The OT, 1-14
The Rumble in Anaheim.. err... LA is over edition
ANAHEIM, Calif. -- The city of Anaheim is dropping its legal challenges to the name of the Angels.
Mayor Curt Pringle says the City Council voted unanimously Tuesday to give up its battle to restore the team's name to the Anaheim Angels. The city had argued that team owner Arte Moreno violated the city-owned stadium lease agreement when he changed the name to the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim in 2005. A California appeals court ruled against the city last month, and an Orange County Superior court jury sided with the team in 2006.
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Oh thank goodness we finally got the go ahead
by Robert on
Jan 14, 2009 10:23 AM PST
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I demand my natural rights.
Big Z is the MAN.
by Taylor H on
Jan 14, 2009 11:48 AM PST
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Who owns me, then?
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by Taylor H on
Jan 14, 2009 11:52 AM PST
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In the olden days the males would be the propety holders
So Coach likely holds your rights, while Butthol stays homes to cook and rear you.
by Robert on
Jan 14, 2009 11:55 AM PST
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I'm older than Coach is...
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by Taylor H on
Jan 14, 2009 11:58 AM PST
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As the offical LListorian
You will have to trust me on this.
by Robert on
Jan 14, 2009 11:59 AM PST
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I for one look forward to
the New York Jets Of New Jersey At Exit 16W.
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by pdb on
Jan 14, 2009 10:25 AM PST
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There was some hubbub a while back about the Nets moving to Brooklyn.
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by Taylor H on
Jan 14, 2009 10:26 AM PST
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I'd assume they'd still be the "NY" Nets though.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 10:26 AM PST
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But if they move to Brooklyn, I would think they'd be the "NY" Nets.
Not the “Brooklyn” Nets. I guess I worded that funny.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 10:31 AM PST
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You're probably right, but Brooklyn would be cooler.
by acblue on
Jan 14, 2009 11:33 AM PST
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I hope they'd be called the Brooklyn Nets.
Most of my family’s from there, and they’re still smarting about having lost the Dodgers.
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by Taylor H on
Jan 14, 2009 11:47 AM PST
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Here's my question about that - are they that much farther
from NY than the Giants? Because the Giants play in NJ, but call themselves NY.
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by Eyebrows on
Jan 14, 2009 10:31 AM PST
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And the Jets.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 10:33 AM PST
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I think their in the same sports complex (the Meadowlands), but I could be wrong.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 10:33 AM PST
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they're both sharing the meadowlands
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by abender20 on
Jan 14, 2009 10:34 AM PST
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The Meadowlands consists of three buildings.
The racetrack I can’t remember the name of, Giants Stadium, and Izod Center.
Jets and Giants play at the stadium, Nets play at Izod.
I would argue that IZod is probably slightly closer to NY, but maybe by 1/4 mile, and they’re all in the same complex, so it really doesn’t matter.
And I think that Eyebrows got the NJ Nets confused with the NY Jets. Both football teams are NY.
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by Faux on
Jan 14, 2009 10:37 AM PST
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What did I get wrong?
The Jets and Giants are NY, but the Nets are NJ. That’s what I said, right?
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by Eyebrows on
Jan 14, 2009 10:38 AM PST
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Sorry, was Thingray.
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by Faux on
Jan 14, 2009 10:40 AM PST
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I knew the Nets were in NJ,
I just meant that if they move to Brooklyn, they’ll probably adopt the “NY” name instead of “Brooklyn”.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 10:41 AM PST
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I suppose so.
The “still” in your comment was what confused people, I think.
I’d assume they’d still be the “NY” Nets though.
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by Faux on
Jan 14, 2009 10:54 AM PST
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After reading this thread I feel dazed, and slightly confused.
Formerly dpseadvr.
by Kermit. on
Jan 14, 2009 12:56 PM PST
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I think you're right.
Like I said in another post, I worded it funny.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 1:24 PM PST
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I don't think you'll see this happen again.
This is the only team I can think of that was named after a suburb.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 10:26 AM PST
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Not the same
but weren’t the A’s considering becoming the Fremont A’s if/when they ever make their move?
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by Eyebrows on
Jan 14, 2009 10:28 AM PST
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I hadn't heard that,
but I think it would be a big mistake.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 10:29 AM PST
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Also, the Anaheim Ducks.
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by Eyebrows on
Jan 14, 2009 10:28 AM PST
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That's more common with hockey though.
