Bobby Ayala Wishes He Had Aaron Heilman's Mariner Legacy
Aaron Heilman's slider:
(A) was a good addition to his repertoire
(B) was a bad addition to his repertoire
(C) can go to hell because now I don't have to care anymore
The Cubs, unsure of whether they will land Padres right-hander Jake Peavy, are on the verge of a separate move to bolster their pitching depth — the acquisition of right-hander Aaron Heilman from the Mariners.In exchange for Heilman, the Mariners will receive shortstop Ronny Cedeno and left-hander Garrett Olson, according to major-league sources.
(credit to Deanna for the original image)
So Heilman's 49-day Seattle sabbatical is over, and he's off to what is perhaps an even more wild and intimidating environment than the one he escaped in the first place. In return for his charming smile and zero innings, the Mariners are receiving Ronny Cedeno and Garrett Olson (who the Cubs just landed a little while ago for Felix Pie. I hope you didn't unpack your bags, you tradable son of a bitch).
Cedeno's a soon-to-be 26 year old 2B/SS with 1000 Major League plate appearances' worth of Cesar Izturis's offense under his belt. He's hit poorly over parts of four seasons in Chicago, and the statistical record of his defensive performance spells him out to be somewhere around average. At first glance, he seems to be nothing more than a young utility infielder, and while that's something we needed, it's not particularly exciting.
If you look beyond Cedeno's Major League statistics, however, then you'll begin to see why Dave is so high on him. For one thing, he's been an effective hitter in the upper bits of the minors, holding his own in AA at 21 and then taking it to another level in AAA Iowa. Granted, the AAA batting averages are a little inflated, but you can see in Cedeno's line a good ability to make contact, some idea of how to walk, and limited but significant power. While he hasn't yet been able to translate his minor league success to the Majors, the talent is there, and it's not out of the question that he could out-hit our current shortstop. He just needs to improve his selectivity. Note that he and Betancourt are the same age.
And for another thing, Cedeno's got quite the reputation as a defensive whiz. Now, whether or not this is true is up in the air. His statistical performance in the Majors hasn't been bad, but it hasn't been real good, either, and the fans don't consider him to be any better than Mark DeRosa or Jamey Carroll. In other words, we're still looking for evidence that his ability fits his rep. However, if he really is, say, a 0 < x < +10 defensive SS (and therefore a +5 < x < +15 defensive 2B), then all of a sudden he doesn't really need to hit much at all to be a moderate value. That would make him a better player than Betancourt right now.
Cedeno is presumably being brought in as a utility infielder, a young guy with talent who's better able than Reegie Corona to back up a number of positions and spot start without hurting the team. However, the potential is there for him to be more than that, and like Luis Valbuena before him, he looks like solid insurance in case Betancourt or Lopez don't perform like the team hopes. No, there aren't any guarantees. His offense may never translate to the big leagues, and his defense may not be as good as some people say it is. Everybody's a risk, and Cedeno may be nothing more than a career reserve. However, he's a good bet, and he fills a need for which the organization didn't have any promising internal solutions. For those reasons, he's a neat addition.
As for Garrett Olson, I never even imagined that we could pull an ML-caliber starting pitcher out of this deal on top of a middle infielder. Olson put up an ugly ERA in Baltimore last season, but he's only 25, he's under team control for five years, he still has options left, and his 5.26 tRA was better than Jarrod Washburn's 5.72.
Olson's a three-pitch pitcher, with the typical left-handed sub-90 fastball, a slider, and a change. The change is used almost exclusively against righties, while lefties get the fastball and the slider in a 55/45 mix. It's important for him to regularly work in his offspeed stuff, because his fastball isn't good. He doesn't control it very well, and it hardly ever misses bats - he only generated 26 swinging strikes on 1225 fastballs a year ago, including just two on 328 against lefties. Garrett Olson's fastball thinks Felix's fastball was born on Mount Olympus. It's a necessary pitch, but it's not a special one.
