Matthew on Jan 5, 2009 9:39 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

F'rinstance

“I have only been seeing my girlfriend for a few months but I payed for her to come with me and my family to Hawaii. Then proceeded to buy her a ton of new jewelry and some fancy dresses. Plus fancy dinners and whatnot. I kind of spoiled her…” could have been followed with

“…was this too much too soon? Did I overwhelm her?”

or that sort of thing.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 9:42 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry, I thought the question was inherrent.

I was looking to see if anyone else had invited a relatively new significant other on a huge vacation/holiday and what effects it may have had on their relationship.

I don’t see that as LLLJ at all, but I have less of a problem discussing somewhat personal things here than most.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Jan 5, 2009 9:53 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I always try to come home from vacation a day or two earlier than I have to.

I just can’t do the whole “get off the plane, go right to work” thing. Airports irritate me, so when I finally escape, I just want to go home and watch a movie or something.

by Teej on Jan 5, 2009 8:55 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do the same thing dude.

I always plan for my leave to end on a Friday. That way I’ve got the whole weekend to recover/get ready for work again.

by coolguyrob on Jan 5, 2009 8:58 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm the same

I book-end every vacation with a day, just so I can unwind a bit before getting back into the swing of things

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Jan 5, 2009 8:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Has anyone else ever done phone surveys as a job?

Eight hours a day is much rougher than I thought it would be.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jan 5, 2009 9:01 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes. It is not fun.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 9:04 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Taking or giving? I'd imagine taking would be harder.

I never talk, so I’m not sure I could do an hour of talking to people, let alone 8. Hats off to you either way.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 9:04 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are you on a computer dialer system?

Like it automatically calls out for you, and you’re calling places in the midwest and the like, so that you don’t get people you know? That was how it was for friends during high school. Just sit down, grab your headset, and begin your surveys. Sounds terribly repetitive, and you are a strong person for being able to put up with that

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Jan 5, 2009 9:37 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably 85% of my High School did that

I stayed the hell away from it, but it kept everybody busy. Of course, 85% of my school was working that job while high as fuck, so that probably made it more tolerable for them

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Jan 5, 2009 9:10 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I did.

I quit after 20 minutes.

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by Llewdor on Jan 5, 2009 9:39 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Twas part of my first state government job...

Interviewing CPS workers for a study. So not quite survey stuff, but reading the same q’s over and over again — having to make sure you’re reading verbatim and collecting open-ended question responses as verbatim as possible.

And I’ve never really been one to love talking on the phone in the first place…

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jan 5, 2009 9:44 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Watch for the price of apple shares to drop.

OMFG without Jobs the company will never survive!!!!

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 9:09 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I imagine thats why they kept it a secret for so long.

I dislike the cult of Jobs and the things that I have heard about his personality but the man deserves a right to keep his health private.

by Robert on Jan 5, 2009 9:11 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know about that.

He runs a publicly-owned company. Do shareholders have a right to know about the mental and physical health of the person in charge of their investment? I think it’s an interesting topic.

by Matthew on Jan 5, 2009 9:27 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ever? Sure.

Ford Motors in the 20’s and 30’s comes to mind. Recently? Not so much.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 9:32 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I believe so, yes

and my timeframe was a bit off, I think he was more dominant as a driving force (no pun intended) in the 10’s and 20’s.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 9:45 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think they definitely have a right to know

but Apple’s an interesting case because the people that love Apple LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE Apple and see Steve Jobs AS Apple, so a mere statement about his health can have a huge and ridiculous effect on Apple’s share price where, say, if the CEO of Boeing got sick, it wouldn’t make as big of a deal.

Apple’s just like any other company, in that they in all likelihood have a succession plan in place in case Jobs decides to stop working, but he’s so identified with Apple that it’s hard to separate the two in a lot of people’s minds.

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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 9:30 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am sure there is one in place,

but do shareholders (and here I mean in general, not just Apple shareholders), deserve to know the likelihood of that plan being executed? I will use another example to illustrate my question, and there shall be no further continuation on the direct line that I am about to open up; should people running for public office have their general health status public? Do I as a voter have a right to know if the candidate for office that I am voting for has cancer (for instance?)