They tend to be okay with smaller markets.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 10:29 AM PST
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I also like when it goes the other way, like the New England Patriots, or the Golden State Warriors.
Teams that represent more than a city.
How about The Bible Belt Cowboys
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by abender20 on
Jan 14, 2009 10:33 AM PST
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Northwest Mariners.
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Kenji Johjima couldn't catch him.
by kevin_ess on
Jan 14, 2009 10:37 AM PST
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After Katrina the Saints briefly flirted with the idea of changing their name to the Gulf Coast Saints.
Fear the NPE
by thewyrm on
Jan 14, 2009 10:41 AM PST
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I'm sure in the weeks following Katrina
they could have just been the Gulf Saints
by DCMariner on
Jan 14, 2009 3:13 PM PST
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The M's already enjoy the largest sphere of influence in MLB.
Changing their name wouldn’t really make any difference as that location is already pretty firmly in Seattle’s hands. Fairbanks , AK has an affiliate that broadcasts every Mariners game for crying out loud.
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by thewyrm on
Jan 14, 2009 10:53 AM PST
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I'm not even in your country and I think I'm in Mariners territory.
MLB, of course, disagrees, and blacks out all the Jays games on MLB.tv.
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by Llewdor on
Jan 14, 2009 11:17 AM PST
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The Blue Jay players have parents who love them
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by pdb on
Jan 14, 2009 11:19 AM PST
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more so than Expo games
Canada is the great expansion market for MLB, too bad there’s only minimal interest
by JI on
Jan 14, 2009 11:19 AM PST
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I want a team in Moose Jaw NOW
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by pdb on
Jan 14, 2009 11:20 AM PST
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Huh?
Where? Vancouver? Ottawa? Quebec?
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 11:20 AM PST
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Tuktoyaktuk!
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by pdb on
Jan 14, 2009 11:21 AM PST
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all of the above plus Calgary
according to BBM circa 2060
by JI on
Jan 14, 2009 11:22 AM PST
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But like you said, minimal interest.
You can’t just name cities that have market size to support it.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 11:23 AM PST
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Your point?
Montreal has the population to support a team (and the Expos actually drew alright once they got good in the 80s). Problem is now a days there’s only minimal interest in baseball there.
by JI on
Jan 14, 2009 11:26 AM PST
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I think we're both arguing the same point here.
Canada has markets that could support major sports teams, but no interest in baseball. The same could be said for a hockey team in Mexico City.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 11:28 AM PST
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No one could pay to go to pro sporting games in Mexico City
The same is not true in Canada
by JI on
Jan 14, 2009 11:29 AM PST
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There is an economic factor, I'll give you that.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 11:36 AM PST
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Pro hockey games, perhaps
But there are ‘professional sporting games’ in Mexico.
by marc w on
Jan 14, 2009 11:41 AM PST
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I think the point is that a team in Mexico City would have trouble competing in a North American league.
They would have to charge less which would lead to lower payroll etc etc etc.
by acblue on
Jan 14, 2009 11:43 AM PST
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But they could sell 10 times as many lower priced tickets.
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by thewyrm on
Jan 14, 2009 11:44 AM PST
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Not if they built a 90k seat stadium*
*not a real idea
by Robert on
Jan 14, 2009 11:44 AM PST
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No what I mean is that I don't care how legit a soccer game is no one will pay to see it,
It could have been worded a tad bit better.
by JI on
Jan 14, 2009 11:45 AM PST
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This isn't so.
Mexico City has the eighth largest urban income in the world.
by NOLAmarinergirl on
Jan 14, 2009 11:47 AM PST
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Yeah but how is it distributed?
Something tells me the average person couldn’t afford to pay $125 bucks to take their family to the ballgame on a Saturday night.
by JI on
Jan 14, 2009 11:49 AM PST
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The average person here can't either! Not with this economy!
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 11:50 AM PST
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According to wiki
Average household spending in the city was US$52,389 in 2006, up to five times of some of the provinces and twenty percent higher then the next-highest spending region (Nuevo Leon). This level of expenditure is close to that of an average household in Italy or France.
I realize that it is, of course, not the best source, but it backs up what I remember from my studies. The point is that Mexico, DF is much wealthier than the surrounding nation, and that it’s quite possible that if baseball were popular there then a team could be supported.
by NOLAmarinergirl on
Jan 14, 2009 11:53 AM PST
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Yes there's an average but how is it distrbuted
How much is at the top, the middle etc.
