OFFTOP 1/12/09: The Fine I'll Do It Edition
by thewyrm on Jan 12, 2009 9:38 AM PST
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PrintI don't really have any topics so lets just do what we always do: Argue about music and/or movies.
Best film of 08.
Best Song of 08.
Thing you are most looking forward to in 09.
Person most in need of a junk punch.
Does anyone else have a job that finds them routinely asking themselves what the hell am I doing here?
Why don't more people like Jimmy Eat World? Did In the Middle burn them out?
EDIT: One more, anyone else have a ridiculous amount of music they had to upgrade in their iTunes library for the DRM removal/iTunes Plus upgrade? I am still downloading two days later.
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I gave it a rec.
That book is such bullshit. My first reaction when my sister was explaining it to me was “So it’s New Orleans’ own fault Katrina hit them?” To which she replied, “Well I don’t agree with everything in the book.”
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I think all self-help books should be prohibited
but this one is deserving of a special place in self-help hell.
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I tried to watch the DVD a few times.
I can’t go 5 minutes before I start puking and gouging my eyes out. Bullshit has never been so evident in such a brief period of time.
That guy has 3 other reviews, 2 of which are almost as awesome.
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1. No comment (and no it wasn’t Twilight)
2. Forever – Chris Brown
3. The year not blowing like 2008
4. No comment
5. Constantly
6. Good question, the Middle is a pretty annoying song though.
There's too many answers to those questions
so I’ll skip to the last one – I never bought a ton of iTunes music, so I only have a handful to upgrade. How do you upgrade it? Do you have to re-download it?
I will not address the Jimmy Eat World question because any answer I give will make me sound like a music snob.
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You click on the upgrade link. It will tell you how many songs you can upgrade and how much it will cost.
I spent $282 upgrading over 1000 songs.
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So you have to pay to upgrade songs you've already paid for?
yeeeeeeah, I’ll pass.
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I do not condone illegally downloading music files in any way, shape, or form
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
I do not illegally download music
If I’ve already got it I’ll stick with it, DRM and all; if I don’t have it I’ll get it through Amazon.
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But pdb, your old songs don't even have an Apple logo on them anymore.
How could you possibly listen to them again?
Answers:
1. No Country for Old Men, or The Dark Knight. I can’t decide.
2. I usually don’t have favorite songs…just favorite albums.
3. The new Star Trek movie.
4. Brett Favre
5. Not really.
6. I really really really don’t like Jimmy Eat World. And I’m going to echo pdb’s sentiment about my reasons.
Another thing: I watched Tropic Thunder last night and hated almost every second of it. Does anybody else feel that movie was overhyped?
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 9:48 AM PST reply actions
And, fuck, No Country for Old Men came out in 2007.
Okay, I’m going to then say my answers were to the question: “Favorite movies I saw in 2008” and leave it at that.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
Tropic Thunder was hysterical
why didn’t you like it? Probably the funniest movie I saw last year.
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I think I laughed maybe five times throughout the whole movie.
To me, it played it too safe. They had a chance to make a great farcical action movie, but it wasn’t clever enough to pull it off. And it wasn’t silly enough to get low-brow laughs either.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
Oh, and Tom Cruise was horrifically bad in it.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
The part when he plays Flo Rida was fantastic
I loved “a nutless monkey could do your job. No. Seriously. A nutless monkey.”
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
Now go take all the credit.
Seriously, a nutless monkey.
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I read a story about Cruise dying to play that role.
It mentioned that he’s had some awful run-ins with studio heads, and he pretty much created that character out of his hatred for them.
The thing about it though
is that it isn’t an action movie, nor is it a farce – it’s a parody of the Hollywood way of making movies and of the pompous windbags that inhabit Hollywood. The whole “don’t go full retard” speech is far and away the funniest Hollywood criticism I’ve heard in a long time.
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I definitely know I'm in the minority in this. Most critics loved it, and most people seem to love it too.
Then again, I’m the only person who didn’t like Iron Man.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
My opinion was that it was good because I watched it for free. Had I payed to see it I would have liked it a lot less.
I thought the parody trailers at the beginning was the best part.
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Agreed.
The Simple Jack preview was hilarious. As was Satan’s Alley.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
I watched the first 30 minutes of Tropic Thunder and turned it off.
Maybe I will give it another try, but I didn’t find it hilarious either.
Answers:
Movie: the Dark Knight
Song: Decode by Paramore
Looking forward to: new albums by U2 and hopefully Muse
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I could tell from a few offtops in the past that Jimmy Eat World is polarizing.
Personally, I love them. I think a lot of people disregard them because of the “emo” stigma and because for an entire summer you couldn’t go more than three songs without hearing In the Middle. I think a lot of people would like them if they just gave them a chance but whatever. Their latest album Chase This Light was fantastic.
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I continue to insist that Chase This Light was a slight disappointment to me because Futures was my second favorite album to come out in college
only slightly behind Yellowcard – Ocean Avenue
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Futures was fantastic. It was a very dark album though so I can't just throw it anytime. I have to be in a Futures mood so to speak.
Chase This Light is great anytime.
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Interestingly, I feel the exact opposite about Chase This Light
I have to be in the right (slightly emo, but not Death Cab) mood for that album and I love Futures almost endlessly.
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Aww SB, I was totally in love with you
but you had to go and badmouth Death Cab. It hurts.
And yes, I know they probably aren’t popular around these parts. Oh well.
the other angels fan
My wife was friends with Nick Harmer in high school...
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by PositivePaul on Jan 12, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking of Death Cab
Zooey Deschanel (swoon!) just got engaged to that wanker, Ben Gibbard.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
And a great guy.
They get no love – from people like me, honestly – but they’re still cool in my book.
I know and it breaks my heart
not so much because I could have ever married Zooey Deschanel but because it means that being a stupid wanky beardo can be rewarding. Which is not right.
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It's just a phase Zooey will grow out of.
They’ll divorce within 2 years and she’ll hook up with a Brad Pitt or a Matthew McConaughey. An obvious example is Angelina Jolie having married Billy Bob Thornton. Although, Pamela Anderson never really grew out of that phase.
Death Cab is great
I just need to be in the right mood for them! J.E.W. Futures is great all the time
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
I liked "Get it Faster".