Do not continue this along political lines, the corporation one is adequate. I just used a political-arena reference to frame the question.

by Matthew on Jan 5, 2009 9:36 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

People running for office DO make their general health status public, though

at least presidents/VP’s/US Congress level-politicians. CEO’s of publicly traded companies are under the same umbrella – they aren’t “required” to make their health status public, but if they are in a state of health that jeopardizes the future direction of the company (if they have cancer, etc), they do generally make it known, if only in passing, just to reassure shareholders.

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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 9:41 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But clearly shareholders are concerned about any succession plan.

When someone posted a report on CNN’s iReport that Jobs had had a heart attack, Apple shares dropped 10%. I’ve never known any company whose fortunes were so closely tied to the health of its CEO.

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by Llewdor on Jan 5, 2009 9:46 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Funny this came up, I recently ordered a book The Machine That Changed the World.

  At this point I’ve often thought there is a big difference between CEO’s that own a majority of stock in the company, and management that is only appointed and has limited stake in the future of the company besides a paycheck. It came up in a thread a few days ago in a different fashion in regards to management of Microsoft vs. the Big Three management, but currently I feel the underlying principle remains the same.

I’m not sure the specifics of Steve Jobs level of controlling interest, but people associate him with the creation of the company much as Bill Gates. The similarities between Gates and Ford are interesting. And even though he’s officially stepped out of management, if Gates took ill, I’d expect a drop in stock value. Whether or not Gates being ill is relevant to the stewardship of the company, I’d still expect to see a drop.

  What happened to the Ford Company after Henry Ford left and his descendants took over is kind of interesting, whether or not this specific issue is discussed in the book I don’t know yet, but I’m really looking forward to reading this.

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by Kermit. on Jan 5, 2009 11:13 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep another computer question coming up...

I just got my copy of Vista in the mail today. I can use this to put Vista on both my laptop and desktop correct?

by coolguyrob on Jan 5, 2009 9:45 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No

Well yes but after 30 days whichever copy you didnt activate will be gimped.

by Robert on Jan 5, 2009 9:47 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You've got to be fucking kidding me.

It seems like I should be able to use the same program for all of the systems that I own. It’s not like I’m pirating it.

by coolguyrob on Jan 5, 2009 9:49 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, but that never effected me because I had multiple (legal) copies of XP laying around.

I just rebuilt my desktop and decided to go with Vista. Meanwhile my laptop died (was XP) so I was hoping that I could just put vista on both.

by coolguyrob on Jan 5, 2009 9:56 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously, why would you do that?

XP is still a vastly superior OS to Vista.

And if you really want some Vista feature XP doesn’t have, download Windows 7. Windows 7 already does everything Vista does better than Vista does it.

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by Llewdor on Jan 5, 2009 9:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not for the second machine he didn't.

I’m abandoning Vista. My new Desktop machine came with Vista, and I’m going to reformat and install a triple-boot of Windows 7, XP, and Win98 (for retro gaming).

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by Llewdor on Jan 5, 2009 10:05 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do.

But some stuff just isn’t that retro.

Baldur’s Gate has never run well under XP. There’s some annoying flicker of the transparent effects.

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by Llewdor on Jan 5, 2009 10:33 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, I failed to keep the product keys with the multiple legal copies of XP that I had.

Meaning I have 3 worthless copies here. So I would have had to buy a new copy of XP anyway and just decided to check Vista out.

by coolguyrob on Jan 5, 2009 10:00 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you buy a site license, then yes.

This is what companies do.

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by Llewdor on Jan 5, 2009 9:55 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm starting to freak out about my Xbox lately.

All of my close friends who have Xbox’s have red-ringed within the past month and a half (two of these friends have had it happen twice). This includes four Elites.

by Phildopip on Jan 5, 2009 10:02 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seems a bit odd.

Do your friends have a problem with putting their consoles into a place that doesn’t have much ventilation?

by BrianL on Jan 5, 2009 10:07 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As far as I know, yes.

They’re all out in the open, not on carpet, not in a closed space, etc. etc.

by Phildopip on Jan 5, 2009 10:08 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's why I'm freaking out.

By the way, I mistyped there. That’s actually TWO Elites. Not four.

by Phildopip on Jan 5, 2009 10:13 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I sent in 3, if you count the one I sold to my brother

I’ll never forget how pissed I was when I finally booted up my launch box after a 23 hour wait in line and had it freeze repeatedly while playing Perfect Dark Zero.