If the money is in the hands of a few I doesn’t help much when you have to draw 30,000 fans and sell a cable tv package to be viable
by JI on
Jan 14, 2009 11:55 AM PST
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I want to see the curve.
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by Llewdor on
Jan 14, 2009 11:59 AM PST
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Ok, first of all there is a Mexican League baseball team in Mexico DF
Diablos Rojos de Mexico.
Second, tickets to the World Baseball Classic cost $248.
Third, my head hurts
by NOLAmarinergirl on
Jan 14, 2009 12:01 PM PST
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Found this in the wiki entry
The city’s GDP per capita is $22,696, the highest of any city in Latin America. However, this number is skewed by the small number of extremely rich households that shift the mean income upwards. The top decile of households in the entire country had a mean disposable income of US $98,517 in 2007, most of these are located in Mexico City. Their extremely high spending power makes the city attractive for luxury goods companies. The growth of luxury stores established in Mexico D.F. has been impressive since 2003, especially those dealing in luxury cars, designer clothes and expensive jewellery.
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by Eyebrows on
Jan 14, 2009 12:03 PM PST
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In some sense it doesn't matter how it's distributed
So much of attendance revenue is now tilted towards luxury boxes that if this hypothetical club could sell a decent number to the ultra-rich, they could afford to sell cheaper tickets to the hoi polloi.
Second, if construction costs are a lot lower, they’d have a lot less debt to repay.
Third, the cable TV market is probably pretty lucrative down there. Hell, there’s a decent enough market for cable packages for US sports. The first team is going to have basically all of Mexico and a decent chunk of the southern US as supporters, the way the Jays/TSN have in Canada.
All in all, I think we’ll see a US-league pro team in Mexico City at some point in my lifetime. Baseball makes by far the most sense.
by marc w on
Jan 14, 2009 1:19 PM PST
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Huh. I'll be jiggered.
I knew it was really metropolitan and had something of a chip on its shoulder, but I didn’t know it was as wealthy as it is.
by acblue on
Jan 14, 2009 11:56 AM PST
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Most of those don't, though.
Calgary is just 1 million people, with effectively no metropolitan area. Plus, with the random seasons, and altitude, and the wind, it’s a terrible place to play baseball.
Edmonton’s a better suggestion (same size, lower altitude, less wind) as long as you’re willing to risk playing games at 10°F from time to time.
Quebec isn’t that big. Ottawa isn’t that big (and neither one is as wealthy as Calgary and Edmonton, which matters).
The only good expansion targets would be Vancouver and Montreal. But Seattle should complain about Vancouver, and there’s a stigma against Montreal because baseball already failed there (though that wasn’t Montreal’s fault).
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by Llewdor on
Jan 14, 2009 11:31 AM PST
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Yeah, agreed
The part about Baseball Mogul in the distant future was a joke. Edmonton would have to play indoors.
by JI on
Jan 14, 2009 11:33 AM PST
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Retractable.
It would be a great place to play outdoors in the summer. But summer’s only reliably about 10 weeks long.
We had to genetically engineer wheat in order to grow it fast enough to avoid frost damage. It’s really fucking cold on the Canadian prairies.
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by Llewdor on
Jan 14, 2009 11:35 AM PST
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And yet they had an outdoor baseball stadium and a team in AAA
for quite some time. I wonder how many games they postponed per year…
Helps that the AAA season is shorter, of course.
by marc w on
Jan 14, 2009 11:42 AM PST
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Sure. The Edmonton Trappers.
And Calgary had a successful AAA team for years (the Calgary Cannons – a name that never made much sense), but with the wind and the thunderstorms and the like it wasn’t the best place to enjoy a game (and the altitude may well have messed up a few swings).
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by Llewdor on
Jan 14, 2009 11:53 AM PST
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Ah, the Cannons. M's affiliate through the glory years
of Edgar, Tino, Omar….
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Jan 14, 2009 1:21 PM PST
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SS Danny Tartabull. Yes, SS...
Billy Swift, Mike Campbell, Erik Hansen, Dennis Powell…
And a little Jerry Narron for good measure, even.
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Jan 14, 2009 1:43 PM PST
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And, dang...
If I couldn’t go back in time to catch even one home series in this season in Bellingham…
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by PositivePaul on
Jan 14, 2009 1:46 PM PST
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I loved seeing games in Bellingham.
