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More On Felix's Fastball

For a few years, now, Felix's fastball has been the center of debate. One group of Mariner fans wants to see him throw it less often and less predictably, as it has statistically been his worst pitch, while the other group wants to see him keep throwing it a lot in an effort to improve his command, as the fastball, they believe, is the pitch off of which all his other weapons are built. It's been a fascinating and novel discussion from the beginning, and 2008 only served to elevate its significance, as Felix started throwing his fastball more than ever before, with arguably disappointing results.

One of the main bullet points of the pro-fastball crowd is the argument that, were Felix to throw his fastball less often, that would in turn make his offspeed stuff less effective, as the success of his offspeed stuff comes at least in part out of its unpredictability. It makes intuitive sense. If batters aren't sitting fastball so much, then in theory they'll be better prepared to adjust to pitches that dive and bite. If true, this would support the position that Felix needs to keep attacking primarily with his heater.

With the help of PITCHf/x and the Fangraphs game logs, we can legitimately investigate this idea. I downloaded all of Felix's .xml files and went into each one individually to figure out how many fastballs Felix threw in each start. I then split them up into the following three groups:

Group avgFA% GS IP
FA% < 60 56.8% 8 53.2
60 < FA% < 70 64.9% 13 88.2
FA% > 70 72.1% 10 58.1

Not the greatest set of sample sizes in the world, but it's not horrible, and the distribution is fairly even. Felix had eight starts in which he threw fewer than 60% fastballs, ten starts in which he threw more than 70% fastballs, and 13 starts in which he threw between 60-70% fastballs. For the curious, his overall range was 54% (April 6, vs. Baltimore) to 76% (July 18, vs. Indians).

Armed with these groups, we can then proceed to the data:

Group FA_SwS% OFF_SwS% K/BB FIP RA
FA% < 60 6.9% 16.4% 3.0 3.76 3.02
60 < FA% < 70 5.4% 14.8% 2.3 3.88 3.35
FA% > 70 5.3% 12.6% 2.1 3.97 5.25

There's a trend in there, but not in the direction many people would expect. Instead of making his offspeed pitches better, Felix throwing a lot of fastballs actually seemed to make them worse. In fact, it just made Felix worse, period. When he threw a bunch of fastballs, his fastball was less effective, his offspeed stuff was less effective, and his K/BB dropped close to the league average. When he mixed his pitches better and threw more junk, he got more swinging strikes across the board, and his K/BB climbed higher. In other words, not only did throwing fewer fastballs improve Felix's offspeed stuff - it also improved his fastball. That was unexpected.

This isn't intended to be definitive. We're only dealing with one season of numbers, and there could be any number of reasons why the data looks the way it looks. But the fact that Felix's offspeed swinging strike rate was its lowest when he threw the most fastballs pretty strongly suggests that the two aren't correlated in the way that the pro-fastball people would think. It seems, rather, that the best way for Felix to throw off the timing of the hitters is to introduce a pitch mix closer to 55/45 or 60/40. It's probably not a coincidence that, in a season in which he threw the most fastballs, he put up the worst (meaningful) statistics of his young career. He should think about getting back to what made him effective in years past.

Short of getting some measurement of what's going on in a hitter's brain when he steps in against Felix, we'll never be able to prove the case either way. But while there's no evidence that throwing more fastballs improves Felix's offspeed stuff, there is evidence of the opposite, and with that in mind, I think it would behoove Felix and the Mariners to change away from his 2008 plan of attack. When a guy can throw four pitches for strikes, it isn't necessary to build off of any single one of them. It's best to use them all in an unpredictable mix, and it is by doing that that, in my opinion, we would be most likely to see Felix hit his peak.

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Great work, Jeff

This is better than the letter that Chavez gave to Felix.

by marc w on Jan 14, 2009 2:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Waka did mention on KJR this morning

that the coaching staff is looking into Felix’s pitch count issues and will attempt to teach him to use his pitch selection more appropriately. He still seems to like Felix’s fastball, but he did explicitly say he’d like to see Felix better use his “non-power stuff” more effectively.

I wish that interview was up so I could link to it, Waka had some interesting things to say.

by BrianL on Jan 14, 2009 2:52 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Had some good things to say about Ichiro and Brandon Morrow as well.

Called bullshit on the whole vocal leader aspect and said Morrow is going to get every chance to prove he’s a starter. Never said anything explicitly, but I got the vibe he wasn’t too enthused about the idea of Morrow in the bullpen.

