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Mariners & Cubs Discuss Heilman Trade

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Cubs close to Heilman trade

 

According to ESPN Radio's Bruce Levine, the Cubs are close to acquiring pitcher Aaron Heilman from the Mariners.  The Ms want shortstop Ronny Cedeno and pitching in return.  Heilman was dealt to Seattle in the J.J. Putz trade earlier this winter.  Earlier this month, Ken Rosenthal mentioned that the Mariners were likely willing to trade Heilman, "who they did not consider a key component of the Putz trade."

Heilman, 30, is set to earn $1.625MM in '09.  He'll be eligible for free agency after the 2010 season.

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Oh heeeellllll yes.

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Jan 28, 2009 8:37 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, just so's you know

MLBTraderumors.com is, shall we say, not the most reliable of sources and doesn’t warrant a whole lot of serious consideration.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 28, 2009 8:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The source is actually ESPN Radio

MLBTR merely passed it along.

by Graham on Jan 28, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering what the fuss was about - the very first line points to ESPN.

Why did the chicken cross the road?
Kenji Johjima couldn't catch him.

by kevin_ess on Jan 28, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The opening link was mlbtr though

I just have a tremendous disdain for that site.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 28, 2009 8:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would also far, far prefer sourcing be direct

But it doesn’t appear that MLBTR has just made it up.

by Graham on Jan 28, 2009 8:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What, you don't like the fact that "BaseballGuru" knows more than we ever will about baseball?

:)

Why did the chicken cross the road?
Kenji Johjima couldn't catch him.

by kevin_ess on Jan 28, 2009 8:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If he were BaseballGuru4597 I'd take him much more seriously

but yeah, in this case I disdained too soon.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 28, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno

think you can trust this face?

by msb on Jan 28, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The original note is:

“The Cubs also continue to pursue Seattle pitcher Aaron Heilman. The Mariners are looking for middle infield help, possibly switching one of their current guys to first base next year. They are known to have interest in Ronny Cedeno, who is out of options. Heilman, a former Met, would be exactly the swingman that Piniella could use as a fifth starter or a sixth and seventh inning middle reliever.”

by msb on Jan 28, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Quick run to Fangraphs shows UZR's at SS for the last 3 years as -3.6,1.3, and -1.0

However, playing 2B for the same time period shows 3.7,1.2, and 1.1.

wOBA’s of .305,.264, and .259

by Goose on Jan 28, 2009 8:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I did the same thing, but the sample size is really small.

I don’t know if there are any good Cubs blogs out there that would have a little bit of a scouting report. I’ll bet if the trade does go through we’ll have the privledge of reading a good report out the LL/USSM world.

"Beer is ... love ..." Ben Franklin

by Jed MC on Jan 28, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Goat Riders of the Apocalypse

Colin Wyers is pretty solid and contributes there.

by R.J. Anderson on Jan 28, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dave is a fan

I haven’t seen him enough to say anything beyond repeating his stats, which would be lame.

by Graham on Jan 28, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I did watch Hill pitch the last 3 years, and he even put up a FIP of over 6 in AAA in 7 starts?

If he can regain his control, fine, but apparently he was tipping his curve pretty heavily, which only compounded the problem that his fastball doesn’t move an awful lot.

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Jan 28, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN's reporting it will be Garrett Olson

who the Cubs picked up from the Orioles in the Pie deal.

Link.

"Beer is ... love ..." Ben Franklin

by Jed MC on Jan 28, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Neat!

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Jan 28, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

http://statcorner.com/pitcherSP.php?id=457796&team=NOR&year=2008&leag=INT

Well, 17% LD and .335 BABIP against, combined with a ~10% swinging strike rate at AAA over the last two years, and under team control for five years?

Yes please.

by seattlebruin on Jan 28, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not everyone kicks ass their first full year in the majors.

Olson has been a highly regarded prospect for the last few years. On a rebuilding team, we can wait for him to bloom.

by Wilder. on Jan 28, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm saying he wasn't as awful as his traditional stats indicate

and like Wilder points out, a lot of guys struggle their first time around in the bigs. Imagine if we traded Jeff Clement for a delicious can of Fresca right now because he didn’t hit last year

by seattlebruin on Jan 28, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously!

Fresca’s great. No calories, maximum flavor.

I would be at least tempted by any trade that nets us Fresca in return. Just imagine how sparkling grapefruit refreshment would have softened the blow of the Snellin/Fruto/Vidro trade.

by Chris Hafner on Jan 28, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm kidding..........

Small and manageable sig

by Taylor H on Jan 28, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

butthol 30 second rule time!