His slider and change are useful, though, even to the point at which the slider makes for an effective weapon against righties. Most starters tend to throw a lot of changeups to opposite-handed hitters, but Olson still preferred his slider (15% sliders to 11% changeups), and both pitches were able to generated a fair number of swinging strikes while also finding the zone. So Olson doesn't look like the kind of guy who's going to run a nasty platoon split. If anything, last year he threw a little better against righties than he did against lefties. His location against LHB's could use a little work.
Work that he can get this year in Tacoma. Garrett Olson, right now, is probably on par with Washburn and RRS, but he's also a guy with a 2.8 K/BB and 8.8 K/9 in the high minors, and if he can bring more of that ability with him to the Major Leagues the next time he gets an extended opportunity, then all of a sudden we're not talking about a #5 anymore. We're talking about a #3 or a #4, a good starter under cheap team control for a long long time. Having a couple of those a year ago could've saved us $48m. They're incredibly valuable assets.
So, in exchange for a 30 year old righty with a bad 2008 and a desire to be thrust into an even more challenging role, Jack Zduriencik was able to land a utility infielder with the potential to start at 2B or SS and a #5 starter with the potential to improve by one or two slots. Two young players with good minor league track records that haven't yet translated to the big leagues, but that still have time to do it. It's possible that Cedeno doesn't develop any further. It's possible that Olson's career stays where it is. But it's also possible that we just traded a flame-out righty for two future regulars, and after weighing all the different odds in my head, this just strikes me as being a great, great deal. In the organizational big picture, it's all upside. Every last bit.
Sweet baby Jesus. This team is going places.
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Damn it feels good to have a new front office.
"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
by Thingray on Jan 28, 2009 11:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's kind of weird not to bitch about a stupid FO anymore.
by Fin on Jan 28, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure they waste a lot of paper or don't recycle toner or something
so there’s that.
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by pdb on Jan 28, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit this is exactly what I needed today
How does jack Z know to pull these amazing deals right on the days I want to jump off a bridge? I gotta send that guy a thank you card.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 28, 2009 11:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
CHONE has Cedeno projected at a .329 wOBA
by JI on Jan 28, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yuni is crying into his enormous breakfast
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 28, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Address it
Dear Mr. Cameron Zduriencik
by seattlebruin on Jan 28, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A great part about this trade is that we don't have to worry about the Heilman dilemma.
Can he be a starter? Will he be the closer? Is he only as good as his prospect status a few years ago?
Headache avoided and two great potential players are now on board. And one of Yuni or Lopez can be expendable. If we can deal one of them for even more pieces, it will just add gravy to what has already been done.
by Wilder. on Jan 28, 2009 11:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
So with Cedeno basically filling in for Valbuena
we’ve given up only Putz and Green in exchange for Guts, Chavez, Cedeno, Olson, Cleto, Carp, and I think I’m forgetting a guy. That should be illegal.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 28, 2009 11:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fitting that he was the guy forgotten
by Smegmalicious on Jan 28, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah so
I did forget him. Also, what smeg said.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 28, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus you can't leave out Valbuena as a cost
if you count CedeƱo as a benefit.
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on Jan 28, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not counting Cedeno as a benefit, only the other six.
I did forget about Reed though. He’s very forgettable.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 28, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you put Cedeno in your "benefits" list.
But I think we all got the point regardless. Awesome moves by Z.
by Teej on Jan 28, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
whoops, you're right
Whatever. He took an overvalued role and turned it into a ton of upside.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 28, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lou is a fucking retard and I love him for it.
I am so excited right now I can barely contain myself. I saw Cedeno play quite a bit when he was with Iowa. Unless he has regressed badly he is waaaaaaay better defensively than Betancourt.
I will bet the first two takers two of my seats that by September 1 he will have logged more time at SS than Yuni. If I win I get cash value of $44 in return.
by Sec 108 on Jan 28, 2009 11:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
When you watched him, what was your impression?
