A gift to Mariners fans from Cubs fans. You're going to need it.
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Al Yellon
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This fanshot is substantially more hilarious if you read both words in the row.
by JLC on Jan 28, 2009 10:10 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Severe Cenditis
is systematic of high poop levels and an elevated sense of needing to crap. It is typically transmitted through guarded rats but luckily it carries just a low risk of Orwellian dystopias.
by Matthew on Jan 28, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Just wait till you see him overrun second base on a walk.
No, really. This really happened. In this game. (Check the 9th inning PBP)
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Yeah it doesn't matter
and still holding it against a guy for minor mistake made in a low-leverage game two years later is kind of sad.
As mentioned, that was one of many similiar mistakes.
Look, I didn’t hate the guy, but he gained a rep as a “high tools, low IQ” type player. We’re just offering a heads up here..
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
We've wanted Cedeno for a while
and we’re happy to have him
We’ll take a project with talent, over a no talent hack even if that hack has is a sound fundamental player
Fair enough.
I’ll be keeping an eye on him. Between Cedeno in Seattle and Pie in Baltimore (not to mention Kerry Wood and Mark DeRosa in Cleveland), I’ll be watching a lot more AL ball this season.
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
Dear Mariners Fans, I hope all your Cedeno fantasies come true.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 29, 2009 9:05 AM PST reply actions
Let's put it this way, Mariners fans...
…Cedeno, as a utility guy, has considerable skills – strong arm at third base, good range at shortstop and plenty of experience at second. He also put up huge offensive numbers in Triple A in ’07 and showed a brief flash of being able to hit at the major league level last season.
But he often negates these skills by making mistakes that will send one’s palm involuntarily crashing into one’s skull. As Al mentioned, oversliding second base on a walk and getting tagged out – but also making a spectacular play on a ground ball only to send the ball hurling over the first baseman or catcher’s head, bunting to the wrong side of the diamond on a sacrifice, stuff like that.
Blunders like these are what inspired the image above (though I did not create it).
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
Well, I must confess...
…I have not watched much Mariners baseball. But I’m getting the impression he’ll fit right in, eh?
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
If you really believe that, we'll take Betancourt off your hands.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Does he double-clutch every time he throws to the first baseman?
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
our current SS is short and can't get to the ball....
so this would be a lateral move for us.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 29, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Please, no.
We don’t want Betancourt. I’m going to be charitable and assume you didn’t see any Mariners games last season. I’d way rather have Cedeno over Yuniesky (and Aaron Miles). Hell I’d rather have Theriot over Yuniesky.
If you really believe that, we'll take Betancourt off your hands.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Cedeno hit .350 in AAA, with some power at age 22, and he plays decent defense
the guy is more talented than any infielder on the club not name Beltre
Just out of curiousity...
…what is your impression of Rich Hill?
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
But what if that talent...
…is incapable of throwing a baseball in the strike zone on a regular basis?
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
then it goes from the majors to rookie ball in four months time??
"...the internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck. It's a series of tubes." - Sen. Ted Stevens
I don't think you've seen Betancourt play defense lately.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 29, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think you've seen Rich Hill pitch lately.
"...the internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck. It's a series of tubes." - Sen. Ted Stevens
I absolutely have not....
…and I’m not seriously advocating that the Cubs try to acquire him. That said, you guys should know that Rich Hill’s value has dropped to almost nothing.
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
All apologies if I sound condescending...
…I was honestly surprised that, of all the Cubs players you could ask for in a trade, you’d pick Rich Hill. I have no idea what you do or don’t know about him.
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
I didn't say you would want to ask for an expensive player.
But, honestly, a couple of mid-level prospects might be worth more than Rich Hill at this point.
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
Reclamation projects are really underrated and Yuni is bad.
I think he’s worth more than Hill on the open market, but he’s a nice starting point.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 29, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough.
No one was seriously proposing the trade anyway.
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
RIch HIll
used to remind me of a young Jamie Moyer with more pop to his fastball.
now his pitches need GPS to locate.
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
If Rick Ankiel can make it all the way back to the majors throwing strikes
than there’s a good chance Hill can too.
you want Hill
as your new CF?!?!?! I do not get your reference there
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
After being demoted
Rick Ankiel threw strikes in the minors, then in the majors in 2004, and also in winter ball after the 2004 season ended. It wasn’t until a particularly bad throw day during ST 2005 that he gave up pitching.
He lost it in 2000, and here is what he did after
Ankiel returned to the majors in 2001 but again had issues controlling his pitches, walking 25 batters and throwing five wild pitches in 24 innings, and was sent down to AAA. Here his problems became dramatic. In 4.1 innings, Ankiel walked 17 batters and threw 12 wild pitches, accumulating an ERA of 20.77. He was sent all the way down to the Rookie League Johnson City Cardinals, where he was successful as both a starting pitcher and a part-time designated hitter (sporting a .638 slugging percentage with 10 home runs and 35 RBIs in 105 at bats). He was voted Rookie Level Player of the Year, Appalachian League All-Star left-handed pitcher, Rookie League All-Star starting pitcher, Appalachian League Pitcher of the Year, and Appalachian League All-Star designated hitter. .