Everything else can go jump off a bridge.
And if you think you had it bad listening to The Middle, every single radio station played it here every half hour, due to them being “Jersey Boys” (They also did this with Fountains of Wayne)
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Stacy's Mom drove me crazy
because I was already (and still am) a huge FoW fan. In fact, I heard Stacy’s Mom a few days early due to a store selling the CD before the release date, and thought it was a good song at that time.
The repeated play of the song has totally killed it for me, and it gets skipped every time I play the album.
the other angels fan
In my opinion their best song is If You Don't, Don't
I would even say it has to be amongst my five favorite songs of all time.
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They made their name in Jersey, playing firehouses.
Every single person I’ve ever talked to around here considers them a “Jersey band”.
I will, however, use this as a bludgeon against them in future conversations.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
Well in the first song off of Chase This Light the lead singer does proclaim he is a "New Jersey success story."
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This dates back to when they had their first big hit.
And earlier, because they were pretty huge in the small club circuit. I can’t think of a fire show they did out here that wasn’t sold out.
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I once almost flew to Seattle because Jimmy was opening for Green Day at the Tacoma Dome.
Had I gone, I probably would not have stayed for Green Day.
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Green Day put on a good show usually
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I saw them at the Crocodile in Seattle
it’s my one “I saw them before they were big” story – right after their first two Lookout! records, and before they were anybody, they opened for Best Kissers In The World in front of a crowd of about 8 people, and blew them away. They’re nothing original, or unique, but they do what they do pretty dang well.
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Best Kissers in the World were kind of bad.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
they were reasonably decent live powerpop, though.
But to their credit, after Green Day finished their set, they came out and the first thing that Gerald Collier said was “Uh, we can’t really follow that!” which was funny.
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Yeah, I like the Lemons pretty well.
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Ha! The Lemons
I used to see them all the time. (I assume we’re talking about the same band)
Nabil Ayers, who went on to start Sonic Boom, was their replacement guitarist for a while, after his other T-town band, Spontaneous Funk Whorehouse broke up.
I saw BKITW once – the night before I took the SAT. They played with a bunch of great local bands somewhere in downtown tacoma… damn, wish I could remember who headlined.
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I only saw about 3 movies in the theater last year. I’ll say Dark Knight.
I abstain on best song, since I wasn’t paying much attention the last 12 months or so.
I am looking most forward to huge change.
I’m a lover, not a junk puncher.
I don’t know if I’ve ever heard Jimmy Eat World. Sorry.
Odd comment for the Secret's product descrtption.
The Secret that utterly transformed the lives of every person who ever knew it… Plato, Newton, Carnegie, Beethoven, Shakespeare, Einstein. Now YOU will know The Secret. And it can change your life forever.
What? Beethoven had an unbelievably miserable life.
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It didn't say it transformed it for the better.
Man do I love midgets.
Newton used the Secret to bring about the plague;
Einstein, the atomic bomb; and for Plato, the death of his mentor.
And here I was planning to use it to get a Pinarello Prince
I need to think bigger, obviously.
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That was insane.
Kind of like the Washington/Cal game on Saturday.
Man do I love midgets.
Yeah, I was a little peeved by that.
Not that it mattered, but the Chargers were flagged for celebrating and flagged for a late hit, and I saw the Steelers do both of those things to essentially the same degree, and nothing.
Teen texts 14,528 times in one month, dies of starvation.
Big Z is the MAN.
by .Taylor on Jan 12, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
The average number of monthly texts for a 13- to 17-year-old teen is 1,742, according to a Nielsen study of cellphone usage.
What. The. Fuck.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
that's about 60 texts a day
do teenagers never speak out loud any more?
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I avoid it at all costs, but I have always hated talking on the phone.
Texting has been a blessing for me.
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I held out for a long time, but people insisted on it, so I changed with the world.
But I flatly refused to ever answer a text message until I got a phone with a QWERTY pad.
It's not that much
Considering its 30 back and forth and some phones will split longer messages into 2. Not only that but it also counts CC messages sent to multiple people individually
I have only seen my 15yo niece make about five actual phone calls ever.
She is however constantly sending texts and IM’s via her iPhone.
Why the hell does a 15 year old have an iPhone?
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
because parents are too goddamned indulgent of their little princes/princesses
but don’t get me started.
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then I wasn't talking about your niece.
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Well, I do think my Bro and her Mother try to outdo each other with gifts.
It is a sad by product of children of divorce.
They aren't that expensive.
Especially since buying her a phone and an iPod would be just as spendy.
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why a kid of 15 needs more than a basic free phone I will never understand
free phone + off-brand mp3 player = good enough goddamit.
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you're also not 15 years old and you make good money
if I had a 15 yo kid and they wanted an iPhone, I’d say “fine, you want one, go earn the money to buy one”.
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Why a 15yo needs a cell phone is beyond me.
Man do I love midgets.
15 years old is about the right age, I think.
They’re starting to drive. That should be reason enough.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
I did just fine at 15, 16, 17, 18 without a cell phone.
Although I will say that it was easier to find a working pay phone in those days. But still.
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Heck.
I didn’t have my first cell phone until I was about 23 (provided by my employer), then I went from about 26 until 30 without one again.
Man do I love midgets.
My uncle didn't have internet access until he was 48.
I don’t think you can judge modern times by historical circumstances.
I still have plenty of friends who don't have cell phones.
They do just fine.
Man do I love midgets.
Maybe, but I it's insanely easier to keep in touch with your friends and family if you have one
unless you spend 14 waking hours a day at home.
I can still remeber getting porn off of BBS at 1200 baud before the WWW.
. . . (sigh) good times.
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That's the problem.
Society has been convinced that cell phones are “necessary” rather than a luxury. Now people think that kids need phones as soon as they can talk.
Man do I love midgets.
Every necessity was a luxury at some point
by Robert on Jan 12, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Cell phones are not a necessity.
Unless you need them for business.
Man do I love midgets.
Your car is not a necessity
Your house is not a necessity
It’s a really dumb standard to judge things by.
My cell is cheaper than a land line. I don't see why that is a luxury.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jan 12, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Mine is at $50
but that’s because I have a dataplan on mine.