And I realize that answer is totally subjective, and will in no way critique it or hold it against you later. He’s got some triples so is he fast/faster/faster than fast? Good range? Accurate throw, strong arm? Smooth transfer on double plays? C’mon man, be a pal and volunteer me some info
by Kermit. on Jan 28, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really only remember his defense. I don't think he did much offensively in the two games I saw.
Good first step on defense. To me that always means that the first step is actually to the ball and it happens quickly and aggressively. He has good hands a decent arm. I never really saw his arm tested per se, but it was accurate. What I liked most was he seemed equally comfortable moving both left and right.
by Sec 108 on Jan 28, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just browsing through a couple of Cubs blogs and the comments from
Cubs fans on the mlbtraderumors site. Focus and commitment would seem to significantly help Cedeno reach his potential.
by DarkLou on Jan 28, 2009 11:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just browsing through the Cubs blogs makes me really appreciate LL/USSM
On the trade thread, a FIRST!, a LOL a +1 and +2, all within the first 20 comments.
by waldo rojas on Jan 28, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Although 'tis true that thou shalt not make fun of a fellow SB Nation blog...
…the comment quality over at BCB…leaves a certain something to be desired.
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by esoteric on Jan 28, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just found out why the m's want olson
over at dov an mās insider said they want olson because they intend to then flip him or jamie burke to the padres for Jake Peavy. Now it makes sense why they want olson.
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
by esoteric on Jan 28, 2009 11:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Would've been better if you did it Cubs/Heilman.
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on Jan 28, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought of that...but it's notionally funnier if the M's end up with Peavy after all the trade rumors involving the Cubs and Olson...
…I live in Chicago and work with Cubs fans so goddammit I hear about it every day EVERY SINGLE DAY.
They have no idea what to make of today’s trade, FWIW.
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
by esoteric on Jan 28, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, since Olson is an ex-Oriole, there's a bit of symmetry to it all.
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by esoteric on Jan 28, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, we would be overpaying for Peavy in that scenario.
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by esoteric on Jan 28, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
God, we thought we had a pretty good deal going with
Olson for Pie.
But now you just made us look bad.
by math_geek on Jan 28, 2009 12:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jones, Tillman & Sherrill...that's gotta keep O's fans warm at night.
I feel sorry for my old semi-hometown team, actually…put the O’s in any division other than the AL East, and they’d be looking like beasts on the horizon. But with TB, BOS, and NY? Good luck buddy.
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by esoteric on Jan 28, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard they might be good when Matusz and Tillman make their impactful arrival this season.
by Matthew on Jan 28, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there's any prospect I'm more excited to see arrive in the majors than Matt Wieters
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by esoteric on Jan 28, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah; I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop
He seems flawless as a prospect, and I keep waiting for some announcement that he’ll also close for them.
So yes, I’ve been looking for news stories that he:
-Is actually 32 years old
-Killed a family with a hunting knife
-Uses a bat made of some lightweight metal with a thin wood veneer over it
by marc w on Jan 28, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's gonna be B
the story will finish “the deceased family had recently discovered plotting to blow up (insert national monument) and was very near to executing this plan”
by seattlebruin on Jan 28, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've got it.
Matt Wieters: International Terrorist.
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
by esoteric on Jan 28, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never seen Matt Wieters and Hank Scorpio in the same place at the same time.
Coincidence? Unlikely.
by Matthew on Jan 28, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That one actually probably will happen, so it's not part of the joke.
I’m excited to watch him play.
by Teej on Jan 28, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The 2011 AL East is shaping up to be the best division in baseball history
by seattlebruin on Jan 28, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Yankees don't suck by then
Sabathia will be a massive shell of himself, Burnette will refuse to pitch if he has a hangnail, Wang will have lost 5 mph off his sinker, Joba will still be going back and forth between the bullpen and rotation, Jeter will still be “earning” Gold Gloves at SS, etc.
