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Community Projection: Jeff Clement

The twelfth in a non-alphabetical and irregularly updated series of review pieces for each(?) of the players we predicted last spring.

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Disastrous seasons aren't supposed to coincide with a 1.131 OPS in AAA, but I think it's fair to say that a disastrous season is exactly what Jeff Clement had in 2008.

After turning the corner and coming on strong in Tacoma in 2007, Clement kicked off 2008 hotter than vintage Eliza Dushku in a hockey jersey, collecting twice as many walks as strikeouts through the first month and batting nearly .400 on his way to a late April promotion. Having made the move while still hovering around .500, the Mariners intended to use Clement's scorching bat to ignite a slumping offense in need of new blood. Instead, though, Clement struggled to produce, collecting only eight hits in 15 games without a single home run before getting sent back to the minors in May. Whether or not the demotion was justifiable is an open question - at the time, Jose Vidro was just as big a pile of crap - but that's a separate matter, and the bottom line is that, when given his first trial, Jeff Clement didn't take advantage.

So Clement spent another month beating the snot out of the ball in Tacoma. Where his April was partially inflated by a high BABIP, over 109 PAs in May and June Clement slugged a legitimate .670, clubbing nine homers while hitting 50% fly balls. Once again he demonstrated that he had nothing left to learn at the plate in the minors, so once again he got promoted to the big leagues, this time in an effort to introduce more youth to a ballclub going nowhere.

And once again, he struggled. Things weren't quite as bad this time as they had been earlier, but he was still striking out too often, and he didn't hit a home run after July 13th. His .245/.298/.394 batting line over the course of his second extended stint gave him a total .655 OPS on the season, and while there were occasional glimpses of power and discipline, the impression he left was that of a young player in no way shape or form prepared to hit against Major League pitchers. It was a disappointment of a big league campaign that ended with Clement getting a knee procedure for the second time in three years.

I don't know that things really could've gone much worse for Clement in Seattle. Just consider the three elements of his game:

  • OFFENSE: Clement's plate discipline disappeared when he got to the big leagues. His swing rate on balls in the zone was below-average while his swing rate on balls out of the zone ranked in the upper fifth. In other words, while Clement was swinging the bat with normal frequency, he wasn't swinging at the right pitches. He went fishing after too many sliders, struggled with changeups, and did his best to simply ignore curveballs. When he made contact, he was able to hit the ball with some degree of force, but neither his home runs nor his line drives showed up nearly as often as his minor league performance would've predicted. It was an all-around bad year for a guy who had the tools to be a whole hell of a lot better.
  • DEFENSE: A project behind the plate since the day he was drafted, Clement still didn't look very comfortable this past season. While there's no way for us to quantify how well or how poorly a guy calls a game, Clement had trouble in every other relevant area, from receiving the ball to fielding pop-ups to throwing out runners. His footwork remains all kinds of bad, and while there was improvement, there wasn't enough.
  • HEALTH: Two knee surgeries in three years. From the press release:

    Mariners medical director Dr. Edward Khalfayan will perform the arthroscopic procedure to repair a lateral meniscus tear and a medial meniscus tear in Clement's left knee...It is believed the tears were the result of normal wear and tear, not any one traumatic incident.

    Clement is 25 years old, and he's already had two knee operations to address issues brought about by the wear and tear of his everyday job. It's worse that these tears aren't the result of a traumatic accident, because at least those are accidents. Being  the result of wear and tear is an indication that Clement's body is unable to withstand the rigors of his work.

There can't be a Mariner coach or fan in the world who feels good about Jeff Clement's 2008. The season provided so many more questions than answers, and that's the last thing this team needed from a guy they've been counting on to help pull them out of the cellar. Jeff Clement was supposed to be an established, successful big leaguer by now. Instead, four years into his professional career, he's a questionable bat without a position.

The "questionable bat" is the lesser of Clement's main problems going forward. While there's no ignoring his struggles, it's not fair to evaluate Clement's offensive ability by looking at the poor numbers he's put up in the big leagues so far. He does have a decent eye, he does have good power, and he does have a pretty high ceiling. These are irrefutable facts. It's just that what Clement did in Seattle this year served to squelch the excitement generated by what he did in Tacoma. It's not unusual for even the best young hitters to come up and have some trouble during early exposure, but after seeing Clement look the way he did, it's worth considering that he may be more flawed than many thought. At 25, he needs to start hitting. If it turns out that his peak might be, say, an .850 OPS instead of a .950 OPS, then that's a big deal.

The other problems are interrelated, and far more significant. Jeff Clement is not a good defensive catcher. He's not a bad defensive catcher. He's a lousy defensive catcher, and his work there has on multiple occasions taken a toll on his health. There was already a good discussion on this matter two weeks ago, so I won't go into detail, but here's what it comes down to: Clement is way, way more valuable as a catcher than as a first baseman or DH, and if he isn't able to stick behind the plate, then that takes a lot of the shine off the apple. An average defensive catcher only needs to hit like Rickie Weeks to be a 3 WAR asset. An average defensive first baseman needs to hit like Carlos Beltran. A DH needs to hit like Chase Utley. Clement was a high draft pick because he could swing a solid bat as a catcher. His future value rests on the fate of both of those characteristics.