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by tootthekazoo on Jan 5, 2009 12:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They come with a warranty from MS.

And they are supposedly very good about enforcing it.

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by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 12:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know, I've heard nothing but good things about the warranty,

but that doesn’t help me when it craps out in the middle of a game or something.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Jan 5, 2009 12:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anything could do that.

I work in IT, I know what happens to electronics. I’ve had blackberries die from just starting up. The failure rate on them is higher than average, but not horrendous. You just hear it more because it happens to the most vocal aspects of online society.

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by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 12:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I suppose.

I just never heard of these things happening with PS2’s or anything like that.

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by Thingray on Jan 5, 2009 12:53 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There wasn't a giant online community of asshole PS2 users.

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by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 12:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Correct

My neighbor/good friend went through more of them than I can remember. Towards the end we just started to repair them on our own

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by tootthekazoo on Jan 5, 2009 12:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My PS2 died five times.

My PS3 is dead and needs a new optical drive.

by BrianL on Jan 5, 2009 1:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really?

My PS2 has worked perfectly ever since I purchased it.

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by Thingray on Jan 5, 2009 1:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In Pullman, there was an electronics store that would open it and clean it for you.

It cost about $15, but it always did the trick whenever the machine would start having problems reading discs. I didn’t trust myself to do it, so once I moved away, my PS2 eventually died.

by Teej on Jan 5, 2009 1:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I gave up calling Sony on my PS2 and tore the thing open myself.

I don’t know why, but that thing is a dust magnet. Also had a problem with the optical drive’s laser going out of alignment.

by BrianL on Jan 5, 2009 1:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huh.

I’ve never heard of people having problems with PS2’s other than it might occasionally lock up during game play. They just reset and moved on.

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by Thingray on Jan 5, 2009 1:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The early PS2s had all sorts of weird problems

and if something went wrong Sony gave you the highway salute.

by BrianL on Jan 5, 2009 1:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By the slim ones, they were golden though.

The only problems I had with those was disc reads.

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by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 1:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The PS2 slim is awesome.

Mine is over 4 years old now, had continuous use for 3 years, and still runs like a champ.

by Phildopip on Jan 5, 2009 1:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think mine is one of the old ones,

and it still runs like a champ. Even after being abused by my teenagers.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Jan 5, 2009 1:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I bought mine the first week

I worked great. Plus, the backward compatibility was awesome.

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by Llewdor on Jan 5, 2009 2:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

huh

googling “xbox 360 failure rate” in an attempt to back up Faux’s post with a low number to assuage Thingray, it seems that the failure rate was once reportedly as high as 68, most retailers reported it peaking at about 30, and it seems to be somewhere around 15-16% now. Even that 15% rate is still kinda high.

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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 12:53 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For a small form factor computer it's not horrible.

It’s above average, but not Vidro level bad by any means.

When my company bought a bunch of small form factor Dells we had tons of them fail, like a 35% clip, and the tech I talked to at Dell said that was par for the course for the smaller machines. Just not enough air movement.

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by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 12:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That makes sense.

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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 12:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds like they need better fans.

I keep my consoles nice and cool though, and I don’t play for days on end without turning them off, so I should be fine.

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by Thingray on Jan 5, 2009 1:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Better fans can only do so much.

The main problem with air movement (ie heat dissipation) and SFF computers is that you have a certain decibel limit that people will allow before they complain. If you’ve ever played a 360, you’ll know that the fans on that are pretty loud right now.

The reason behind this is to get proper airflow, you either need air volume by fan size, or air volume by fan speed. Increasing speed on a fan increases noise, and also the likelihood of fan failure. And due to complaints that the original XBox was too big, you couldn’t fit standard 80mm fans in it, so they had to go dual 60mm, at a slower speed to cut down noise.

I would read this interview of one of the hardware designers, it’ll give you another take on basically what I just said, but probably a lot more eloquently. What he tries to explain is it’s basically a balancing act between power, heat damage, and aesthetics.

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by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 1:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you follow the instructions not to let it overheat

you’ll be fine.

If you have a cabinet where you normally store game consoles, don’t put the 360 there.