Honestly, I like the futures of Baltimore, TB, and Boston more than the Yanks’
by tait644 on Jan 28, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2011 is like two years away
it’s not as if it’s 2032
by seattlebruin on Jan 28, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, so?
Mark my words, the Yankees will be hating Sabathia and Burnette after two years or so.
by tait644 on Jan 28, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was going for "Brunette"
implying that he was a girl for not pitching through pain
by seattlebruin on Jan 28, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure he is.
I imagine this violates the “lol bedard had girl parts” rule. Assuming that players should play through injury because one time you went on a hike with a semi-sprained ankle, for example.
by Teej on Jan 28, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
May be. I thought it was adding an e to make it look more French, and thus, wussy.
Damn you Vermette.
by Matthew on Jan 28, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Petite chienne
Might as well make sure he gets the message
by ningwers on Jan 28, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Burnett will refuse to pitch if he has a hangnail"
Really? Still with this?
by acblue on Jan 28, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You'll enjoy Cedeno
For a week, he’ll play like A-Rod. Then, for another week, he’ll play like K-Rod. And he has this awful habit of forgetting how many outs there are.
Where is Mick Kelleher when we need him?
by 3744nsheffield on Jan 28, 2009 12:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So you're saying he can pitch too?
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on Jan 28, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JESUS WE TOTALLY RIPPED THEM OFF!!
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by esoteric on Jan 28, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man
I won’t link or quote it, but some of the comments on the PI story are GOLD.
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on Jan 28, 2009 12:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Heading over there right now...
Oh yeah this is sweet.
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
by esoteric on Jan 28, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant
I’m presuming they’re all in-jokes
W1 L2 (.333)
Coming to a baseball stadium near you this June
by MarkE on Jan 28, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite:
Olson was acquired for the Scandinavian fans..
Hey, it’s going to be a crap year..
Gotta sell tickets some way..
So go get a Swede!
I smell “LUTEFISK” Night!
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
by esoteric on Jan 28, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're reading different quotes to those I'm seeing
but equally awesome.
I see lots of complaints that we traded for WFB’s equivalent and stll insisting Griffey / other veterans are signed.
by MarkE on Jan 28, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mine so far...
“I certainly don’t see Cedeno replacing Yuni. Yuni had an off year, but he has so much potential …he can run, hit, and filed, with the right coaches in place. Cedeno’s numbers are nothing to brag about and neither is his fielding.”
by Slica on Jan 28, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Follow up to that one...
"Yuni had an off year, but he has so much potential …he can run, hit, and filed/
Other than the running and fielding part that is true."
by Slica on Jan 28, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now, Yuni filed with the best of him.
Have you seen his tax return? A thing of accounting genius really.
by Matthew on Jan 28, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad he had an off year and had to pay in.
by Slica on Jan 28, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the Times
“Can anybody tell me one reason the M’s should NOT bring back Ken Griffey Jr? There is absolutely no downside to it. Instantly the team would be better, you can get him cheap because he WANTS to play in Seattle. There would be an immediate buzz around the city and ticket sales would skyrocket! There is no reason not to bring home the best player that ever lived”
by msb on Jan 28, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants should sign Willie Mays too.
He’s still alive. And ticket sales would skyrocket!
by Mariner John on Jan 28, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"My favorite"
that entire ramble is wonderful.
by msb on Jan 28, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this trade sucks.
Heilman had an off year and I think he was for certain going to rebound, I guess he didnt make enough money to play on this team. Cedano certainly fits the BAVASI criteria of player, no power, no walks. I know Cedeno wont be starting, but why just give Heilman away??
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
by esoteric on Jan 28, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Enjoy Olson
I wasn’t thrilled or angry at the Olson for Pie trade (although I did wonder who will pitch for the O’s this year). Garrett had a lot of success in the minors but he was quite frustrating to watch in the majors. He seemed to nibble the edges too much and as a young pitcher he certainly wasn’t getting any close calls. I never actually saw him pitch in the minors so I can’t speak to if he was more confident there, I can only look at the numbers. I think he has a pretty decent chance of being very servicable at the MLB level if he can figure himself out.