It's also worth mentioning, as Dave pointed out in that earlier thread, that being a catcher may be holding Clement's bat back from further development, which only complicates things even more. It makes sense; the more time you spend trying to make a guy better at a defensive position, the less time he has to work on his hitting. On this matter we can't be certain either way, but it is a distinct possibility, and that clouds the picture.

Looking ahead, Jeff Clement has a lot of work to do. I don't know how the team sees things playing out, but it seems to me that 2009 should be the most significant season of Clement's career. If he wants to preserve his ceiling as a potential star, he needs to improve his footwork behind the plate, put up something at least approximating a league-average batting line, and stay healthy. He needs to prove that he can be an all-around effective player while remaining as a backstop, because that's something he has yet to do, and at 25, he's running out of chances. You can only give a guy so long of a leash before you're forced to go in another direction.

If Clement's able to stick behind the plate, that's awesome. That's great for him and great for the team. If he's not, then that's worse. Unfortunately this is the way things appear to be leaning. Honestly, as much as I'm hoping for improvement, I just can't foresee too many scenarios in which Clement's still a regular catcher in 2010. He's had so much time to get better already that the odds are stacked against him.

Which is all right, I guess, so long as you're able to let go of what might have been. If Clement has to move to first base or DH, he can still be a valuable player. He just ends up with a lower ceiling than he had as a draft pick. Even so, there's nothing wrong with having a good hitter with minimal positional value. Clement would simply have to make sure to bring his bat more often than he did with Seattle in 2008.

2009 could use a good Jeff Clement, and Jeff Clement could use a good 2009. It won't be a season that makes or breaks his career, but it will likely be a season that determines whether or not he ever turns into what we wanted him to be. The organizational outlook is just so different with Clement behind the plate than it is with him at first or DH. Say hello to one of the most important storylines of the year. Jeff, the team has given you everything up to this point. Now it's your move. Prove that you belong.

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So if Clement started the year as a hot chick in a hockey jersey...

Are you saying he became our sloppy seconds that other players in the league seem to fall in love with?

by SethGrandpa on Jan 4, 2009 3:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well he won't be Piazza defense bad...

But if he can prove he can hit with POWER! then yeah I’d overlook his defense a little.

BOOYA! You got Slurved!

by Slurvey on Jan 4, 2009 5:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

In our very small defensive sample of last year

Just comparing PB, SB, and CS they are pretty comparable.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 4, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So how good is Adam Moore, really?

Because if El Jefe can’t stick at catcher after 2009, might Moore be a valuable asset at C in 2010? If so, it would seem to make Clement’s move to 1B/DH slightly less painful.

by acblue on Jan 4, 2009 5:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Also, Rob Johnson....replacment level, backup, average, useful?

If Clement doesn’t work out well and needs to shift to a gentler position it seems like we could play Kenji and then transition to Rob Johnson and then transition to Adam Moore without hurting too bad at catcher for the foreseeable future. Rob Johnson should be a decent defender behind the plate and probably pretty close to replacement hitter (maybe a little more). I think Adam Moore could be pretty interesting in a couple years if he continues to hit like he has. Last year was a big test for him to see if he could hit out of High Desert. His defense sounds a little suspect but he has the benefit over Clement of having more time ahead of him in the minors to work on it and his knees aren’t make of silly putty and toothpicks.

Also, I didn’t realize this but Moore, Clement, and Johnson are all almost the same age [within a year between Johnson (oldest) and Moore (youngest)].

I’m really interested to hear what other people think of Rob Johnson and Adam Moore.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 4, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Johnson's a backup who might have a half-decent peak

Moore is far more interesting but has quite a bit of a way to go. He has a shot at making a difference in 2010, depending on a whole lot of factors.

by Jeff on Jan 4, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's interesting to me that Graham's recent musings on the importance of C defense would totally change the outlook for a guy like Johnson

If Graham’s right, there’s probably no way Johnson should ever start somewhere in MLB.
If the fuzzy stuff like leadership and working with pitchers, calling a game, etc. outweigh the narrow spread in the measurable aspects of catcher defense, well, he’s got a shot.

Johnson’s reputation for amazing defense is based in large part on a quick release/accurate arm, but much, much more on the way he works with pitchers. He’s up there with Clement in passed balls, so it’s not like he’s Ivan Rodriguez or anything. He’s the intangibles guy.

I really can’t wait to see Adam Moore this year. We need a new sleeper prospect, or rather a guy who goes from being well-regarded on team blogs to being well-regarded nationally.

by marc w on Jan 5, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Depth

The fact that the M’s have good depth at C really helps mitigate the risk involved with Clement. I think Johjima is a good candidate to bounce back after a brutal season. Plus, the M’s have good depth with Johnson and Moore.