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by Llewdor on Jan 5, 2009 12:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They are much more reliable these days

They learned from their mistakes with hardware and have continuously been updating the chipsets. The warranty for the red ring deaths is phenomenal, and again the hardware reliability is much better. Besides, it’s completely worth it, even with the issues. Hell, with as many as I’ve burned through I can attest to them being worth it. I could have given up long ago

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by tootthekazoo on Jan 5, 2009 12:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Elites are supposed to be better anyway.

My friend has only had just one for about six months with no problems, so hopefully that’s normal.

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by Thingray on Jan 5, 2009 12:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm hoping that installing all my games to the hard drive will prevent the red rings.

I was on my third 360 in the first year of owning it, but that third one lasted two years and was fine before it got stolen a couple of weeks ago. Now I have a brand-new Elite, but I still paid for the extended warranty. There will always be a little bit of fear there.

by Teej on Jan 5, 2009 10:17 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even without decent ventilation, as long as they don't get too hot I find they're fine.

My 360 is sort of hidden in a cramped corner with furniture all around it, but it sits on the floor, which is a hardwood floor directly over an unheated parking garage. That floor is always cold.

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by Llewdor on Jan 5, 2009 10:34 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Since the OT today is littered with technophiles,

has anyone used (consistently) a Solid State Drive yet? I’m assuming the prices will start dropping shortly as a.) this is always the case with technology and b.) flash drive technology has become dirt cheap.

Any concerns with reliability?

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by abender20 on Jan 5, 2009 10:03 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My Asus EeePC is loaded with a solid-state drive

same with the fanless Mini-ITX machines I purchase for the company I work for.

I love them. Quick boot-up, low failure rate because of the lack of moving parts.

by BrianL on Jan 5, 2009 10:05 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They are still a little iffy during power events, so I wouldn't consider one for a desktop machine.

But for laptops they are much more reliable than platter based drives.

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by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 10:16 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Depends on the desktop.

I love them in headless devices, but I wouldn’t use one for my regular-use desktop.

by BrianL on Jan 5, 2009 10:18 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What I mean is they tend to be power-sensitive, and I wouldn't put them into a desktop because the fluctuations would get to them.

But laptops have much cleaner power all around, and tend to treat them better.

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by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 10:46 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kotaku is reporting

that Sony may be axing thousands of employees and entire divisions within the next couple of months.

As unlikely as it seems to be, does anyone here think that the money-hemorrhaging Sony Playsation and Games division is at risk?

by BrianL on Jan 5, 2009 10:13 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not while that's their biggest source of BluRay push.

I’d look more for a slimmer, cheaper gaming console to come out next instead. I mean, the PSP is still doing well, isn’t it?

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by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 10:18 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think I read some doom-and-gloom outlooks for the PSP from a few outlets.

How far off would that cheaper, slimmer console be? From everything I’ve read, the PS3 doesn’t have much room for price drops. Would this be a completely separate console?

by BrianL on Jan 5, 2009 10:21 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't see how it wouldn't be.

I can’t find the links right now, but Sony America poached a few digital download company execs and high level workers a year ago or so. I can see them coming out with a completely online based console, bypassing the disc sales entirely, and talking to a few Sony reps at trade shows I’ve been to didn’t dissuade me of that. People at Sony have been talking about that for a while, and I think with the hardware sales failure of PS3s it becomes a definite possibility.

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by Faux on Jan 5, 2009 10:29 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think the console was the only problem.

I think they have to try to make more fun games that are exclusive to Playstation, kind of like Xbox has Halo and etc, and the Wii is probably in a whole different league as far as gameplay goes.

by Fin on Jan 5, 2009 10:31 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I got a book called "Bloody Confused!: A Clueless American Sportswriter Seeks Solace in English Soccer" for Christmas and I really enjoyed it.

I also enjoyed “How Soccer Explains the World” and found it to be great. Does anyone have any recommendations about similar, fun to read metric football books?

by HARRYP09 on Jan 5, 2009 10:41 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not football, but I'm finishing up "Running the Table: The Legend of Kid Delicious, the Last Great American Pool Hustler"

I’m not a fan of billiards, but holy shit this book is enjoyable. Kid Delicious is such an engaging personality. It’s definitely worth a read, even if you don’t like pool.

by Phildopip on Jan 5, 2009 10:46 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not sure what you mean by "metric football books"

but The Miracle Of Castel Di Sangro is a great read – it’s in a similar vein to Bloody Confused but it focuses on a single team in Italy.