[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8
by Stacey on Jan 28, 2009 12:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Enjoy Tillman & AJ.
It still hurts to think of how much talent we frittered away on that trade.
Hopefully Olson can work out his confidence and control in Tacoma. But he’s still better right now than Washburn, at the very least.
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
by esoteric on Jan 28, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And whoever McPhail gets for Sherrill...
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jan 28, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Randy Messenger released???
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
by JI on Jan 28, 2009 12:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's better than shooting the Messenger.
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Jan 28, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAYESYESYESYESYESYES
by acblue on Jan 28, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did I miss something?
Did Messenger come out against cute baby animals or something?
by marc w on Jan 28, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a giant fucking douche and I can't stand him.
by acblue on Jan 28, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And yes the hatred is mostly irrational.
by acblue on Jan 28, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mostly?
I’m just… I don’t think I’ve ever seen you express this much hostility to anyone.
This is sort of like royalcurve deciding that Ryan Feierabend needs to die slowly, with extra torture.
by marc w on Jan 28, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GROWL.... FEIERABEND....
cough… yep, can’t get into it.
by royalcurve on Jan 28, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it would be very confusing.
Though I may now picture you going GROWL…FEIERABEND… every time he gives up an XBH.
I suppose it wouldn’t be quite as odd as the fact that Graham posted a picture of a cute baby seal this morning…
by marc w on Jan 28, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well he kinda sucks, so I have no inclination toward liking him.
His facial hair, hat-tilt angle and general demeanor reeks of Axe and rohypnol. Put has lack of ability and the douche factor together and I hate him.
by acblue on Jan 28, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy moly - that was such a compact and powerful argument that I now hate him too.
by royalcurve on Jan 28, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But it's TOO powerful
If you start to hate every baseball player with bad facial hair, hat-tilt angles and general frat-boy douchery, you’d probably stop being a baseball fan.
I mean, have you seen those photos of Gutierrez from the fanfest? You’re not smelling any Axe/rohypnol there? At all?
To be clear: I do not hate Gutz, but this line of argument equals mutually assured destruction. The collateral damage will be huge….
by marc w on Jan 28, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just do whatever ac does.
Also, those photos of Gutierrez make my stomach upset.
by royalcurve on Jan 28, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In regard to the hat and facial hair.
by Mariner John on Jan 28, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sherrill's facial hair was less annoying, he was from Memphis and he didn't tilt his hat, he just didn't bend the brim.
Also, Sherrill was good.
by acblue on Jan 28, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His hat confuses me
I want to like him but the straight billed hat is hard to get past.
by Mariner John on Jan 28, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
George Sherrill looks awesome.
He’s the Adonis of Lookout mountain.
I told him as much when Paul stupidly took me to meet him. George didn’t know what to say… I tell myself it’s because I had it goin’ on that night.
by marc w on Jan 28, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You cannot replace that love.
And pretending with someone else will only hurt us both.
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on Jan 28, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's like asking your new fiancee to wear your dead wife's wedding dress.
by acblue on Jan 28, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
I was going to say dead wife's lingerie, but I figured it was a bit much.
by Teej on Jan 28, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is more appropriate
you’d only ask her to wear the dress once
by seattlebruin on Jan 28, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So this ends up being basically a three team deal
with Pie going to the Orioles in order to get the lefty for Seattle. I know the OF is pretty crowded with the current players and a good crop in AA/A+ but I was under the impression that Pie was an absolute stud of a prospect. Anyone think we could have been better off with him coming back (plus Cedeno)?
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 28, 2009 12:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm buying spring training tickets tonight.
I’ve never been. Today’s trade pushed me over fence. I’m a happy Mariners fan again — not because this offseason has turned the Mariners into the team I want, but because it has at least convinced me that that team is on its way.
