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  • Nobody wants Adam Dunn. Except Washington, for whom Dunn's primary purpose would be flagging down cabs for the rest of the outfield. The quote of the day comes from Agent, who took time away from his busy schedule of hanging out with Unnamed Source and High-Ranking AL Executive to answer a few questions:
    "I think Dunn will get a max of $5 million per year. Anything more than that and I'd be surprised."
    I think Agent is probably exaggerating (or maybe he's just a shitty agent) (Kenny Lofton's agent?), but the fact of the matter is that a market for Dunn simply hasn't developed, and it doesn't look like there's much demand in the cards for later on as more and more free agents find new homes. This one could get really interesting, and as long as Dunn is out there somewhere homeless and potentially cheap, there's no reason to even think about Griffey. No Griffey. No Griffey no Griffey no Griffey.

  • Aside from Dunn, the Mariners have kicked the tires on Nick Swisher and Xavier Nady. Zduriencik is clearly determined to find himself another bat, and I'm happy to see him exploring his options rather than taking the Bavasi approach and homing in on one player. Of the two, I'd prefer Swisher, but given that all we've heard is that the M's gave the Yankees a phone call, now is hardly the time to go into great detail.

  • We're looking at Craig Counsell and Rosenthal speculates that we're also open to dealing Aaron Heilman. Neither of these should come as much of a surprise. Counsell has Milwaukee ties and would fill the utility role that Zduriencik has tried to address, and Heilman is a new body who wants to start on a team with too many starters. On Counsell: he can still pick it at three positions and draws walks because he hates to swing, but power-wise, he's you. Were he to sign with Seattle, he'd basically be Willie Ballgame, only way less annoying. On Heilman: now doesn't strike me as the best time to sell, but if the team doesn't feel that he can be effective in relief, his value may not have much rebound potential. Trade rumors seemed to follow Heilman wherever he went with New York. I guess it makes sense that they'd follow him to Seattle. 

  • Between Felix Pie, Adam Jones, and Nick Markakis, Baltimore has put together one hell of a defensive outfield with loads of offensive upside. And Markakis is on the verge of signing a $66m/6yr extension. I can't believe I live in a world in which the Orioles have a clue. Too bad they're pretty much fucked for eternity.

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If the price is that low I'd strongly consider 3

Eating 5 million is not the end of the world in the worst case, and best case is you get three years of a good DH for only 15 million, worst case you get 2 years for 15 million. I’d take that risk

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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 19, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I probably would as well but I'd go hard for two.

I would imagine Dunn would be more likely to go two years as well, because he’s probably trying to convince himself that the lack of interest is economy related and not Adam Dunn related. I don’t think that’s the case, but if I’m him I’d probably feel the same way.

by acblue on Jan 19, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

aside from a blown subjunctive (should be “if I were him”), your tenses were spot-on.

by The Ancient Mariner on Jan 20, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

1/7

or so. That’s probably what Dunn should be hoping for. He might need a “rehabilitation year,” so to speak. I really doubt he goes multi year for anything less than 8 per.

by tait644 on Jan 19, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think if he's bound to get less than 10 million per

Dunn won’t be looking for a long term deal. He’d just test the market again in a couple of years; he’s young enough that he can get another multi year contract.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 20, 2009 6:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Heh
I can’t believe I live in a world in which the Orioles have a clue

I’m pretty sure that’s what the rest of baseball thinks about us.

by Goose on Jan 19, 2009 8:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

There's always

KC/ Nationals, and even if they do grow a brain, there’s always the Pirates

by RollingWave on Jan 19, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Off the Top of my head:

Excellent:

Tampa, Oakland, Boston, Cleveland

Above average:

Seattle(!), Minnesota, Milwaukee, Arizona, San Diego

Adequately:

Philadelphia, Colorado, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Atlanta, Baltimore(?), Florida, New York, New York, Texas, St. Louis, Anaheim

Poorly:

Chicago, Chicago, Kansas City, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Houston, Cincinnati

Crazily:

Detroit, Washington

by JI on Jan 19, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Drafts.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 20, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Did they change their front office?