Players had to use the same bathrooms as the crowd, autographs were easy to get after the games, and every seat was great. My parents took us to more games there than the Kingdome.
The cool part about asking for autographs was players were so young and new to being pros that they seemed surprised and grateful that kids wanted their autographs.
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by Jed MC on
Jan 14, 2009 2:32 PM PST
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Reminds me of Tacoma, a bit, really...
…Except by AAA you FINALLY get separate bathrooms in the locker room. Well at least the HOME team does…
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Jan 14, 2009 2:47 PM PST
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I've only been to Everett.
Other than my love of prospects, I could have passed on the experience.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 2:55 PM PST
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I haven't been to a minor league stadium since
about 1990, so I’d probably have a very different opinion of it now. I was also 7 to 12 years old when we were going to Bellingham, so I had a pretty different view of pro baseball players than I do now.
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by Jed MC on
Jan 14, 2009 3:16 PM PST
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I think the MLB is as warm weather a sport and the NHL is a cold weather.
If you look at distribution, there’s really no contest in terms of youth sports. All across the southern edge of the US is where the year round baseball leagues are, and good luck finding year round hockey programs in Arizona, for instance.
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by Faux on
Jan 14, 2009 11:22 AM PST
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There are independent leagues that operate in Canada, but there's not much interest.
I blame the team nicknames.
The Edmonton Cracker-Cats? Really?
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by Llewdor on
Jan 14, 2009 11:42 AM PST
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I know. It's funny.
I wish I didn’t know what it really meant.
The name is derived from the oil industry term “fluid catalytic cracking” (cat cracking for short), which is part of the process of refining crude oil into gasoline by converting high boiling hydrocarbons into smaller molecules.
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by Llewdor on
Jan 14, 2009 11:55 AM PST
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Funny little logo though.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 11:56 AM PST
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I like how much oil drives the local culture.
The Oilers. The Cracker Cats. Calgary’s lacrosse team is the Roughnecks.
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by Llewdor on
Jan 14, 2009 12:00 PM PST
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Better than naming them something that has nothing to do with the area I suppose.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 12:02 PM PST
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I love him and find his persistence endearing
by NOLAmarinergirl on
Jan 14, 2009 11:49 AM PST
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We'll see. Arctic.
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by Llewdor on
Jan 14, 2009 11:54 AM PST
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penguins will not be capable of launching a war against mankind until the year 3000
by JI on
Jan 14, 2009 11:56 AM PST
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It's the dolphins we need to worry about.
by acblue on
Jan 14, 2009 11:57 AM PST
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Way to respond to a reference to an awesome Futurama episode with a reference to a crappy Simpsons episode
by JI on
Jan 14, 2009 12:01 PM PST
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I think he meant the Futurama episode.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 12:08 PM PST
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I have a shiny metal ass,
and a suggestion for you.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 12:10 PM PST
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No the Day of the Dolphins section of the Treehouse of Horror is hilarious.
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Jan 14, 2009 12:12 PM PST
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It wasn't as good after season 10 but it still has its moments
and holy hell I have had this discussion about eleventy billion times too many.
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Jan 14, 2009 12:17 PM PST
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The first time I realized it had completely gone in the shitter
is when the spisode starring the Who wasn’t the least bit funny despite Roger Daltrey being a real actor.
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Jan 14, 2009 12:17 PM PST
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Agreed
Season 7 is really really good, Seasons 8 and 9 were where the show started to get wacky, but at least it was entertaining and funny. Season 10 is where the show really started to fall off, and it was done by season 11.
by JI on
Jan 14, 2009 1:14 PM PST
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When was the last time you watched seasons 7-10?
Seriously, they’re not good.
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Jan 14, 2009 1:15 PM PST
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I watched season 5-10 this weekend.
They’re very very good.
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Jan 14, 2009 1:23 PM PST
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Well, 10 is hit-or-miss.
7-9 are my favorites.
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Jan 14, 2009 1:23 PM PST
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What? Seriously?
Better than 4 and 5? That’s crazy.
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Jan 14, 2009 1:29 PM PST
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Not really.
I love seasons 2-9 pretty much equally, but most of my favorite episodes are in seasons 7-9.
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Jan 14, 2009 1:30 PM PST
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I think the peak is 4-7
With the remainder of 1-9 being quality and 10 being OK
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Jan 14, 2009 1:40 PM PST
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The Hank Scorpio episode was great.