Go Mariners, and go Jack!
by Teej on Jan 28, 2009 1:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Look out Yuni and Lopez:
“Our No. 1 goal is to continue to accumulate talent in our organization while doing everything we can to compete in 2009,” he said in a statement released by the Mariners. “Today’s trade allows us to acquire a young, left-handed starting pitcher with major league experience that we will still control for five seasons. At the same time, by adding Cedeno we have a player who is very versatile and gives us protection and depth, and can compete for a job at second base and shortstop immediately.”
by Wilder. on Jan 28, 2009 1:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Love love love that he's not even a bit subtle about putting pressure on the middle infield.
by Kermit. on Jan 28, 2009 1:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The point is well-taken nonetheless
There was nothing subtle at all about GMZ’s statement.
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by esoteric on Jan 28, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From PI comments
JZ also saves 1.3 million in pay role here.
Thank you LL. Thank you so much for speaking decent English.
by seattlebruin on Jan 28, 2009 1:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Or I just completed screwed that joke up.
Soryr, Slica.
by Wilder. on Jan 28, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like this is
very bad resource management by the Cubs. I know that their backs were against the wall to some extent because Pie and Cedeno are out of options but to turn those two into Aaron Heilman and a throw in (Henry Williamson) seems pretty poor
Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles
by Trenchtown on Jan 28, 2009 1:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A couple of the very smart Cubs fans I know are saying the same thing...
…the rap on Hendry that’s taking shape is that he just doesn’t quite “get” managing a 40-man roster.
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by esoteric on Jan 28, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like if you are going to act all big-markety...
…and not ever give guys like Pie and Cedeno a full shot at a job because you’re all focused on WIN NOW! that you need to trade them when they are highly regarded as prospects. You’ll lose a very good player sometimes (like the Red Sox did with Hanley Ramirez), but if you’re really going to pump a lot of money into the team, at least trade those guys at their peak value rather than letting it erode into Aaron Heilman.
by ubelmann on Jan 28, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The hell?
The Cubs trade away Felix Pie and Ronny Cedeno to acquire Aaron Heilman?
Well, regardless of how dumb Hendry is, this trade is fucking amazing.
by JLC on Jan 28, 2009 2:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You got Olson plus change and lost nothing
So now we’re basically square with regards to the Bedard trade, right?
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jan 28, 2009 4:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Aren't we the lovable losers at this point?
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jan 28, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
See rugburn's post below
because at this point ain’t nothin’ lovable about the Orioles.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jan 28, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GRASS CREEK WILL BE OURS!
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Jan 28, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jan 28, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is true
The Pittsburgh Pirates – lovable losers.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jan 28, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Pirates are awesome and I can't wait until they get good.
by acblue on Jan 28, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Pirates are going to challenge for the NL Central in 2010.
by Matthew on Jan 28, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally.
I’ll be talking about in February or March as part of a series to combat crappy Spring Training reporting.
by Matthew on Jan 28, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be more interested in seeing which teams will be cellar dwellers in a couple years.
It looks that it could be the Angels, Astros, White Sox, Tigers, Blue Jays, and Cubs either have terrible management or are unlucky.
by Fin on Jan 28, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling they and the Brewers will make my life unpleasant
because the Cardinals aren’t exactly a model org, and Cincy, Chicago and Houston are laughably inept.
by JI on Jan 28, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've like the Pirates for a while because I felt bad for them, and now that they're smart I'm thinking about making them my official NL team.
by acblue on Jan 28, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right. Because your official NL team should be the NATS NATS NATS NATS
Woo! We make losing unstylish and unfun!
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
by esoteric on Jan 28, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My racist aunt was a Cardinals fan so I can never truly love them.
by acblue on Jan 28, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well if everyone refused to love the Cardinals because they know of a racist who was a fan
then they’d have no fans.
by JI on Jan 28, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate Cardinals fans because they were the
Yankee/Red Sox fans of the NL waaaaaay before the Cubs and Braves took over cable TV.
by Sec 108 on Jan 29, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How can you not root for the Pirates? They're about to break the most embarrasing of records.