…thank God work is paying for this.
supposedly they might drop the price
YES YES YES YES YES
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 12, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
I am angry Apple and AT&T re-upped their exclusive contract for an additional three years.
I was looking forward to competition to drive the data plans down. I have the first gen iPhone and I love it so much I won’t ever go back to a regular cell phone, but I will probably upgrade to the 3G version when my contract is up in August.
It makes sense for apple
There aren’t any other viable GSM providers in the states for at least another 3 years till Verzion switches over.
I want Verizon so bad.
They were a great provider for me before going to the iPhone. Never had any problems with reception and dropped calls.
Verizon almost screwed me once.
But other than that I’ve been with them for 8 years and they’ve been mostly great.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
I'm a big fan of Verizon Wireless
they have the best reception of any company I’ve ever dealt with, and in the nearly 7 years I’ve been with them I’ve had exactly three dropped calls.
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I just had my first dropped call about one month ago.
I was so puzzled because it had never happened before.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
I love Verizon
I would never leave them, even though they’re a bit pricey and their phone selection sucks. After having to deal with AT&T’s coverage in LA for a year, I’ve found that Verizon is more than worth the extra $5 a month or whatever it is I pay for them. I get a 20% discount through work anyway so…
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
Little pricey and small phone selection is correct.
But their service has been impeccable as long as I’ve been with them.
Man do I love midgets.
Anything is better than my first carrier.
Fuck T-Mobile.
I'd want my kid to have a phone
but they don’t need bells or whistles. A phone that calls and texts is fine.
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Which can be hard to find.
last time I was in the States I needed to pick up a cell phone for the time that I was there. I told the guy I just wanted to make phone calls and text, no camera, no internet etc. Dude looked at me like I had 9 heads.
Next time you're back
just go to any Verizon store and ask for their most basic free phone. They’ll never try to convince you to get one because they get no commission on them, but they do have them if you ask.
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This is exactly what I ended up doing.
Plus once she found out I was military she gave me 100 minutes free. Thanks!
This is incorrect
Commission has nothing to do with the phone and everything to do with the added services. And its gotten to the point where every phone offered can perform at pretty much a equal level.
My boys have something like "Go" phones, with a certain amount of pre-paid minutes on them.
For use in emergencies only. The 18 year old is allowed to add minutes to his phone, but if it’s ever empty when we call, the phone will be taken away and he can get his own plan and pay for it himself. The 15 year-old has had 30 minutes pre-paid on his phone for about 6 months, and he still has minutes left.
Man do I love midgets.
This is true.
But you can never exceed your minutes, and it encourages the older boy to get his own damn phone.
Man do I love midgets.
Ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-changes!
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by .Taylor on Jan 12, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Damn spoiled kids can just stay the hell off my lawn.
Man do I love midgets.
I think in this day and age 14+ needs a phone
I regret not having a phone while I was in high school, and I couldn’t live without mine for more than like 12 hours
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
After I started driving and got my first job in high school
my parents decided to get me a cell phone. No regrets from anyone over that.
Personally I think 14 is a bit too early. I’d go with 16-17 or whenever someone starts transporting themselves places.
You can still call from wherever you're going.
That’s what I used to do when I was a teenager.
Man do I love midgets.
As someone who was hit twice as a teen, I was damn pleased that I had a cell.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jan 12, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah. I would never let my kids leave the house without me if they didn't have a phone.
I think around the age they begin sleeping over at friends’ houses is when it is time for a phone.
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My God.
How did we survive growing up?!? No bike helmets, no cell phones, no portable video games! The horror!!!
If you were hit by a car, I would hope someone called 911 (and your parents) for you. THis is what always happened when we had accidents when we were younger.
Man do I love midgets.
This is why I hate society today
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Weren't you just charging people money to help them out of ditches?
by Teej on Jan 12, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Only tourists
I’d gladly call 911 for them for free though
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Now that we have cell phones, why count on that when you can guarantee being able to call from your phone?
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
If I get run over by a bus, who says I'm going to be able to grab my cell phone and make a call?
Or who says my cell phone isn’t destroyed in the accident? What next, do we make our kids where helmets when they walk to school?
Man do I love midgets.
I almost bet this happens in our lifetimes
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People got by fine without cell phones, sure.
But now that we have them and they’re fairly cheap, why not? When I was a teenager I still had to call my parents; once I had a cell phone, I could just step outside and call rather than having to find stop what I was doing, find a payphone, make sure I had change, etc etc etc.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
98% of adults carry credit cards.
Should we start hooking our kids up with them when they turn 10?
Man do I love midgets.
You never know, there might be an emergency where they need to buy something.
Man do I love midgets.
A lot of kids I know had credit cards in middle or high school for emergencies only
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
My little sister has one
They never gave me one though :(
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What kind of emergeny can you have going to school and back that requires a credit card?
Shoot me now. Please.
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Breakdown requiring a tow truck or some bullshit like that I think is my parents justification
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I'm talking about high school or middle school.
Man do I love midgets.
That is my parents justification for giving my high school little sister a credit card for emergencies on that horribly dangerous 6 mile commute she drives
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I hate my parents
I never got my own credit card
They pay for her gas too. And sent her to Japan last summer. When I was 16 I washed dishes at a summer camp. She went on some bullshit leadership tour to Japan
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Umm... No job?
Therefore no way to pay the credit card bill?
Man do I love midgets.
I know parents who pay their 22 year old kids' credit card bills. Why not 15 year olds
and for 10 year olds if they abuse it, just take it away
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
But I do.
It’s all about trust and teaching children the importance of credit and money management. Also so they have a way to make emergency purchases.
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by thewyrm on Jan 12, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There was not once in my life before I was 18 that I had to make an "emergency purchase".
Anything I needed could wait until my parents could show up (and use their own credit card if necessary). Name me one thing so urgent that a 14yo needs to purchase that it can’t wait for their parents.
Man do I love midgets.
Where were you when I was a teenager?
Man do I love midgets.
picking my mom up from her day shifts at the strip club, probably
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Giving a kid a Visa card is not how you teach money management.
This is called “allowance” or a “job”.
Man do I love midgets.
My children will almost certainly live in a cashless society.
Making the argument a little silly.
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My parents didn't even bother handing me cash as an allowance
they just kept a running tally of how much allowance I had saved up and let me use it as a debit card when we were out.
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
At the same time, allowing them to charge purchases that others will pay back
as also a moderately silly argument to make for “teaching people smart money management.”
Money is money
You have to teach the kid the value of the dollar the hard way before giving him any forms of money to go throw around all willy-nilly
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I think giving cell phones to young teenagers screws their development
Block text messaging from people under 18 and then we’re talking
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Are you computer dependent?
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I think we're too dependent on technology and we're raising a bunch of pussies
but some things have made life better and cell phones are one of them.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
There are some drawbacks to cell phones, sure
but I agree with you. The pros far outweigh the cons.
YES
YES YES YES
If I could go back 30 years the first thing I would do is assassinate everyone who helped create the internet
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I don't think we agree on this at all.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
I've considered becoming Amish
I think today’s technology has made us all (myself included) a bunch of paranoid pussies with too much access to information
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Ass-beards?
Yuck.
Assa-Beards?
Yuck.
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by PositivePaul on Jan 12, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
I can remove this little bit of the internet from your personal life should you so chose
by Graham MacAree on Jan 12, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
It's too late now
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The damage is done
Eliminating the internet from myself is bad if the rest of society needs it- I just don’t think it should exist at all
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The sheer wealth of information available to everyone thanks to the internet
is wonderful. I’m an idealist. I think that if something exists that can easily spread knowledge to billions of people it should be commended.
Jeez. No kidding.
I mean, heck – remember when parents used to freak out about their kids running up $300 long-distance phone bills?
Kids are going to be kids and do kid things. The fact that I don’t have to worry about my future teenager running up a $300 phone bill too much is OK by me…
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by PositivePaul on Jan 12, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
My first phone bill in college was $279
that sobered me up right quick.
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I think this is going too far--the other houses would have phones.
I’m just saying that as long as I was driving, particularly on backroads, I was glad I had a phone. Otherwise it’s unlikely I would have had as much freedom.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jan 12, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe kids these days have too much freedom then.
Man do I love midgets.
That's just not true
It’s almost considered child abuse these days to kick your kid out on the street all day and tell him to play outside
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There's no way this is true.
We spent 20 years as a society freaking the fuck out about stranger danger and gangs and blah blah blah; if nothing else, cell phones have allowed teenagers to regain some of the freedom they lost when we entered a 24 hour news cycle.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
You're kidding right?
My boys had plenty of freedom, as did my little brother who is thirteen years younger than I am. In fact, they had more freedom than I did, and more freedom then my parents or their parents.
Man do I love midgets.
I'm not at all kidding.
My cousins weren’t allowed to play in their front yard until they were 14. I had friends that weren’t allowed to stay out past 10:00 on the weekends (in OLYMPIA WASHINGTON) because their parents were worried about gangs. The vast majority of parents are ridiculously paranoid.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
That's why I keep Silas in the bubble.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
If you live in a craptatsic neighborhood, this is probably more of an issue.
However, a cell phone isn’t going to protect you from a drive-by, and a credit card makes you more likely to get robbed.
Man do I love midgets.
Most kids I knew that grew up in bad neighborhoods had more freedom
because their parents lived in the neighborhoods that boring white people are scared of and realized that it wasn’t a war zone.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
I wasn't allowed to stay home by myself till I was 12
And allowed to skip family vacations till I was 18.
Once I had a real job,
I could skip vacations.
Man do I love midgets.
Still not always allowed to stay in a home by yourself, are you?
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jan 12, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
I'm still not allowed to skip family vacations
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The fact that I was allowed to drive to my best friend's house
on backroads rather than the long way around was not too much freedom.
I think you are trying too hard to argue a point here. While I agree to an extent that society is overdependent on being ‘plugged in’, this argument is getting a bit ridiculous.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jan 12, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
I think the argument comes down to convenience versus necessity
and I think most of the younger members of this community would argue on the side of convenience. Yeah, we’d survive without our phones, but since they’re cheap and easily obtained, why the hell not? Same with getting a credit card at 15 or whatever. Don’t need it, but it’s nice to have just in case, to have that security of knowing if you need to buy something that you have the means to do so.
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
I kinda agree with thingray somewhat
I’m all for kids having cell phones – if I had a kid, they’d have one. But a credit card? No. There’s no way a 15 year old kid “needs” to buy something that he can’t talk to his parents about first.
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My boys have cell phones.
They do not have the freedom to send 400 texts per day on them, nor are they to be used for calling their buddies. They are only for contacting us when necessary.
If they want to socialize on a cell phone, they can get a job and get their own.
Man do I love midgets.
Hell, I wish to God my parents had given me a credit card at 15.
Then when I was on my own at age 17 finance and money wouldn’t have been such a steep learning curve. My credit is still suffering from poor decisions I made back then.
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But remember in typical cases the parents names are on the card
and they are paying the bill – it doesn’t help you learn to manage money if you’re not the one paying in the end
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
I have said nothing about credit cards.
I find them ridiculous and easy to abuse.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jan 12, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
Now that I'm paying for textbooks out of pocket
it would be nice, but I’m getting by.
A clutch going out was my introduction to how helpful a credit card can be.
You just have to have a sense of responsibility that some people appear to lack.
My point is that I never "had" to buy something at 15.
Anything that was a necessity my parents would pay for. The things I “wanted” did not require a credit card, and were not an emergency.
Man do I love midgets.
Same boat for me.
My junior year in high school I got rear-ended on my way to work. The accident really screwed up my neck and left me in no condition to drive. To make matters worse I was on the shoulder of 405 between Mill Creek and Bothell.
The cell phone let me call my dad, who drove with my brother to come pick me and my truck up.
In that situation, it’s a piece of security to both myself and my family. I’d only been driving for about two months at that point, so I imagine that if I didn’t have it I probably would have been panicking.
I'm assuming the police showed up as well. They would have contacted your family for you.
Man do I love midgets.
No police.
The asshat that hit me wrote down his insurance number, left it with me, and took off.
That's completely illegal
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Yes it is.
Doesn’t change the fact that it happened and I was on my own, though.
no it doesn't
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Generally in an accident of this severity,
the police show up on their own.
Man do I love midgets.
But without a phone he is at the mercy of someone else stopping to use their phone to contact the authorites.
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Call me a misanthrope
but I’d just assume take control of a situation like that myself rather than throw myself at the mercy of those around me.
I understand this.
I still don’t think it’s a reason to start kids on cell phones and credit cards at 10.
Man do I love midgets.
My policy as a parent somewhere down the line
will be that my kid gets a cell phone the minute they stop taking the Freshman Limo to and from school.
Bottom line: Anything, no matter how small, that can help my kids stay safe is worth having.
Fear the NPE
I would hope there are qualifiers to this statement.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Some things that may make your kids stay safer
could also turn them into giant wimps and incapable of taking care of themselves as adults. The world isn’t always safe and kids need to learn that eventually. Sometimes that requires being in situations that are a little risky.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
You guys are obviously missing the part where I have common sense.
And if letting my child have a cell phone so they can communicate with me 24/7 makes them a wimp, so be it.
Fear the NPE
antibacterial soap should be illegal.
And I’m not kidding.
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by pdb on Jan 12, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Totally agreed
My older sister had a kid 6 months ago. WE STILL HAVE TO SANITIZE OUR HANDS BEFORE TOUCHING HER BECAUSE SHE’S AFRAID WE’LL GET THE KID SICK.
The kid isn’t going to have a fucking immune system
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I agree with this.
We don’t use it in my house.
Man do I love midgets.
I agree wholeheartedly.
I refuse to even use it, which sometimes requires scalding the hell out of my hands.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
I think there's a line there though
It’s healthy for kids to find themselves in binds occassionally and have to problem solve for themselves though
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I think kids will have plenty of chances to get into binds
even if they have cell phones.
Like the bind they end up in when they use too many minutes,
and you are about to kick their ass?
Man do I love midgets.
Or the DOT cameras picking up the accident,
and sending the WSP or DOT.
Man do I love midgets.
Ironically my parents gave me a phone when I started driving to Boise from McCall
The strange part about this is that there’s virtually no phone service from Boise to McCall
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I rather text than talk.
It keeps convos short and sweet, isn’t rude to do around other people in most situations and allows me to keep track of past correspondences.
I find it incredibly rude when I go somewhere with a group
and no one is talking because everyone is on their damn phone sending texts.
When I take a call I always leave the room.
People who do not know how to do this are the same as people who sit there and text all the time.
I hate hate hate talking on my phone in front of people
And I make so much of a point to leave the room that I’ve had people accuse me of talking about them behind their backs
But if you're hanging with a group of people, and constantly leave the room,
that’s being very rude as well. What people need to do is learn to ignore phone calls and texts, or turn off their phone occasionally.
Man do I love midgets.
THIS
Oh my god I can’t believe people that refuse to turn off their phones. Unless you’re a doctor on call or a transplant patient waiting for a kidney, you can turn off your phone for an hour and the world will still spin just fine.
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I have to have my phone on 24/7, and there are some calls I could get fired for not taking.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
Work related 24/7 phoning is exempt from my scorn
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I don't turn my phone off because who the hell calls you unless they really need you past midnight on a work night?
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
If it's that big of an emergency, call 911.
Man do I love midgets.
Now you are just being a little ridiculous.
Sometimes people NEED to know things. Do you wanna miss a birth? A loved one in the hospital?
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I just wonder how people ever managed to find out about these things before cell phones
and why didn’t that way work?
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It worked just fine.
Home phones and answering machines, or home phones and call-back-when-someone’s-home, worked like a charm.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
Sometimes I wonder how people managed to evaluate baseball players before tRA and UZR.
Didn’t ERA and fielding percentage work?
by BrianL on Jan 12, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I hate this line of argument.
How did people get around before cars? They rode horses. They got where they were going, didn’t they? How did people deal with the pain of surgery before local anesthetic? They drank whiskey. They got through the amputation didn’t they?
I don’t deny that some technology has made the world worse, but I don’t see how anyone can argue that cell phones are in that category. I wish people would use them differently than they do sometimes, but I have been in so many situations that would have sucked ass before cell-phones it’s not even funny. If you want to go live off the grid out in the middle of the desert and eat varmints, fine, more power to you. As long as I don’t have to listen to your logical fallacies anymore, feel free.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It made sense to me, as long as 'your' is general and not directed at one person.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jan 12, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
I see your point.
If we replace land lines entirely with cell phones, then children need cell phones.
But there is a certain level of ettiquette that should be observed with any device. If you were throwing a dinner party and your home phone rang (back in the old-timey days), would you pick it up and have a long, loud conversation, or would you politely tell the person that you will have to call them back because you;re entertaining?
Man do I love midgets.
As I said, I mostly agree with your point.
I think it’s rude to answer a phone in a restaurant or other such situation. I believe if you’re in a group and not expecting a call either from someone who will be joining you or from a very specific source, you shouldn’t answer your phone.
But to carry it so far that people don’t need phones, or kids don’t need phones, that’s just being a bit of a devil’s advocate.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jan 12, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
If you have a landline,
I don’t believe children need cell phones. The only reason my 15yo has one is because he is in marching band, and travels out of state, or far away, and sometimes he has to call us to pick him up when they get back late at night (when the school is closed).
Man do I love midgets.
In another 5 years it probably won't be an option.
Doesn’t mean I have to agree with it though.
Man do I love midgets.
Fuck off
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Don't be mean unless you're Graham, dumbass.
by Graham MacAree on Jan 12, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
sorry
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Again, call my home phone.
My family knows the number. If there is a baby expected, I’ll leave my phone on (of course).
Man do I love midgets.
And again, not everyone has a home phone.
I don’t.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
I know very few people under the age of 25 who have home phones
we don’t have one in our house and never thought about.
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Then leaving it on for emergencies makes sense.
But you can silence it when it’s appropriate.
Man do I love midgets.
but we do possess a corded phone in case of power outages
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
I've got a landline at my place
but only because work is footing the bill. It makes sure they have multiple ways to get a hold of me at 2 in the morning.
If I wasn’t working for this office, I probably wouldn’t have a land line.
Does VOIP count?
I surrendered my land line to Comcast…
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jan 12, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Name one that can't.
Man do I love midgets.
Again,
if you’re that far away, what are you going to do? Whoever knows your sewer line is broken can call a plumber.
Man do I love midgets.
So people shouldn't be made aware of emergencies then
by Jeff Sullivan on Jan 12, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Just wait til we evolve and develop telepathy
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Wait until we can plug our brains directly into a world wide wi-fi.
I’m seriously thinking about trademarking the phrase “Brain Blogging.”
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wait, what?
Your question was “name one emergency that can’t be solved by dialing 911”.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
You haven't made one logical argument why cell phones are bad
People are bad, not the technology.
by JI on Jan 12, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
I never said cell phones are bad.
I said they aren’t a necessity for most people, and that I don’t think children “need” them.
Man do I love midgets.
I think there are different definitions of need.
Yes, you don’t “need” a cell phone to live, but I think you could justify using “need” in certain situations, and for some families I think it would apply.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
If you're that far away from your dog,
what are you going to do about it? And whoever is calling you can (should) take them to the vet.
Man do I love midgets.
Have you ever been a college student?
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No, what's that like?
As if I cared what time people called me when I was in college?
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t turn my phone off because who the hell calls you unless they really need you past midnight on a work night?
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
People who forget what time zones are
by Graham MacAree on Jan 12, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
I went to school and work in the same time zone I grew up in, like the vast majority of my friends
and it wasn’t the stupid friends who got jobs in different time zones
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
If you have friends/family in a very different (like, oh, 8 hours) time zone
this is important. Still, these people call my land line, which is why I desperately want to destroy my corded phones and rip the phone jacks out of the wall. Or cancel the service, one of the two.
And I often turn off my cell phone at night because of the scourge that is drunk-texting. Even with the sound off, the little alert light thing makes it look like a UFO is landing in my kitchen if the entire house is dark.
I guarantee you your phone will in fact turn off
press and hold the red button for a few seconds and off goes the phone.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
I thought this was odd as well.
Man do I love midgets.
And I guarantee you are wrong.
Holding the little red button just turns off the phone radio. The phone itself can not be turned off without removing the battery.
See the only phones I've ever owned
are Blackberries, ITC 8000 series smartphones, and iPhones.
In my career I am on the job 24/7
I had to leave the room at the USSM/LL meeting on Saturday because a client called. Either your friends understand who you are and what you do or they don’t.
My issue is that people are losing the ability to be present with the people they happen to be with at any given time.
If there is a work issue this is fine.
But when cell phones are going off during funerals, there is a problem with society.
Man do I love midgets.
Regarding the last sentence,
I do worry about that. I try not to, but even when I have guests over, it’s hard not to check the laptop every few minutes to check for e-mail.
These are usually pretty close friends who are just there to watch a game or something, so it’s not like they need my attention, but it’s still something I’m conscious of. I fear becoming addicted to technology sometimes.
But then again, I always find that once I turn off the computer/phone, I’m not anxious or anything. I should probably do it more often.
I have my phone on 24/7 and don't have that problem
If I am company at someone’s house, I’m not going to respond to a text or a call unless really important, and I’m not going to the the phone/computer to start a conversation with someone else.
It all comes down to being a prick/not a prick and technology has little to do with it.
Rude people are rude people.
Take away their cell phones and they’ll probably just fart at the table.
Man do I love midgets.
My comment is not directed at you or technology.
It is more in regards to how people do not interact on a personal level as much as they used to.
Available technology may play a role in that, but it is not solely to blame. If you are not seeing this in your personal life you are lucky.
My cell phone is usually turned off as soon as both my fiancee and I are home (unless we have plans with someone that night).
Man do I love midgets.
This makes sense.
I have a landline still, so people can reach me in emergencies, even if my cell is off.
Man do I love midgets.
Plus in my business I'm on call 24/7 so I absolutely have to be reachable.
No excuses. Well other than an emergency of my own I guess.
So for you 24/7 access is necessary.
For most people it isn’t.
Man do I love midgets.
Oh I totally realize that I'm way in the minority.
And agree with you. It kills that I can be out on a date and I have to have my crackberry right there with me and I can’t shut it off.
If I'm just hanging at the bar on a Friday it doesn't bother me.
But if we’re out at dinner with friends or something, I silence my phone and just check it after dinner is over.
Man do I love midgets.
Why interrupt your dinner?
Man do I love midgets.
It might be important. Same reason I keep my phone on silent in the movie theatre.
I have a policy with everyone who knows me. Call me twice in rapid succession if it is urgent.
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I wish people would leave messages.
Or call, and if I don’t answer, text. But if you call and don’t leave a message, I’m under no obligation to return your call.
I just toss my cell on those kinds of things.
Typically (especially with jobs), I want the person calling to be able to reach me whether or not I’m at home. If I’m out, I can always tell them “you know, this isn’t a great time for me, can we arrange another time to speak more in detail.”
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
I used to do the same thing when I was working at Mills Music.
It’s a nice touch for a customer. You’re pretty much saying that “Even if I’m not on the sales floor, I want to be able to help you out. Here’s my cell number so you’re guaranteed to talk to me directly.”
Call my home phone.
If you don’t know my home number, you’re probably not anyone I want to talk to anyway.
Man do I love midgets.
Yup. Telemarketers and work.
I ignore both. When my land line rings, I answer it maybe 10% of the time. Leave a message or leave me the fuck alone.
I get very few of these.
It almost seems like that “no call” list worked.
Man do I love midgets.
I hate to give it credit.
But it seems like that’s when most the calls stopped.
Man do I love midgets.
I'm not much of a phone user, so I leave it on. No one calls me anyway, so it's not like I get flooded.
The laptop is another story, though.
I agree with you here.
I walk out of the room/office whenever I get a call on my cell phone. Privacy is a little bit of it, but mostly I just don’t want to annoy people. It bothers me when people do it, so I try to do my part.
Also, since cell phones don’t give you the voice feedback that a land line does, people apparently don’t realize that they’re screaming into the phone.
Yeah, but leaving people at a table to take a long phone call is rude too
I think that if the texting is done discreetly, I’m fine
Trump this...
When interviewing a candidate for a role in our team recently, my manager took a call during the interview. Didn’t even apologise either.
How am I supposed to just gloss over that and ask another question?
W1 L2 (.333)
Coming to a baseball stadium near you this June
I'm completely uncomfortable talking on the phone in a room full of people
It amazes me that there are people totally comfortable with it
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I'm able to text without missing a beat or even looking at the phone.
Just like anything, texting can be discrete or incredibly obnoxious and it all depends on the individuals.
by Robert on Jan 12, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I still think this is going to catch on.
Big Z is the MAN.
by .Taylor on Jan 12, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
I just try to do all of my correspondence by e-mail.
I can type ~75 words a minute on a keyboard, and ~1 word a minute on my phone. And I’m near a computer pretty much all day. Texting is nice when I’m on the road, but other than that, I avoid it.
Well, I check in at about 100.
Big Z is the MAN.
by .Taylor on Jan 12, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Interesting article about how big of a scam carriers have made text messages
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/business/28digi.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=text%20message&st=cse
Should be ok but please try to avoid any possible political connections.
Looking at the girl, I think she goes down as the person most in need of a junk punch.
Although, it wouldn’t quite nearly have the same effect. Make it a gut punch.
Holy crap, the average is 1,700??
I’m at like ~200 a month
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
I'm amazed she's still alive to be honest
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Picking Amy Winehouse in celebrity death pools is almost cheating.
the other angels fan
by Eyebrows on Jan 12, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My wife actually named hers the Amy Winehouse Memorial Death Pool this year
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I fully believe with the contraction/death of "old media"
and the actual death of old sportswriters that the HoF balloting process will be more scientific in 15 years than it is today, and until that time there’s no use in getting up in arms about it.
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I'm actually glad that the even brought it up
It would have never been brought up a few years ago.
I’m not really mad I just find it hilarious (especially coming from a guy with a slimy east coast accent)
Stay away fanboys.
But thanks to what must have been a mastermind bent on villiany and evil, I am in the market for a new mp3 player. I’ve had experience with iPods before thanks to a generous purchase plan through my alma mater and are comfortable with them. I have the following needs for portable music player(s):
-something that’s easy to use at the gym
-something that’s easy to use while driving
-something that helps kill time on the bus
Thanks to lala, I no longer need an mp3 player when I have net access. I previously had a 2nd gen nano, which was small enough to use at the gym and easy enough (UI folders and an actual visual screen) to scroll through for driving.
I want something in the 8GB range of memory, and after some price shopping, my current thoughts run toward getting two players. One that’s the cheapest and smallest that I can find that will play mp3s and will only play mp3s (for gym) and a more full-featured player like the nano for more general use.
I’m curious about people’s thoughts on either or both lines of players. Have a cheap player that’s durable? I’m also curious about anyone who owns an iPod Touch and they’re overall thoughts on it. It seems like a really fun gadget, but is it worth the extra cost?
The touch is really cool gadget for everything but a MP3 player.
Zunes and creatives are usually high quailty players without the hassel of itunes.
By that, do you mean the audio quality of the touch sucks?
I already deal with iTunes for other reasons and will have to no matter my player, so that’s not an incentive for me.
Just from playing with my friends iPhones
It appears to be very cumbersome to operate while moving around. I hate my ipod but the one thing that I like is that I can operate it without taking it out of my pocket. From my moderate experience with the touch that appears to be quite difficult. The other gimmicky stuff is top notch though.
This is the best thing about the ipod for me
I don’t have to look at it to operate it.
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I want a MacBook Wheel So Badly
:-)
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jan 12, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
I'm an old man and I hate touch wheels
I want tactile buttons to press (and a dedicated volume control if I can find it)
You also hate keyboards...
…either that or they hate you :-)
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jan 12, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
Considering the fact that he has 43,131 comments on Lookout Landing alone
I assume he does not hate keyboards
I love my new keyboard
and if you check my comments you will see that my keyboard related bitching has gone down to nearly 0% since I got it.
by JI on Jan 12, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Don't say things you can't take back.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
I love this keyboard so much.
Finally a worthy successor to my decade-old Natural Pro.
Some things in life are worth paying for.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
My brain skipped the 'to' in 'gone down to nearly 0%' the first time I read this
and thought you just made a very funny meta joke.
Nope.
That's a good point.
Not sure how much it would effect me, but I hadn’t thought about that before.
This is why I told my brother not to get one
It looks neat, but the control interface is probably annoying and you won’t be able to operate it without looking at the screen.
I use Mediamonkey to load my iPods (don't think it does touch)
There are a lot of good media managers that do iPod loading and organizing.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
I have SanDisk Sansa (8 GB).
And I love it. It doesn’t have too many features, which is great for me, but it’s a rock-solid player. I’ve had it for a year and a half now and haven’t had any problems with it.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I will agree with the Sansa as a good "gym" player.
I would still go with a Nano or iPod classic as a car player, though.
I wouldn’t rec the touch for driving, too much going on, need to look at the to change anything.
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I've heard good things, but IIRC, that's a little more than I want to spend on what would amount to solely a gym device.
I’d be looking for something in the $35 and under range for that.
I use my Sansa for everything: gym, car, home.
I do everything in my BVD’s.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
I have a 3rd gen Nano (the square one) and I love it for the gym
it’s a great shape, it’s flash memory so there’s no moving parts to jar while running, and mine’s 8 gig so it holds a ton of stuff. I also have a 4 gig one that I would part with (bought the 8 gig for the extra capacity when they announced the 4th gen nanos, which went back to the rectangular shape), but it sounds like you want something bigger – but if a 4 gig 3rd gen nano would interest you drop me a line.
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I just uploaded my entire CD collection to Lala over the weekend.
I’m convinced that there’s a catch somewhere, because this is too awesome.
The quality is awesome.
I had grown so used to free.napster.com that I started to ignore how bad it sounded.
The whole non-ipod market has gone tits up
I pods are good and dandy, but I don’t like the small screen, I hate the scroll wheel, and itunes is a big resource hogging turd.
Personally, I liked my Creative player (no longer made), and my Zune (except for the Y2K bug) just fine, but Microsoft will be pulling out of that market too.
...Itunes is like 80% of the problem
That and apple is really douchey and smug to I try to avoid when possible.