Steps for Taylor to post on LL

1. Write comment(s)
2. Wait 30 seconds
3. Read comment(s)
4. If funny/informative/keeps conversation going, hit post
5. If sarcasm that doesn’t work, hit cancel
6. The end!

by seattlebruin on Jan 28, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You're close

It would have been a good trade had it not happened.

by Chris Hafner on Jan 28, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Blasphemer!

That’s like saying the Beatles sound an awful lot like the Monkees. Diet Squirt tastes like breath mints—which I suppose has its own appeal. Fresca tastes like awesome in a can.

by Chris Hafner on Jan 28, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thumbs up

Cedeno’s a very good defender with more bat than people are giving him credit for.

by davidcameron on Jan 28, 2009 9:05 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Little early to begin talking about this

But does this mean Yuni’s days are numbered?

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Jan 28, 2009 9:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well he certainly doesn't put himself at risk

Moving slowly and lazily and doing a small amount of exercise could probably one’s life expectancy

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Jan 28, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

*Extend

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Jan 28, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And fuck you,

You knew what I meant

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Jan 28, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's quick though, like a cat ain't he?

Big new though. Watch a lineup of meh bats and plus side/average gloves blow up expectations next year. Then we get to listen to a bunch of talk of overplaying their abilities.

What happened to Rich Hill to send him back to high A ball last year? Google reveals claims of command issues, one comment that he laughed at Sweet Lou who immediately had him shipped out, and a statement by hill claiming he found a flaw in his mechanics. Then he went out and got shelled. Injury? Case of misplaced confidence?

by Kermit. on Jan 28, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hill lost his command,

had some flaw that was tipping his gigantic slow looping curve, and Sweet Lou wasn’t a fan. He hit the Trifecta. Assuming he could fix his mechanics, he WAS a pretty solid starter in 2007 so a repeat performance would be valuable.

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Jan 28, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent.

::drums fingers::

by Omerta on Jan 28, 2009 9:47 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

KJR JUST SAID OLSEN!!!!!

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jan 28, 2009 9:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sorry for yelling.

And it’s Olson.

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jan 28, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We're going to trade for Lou back!

Ronny Cedeno would be awesome. I wonder what this would mean for Yuni and Lopez. Yuni to second base and Lopez gets traded? Yuni simply gets traded?

by Wilder. on Jan 28, 2009 9:51 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

So, we just traded Hielman for Cedeno and Olsen.

Bleed Cubbie Blue is pissed.
I just got MLB Front Office Manager.
It’s the beginning of my weekend.

Ladies and gentleman, today has entered awesome land.

by Goose on Jan 28, 2009 9:54 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Will do in the next OT thread.

It’s pretty much the only thing I plan to do today.

by Goose on Jan 28, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This all happened because I watched Game 5 of the 1995 ALDS last night!

The magic just keeps on continuing!

Thank you, Jack Z! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

by Wilder. on Jan 28, 2009 9:58 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Holy shizz.

What a great deal.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Jan 28, 2009 10:01 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Please Dusty Baker, hate your young pitchers...

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Jan 28, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No one is THAT stupid

I could pray for a Yuni + a top prospect or two for Joey Votto deal though, right?

by seattlebruin on Jan 28, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There is no way we get Votto.

Unless Cincy is as stupid as we think. Although, throw in Carp and they might consider it….

by Wilder. on Jan 28, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sold on either Votto or Bailey

but I’d really love to get Harang out of that hell hole.

by marc w on Jan 28, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yessir

Obviously I’d trade Yuni for Votto, but it seems like a poor course of action to give up top prospects for a ~league average 1B even if he is cheap.

by JI on Jan 28, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, because I think you can get the same bat fairly cheaply on a one year deal most years.

There are actually reasonably good 1B prospects in the organization now, and while I’m all for stockpiling talent I’d rather stockpile it other places.

by acblue on Jan 28, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We have a surplus of B prospects in the low minors

why not deal a few of them for someone who is ~league average and cheap for the next few years to help the big league club? You’re also getting rid of Yuni, and that has to be a plus (except for for Fogel)

by seattlebruin on Jan 28, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not as opposed to the idea as I think I'm coming across.

I’d rather keep the prospects but I’m 60/40 on it.

by acblue on Jan 28, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I certainly would like to keep prospects too, but I would see something like this as trading from strength

(a whole bunch of B/B+ prospects who are still a ways away) to help the big league team now, and not have to pay out the butt for the player we’re getting.

by seattlebruin on Jan 28, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I still don't think money is an object

if it means the difference between contending and not contending.

by JI on Jan 28, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this

but even with this type of deal, we’re still really looking to compete in 2010/2011, when he’ll still be reasonably cheap.

The money isn’t an utter deal-breaker, but it makes enough of a difference that I’d be much more inclined to do something like this

by seattlebruin on Jan 28, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Remember when making a trade was a bad thing?

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Jan 28, 2009 10:03 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

So, since Olson was traded for Pie....