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 28, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Our 12 years of futility
Have been overshadowed by your 16.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jan 28, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Curse of Jeffrey Maier
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 28, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently
That kid played pretty well in college, and Angelos wasn’t opposed to the idea of drafting him…
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jan 28, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not in the least
I will only get over that trade if AJ turns out to actually have a degenerative hip condition, Tillman and Butler don’t pan out and Sherrill gets flipped for a no talent middle infielder. And even then I won’t call it square, I’ll just take Bavasi’s face off the dart board.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 28, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot Mickolio
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jan 28, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man you guys got a great deal.
I can’t imagine why would anyone in their right mind would trade 5 potential filled players for one player.
by Fin on Jan 28, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No I just don't lose any sleep over minor league relief arms
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 28, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
He’s considered a top ten prospect in our system, and we have a top ten farm.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jan 28, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's dumb. No relief pitcher should ever be a top 10 prospect in a good system.
by Matthew on Jan 28, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It came out of left field
Not many fans had him in their top fifteen after the season ended, yet all of the major publications placed him from 8-11.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jan 28, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Those people don't understand how to valuate relief pitching then.
by Matthew on Jan 28, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's pretty much a surefire bet
To be effective out of the ’pen, which means that minor league analysts can look back in five years and claim victory.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jan 29, 2009 5:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would write a list of prospects that are pretty much a surefire bet to be effective out of the pen
but I don’t really have the 2-3 hours it would take to do that. Don’t get me wrong, finding cheap effective relievers is very important but its also pretty easy to do.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 29, 2009 6:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's the only thing Bavasi was good at doing.
And that goes to show just how easy it is.
by Wilder. on Jan 29, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometime in the near future
you’re going to think you have a chance at the division for the first time in forever and the M’s will sweep you in a four game home series in April and kill your season. And then we can talk about being square.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 28, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bit it's hip to be square...

BOOYA! You got Slurved!
by Slurvey on Jan 28, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one who spells is 'syke', not 'sike'?
by Matthew on Jan 28, 2009 6:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one who spells it 'psych'?
by Mariner John on Jan 28, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I spell it 'psych'.
Or, I’ve never written it down before, but when I’ve heard it said I’ve seen it spelled ‘psych’ in my head.
by royalcurve on Jan 28, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that is the proper spelling
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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 28, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually spent 15 minutes researching this in the morning but decided that "sike" looks the best in text form
by Jeff on Jan 28, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that you took the time to research this reconfirms my confidence in you...
…however, “psych” just LOOKS less grating. “SIKE!” reads like something written by a 13-year-old in a chatroom.
Which may, upon further reflection, have been the point.
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
by esoteric on Jan 28, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this still gets me every time
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Juuuust a bit outside!!
http://www.rightfieldbleachers.com
by Jack Moore on Jan 28, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is awesome and put a very large smile on my face
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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 28, 2009 6:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nice deal, GMZ
He trades one arm for another young MLB-ready arm with upside AND a utility infielder with upside? These are the Bizarro Mariners, from a world where our front office makes deals that improves the team’s future.
by Gomez on Jan 28, 2009 7:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Let's not oversell it, though
This is still, in the end, a trade that is more likely than not to have little effect on the team in the short or long run.
It’s merely awesomely heartening because it continues to reassure us that a group of honest-to-goodness ADULTS is running the show now.
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
by esoteric on Jan 28, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You undersell Olson and Cedeno's value
by Matthew on Jan 28, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get murdered over your song before you adlib it.
me so cool
by Humongo on Jan 28, 2009 7:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
At this rate my first born son will be named Jack Zduriencik Corcoran
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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 28, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely within the scope of possibility
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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 29, 2009 7:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if that'll be up to him.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Jan 29, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Worst case I'll adopt
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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 29, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jack Zduriencik Roy Corcoran
would be a swell name for a cat.
by msb on Jan 29, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to admit,
“JZRC” would be a pretty cool nickname.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Jan 29, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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