The Rodney Dangerfield episode aired the next week (my least favorite episode ever) and it was hit or miss after that. The last episode I remember liking was where Springfield elementary was split by gender.
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by Jed MC on
Jan 14, 2009 1:26 PM PST
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There have been some pretty good episodes this season.
Treehouse of Horror was excellent.
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Jan 14, 2009 1:27 PM PST
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Jack Bauer has equal contempt for both animals
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Jan 14, 2009 12:06 PM PST
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Penguins live in the south.
That’s a huge pet peeve of mine. I hate seeing penguins on Christmas stuff.
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by Llewdor on
Jan 14, 2009 12:01 PM PST
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Because Santa Claus living at the north pole is so realistic.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 12:02 PM PST
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He can get a heater for like 10 bucks at Wal*Mart
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Yes.
Make sure he and his elves are comfortable while making and delivering billions of toys each year.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 12:07 PM PST
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Santa doesn't shop at Wal*Mart.
Somewhat surprisingly, he finds their labor practices abhorrent.
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Jan 14, 2009 12:07 PM PST
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WalMart also would provide a slave army of cheerful, pointy-eared labor
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Jan 14, 2009 12:07 PM PST
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Slavery is illegal
I’ve known of several people who have worked at Wal*Mart and all were paid. Even the guy who crapped his pants twice.
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Jan 14, 2009 12:10 PM PST
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Half of me desperately wants to hear this story,
and the other half wants to run away screaming.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 12:11 PM PST
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if half of you hears the story
do you only hear about one of the pants poopings?
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by abender20 on
Jan 14, 2009 12:30 PM PST
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They pay them in chewing tobacco.
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Kenji Johjima couldn't catch him.
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Jan 14, 2009 12:11 PM PST
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No they pay them in US dollars.
No one that I know personally who works/has worked at Wal*Mart chews chaw.
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SSS
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Well if they're working at Wal*Mrt they're not really people.
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Jan 14, 2009 12:23 PM PST
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More slaves, really.
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by Faux on
Jan 14, 2009 12:24 PM PST
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But it's an establish tradition.
Try explaining that to your kids. Santa’s at the north pole, but penguins live in Antarctica, so why the hell are they represented together so much?
Popular culture could at least try to make sense.
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by Llewdor on
Jan 14, 2009 12:17 PM PST
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I don't think kids put that much thought into it.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 12:21 PM PST
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Smart kids do.
Kids who think critically do.
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by Llewdor on
Jan 14, 2009 12:31 PM PST
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The US has failed to beat Canada in something like 8 wars
by Graham on
Jan 14, 2009 12:13 PM PST
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They beat the British in the War of 1812 so that has to count for something
by Robert on
Jan 14, 2009 12:15 PM PST
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We sing about it before every ball game
Corco gets violent when people suggest after 200 years it’s a bit played
by JI on
Jan 14, 2009 12:17 PM PST
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Corco also obnoxiously stands and salutes the flag from the middle of the concourse to make sure everyone knows how patriotic he is
by seattlebruin on
Jan 14, 2009 12:18 PM PST
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I stop when the anthem plays (and remove my hat if necessary).
I was never in the military, so I don’t salute.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 12:22 PM PST
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We're only supposed to slaute if we're in uniform.
When not, in uniform we just stand at attention. We don’t put our hand over our heart.
by coolguyrob on
Jan 14, 2009 1:05 PM PST
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If you don't make it obvious, how will the country know you love it?
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by Faux on
Jan 14, 2009 12:23 PM PST
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Valentine's day is just around the corner
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by abender20 on
Jan 14, 2009 12:39 PM PST
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Let's not get started with this
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by I'm NOT Corco on
Jan 14, 2009 12:26 PM PST
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The Canadians were the British in the War of 1812
by Graham on
Jan 14, 2009 12:26 PM PST
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Here's how I understand the War of 1812.
Britain was conscripting US sailors to fight Napoleon, and the US was pissed about that. So, they invaded Canada to use that as a bargaining chip against the British.
The invasion of Canada was a spectacular failure, with almost every major battle taking place on US territory (if the front is in your country, you’re not winning). But, the British were also unable to capture any territory from the US, despite a very successful blockade of US ports.