I just know they have had a terrible last 15 years, both drafting, trading, and free agency.

by Wilder. on Jan 20, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, they made a change.

They hired Neal Huntington out of the Cleveland GM factory, and he’s made it pretty clear what kind of path he’s on. And they drafted and signed Pedro Alvarez, which is something you wouldn’t have seen with the old regime. And they recognized that Matt Morris was a sunk cost and just dropped him. Seems like they’ve got a clue.

by Teej on Jan 20, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Dunn is a 2 or 2.5 win player,

what would be wrong with 2 years at $22 million with performance incentives and a team option for a third? (Not necessarily just for the Mariners.) He may have old player skills but 2 years is hardly risking decline. If he’d DH I’d be pretty happy to have him aboard, but he seems hell bent on costing his team runs with the glove.

by Double06 on Jan 19, 2009 8:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not much, but

1/7 is much better, no?

by tait644 on Jan 19, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

but I doubt it comes to that.

by Double06 on Jan 19, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You'd have to think that if 2/22 is out there, he would have jumped on it by now

I’m excited for the possibility of Adam Dunn on a one or two year deal at $8M per

by seattlebruin on Jan 20, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Except all indications in the press (that I've read)

are that he’s content at demanding $14 million a year. He’s just not ready to settle. And if he gets close to signing a 1 year $8 million deal somewhere and we enter the bidding with a $10 or $11 million deal, he’d have a pretty tough decision to make.

Getting a steal is fantastic, but I’m perfectly content paying players what they’re worth in free agency.

by Double06 on Jan 20, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think is one player where I don't really want him unless we get him at a fairly significant discount

the downside is just too high and he’s still a guy with little to no defensive value

by seattlebruin on Jan 20, 2009 8:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

At 2 years the risk of decline is really low, even with old player skills.

And wins are wins. And you’d probably get Type-A compensation.

by Double06 on Jan 20, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

With this team I'd rather not surrender the opportunity cost going into next season.

The more I think about the more I’m convinced he’s only a good idea for one year or two years/$cheap.

by acblue on Jan 20, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There's certainly better deals to be had if you got creative.

But one or two years of cheap production followed by possibly two draft picks is mighty enticing.

by Double06 on Jan 20, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

6 outfielders aren’t enough.

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

Your 2009 Opening Day starter at second base*: Eugenio Velez
*For the Fresno Grizzlies

by baetown415 on Jan 19, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good for the Orioles

Let the AL east beat up on each other.

NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 19, 2009 9:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Yankees don't really have any use for Heilman either

Although it would be hilarious to send him back to New York

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by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 19, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know.

Name three guys in the Yankees’ bullpen (without looking). And when it comes to starting, they are still looking for a 5th starter (if they decide they don’t want to go with their young hurlers).

If they are serious about wanting to dump Swisher, they will be willing to get most anything of value back. I would hope GMZ at least tests the waters, which he may already have done. The great thing is, the longer Dunn’s value goes down, so does Swisher’s.

by Wilder. on Jan 19, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well

They actually do have several 5th starter candidates, they just want to sign guys who most team would qualify as #3 or better guys to be their 5th starter. most teams would be ecastic if their worse starter is potentially Phil Hughes.

by RollingWave on Jan 19, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I was thinking

after last year’s barrage of starter injuries they’ll be looking for depth, and he’s got value as a setup man, long reliever, etc. It’ll be a lot more than what they gave up for Swisher.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 20, 2009 6:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd assume they'd ask for something else too, like a far away prospect with good upside

so without trying to rosterbate too much, this trade does seem to make a little sense on both ends provided we toss in a little carrot on the back end

by seattlebruin on Jan 20, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought so too

and would have no problem with a A+/AA position player heading out there too. Or Rob Johnson. Everyone likes defensive minded catchers, right?