From reading scouting reports on Johnson, he seems like he projects as a very good backup/mediocre starter type, with some upside to develop into a decent starter. That type of player is valuable, especially since his defense is really well regarded.

Moore is the really interesting guy, as he seems like a mix between Clement and Johnson. Although he has work to do, there is a better chance he will stick at C than Clement. His bat projects as well above average. He hit .319/.396/.506 in AA, and seemed to get progressively better as the season went on. The timing is really perfect. Moore should spend all of 2009 in AAA, and could step in as the M’s catcher of the future should Clement prove he can’t stick behind the dish.

Regardless of how this plays out, the M’s should be OK at catcher. Johjima was a pretty good player in 2006 and 2007, and should be better in 2009. Clement has the upside to be a team cornerstone. Johnson is at least a solid backup, and could be a serviceable starter if all else fails. And Moore is on track to be ready to late 2009 or 2010. One of those four should emerge as a solid starting catcher.

Hopefully Clement sticks, and the M’s can afford to trade Moore to fill another need. Because both lose a ton of value if they need to move to other positions.

by Jerry on Jan 5, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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is the first Google result for " ‘Eliza Dushku’ hockey jersey".

by appleshampoo on Jan 4, 2009 7:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Clement did seem to start doing better near the end of the season

his August was .325/.373/.416. Yes, its a small sample and not the power we’d like to see but hey its something. Its good to see that he was getting progressively better over the season rather than the other way around.

Also, as far as catching hurting his batting. I’ll just throw this out there. He hit .282/.333/.476 as a catcher and .139(don’t have OBP or SLG as I’m lazy) as a DH. Yes again its a small sample but there it is.

by Scrupio on Jan 4, 2009 11:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Glass half full

I agree with most of your arguments. However, I think there is a lot more to be optimistic about than your post would suggest.

First, I gotta disagree with you on one major point:

“There can’t be a Mariner coach or fan in the world who feels good about Jeff Clement’s 2008.”

I completely disagree with that statement. Remember, Clement came into 2008 as a guy with significant questions about his bat. People said his bat was slow, and that he couldn’t hit big league quality stuff. People also were saying that he was beating up on AAAA lefty starters, and wasn’t as good as his .275/.370/.497 line in 2007 would suggest. Clement then hit .335/.455/.676 against the PCL in 2008. He hit righties and lefties equally well. He walked more than he K’d. He absolutely destroyed PCL pitching last year. It is easy to let his ML struggles overshadow his overall performance last year, but he showed what he is capable of in the minors last year. Very few prospects can put up those types of numbers in AAA.

Also, I think you overstate this point:

“Jeff Clement was supposed to be an established, successful big leaguer by now. Instead, four years into his professional career, he’s a questionable bat without a position.”

I don’t think Clement is really behind schedule much at all, and definitely don’t think it is realistic to have expected him to be an established ML player by now. This was only his third full year in pro ball. He missed half of 2006 with injuries. And he is a catcher, a position that typically takes longer to develop. You brought up his need to work on his defense, which was pretty clear from the time he was drafted. Well, that takes time. He was always seen as a guy who would take some development. The team had a decision to make with him early on: move him to 1B or DH, and rush him to the big leagues; or develop him as a C, and be patient while he works on his defense. The team (wisely) chose the latter. Thus, you can’t really expect the two-year rush to the big leagues that is common with other elite college hitters playing less demanding positions.

Finally, I think you are putting way too much weight into his first 200 ML PA’s. That is a pretty small sample. Lots of players struggle with the initial transition to the big leagues. Plus, he seemed to have made some adjustments toward the end of his season that leave room for optimism. Scrupio mentioned his August performance (.325/.373/.416). August was also the time when he finally got consistent ABs without having to worry about being benched. From watching him play, he seemed to have changed his approach and looked noticeably better. Its too bad he got injured and couldn’t extend that development into September. His overall ML numbers look terrible, but I saw a guy who struggled initially, started getting benched by a club that was trying desperately to turn around a sinking season, then showed marked improvement towards the end of the season.

In general, I see more to be optimistic about. If you go off scouting reports through the years, he has shown improvement with his defense since he was drafted. His bat is clearly a plus, regardless of his ML struggles. And even in that ML intro, he showed progress. The biggest issue with him is whether he can catch. I think he will hit, perhaps even well enough to project as well above average at 1B or DH.

by Jerry on Jan 5, 2009 7:35 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

A few things

-missing time with injuries is part of the problem

-Clement’s August: 15% line drives, .417 BABIP, 0 homers, 17/4 K/BB. He wasn’t good

-I’m actually quite optimistic that Clement will be able to hit, which I thought I made pretty clear

by Jeff on Jan 5, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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