With Napoleon defeated, the British were able to bring their full military might to bear against the US. The Duke of Wellington was asked to take command in Canada, and he wrote, in a letter to the Prime Minister, that sending him to Canada would be a huge waste of time. As he said it, the line defined by the great lakes couldn’t be passed by either side without naval superiority on those lakes, but neither side had any chance of achieving that. He did, however, suggest that capturing New Orleans might allow the British to trade it back to the US in exchange for Maine.
Despite Wellington’s assurances, the British shipped 20,000 soldiers to Montreal, who did no good at all, because the front was simply too big for either side to do anything with.
And then they negotiated peace.
So, if the US goal was to get the British to stop conscripting their sailors, that did happen, but mostly because after Napoleon was defeated the British had no need for American sailors.
The war basically served no purpose at all save to give us something to laugh at. We’re taking about battles involving literally dozens of men with maybe 4 cannons to a side.
Canadians take far too much pride in that war (mostly for having burned down the White House).
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by Llewdor on
Jan 14, 2009 12:30 PM PST
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You left out my favorite part!
Where Andrew Jackson attacked the British after peace had been negotiated, though I suppose he’s off the hook for that one since it took the news awhile to reach him.
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by Kermit. on
Jan 14, 2009 1:06 PM PST
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That's a good part
probably the most lopsided defeat for the British.
Still, Llewdor is right, and the ‘We won the war of 1812!’ spiel only works if you leave out the parts where we lost.
by marc w on
Jan 14, 2009 1:25 PM PST
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I didn't say he was wrong.
I just like the part where we Pearl Harbored the British.
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by Kermit. on
Jan 14, 2009 1:29 PM PST
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And the same goes for Canadians.
Canadians often claim that we won the war of 1812, but we didn’t really.
Nothing came of it. It may as well have never happened (though it did neatly demonstrate that state militias weren’t an effective offensive force).
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by Llewdor on
Jan 14, 2009 1:30 PM PST
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1812 was basically a draw.
What were the others?
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by Llewdor on
Jan 14, 2009 12:16 PM PST
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A tonne of minor border wars out west.
by Graham on
Jan 14, 2009 12:27 PM PST
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We used to have land north of Montana/North Dakota :(
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by I'm NOT Corco on
Jan 14, 2009 12:29 PM PST
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But we got Maine and Washington State from you fuckers
Hell, we’ve even maintained control of Point Roberts
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by I'm NOT Corco on
Jan 14, 2009 12:29 PM PST
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I don't know why you wanted Point Roberts.
54-40 or fight didn’t really amount to much.
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by Llewdor on
Jan 14, 2009 12:32 PM PST
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Just so we can say we can have it
And to allow people the ability to live a Canadian lifestyle within American soil. Hyder Alaska is the same way but cooler
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by I'm NOT Corco on
Jan 14, 2009 12:33 PM PST
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54-40 is a pretty good band
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by Llewdor on
Jan 14, 2009 12:44 PM PST
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ALLLL RIGHT!
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by pdb on
Jan 14, 2009 12:47 PM PST
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I'm a fan of "It's Ok"
but mostly because of the bas ass cover Pearl Jam did of it years ago. It was on their live DVD “Touring Band”
by Willie Mays Haze on
Jan 14, 2009 9:05 PM PST
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You're in the wrong subthred mister.
;)
by acblue on
Jan 14, 2009 9:16 PM PST
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As having seen this in person, yes it is awesome
but it’s not as cool as the Spanish version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA-ajvoGx8Y
by JI on
Jan 14, 2009 9:20 PM PST
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I think it's cool that Eddie is down with Dead Moon and all
but I am NOT okay with him fucking with Fred’s lyrics.
by acblue on
Jan 14, 2009 9:23 PM PST
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I would hardly calling it fucking with the lyrics
He does the same thing with the lyrics to Rockin’ in the Free World and Blue, Red, and Grey
by JI on
Jan 14, 2009 9:28 PM PST
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I know but I'm really protective of Dead Moon because the world never really appreciated their genius.
by acblue on
Jan 14, 2009 9:29 PM PST
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Hey and now you have a really famous guy who loves them turning people on to their music
by JI on
Jan 14, 2009 9:30 PM PST
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if only he could do it without messing with the lyrics though
I wouldn’t want someone to show me a Mona Lisa with a mustache.