In 2002, Ankiel sat the whole season with a left elbow sprain, and was finally cleared to pitch in December. He returned to the minors in 2003, posting a 6.20 ERA in 10 starts before undergoing season-ending ulnar collateral ligament reconstruction (Tommy John surgery) for his left elbow in July. In 54.1 innings, he walked 49 batters and threw 10 wild pitches.
Ankiel returned to the majors in September 2004, posting a 5.40 ERA in five relief appearances. Ankiel’s control was impressive, as he walked just one while striking out nine in ten innings. In the minors, similarly, he walked only two batters in 23.2 innings, while striking out 23.
On March 9, 2005, after a successful winter pitching in the Puerto Rican Professional Baseball League, Ankiel announced that he was switching to the outfield,4 after an unsuccessful practice outing in which his wildness reappeared, as he threw only three strikes out of 20 pitches. He slugged .514 in single A, and .515 in double A, with 5 outfield assists in 55 games.
In 2006, Ankiel was invited to spring training with the major league squad again, but this time as an outfielder. He had a slim chance to make the team as a reserve player. His fielding impressed scouts and managers, and he had shown flashes of power hitting in the minor leagues.
However, he injured his left knee before the season started; he had to have season-ending surgery on it on May 26, 2006.
So either you are saying that Hill would be a good trade to make now so that in 3-5 years he might be throwing strikes again, or you are thinking he can make the move to another position? I am not knocking anything you are saying, I just do not get why you would want him, and I am a Rich Hill fan!
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
Because young pitchers with control problems are a decent risk/reward proposition.
If Hill figures it out he’s a damned good pitcher and it’s a risk worth taking.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 29, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Until someone proves me wrong
I am assuming he is suffering from too much exposure to Lou.
Send him to a new team and he will go all Mike Hampton.
can you explain?
2007 when Hill was just fine, he was under Lou. I do not understand blaming Lou for his control loss.
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
I am not saying a player loses it
The first time they meet Lou. The thing about Lou is that he requires a certain type of personality in his players.
If they do not have it he will crush their soul over time.
Give Lou a roster of Type A personalities and all will be fine.
Well, I don't know how anyone...
…can “prove” anything one way or the other. We’ve had plenty of discussions about this over at BCB. Honestly, I’d love for Rich Hill to go to another team, because he’s highly unlikely to get another shot with the Cubs.
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
Agreed
He showed too much promise to not get a second chance. Might be just what he needs. I do not thik Lou had anything to do with it, since he was fine in 2007, and came to ST in 08 with no control, and it went downhill from there.
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
I'll drive Rich Hill to the airport myself...
…he’s all yours.
I actually originally heard that the deal was Cedeno and Hill for Heilman which i was much happier about than Cedeno and Olson.
"...the internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck. It's a series of tubes." - Sen. Ted Stevens
Do you want him regular, or extra crispy?

by Vatinius on Jan 29, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I love that photo.
Who exactly is on fire?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I find it amusing that Cub fans hate Ronny Cedeno
Yet have to watch Aaron Miles make more money than Cedeno while providing less performance over the next few years.
At least Miles wouldn't overrun second base on a walk.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
AND
Claim he was not aware that he could not do so, which Cedeno did
"I like coconuts, you can break them open and they smell like ladies lying in the sun" Widespread Panic
I am overwhelmed by how much this matters
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 29, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
Hear, hear.
It’s looks like that’s the only thing you have against the guy, as it is what you keep going back to.
You're trying to kidnap what I've rightfully stolen.
Be patient everyone...
you will all have many different things to hold against him very very soon.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 29, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
Or maybe we're more concerned about overall value than fixating on minor flaws.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 29, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
Make sure you're looking into the mirror repeating this over and over...
in July after you’ve seen Cedeno actually play baseball on a regular basis.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 29, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
So you're guaranteeing that Cedeno will outperform Miles in 2009?
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
It's an interesting question, actually.
Checking Fangraphs, it looks like Marcel and Oliver are projecting Miles to be slightly better (but with fairly big differences in plate appearances). Meanwhile, CHONE has a similiar number of plate appearances with Ronny clearly coming out on top.
Let me say again: I do not hate Ronny Cedeno, and I am not hoping he fails with the Seattle Mariners. Some of us just stopped by here to share some fan-to-fan insights on a player we’ve watched closely for the last couple of years. Ronny definitely has skills; he just has a tendency to make painful-to-watch mental mistakes on the field.
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
Is that based on your observation...
…or a specific metric?
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
I am also very familiar with Ronny as the Cubs are my second favorite team
And I go to Des Moines every year to visit family and saw him play there. I am excited at his defense more than anything. Our SS had a decent 2 months in 2005 and then has circled the drain ever since.
If you take defense and position into account there is no way Miles is more valuable than Cedeno IMHO.
Yeah, he is a natural shortstop...
…and there was some support among Cubs fans this past season to see him get the shortstop role over Ryan Theriot based mainly on Ronny’s defense. But that was never going happen under Lou. In any case, the Miles vs. Cedeno comparison will be an interesting one to keep an eye on.
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
I now know why Lou was willing to leave Seattle for Tampa Bay.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 29, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, because your brillant insights are clearly capable of curing cancer.
We are a fever ... we are a fever ... we ain't born typical.
That seems like a pretty limited scope
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 30, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
Unless he means all cancers
which covers a lot of ground, really.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
I'm still trying to figure out what that comeback is supposed to mean.
by JI on Jan 30, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
Mmmm, no.
I did misspell “brilliant,” though.
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