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 20, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking more like Juan Ramirez/Michael Pineda/Jharmidy DeJesus

someone with real upside who right now isn’t terribly high probability

by seattlebruin on Jan 20, 2009 8:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd break Zduriencik's neck if any of those went to New York.

They paid for Swisher with a failed corner infielder, a piece of worthless roster filler, and one interesting bullpen arm. Any of those three you mentioned has more potential value then what the Yankees paid the ChiSox. Heilman alone may not do it, but I’m not forgoing any of those three.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jan 20, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One of those guys is entirely reasonable.

Swisher would probably warrant a draft pick at the end of his contract anyway, and he’d be around for 3 years. That’s not really sacrificing the future when Swisher will be a part of the near future.

by Double06 on Jan 20, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You're forgetting

that they got an even more interesting bullpen arm back; I’d rather have Kanekoa Teixeira than either of the pitchers they sent the White Sox.

by The Ancient Mariner on Jan 20, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think SB's overvaluing Swisher as well

if Heilman goes there I think it takes little more to bring Swisher to Seattle. He had a terrible season last year.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 20, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is he more valued though?

The Yanks still need starting depth and every dollar of payroll they currently have is counted double because of luxury taxes. It’s a good match although I freely admit they could find a better one elsewhere. Anyway, I doubt it takes one of our A+ ‘aces’ on top of Heilman to get him here.

Whatever. The point is, we know Zduriencik is interested in a bat, and at least the reports are that he’s interested in Swisher and not Griffey/Dunn, which is a welcome change.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 20, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Gotcha

because I was thinking “I don’t see how we have more than one prospect who would be an A+, and I’m not even sure Aumont is that good”

by seattlebruin on Jan 20, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just because you pick up Ichiro for a delicious cold can of Sprite in a trade

does not mean you are obligated to trade him for a delicious cold can of Fresca if someone else wants him.

by eponymous_coward on Jan 20, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cashman's not stupid.

Heilman is maybe a 1 WAR reliever, ??? as a starter, under team control for one year. Swisher is a 2-3 WAR OF/1B, under team control for a lot longer. No deal.

by eponymous_coward on Jan 20, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure he is

He might not be a +2 to +3 win player for the Yankees, but he’s still a +2 to +3 win player. There’s no reason for the Yankees to give him away. Asking them to deal him for Heilman is giving him away.

Really, it’s going to have to be something like Bedard/Wlad for Swisher/something or several prospects for Swisher, then Wlad gets flipped to someone else for whatever you can get for him.

by davidcameron on Jan 20, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Yankees should try to get the highest possible marginal return on their roster

That means that if they can trade a 2-3 win guy who’ll play half a season for a 1.5-2.5 win guy who has an open spot on the roster to fit into, they should do it. I’m not asking them to give him away, but them trying to get Swisher value back for Swisher will only work if they draw other teams into a bidding war.

by Graham on Jan 20, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But if you're the Yankees, you have the financial resources to chance some low marginal return.

I could easily see Cashman letting Swisher play part-time the first half of ‘09 giving guys like Matsui and Damon some time off if he didn’t get a deal he liked coming out of spring training, and then flipping him in a deadline deal for some bullpen arm + stud prospect to a NL contender needing “one more bat”. That, or if one of them goes down, boom, you’re playing Nick Swisher every day instead of the worse of Gardner/Cabrera.

The Yankees of the 1940’s and 1950’s were kind of like that- they’d have an OF with 4 legit MLB players- the superstar like DiMaggio or Mantle, All-Stars like Bauer or Henrich, and guys who were pretty good and would be 145 games a year regulars on other teams like Woodling and Noren. Stengel would be playing some pretty good ballplayers only 100-120 games a year, and it helped a lot when Mantle or DiMaggio had their annual injury.

by eponymous_coward on Jan 20, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, something like that.

Also, it wouldn’t be completely irrational for Cashman to wait until the end of spring training to a) see if everyone is coming back from their injuries just fine and b) see if someone else on a contender blows out a knee to help drive the price for Swisher up.