Also didn’t want to pigeonhole Jeff Clement too much. Sounded an awful lot like what Dave’s been saying, they’re going to see if he can stick at catcher but if he can’t, they don’t want to stunt Clement’s growth with the bat.

by BrianL on Jan 14, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

On the other hand I look at this data and wonder if

Felix is throwing his fastball more in games where he knows he doesn’t have his best breaking stuff. Hitters know the curve isn’t there so they look FB, also hurting that number. We know correlation does not mean causation. We can’t be sure more fastballs lead to poorer breaking balls, or if poorer breaking balls leads to more fastballs. Of course I accept the point that the correlation is not in the direction some would assume anyway, which was the larger point of this post. Interesting numbers all the same.

by DCMariner on Jan 14, 2009 3:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Definitely possible

and worth investigating, if I find the time. But the bigger points are that (1) there’s no evident positive relationship between fastball frequency and offspeed success, and (2) when Felix throws fewer fastballs, everything works better.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 14, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Completely agree with both points.

I wasn’t trying to take away from your post, just wanted to broaden the view a bit so people don’t take a certain idea and run with it. I’m always reminded of an econ class where we were discussing the relationship between spending on police functions and the crime rate. Usually high crime areas get the most funds while low crime areas get the least. You never know who may see that correlation and demand that high crime areas have all their funds withdrawn. Thanks again for the number crunching.

by DCMariner on Jan 14, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

At first glance, comparing his July 18 start against his season totals

I don’t see anything too drastically different with the fastball or offspeed pitches themselves, in terms of movement. However, he had good fastball command against the Indians (69% strikes), so maybe he was just settling into a groove.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 14, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I feel like it would be pretty difficult to pinpoint causality.

Alot of competing variables. If you can, you’re a better man than I.

by DCMariner on Jan 14, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dont forget to factor in the game situation

If Felix is up 6-2 in the 6th, he’s likely to rely on his fastball more… rather than sweat individual at bats so much.

by johnbai on Jan 14, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When Felix has bad control he throws more fastballs.

Thats what I’d say. I bet most other pitchers have a similar trend although maybe not as extreme.

If you feel like you don’t have a good feel of things one day as a pitcher you will probably “simplify” your game by throwing more fastballs. If you are playing basketball and you aren’t feeling 100% you shoot less and look for more assists and layups. If you are playing qb in football you throw more short dumpoff passes and go deep less. Felix throws fastballs when he isn’t feeling great about his stuff. I’m not saying this is the correct explanation but I think its a valid way to look at the data.

Can you show how often the fastballs are located in the zone and how often non-fastballs are located in the zone for those two groups?

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 14, 2009 3:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I could try to do that but it would take several hours and I'm not sure how useful it would be

I think it would be better to look at the pfx_x and pfx_z movement on his pitches, although that would also take a while.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 14, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

felix is a poor cryptographer

All other issues aside, the more biased the pitch selection is towards one pitch, the easier it is for hitters to predict any pitch. This ignores lots of other issues so it probably has little to do with Felix’s success but it is mildly interesting to me that his success relative to his pitch selection is in keeping with information theory.

by two_hands on Jan 14, 2009 3:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It's been a few years since I took Game Theory

but shouldn’t it be split based on prob of success. A 50-50 split would require both pitches having an equal chance of success. A higher fastball ratio means that Felix thinks his fastball has a higher prob of success than other pitches. The actual value of the fastball compared to the curveball can be debated, but it doesn’t go against game theory if the most efficient split was not 50-50. As you note, the data above does hint that the most efficient outcome does lie closer to 50-50 than 70-30 or 60-40.

by DCMariner on Jan 14, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you are right

The best split does depend on the pitch success rates, one of the issues I ignored.

I wonder is there is glaring evidence like this for other pitchers throwing less than optimal pitch mixes…

by two_hands on Jan 14, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, is there any trend if you look at the days this has happened?

Did he get streaky using his fastball alot throughout the season?

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 14, 2009 7:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nothing really consistent in there

He was low in his first four starts, but after that it was pretty consistently up and down, bouncing around ~66%.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 14, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

cool thanks

yeah definitely nothing really there.

by Edgar for Pres on Jan 14, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

FA < 60: 3.7 P/PA, 15.1 P/IP, 101 P/GS
60 < FA < 70: 3.7 P/PA, 15.5 P/IP, 105 P/GS
FA > 70: 3.8 P/PA, 17.4 P/IP, 102 P/GS

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 14, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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