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by pdb on
Jan 14, 2009 9:32 PM PST
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I think you misunderstand
They’ve never performed the whole song, it’s just a call/response with the audience set to the music of Daughter. It’s not a full song, just a tag.
by JI on
Jan 14, 2009 9:35 PM PST
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Like anyone thinks that's not a Pearl Jam song they never recorded.
by acblue on
Jan 14, 2009 9:32 PM PST
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Well Eddie does say it's a Dead Moon song
so there’s that. Plus I absolutely love that song.
by Willie Mays Haze on
Jan 14, 2009 9:34 PM PST
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Most people don't because it's not on any of their albums and always played as part of the improv during Daughter
and on the video it’s captioned “It’s Ok by: Dead Moon”
by JI on
Jan 14, 2009 9:34 PM PST
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I know Eddie loves Dead Moon and I have actually rocked out next to him at Dead Moon shows.
It’s more ongoing frustration with the world for not making Fred and Toody rich.
by acblue on
Jan 14, 2009 9:35 PM PST
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I guess if you not a fan it may bug you
but he’s always changing lyrics to every thing his songs, Clash Songs, Neil Young songs, Pink Floyd songs, Beatles songs, Who songs, his own songs, his bandmates’ songs it’s done out of love, and it’s done to make the performances unique and unpredictable and it’s not meant to offend.
by JI on
Jan 14, 2009 9:44 PM PST
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And I enjoy this about his covers
Why do a cover if it’s going to be the exact same song that the original artist performed? Might as well put your own spin on it.
by Willie Mays Haze on
Jan 14, 2009 9:49 PM PST
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I cried every time I saw this song live.
by acblue on
Jan 14, 2009 9:26 PM PST
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That's how I feel about the PJ version
I loved how he gave the crowd a part in the chorus. I really need to see PJ live.
by Willie Mays Haze on
Jan 14, 2009 9:36 PM PST
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Pig War = win for US (eventually)
Oregon boundary fight even was somewhat of a victory for us.
by Matthew on
Jan 14, 2009 12:32 PM PST
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Yessir, they really WHOOPED YOUR HIDE
No they didn’t…Vietnam was a tie!
by waldo rojas on
Jan 14, 2009 12:32 PM PST
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Are those the only two teams that do that?
I can’t think of another one off the top of my head. Minnesota Twins?
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 10:37 AM PST
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Florida Marlins
Texas Rangers
Colorado Rockies
Arizona Diamondbacks, Cardinals
etc.
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by Faux on
Jan 14, 2009 10:39 AM PST
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States are pretty common.
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by Eyebrows on
Jan 14, 2009 10:39 AM PST
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I was thinking the Twins because they do the "TC" thing on their caps.
But I can’t think of any other teams that are named for an area, or a nickname for a state.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 10:40 AM PST
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Golden State Warriors.
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Kenji Johjima couldn't catch him.
by kevin_ess on
Jan 14, 2009 10:41 AM PST
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That's what started this subthread.
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by Eyebrows on
Jan 14, 2009 10:41 AM PST
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New England Patriots and Golden State were the two listed above.
I’m trying to figure out if there are any others.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 10:42 AM PST
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I always thought it was a city
but google seems to indicate that you are correct and I am not.
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by Eyebrows on
Jan 14, 2009 10:47 AM PST
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Tampa and St. Petersburg are cities,
but “Tampa Bay” is not.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 10:51 AM PST
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I... always thought... that dogs... laid eggs.
I… learned something…. today
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by abender20 on
Jan 14, 2009 10:53 AM PST
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And the Rays play in St. Pete.
The Buccaneers and Lightning play in Tampa.
by Teej on
Jan 14, 2009 11:23 AM PST
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I like them.
Who says your fan base is limited to that one city? So many teams don’t even play in the city their named after anyway.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 10:52 AM PST
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It seems like a weak attempt to pander to the fan base
I’m not stupid, I know if it weren’t for Boston there’d be no Patriots.
by JI on
Jan 14, 2009 10:54 AM PST
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New England is a very small geographic area though
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by pdb on
Jan 14, 2009 10:55 AM PST
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I hate it when teams aren't named after cities
by JI on
Jan 14, 2009 10:56 AM PST
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Sometimes state names just sound better with the name.
by Fin on
Jan 14, 2009 12:39 PM PST
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I think that sounds better than Denver Rockies.
by Fin on
Jan 14, 2009 12:40 PM PST
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You could call them something besides Rockies
by JI on
Jan 14, 2009 12:41 PM PST
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The Denver Dudes
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by abender20 on
Jan 14, 2009 12:45 PM PST
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They could be sponsored by McDonalds
and call themselves the Denver McNuggets.