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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 10:50 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Soccer" instead of the american version of "football" I think.

As for the American version, I just finished reading “Then Zorn said to Largent” about the Seahawks. Pretty good book.

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by Thingray on Jan 5, 2009 11:03 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ah, got it

then you would definitely enjoy the book I linked to above.

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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 11:15 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's the one where people actually use their feet

and it was around first.

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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 11:19 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I played it,

but I don’t enjoy watching it as much. If it’s a big match I’ll check it out, and I’m trying to get into the Sounders (but it’s hard until they actually play some games).

My primary sport for watching is the NFL though, closely followed by MLB.

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by Thingray on Jan 5, 2009 11:21 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Tor!" - "Morbo" - "The Glory Game"

and, yes, you probably have to put “Fever Pitch” on there as well.

by marc w on Jan 5, 2009 11:21 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I did not walk by you on New Years Eve

so no. Did you attempt to speak to Mr. Clemens?

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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 11:20 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hell no.

Me: Roger Clemens!
Clemens: ::ah shit::
Me: I, uh, I…. I am a Mariners fan.
Clemens: … Good for you?
Me: Yeah, I just thought I would say hi.
Clemens: ::rolls eyes::

He looked pretty intent on getting through the casino as fast as possible.

by Wilder. on Jan 5, 2009 11:33 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Only through you, more details!

Hot babe on his arm that was not his wife? Needle tracks? Look like he’s in shape? I’d say pull a Brett Favre, but Clemens kind of started that crap of not really retired yet.

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by Kermit. on Jan 5, 2009 11:21 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Magic Johnson's to blame for that one actually

and Jordan’s just as bad.

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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 11:22 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Magic had that "I was forced to retire because of HIV thing though".

Jordan (it is rumored) was something to do with his gambling issues.

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by Thingray on Jan 5, 2009 11:24 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've alway had my suspicions about the Jordan thing. Nothing like a good conspiracy.

It was just the timing of his baseball hiatus with the revelation of the gambling issue. I’ve often wondered if basketball realized they didn’t want to have a Pete Rose situation, especially with an icon of Jordan’s stature, but needed to punish him. Banished to the minor leagues! I’m probably not the only ding dong that’s had those thoughts though.

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by Kermit. on Jan 5, 2009 11:26 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's the rumor that was flying.

His gambling problem was about to go all Pete Rose, so they told him he had to come up with some reason to leave the league for a while. I don’t know if I buy it or not, but it’s fun to think about.

Man do I love midgets.

by Thingray on Jan 5, 2009 11:27 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If they pulled that off, it's the greatest cover up since...(fill in the blank).

Dragging Jordan down would be a huge coup to a reporter. Don’t you think?

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by Kermit. on Jan 5, 2009 11:30 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At that point, yeah

but now, it’d just be a shoulder-shrug moment.

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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 11:31 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would think so.

Plus the NBA let him into and ownership group which seems odd if the stories are true.

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by Thingray on Jan 5, 2009 11:39 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't think so, just the Wizards.

Doesn’t he have part of the Bobcats now?

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by Thingray on Jan 5, 2009 11:44 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dunno

My interest level in basketball waned and died after high school, and I tried to block out all anything related to Jordan after he came back. I want to remember him in his glory.

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by Kermit. on Jan 5, 2009 11:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know he's affiliated with them.

I think there’s an ownership stake included.

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by Thingray on Jan 5, 2009 11:58 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, he's a part owner

as far as we can tell, he doesn’t actually do anything but occasionally show up at games wearing an orange blazer and sign some autographs

by seattlebruin on Jan 5, 2009 8:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Was he having a party with Brian McNamee?

Was Jose Canseco there?

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by abender20 on Jan 5, 2009 11:22 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

random steroid joke!

Obligatory Canseco reference!

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by pdb on Jan 5, 2009 11:23 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

actually that wasn't a steroid joke. The allegations involving McNamee

were somewhat hinged around whether or not Clemens attended a particular party thrown by Canseco.

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by abender20 on Jan 5, 2009 11:26 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs