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Two Recaps For The Price Of One

Before I get to anything else, there are a lot of people I'd like to thank for helping make this past weekend an absolute blast:

  • Matthew, Graham, Kirsten, Robert, John, Red, Shannon, Eric, Laura, Aaron, and Lisa, for being wonderful company and wonderful hosts. Especially Robert, who is a real person
  • Pedro Grifol, Tony Blengino, Tom McNamara, and Carmen Fusco, for being so much better and so much more informative than we ever could've hoped. Also Blengino couldn't stop reminding me of Harold Ramis
  • Jack Zduriencik, for expressing interest and helping us out, even though he had another commitment
  • Dayton Moore, for what in the hell are you doing
  • The USSM guys, for doing most of the legwork for the event
  • Those of you who talked with me on Saturday and those of you who didn't, for supporting the Mariner blogosphere and making LL what it is today

Now then, on to the talk. Derek already threw up his summary a few days ago, and it's a good one - it includes most of the goodies, and I'm not looking to repeat anything he's already published. Certainly, if you missed the Q&A, you'll want to read his post.

Rather, instead of going over every point of discussion that came up on Saturday, more than anything else I just want to reiterate something we've thought for a while, but of which I am now more confident than ever: the Seattle Mariners - our Seattle Mariners - are in good hands.

If you're afraid that we've been jumping the gun by singing the praises of this new administration, be afraid no more. Seriously. We all had our reservations about the Zduriencik front office, but after a few months of seeing them work and hearing them talk, I am convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that this is the management we've always wanted. Management that can make us good and keep us good. That was actually the unofficial theme of the whole Q&A, I think - that the people in charge have every intention of setting the Mariners up to contend for a long, long time. Those words about getting good and staying good - those aren't mine. Those are Blengino's, and he must have said them three or four times.

With one Felix-related exception that was probably more of a misunderstanding than anything, all four of those guys said all the right things all day long. They talked about BABIP. They talked about defense. They talked about Felix. They talked about Clement. They talked about rebuilding and reloading at the same time. In response to almost every single (appropriate) question, they hit a home run, and in so doing earned a few spontaneous rounds of applause and, at the end, a sustained standing ovation. Sitting up there next to these guys, it blew my mind that these were the Seattle Mariners, and that they were able to reignite my passion for a fallen ballclub with spoken word in January. The whole thing was, in a word, impressive.

Even more impressive was the dedication the four representatives showed by sticking around for four hours while declining to take a halftime intermission. Faces were getting long around 4:30 or so, both at the table and in the audience, and I think we nearly exhausted to death some of the people responsible for trying to save the franchise, but the fact that they sat around to answer fan questions for so long and then stayed afterwards to answer more and shake some hands said so much about their character. These are busy people, and all they got from the talk were four sore throats and, in Fusco's case, a few dollars' worth of recyclable plastic, but they couldn't have been better sports, and for that I can't adequately express my appreciation. While it couldn't have been easy, they sure made it seem like it was.

In all, this was an excellent event, and I'm telling you, given everything we've seen and heard out of this organization since the Zduriencik hiring, we're headed in the right direction. I'm sure of it. The front office is smart, it's getting smarter every day, and there are enough internal checks and balances that no one man will be running the ship. It's going to be a collective effort, and when you put that many intelligent and experienced people together in one place working towards a common cause, it's not easy to fail. We're going to get there. I know we're going to get there. It's only a matter of time.

Go Mariners.

(After the jump you'll find some brief commentary on the places we went to eat and drink. Feel free to skip.)

Star-divide

Uber Tavern: casual atmosphere, with easy but limited seating and an extensive tap and bottle list with good quality and diversity. Featured a Dogfish I'd never heard of before (Olde School). Wasn't hard to get the bartender's attention. Pretty good prices, to boot. Highly recommended.

Julia's on Broadway: I seem to remember getting a beer here, although I can't for the life of me remember what it was. Solid if unspectacular buffalo wings accompanied by disappointing lettuce. Lousy ventilation, although that may have been a one-time thing. Saved by pleasant and helpful service.

Stumbling Monk: quality over quantity on the beer list, and while the diversity of the selection isn't incredible, you should know from the name of the place what you're getting into. Couldn't be better at what it does. As a fan of Toronado, I love a place like this, where the customers know what they're doing and the lighting makes the place look closed from the outside until you notice that some of the shadows are moving. My favorite kind of haunt. Every city ought to have a bar like this. Note: no food.

Piecora's Pizza: as the post-Stumbling Monk destination, I know only that there was pizza and that I ate it and that I didn't see it again later which I think is pretty good all things considered.

Elysian Brewing Company: you don't need me to talk about Elysian. The Idefex is boring. Standard atmosphere and standard service for a place of its type. Not the setting for much intellectual conversation.

Collins Pub: pretty good (predominantly regional) beer selection, provided you make note of the handwritten list and ask the bartender what is and isn't available, as their printed menus become outdated in a hurry. It's hard for me to hate a place that has The Abyss on tap. A little bit pricey, but not exorbitantly so, and the selection, food, and service are worth it. If you go there, and you see Amy working the taps or the floor, give her a hug, because she's super. The owner is a total beer geek. Keep your eye out for awesome upcoming events.

Taphouse Grill: lots of beers on tap, but nothing exceptional - it's pretty much all the same stuff you can find in other places, only it costs a little more. I've been here a few times, and while it's not bad or anything, it feels kind of soulless, and ought to be better than it is. A place to drink, but not a place to spend the entire evening. Note: the ice cubes are sufficiently pointy to serve as an effective weapon capable of drawing blood.

Michou: a pleasant surprise in the Market with a broad selection of paninis and pastas, among other stuff. Patient and helpful service. Three mozzarella sticks for $1. Three mozzarella sticks for $1. Three mozzarella sticks for $1. I'm going to keep repeating this until you get in the car and drive downtown to pick up three mozzarella sticks for $1 (or a multiple of three mozzarella sticks for a corresponding multiple of $1). Loved it.

Lusty Lady: we totally should've. Who can pass up a $0.25 peep show? I've decided that the only thing more uncomfortable than seeing people walk into the Lusty Lady is seeing people walk out of the Lusty Lady.

Seattle Tap Room: I hate trying to drink beer in airports.

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More brewers need to brew sours, and more bars need to serve them. They can be overwhelming in excess (much like pretty much any other kind of quality beer, particularly strong IPAs), but on their own, they're incredibly refreshing and a great way to either begin or conclude an evening. Learn from the Duchesse. This is a market that needs to be more effectively explored.

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Especially Robert, who is a real person

It doesn’t seem possible does it?

by JI on Jan 12, 2009 9:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Elysian is probably the most mediocre brewpub in Seattle

I have never understood the appeal of that place.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 12, 2009 9:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Elbow room.

Can bring a large party in there no problem. Particularly after a show with drunk actors and even drunker audience members.

by rtang on Jan 12, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

location, decent prices, and a relatively decent changing list of speciality taps

(plus the collaboration with New Belgium).

I equate very similarly to Brouwer’s. I go there, and it seems like it should be an awesome place, but it just never is. And yet, constantly mediocre for everyone tends to win out.

by Matthew on Jan 13, 2009 12:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing that kills Brouwer's

In my book is that every time I go in there they are playing the worst music I can imagine…I mean, the place has a good vibe, a nice selection of beers, these cool old wooden booths…and yet it’s always shitty death metal on the stereo…how does that fit?

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Jan 13, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would kill to hear death metal in Brouwer's.

Whenever I go in it’s God-awful Top-40. Music to self-tan by.

by acblue on Jan 13, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It usually seems to be more metal than not to me.

But either way, it’s played at far far far far too high a volume. If I have to talk loudly to be heard by the person sitting next to me at a bar, then the music needs to come down.

by Matthew on Jan 13, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And while I don't disagree that it sounds like the music is too loud

I should find out when he’s working because I like metal way more than the music they usually play when I’m in there.

by acblue on Jan 13, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I really wish I could've come,

but I’m stuck in Texas for the most part these days. I’m happy to see/hear the positive direction the franchise is headed though, and eagerly awaiting April.

by JMKaustin on Jan 12, 2009 9:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Vis a via the Taphouse (and a few others)

I totally agree on the soulless part, but the fact that they’ve got 160+ beers (most of which are good) makes it a nice place to know about, especially if you’re going out with friends who may be learning about beer: you have an abundance of choices, and my experience has been that most of the staff (bartenders especially) know enough to help you out. The food is mediocre though, and the prices are slightly above average during the day, so it’s not a can’t-miss place. Full disclosure: my roommate works there.

I love Uber, it’s one of my favorite places, but it is TINY. I tried to bring a half-dozen people there one night and we basically jammed the place up (there were a few other folks in the bar before us).

Piecora’s is pretty damn good if you’re in the area.

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Jan 12, 2009 9:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Impressed you noticed

I had just come from coaching my 12-year-old sister’s first basketball game, and in an attempt to compensate for the fact that I’d never done it before, I figured I might as well look the part. I think it actually helped.

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Jan 12, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't think you can beat the Jolly roger for Seattle brewpubs

both in terms of atmosphere and beer. But then, I haven’t lived in Seattle for a pretty long while.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jan 12, 2009 9:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

ugh

I may have just had a bad experience the one time I went there, but that place reeked of bleach, the beer was flat, and the food was cold. I won’t be back any time soon.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jan 12, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You and me both

I was there once, in about 2000, and it was amazing.
I don’t really know why I haven’t been back, but it sounds like it’s been hit by the Circumstances.

by marc w on Jan 13, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was really impressed with that guy, the whole panel was great but he struck me.

Not right away like Carmen Fusco, now that guy can tell a story. Impeccable timing.
Blengino is the kind of guy that gets me later. He seemed to really want to take a bite at every question, I felt you could see him weighing possible answers against what he can/can’t discuss about the team- if he couldn’t find a way to provide an intelligent answer within the restrictions, only then would he take a pass. Real sharp, quick mind, very engaging.

Formerly dpseadvr.

by Kermit. on Jan 12, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He also really liked water.

There’s a reason he was the first and third member of the panel to take a break.

He also was assistant GM to Steve Philips. It’s difficult to wrap my head around trusting someone who was assistant GM to Steve Philips. Sure liked his stories though.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Jan 12, 2009 11:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fusco not Blengino, by the way

Blengino was one impressive fellow.

Well, so was the entire panel, to be honest. Really good time.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Jan 13, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

About the panel

I was extremely excited afterwards, because it felt like we got a chance to see everything that we’ve been hoping for in person. Not just the statistical side (which, obviously, is very encouraging to see), but the idea that we have a front office which should be able to use all possible tools to improve the organization.

I love that we have Blengino (and because of him Tango), but I also love that we have someone like Fusco, who seems like the kind of guy who can help us find amateur players who might otherwise slip through the cracks, or a guy like Grifol who seems like he can really relate to the players coming up through the system. I was worried that in the move to oust Bavasi (utterly deserved, of course), we might throw away a few of the good things that he did bring with him, so it was really nice to be reassured on that front.

Optimism is a powerful force, and I think it will be odd for those of us in the LL/USSM group to be among the more optimistic M’s fans out there, at least for a little while.

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Jan 12, 2009 10:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Elysian, Monk

Two of my favorite beer places. The Elysian makes a great pumpkin ale – the best I’ve ever had. We used to live two blocks from the Monk – good thing, too. Dick’s Trippel will make you sorry you were ever born in the morning. Great going down, not so hot coming back up. I have also discovered that I cannot pull my own head off, no matter how hard I try. I miss it, since we’ve moved, but we used to be regulars.

by section331 on Jan 13, 2009 12:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

It's always great when you visit our fair city Jeff

and your girlfriend was kind of awesome. Glad to have been able to help host you.

by johnbai on Jan 13, 2009 1:44 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Absolute pleasure to have you out, Jeff

And like others have alluded to, I think the appeal of the Elysian is that there’s always room available, there will at least be a couple interesting beers on tap, plus it has entirely decent food. Because these two features aren’t guaranteed at other bars, it makes the Elysian a safe choice.

by katal on Jan 13, 2009 6:02 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

It was fun having you around, Jeff

Someone might need to provide coffee to our honored guests next time, particularly in this overcaffeinated town. I was impressed that they just kept talking—they obviously love what they do and are happy to share, which was wonderful.

And agreed on the sours. I want to go back to the Stumbling Monk and have a Cascade Strong Sour Ale.

Also, you had a Black Butte Porter at Julia’s. Probably couldn’t taste it because of the smoke.

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jan 13, 2009 8:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Felix

What exactly was said about Felix? Also, bravo to all who brought this together. I live in Boston now and would have killed to be there.

by TheTank123 on Jan 13, 2009 8:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Encouraging things and some confusing things about his fastball

I don’t think the panel understood the question being asked.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 13, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The asker was trying to allude to the "open letter" regarding throwing too many fastballs

but phrased it more like, “When are you going to stop asking Felix to establish the fastball?”

The panel basically said, “Never! What are you, retarded? You don’t ask a guy with a fastball like Felix’s to stop throwing it! The whole reason his breaking and off-speed stuff is so great is that everyone has to be geared up to hit a 95 MPH heater.”

by johnbai on Jan 13, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that the confusion stemmed from the fact

that they probably think in different terms than we do about these things. I don’t think anyone has a problem with Felix establishing the fastball; I would argue that “establishing the fastball” is code for “not throwing anything but fastballs” to a lot of us, but not to the folks on the panel.

by acblue on Jan 13, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes. Felix's fastball may be his worst pitch, but it's still a damn good pitch (stuff-wise)

The problem has always been his command of it (non-existent) and his predictability in throwing it.

by Matthew on Jan 13, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Really enjoyed the panel discussion.

I would’ve stayed and chatted afterward but I brought my Dad along and he had things he needed to do.

Thanks again for making this happen.

by Omerta on Jan 13, 2009 9:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think Tom McNamara was my favorite.

After it was over I was wearing my poncho on the auditorium floor, and he came over and said to me “That thing is awesome, I should get one of those to distract the other scouts!”

Then he joked that he should wear a poncho when they select the #2 draft pick this year. Cross your fingers! :)

by camomilk on Jan 13, 2009 10:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sounds amazing...

I actually considered flying up for this thing from LA— in retrospect, I wish I had. The best sign is how both Jeff and DMZ keep stating that we are in good hands. That’s good enough for me!

For all the other Southern Californians who couldn’t make it, we get the standard 3 M’s series in Anaheim, a weekend series at Dodger Stadium (!) June 26-28, and we get to invade Jeff’s hometown of SD for a midweek series of June 16-18. Some good options for that one, as the Weds game is a night game and the Thurs game is a day game. I’ll be there!

by SankTheTank on Jan 13, 2009 11:05 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Collins Pub

One of my favorite places in Seattle. Great food, good beer selection, usually not crowded, and just really chill. It’s just a few blocks from my work building, so I stop in there for dinner frequently.

by appleshampoo on Jan 13, 2009 5:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Julia's is a meh joint with half the food and half the quality for twice the price

Unless you really want to hear Friday night jazz singers with piano, there’s not much of a reason to visit.

Glad you had fun.

by Gomez on Jan 13, 2009 8:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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