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by pdb on
Jan 14, 2009 12:49 PM PST
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Still a very large population base.
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by Faux on
Jan 14, 2009 10:56 AM PST
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True, but they aren't all in Boston which is why they are the New England Patriots.
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by pdb on
Jan 14, 2009 10:57 AM PST
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Sorry, didn't get your point at first.
Consider me to be supporting your argument.
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by Faux on
Jan 14, 2009 10:57 AM PST
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word.
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by pdb on
Jan 14, 2009 10:57 AM PST
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It would be different if they changed their name (like the Angels),
but since they started out that way, I think it’s cool.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 10:56 AM PST
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They moved to the NFL, and moved out of Boston,
therefore they changed the name. Makes sense to me, and it’s the only name the club has had as an NFL team.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 11:00 AM PST
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well it should be the New England Jack Bauers, as he is really what patriotism means
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by abender20 on
Jan 14, 2009 10:53 AM PST
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There's at least one state level politician that advocates for this every year,
and usually a couple of hastily dropped lawsuits.
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by Faux on
Jan 14, 2009 11:01 AM PST
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Not nec that name, but turning the NY back into NJ.
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by Faux on
Jan 14, 2009 11:02 AM PST
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You mean exit 16 W right?
Because 16W is a completely different exit and leads you to Old Jersey instead.
by Matthew on
Jan 14, 2009 11:06 AM PST
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HOLY CRAP YOU'RE RIGHT
That’s why I always ended up in Kentucky when I was trying to get to the Meadowlands.
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by pdb on
Jan 14, 2009 11:07 AM PST
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I thought it was "Exit The 16 W" though...
Because Exit 16 W takes you to the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople.
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by PositivePaul on
Jan 14, 2009 11:22 AM PST
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Spacing doesn't apply in exits as there is no set precedent where exit #x leads to a different situation then # x
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by I'm NOT Corco on
Jan 14, 2009 12:00 PM PST
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This offtopic took long enough to get to the first page.
I was starting to get a little antsy.
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by Eyebrows on
Jan 14, 2009 10:30 AM PST
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Before the Bears rebuilt (and ruined) Soldier Field,
they considered moving to a suburb or starting from scratch and destroying Soldier Field.
Mayor Daley told them: The Columns of Soldier Field will remain, they are iconic. Feel free to move the football team out of Soldier Field, but then you will no longer be the Chicago Bears. You will have to be the Downer’s Grove Bears or the Naperville Bears.
They stayed, and consequently landed an Alien spacecraft in soldier field.
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Jan 14, 2009 10:31 AM PST
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That's gotta be the ugliest NFL stadium in existence.
But good for Daley. Chicago knows how to get things done.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 10:35 AM PST
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It's strange seeing the stadium the way it is, especially in the context of the other museums in the area.
Both the Field Museum and Shedd Aquarium have classic architecture, and so does the base of Soldier… I can’t understand why they did to it what they did.
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by abender20 on
Jan 14, 2009 10:46 AM PST
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You got me.
From what I’ve heard, everyone in Chicago hates it too.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 10:52 AM PST
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Arizona's new stadium is pretty hideous.
by Phildopip on
Jan 14, 2009 10:48 AM PST
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But at least it's meant to look like something indigineous to the area.
Plus the whole thing has one look, instead of looking like the crap I used to make with mixed Lego sets as a kid.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 10:53 AM PST
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It's supposed to look like a cactus
but it looks like a finished pan of Jiffy Pop.
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by pdb on
Jan 14, 2009 10:54 AM PST
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I'll give you that.
The moveable field tray is pretty cool though. I didn’t like the “Bird’s Nest” at the Olympics either.
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by Thingray on
Jan 14, 2009 10:55 AM PST
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I really did like the Bird's Nest
just because it was so completely different from anything I’d ever seen, stadium-wise. In that same vein I also like the Allianz Arena.
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by pdb on
Jan 14, 2009 10:57 AM PST
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The Birds Nest was sweet
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Looks like an ugly tire normally.
But when you see the pictures of it lit up, that’s pretty cool. The Birds Nest was amazing as far as the engineering and all of that, but as far as being nice to look at, I didn’t enjoy it.
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