Also: Bedard/Wlad? Yikes. Bedard is a HUUGE piece of the potential group of “guys with upside enough to get us into contention if we get lucky”. I’d grit hard having to trade him, because it almost certainly means you’ve punted ’09… but I probably would do it.

by eponymous_coward on Jan 20, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rivera, Veras, Ramirez, Coke, Marte

I had to look after that

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Jan 19, 2009 10:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

They could always

Put Joba back in the pen and give half the writers in Ny an organsim while 90% of the bloggers a heart attack.

in reality, their plan seem to be Rivera then a bunch of rotating door, almost everyone except Marte still has options and can just rotate until they find some shite that sticks.

by RollingWave on Jan 19, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would be suprised

if Veras doesn’t stick. For some reason I saw a lot of him last year and am smitten. His walks and HR’s are a little high but his stuff is sick

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Jan 20, 2009 12:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Question

I’m curious, why the preference for Swisher over Nady?

by El Macho on Jan 19, 2009 10:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm trying to be a nice guy and make it as general as I can,

since the commenter doesn’t appear to realize that one year does not a player make. Swisher has a record of hitting better, fielding better, having more awesome facial hair and being younger. Plus he’s locked in for a few years.

I might be a sucker for a good smile and a high OBP, but Swisher’s one of my favorite players in baseball.

by Teej on Jan 19, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Because

Swisher is a good hitter coming off a mediocre poor year
Nady is a mediocre hitter coming off a good year

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Jan 20, 2009 12:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder what the odds line in Vegas is

That Adam Dunn hits exactly 40 homeruns next year?

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Jan 20, 2009 12:44 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

right now? not very high.

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Jan 20, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If I were Dunn I'd find a 1 year deal and get myself back on the market...

I mean this offseason has been so drastically different than the past few. Say the economy rebounds a bit in a year…there’s no way some team won’t pay him. I refuse to believe that every franchise got smart and started valuing players accuratly, I just think they’re reluctant to spend in tougher times. I mean even if he has an off year it probably won’t hurt him much.

by SethGrandpa on Jan 20, 2009 2:25 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Some of the really dumb teams got a lot smarter over the past two-three years

Seattle, Baltimore and Tampa(!) come to mind (I’m aware that Tampa has done a good job rebuilding but they were the laughingstock of baseball as recently as three years ago)

by seattlebruin on Jan 20, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The economy has certainly had an effect on the free-agent market, but that's not the only cause.

Teams have gotten smarter, and the teams that are still stupid don’t need Adam Dunn. Teams are going to continue to get smarter; players with Dunn’s skillset are as close to being properly valued as they’ve ever been, and I doubt we see a complete 180 on that front.

by acblue on Jan 20, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wilder's said it

but I’d like to reinforce how much I like the idea. Heilman for Swisher. Makes sense for us, makes sense for them. If they insist, we can throw in Rob Johnson (great defensive catcher!).

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 20, 2009 6:38 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Also worth noting

in terms of what’s going on around the league. Roto world cites an Arizona paper as claiming Randy Wolf has turned down the Dbacks’ offer and they are running out of options for starters. They apparently have about 5 million to spend and I for one would be very happy to give them 5 million plus Washburn. Plus it would be interesting to see if pitching in the NL can outweigh Arizona’s run environment. I’m betting no.

Also per Roto (I’ve been productive at work this morning) SD is under executive order to pare down payroll another five million minimum, and Peavy’s salary minus Washburn’s salary is exactly that. I imagine they would require something more than Washburn to move him, and I don’t want to speculate as to what that might be. But if the goal for the mariners is to contend as soon as possible picking up a guy who’s under a reasonable contract through his prime years is a good idea. Even if he starts to age and has to adjust to the AL he needs to be a ~3 -3.5 win player for the next three years to justify his pay. The big problem here is his no trade clause and the Padres’ demands, but if payroll MUST be cut, they lose leverage.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 20, 2009 8:11 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Padres

They wanted Yunel Escobar, Tommy Hanson, and Gorkys Hernandez from the Braves for Peavy. To put that into Mariner terms, that’s something like Jose Lopez, Brandon Morrow, and Michael Saunders. Pass.

by davidcameron on Jan 20, 2009 8:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I figured it would be something like that

It’s hard to ask for the world when you have to cut payroll no matter what, but if they’re looking for a sucker then I’d rather it not be the Mariners. Been there done that.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 20, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't blame them for trying to play their hand.