How would you be feeling right now if this trade had been Pie + Cedeno?

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Jan 28, 2009 10:03 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

When the USSM server comes back to life

You’ll see this described as nothing short of a home run.

zduriencik traded J.J. Putz, Sean Green, Jeremy Reed, and Luis Valbuena for Franklin Gutierrez, Ronny Cedeno, Garrett Olson, Jason Vargas, Endy Chavez, Mickael Cleto, Ezequiel Carrera, and Mike Carp.

Holy hell – that might be the best trade in franchise history when all is said and done.

by davidcameron on Jan 28, 2009 10:05 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

And the trading isn't over yet.

We now have more guys to flip.

by Wilder. on Jan 28, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of which

Did I miss a trade or were we up to 40 on the 40-man roster?

Or does one of the acuisitions not need to sit on the 40-man?

W1 L2 (.333)
Coming to a baseball stadium near you this June

by MarkE on Jan 28, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely incredible

I’m having trouble grasping this. Like, it’s incomprehensible. I love this

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Jan 28, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was just thinking that...

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jan 28, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This day is full of win.

So this is what it feels like to win trades every time out.

by Omerta on Jan 28, 2009 10:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

What the shit

Jesus he’s retarded

HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)

by tootthekazoo on Jan 28, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not gonna happen

Despite all the hate, Lopez has basically been an average/very slightly above average 2B…can’t imagine our front office misjudging his talent that much

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Jan 28, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And that would just about nuke whatever value he has in trade, no?

He’s got to be worth more for trade value than for whatever benefit he serves the lineup at DH is what I’m thinking.

by Kermit. on Jan 28, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A little less retarded, yes.

But I don’t think we want to see Lopez at first. It’s almost like moving Clement to first.

by Wilder. on Jan 28, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably

But it requires Lopez to learn a new position

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Jan 28, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well you know that Branyan is an above average 1B

While it makes all kinds of sense that Lopez would be too, it’s impossible to know that for sure at this point

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Jan 28, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Booooooorrrring....

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jan 28, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jose Lopez would be the worst DH ever

and that’s coming from LoL’s unabashed Loafie defender now that LFoJL is in the perma-box

by seattlebruin on Jan 28, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lets move Lopez to the one spot where he can get even less physical activity.

Great idea.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jan 28, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Im still around.

And LFOJL was banned for good? Why and when did that happen?

by Slica on Jan 28, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This must be a joke.

I coulda sworn LFOJL was around before the butthol appearances.

by Slica on Jan 28, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey now.

Half of my posts on Lookout Landing are defending Lopez and loving him with words.

There are no good individual basketball statistics.
54!

by joof on Jan 28, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Tacoma's rotation

Olson-Feierabend-Vargas-Rohrbaugh-Hernandez?

They need to find another lefty for Triple-A and run an All LHP All The Time promotion.

by davidcameron on Jan 28, 2009 10:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yes,

so I’m not sure how you can compare Olson the starter to RRS the starter (in the majors).

by tait644 on Jan 28, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Try this...

Link

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Jan 28, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Being a literalist

on the internet doesn’t help.

Nor does my utter disdain for nuance.

by tait644 on Jan 28, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It might be a rough road for you here...

Why did the chicken cross the road?
Kenji Johjima couldn't catch him.

by kevin_ess on Jan 28, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Whew. Thank god you stopped by to inform me of that.

It’s a wonder that I’ve made it this long writing and analyzing baseball without ever coming into contact with the idea of sample sizes.

by Matthew on Jan 28, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They have another one: Justin Thomas.

Just let Gaby work out his issues in AA for a while and there yougo…..

by marc w on Jan 28, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Similar

But Olson looks like a better bet to stick in the rotation to me. I’m still not sold on RRS as a starter.

by davidcameron on Jan 28, 2009 10:19 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Where do you see him eventually then?

I’d assume he has too much value to waste as a middle relief/spot start guy. Maybe a LH setup guy who can get both RH and LH batters type-deal?

by seattlebruin on Jan 28, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the different pitch mix is important as well

RRS uses a curve ball fairly frequently, and is thus much less reliant on the FB.

Olson just needs to figure out what was wrong with his slider – he went from death on a stick to lefties to Sean Green throwing underhanded to lefties last year. Not sure why.

by marc w on Jan 28, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think I just became a fan of another team

there’s no way that I, a Mariners fan, could/should be happy about two trades in a row that we’ve made

by seattlebruin on Jan 28, 2009 10:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Then we will blog in the shade..

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Jan 28, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

DAMN! I was about to type that..

Your comment was below the bottom of my screen :-(

by seattlesundevil on Jan 28, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I almost feel bad for the Angels

they’re now in a division with Jon Daniels, Billy Beane and Jack Zduriencik… wow this feels weird

by seattlebruin on Jan 28, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WRONG!