Not everyone correctly adjusts for league/park.

by JI on Jan 20, 2009 9:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Sun says the Markakis deal is done.

6 years/$66.1 million.

That buys out three years of free agency. Nice work.

by Teej on Jan 20, 2009 10:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Also a report

that AJ has gained 25 pounds after extensive training this winter. If he keeps his mobility… shit.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 20, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lack of power wasn't much of a problem for AJ.

It may not have translated to the Majors yet but I have confidence it would have — CHONE is predicting .170 ISO. I’d be really afraid of him losing range if this is true, which is his biggest asset right now.

by Double06 on Jan 20, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They're thinking of him in left with Pie in center

he has speed to spare and the extra weight will help him hit the ball farther.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 20, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Even still,

we’ll just have to see if that ends up with more positive run contribution. I’m relatively sure he’d still be a plus defensive corner outfielder, but maintaining agility and making more contact would have been a more suitable regimen if you ask me. The power would come anyways.

by Double06 on Jan 20, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hope he doesn't pull a Ruben Sierra.

I suppose it’s all conjecture that the bulk he put on damaged his career.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Jan 20, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Aardsma --> Us

We just acquired Aardsma from the Red Sox for minor-leaguer LHP Fabian Williamson.

by The Yellow Dart on Jan 20, 2009 2:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

No, but he is added depth.

I think I’m just bored and hoping for news.

by acblue on Jan 20, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Translation:

Hoping for Swisher

(collective nod of the entire LL community)

by Wilder. on Jan 20, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I want Swisher, sure, but there are other interesting things Heilman could bring.

The thing that’s awesome about this front office is that I think they’re capable of figuring out awesome things that I am not, which is different.

by acblue on Jan 20, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely agree.

This has been an awesome offseason of good news. Keep the news coming because you know it’s going to be good with Jack at the helm.

by Wilder. on Jan 20, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm all for pulling in random dudes on minor league deals

But spending money and giving away warm bodies doesn’t seem good

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org

by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 20, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not going to lose sleep over the move

I just have trouble seeing the point

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org

by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 20, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I realize that Zduriencik spent a whole lot more time thinking about it then I did and will assume that it's the right move

I think half of it is just a kneejerk reaction that any move any GM makes ever is bad that still hasn’t worn off of me yet.

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org

by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 20, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If you release them you give up the depth you acquired though

I just prefer to, for guys who may not be on the team all season, try pretty hard to find guys with minor league options

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org

by I'm NOT Corco on Jan 20, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Williamson is a dime a dozen.

And if Aardesma can gain some trade value through midseason, we can turn around and trade him for a different Williamson (maybe even better).

by Wilder. on Jan 20, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hopefully not Scott

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Jan 20, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

YES.

I don’t have any Dalwhinnie, but if you touch my bottle of Nadurra, I would know, and I would CARE.

However, if you asked nicely, I would pour you a generous glass.

by marc w on Jan 20, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I could use one right now.

I haven’t had Nadurra yet. What would you compare it to?

by Sec 108 on Jan 20, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm.

Balvenie mixed with bourbon?

It’s quite strong at 112 proof, so it has a bite that a normal Speyside wouldn’t, but it’s still sweet and smooth like Glenlivet 12 or Balvenie. It’s aged in bourbon casks (16 years), so sweeter/more vanilla than normal. If you like scotch AND bourbon, you’d love it. If you’re a highland purist, eh, you might hate it or just prefer the cask-strength Laphroaig or whatever.

by marc w on Jan 20, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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