...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.

by oc on Jan 28, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

:(

.
.
.

:(

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jan 28, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I declared a jihad on Subway.

For their incessantly annoying commercials.

by Matthew on Jan 28, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yea, I really don't like the current advertising going around

by companies that are taking advantage of the economic plight.

by Fin on Jan 28, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The next time I hear the words "now more than ever" in a fast food commercial I'm going to lose it.

You know what people should be doing now more than ever? Cooking their own goddamned food. Riding out a recession is hard enough without developing Type 2 diabetes.

by acblue on Jan 28, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes!

It’s always a good idea to prepare your own food (and hopefully know where it came from), but even more so today.

I’ll admit I’m a sucker for Chicken McNuggets and fries, but cooking at home (and hopefully knowing where your food came from) is the smart move. I picked up a cookbook or two and am going to teach myself how to cook.

by Teej on Jan 28, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I already disliked their food,

but the Five Dollar Footlong ads were the last straw. I was just thinking boycott, but I guess a jihad is a better idea.

by Teej on Jan 28, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

THANK YOU for mentioning those ads.

I wanted to kick in my TV when they were shown.

by redwolf75 on Jan 28, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Quiznos is disgusting.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Jan 28, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Quiznos is also not fast food.

It takes those fuckers 30 minutes to make a sandwich.

Why did the chicken cross the road?
Kenji Johjima couldn't catch him.

by kevin_ess on Jan 28, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Quiznos is amazing, I had one pretty much every day in NYC.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jan 29, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, what? What?

WHAT is going on around here?! The trade is done? Rumored? Holy shizz. Olson and Cedeno?! I have to get up earlier to keep tabs on this front office.

by royalcurve on Jan 28, 2009 10:32 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Confirmed on Cubs site

W1 L2 (.333)
Coming to a baseball stadium near you this June

by MarkE on Jan 28, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose a link would help

Go nuts

W1 L2 (.333)
Coming to a baseball stadium near you this June

by MarkE on Jan 28, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I found this interesting
He was assured over the weekend that he would compete for a spot in Seattle’s deep starting rotation.

This would have never happened during the Bavasi regime, going back on his word if a better solution was offered. Smart and cutthroat. It’s like he is a dreamlollipop from the island oh so sweat mixtures.

by Robert on Jan 28, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

And...

…it’s official official since it’s both on the M’s site, and on Wikipedia.

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jan 28, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What are you talking about?

Wikipedia is a very good source. This is how I get school work done.

by Fin on Jan 28, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it was

he’s right, too. Not that I’d ever cite it, but as a first cut of basic research, I’d imagine Wikipedia is very helpful (not that I’ve written a research paper in four years, but whatever)

by seattlebruin on Jan 28, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Citing wikipedia isn't such a good thing.

By using their citings can work. Just make sure you go look at it first.

by Wilder. on Jan 28, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a good place to go for a basic understanding of your topic of choice.

Then you use those tidbits to go do real research.

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Jan 28, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the problem

99 percent of people fail to do that “real research” part. Further, the information found on Wikipedia can be edited by anyone…its beauty and its curse.

by TheTank123 on Jan 28, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well I think the others got it right.

I use it as a first place for research, and then look at their sources and see if I can get any leads from there. Its not terribly inaccurate, it seems whenever people make a lewd comment it disappears fast, kind of like that Washburn wiki that we had up.

by Fin on Jan 28, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I use Wikipedia to gain a rough understanding of a topic

then use the links cited in the wikipedia article to research further.

by BrianL on Jan 28, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

And generally, it’s only good to take information at face value off of wikipedia from the more popular articles, which are heavily edited and have numerous sources.

by redwolf75 on Jan 28, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It is very useful.

Because you can always change it to match what you wrote in your paper.

by msb on Jan 28, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who was it that made their own Heilman Ms card

and got it signed this weekend? Because that’s now a hilarious card.

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jan 28, 2009 10:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ahaha I found it.

It was on Deanna’s blog

the other angels fan

by Eyebrows on Jan 28, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait

Was his face shopped or did he actually posed in a Mariners uniform?

by Fin on Jan 28, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Uniform replacement isnt that hard.

I do it four or five times a week to Albert Pujols. But if you have access to the players having them pose in front of a dark background and cutting/pasting in front of the crowd would be even easier.

by Vatinius on Jan 28, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Does Heilman stand a chance being in the Cubs rotation?

by Fin on Jan 28, 2009 10:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I just.... I just want to hold you...

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Jan 28, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Have fun with Olson, guys

"This world extends way beyond this little field of dreams we're dancing in and I want to see that world"

by exitfare on Jan 28, 2009 11:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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