Companies can't be smug, or douchey.
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Their marketing departments sure can
by Graham MacAree on Jan 12, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Don't tell me Graham has a thing against a little elitism, now?
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
I've got to go with Graham on this one
I love just about every Apple product I’ve ever owned, but I absolutely hate their marketing department. Every time I see a PC vs Mac ad I want to charter a flight down to Cupertino so I can strangle someone.
I see that as two sides of the same coin.
If you make the products the everyone loves, you can afford to be smug/douchey/elitist.
I’m sure pushing their products in that way doesn’t hurt their bottom line, as even MS fanboys will still get iPods over Zunes when push comes to shove, and reinforcing stereotypes of the hip underdogs probably brings in the anti-establishment morons.
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You have to be creative to destroy a monopoly, though...
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by PositivePaul on Jan 12, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Google is much better at this than Apple
by Graham MacAree on Jan 12, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
And Apple has a few monopolistic tendencies of its own, really.
I’ve never really understood the difference between an awesome business and a monopoly, to be honest. It’s a hard line for me to draw.
As does google
I’m not entirely convinced that an open-source monopoly is any better than a proprietary one.
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That's probably a little too close to politics for this site,
but it has to do with deliberately preventing competition, as opposed to just crushing it in the open marketplace.
Think IE automatically resetting itself as default browser at startup, to mess with Netscape.
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I think that's unfair
but I don’t have a problem with Microsoft bundling their own web browser and media player in with Windows.
Not bundling.
The start of the Euro anti-trust suits was that you couldn’t uninstall IE, and it would reset itself as default should something take it away.
But bundling is part of any software, really, so no, I have no problem with that, and it turns out that anti-trust lawyers don’t either. You just have to be able to uninstall the pieces if you don’t want them.
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I own the iPod Touch
If you don’t need more than like 12 GB of space for music, it works perfectly. Picture for videos is very high quality, and you can go on the internet wherever there is Wi-Fi. Also what I like most is that Apps you can get for them. Now you don’t have to pay for all of them, and they can sometimes can be very handy when you are on the go.
I've used a lot of MP3 devices
but the iPod is still at the top of my list as far as usability and ease goes. I’ve got a 30GB video and 8GB iPhone, and I love both. The 30GB video is great for long road trips.
My brother owns the newer 8GB nano and he absolutely loves it.
As for the Touch, what Robert said.
I liked the CreativeZen because it would accept damn nearly any format of video or music, and the screen was amazing
but holy shit was the scroll bar impossible, and it scratched easily
by JI on Jan 12, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
I've got a creative zen V, and it looks like the Creative Zen Mosaic might fit your needs
Like JI, I don’t use (and will never use) iTunes, so I just needed a small mp3 player with a decent screen. My old Zen V has a decent screen, great battery life, and pretty good sound. Dedicated volume.
I’ve had mine for 2 years, fwiw.
It can stand in line.
Wonder if it’ll work w/Windows 7?
I didn't mind my iPod when I had it (I had one of those huge clunky ones)
and I don’t mind my Zune now (other than the name and the fact that people act like fucking retards when asked to do anything with it). Zune’s are pretty easy to use while driving and while there are a few things I’d change about the display, it’s a fine device. If I were you I’d just go for whatever is cheapest because if you just want music to listen to there really isn’t a reason to own a Touch or something wacky like that.
by Dewey N on Jan 12, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Driving while using your zune is more distracting then drunk driving
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Yes I just like to point that out because I think either drunk drivers get way too much flak or people engaging in non driving activities while driving don't get enough
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I think it's situation dependent
On a backroad in the middle of the night I think both are fine, in 45 MPH traffic on I-5 at 630 PM I think you should be instantly jailed for either
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You can run off a back road into a tree as easily as you can hit another car in traffic
if your eyes aren’t on the road and focused on what you’re doing.
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Difference though
Running into a tree only hurts yourself
Running into another car hurts someone else
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I'd prefer to arrive at my destination without hurting myself though
wouldn’t you?
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Yeah, but I don't think a law should dictate that
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Laws can't be drawn that finely, though
and shouldn’t laws help protect all people, self or otherwise?
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I don't want laws protecting myself from myself, only myself from others
but I’m not sure this is going in a good direction
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Probably not
but one final question: you’re on a rural road, texting away because your conversation just can’t wait. You miss a curve, and my house is on that curve. You plow your car through, let’s say, my garage door. Nobody’s hurt, but if that’s my garage door I want a law in place saying that what you did is illegal. Otherwise, I have almost no recourse short of my insurance, which may or may not cover the damage you did and if it does, will probably adversely affect my rates. SHould what you did be considered illegal, given that nobody got hurt?
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The act of running into your garage door should be illegal
How I did it should not be an issue
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I actually kind of agree with you here
Because if you did this while eating a cheeseburger, which can be just as much of a distraction, no laws come into play. Except for reckles driving I guess.
But the argument could be made
that if you weren’t texting, you would have been focused on the driving, and thus not run off the road into my garage door, could it not? If you ran into my garage door because your brakes and steering failed, that shouldn’t be illegal. Intent matters.
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It shouldn't be illegal but I should be fully liable for paying for your garage door
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But you'd still have to pay
What are you asking the law to DO here?
Recognize that driving should be a singular activity
if texting is covered under “reckless driving”, great, but if not I think the definition of “reckless driving” needs to be expanded.
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It shouldn't be expanded by itemizing each gadget or
food item that’s distracting.
If you drive off the road into someone’s garage, you’re liable. What more needs to be said here?
I didn't mean an itemized list
But the RCW currently only defines “reckless driving” in terms of either speed (x mph over the posted maximum) or impairment by drugs or alcohol. The language should be expanded so that it catches things like eating, texting, brushing your teeth, etc. – in other words, things you do behind the wheel that are detrimental to the safe operation of a vehicle.
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No it's not
not even close, it’s no worse than changing the stereo
by JI on Jan 12, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
That was my initial line of thought,
but after figuring out that a Touch would cost me ~$100 over a plain mp3 player, I’m trying to gauge whether the stuff like the App Store, wifi access, etc is worth that much to me.
I'd stick with a more vanilla MP3 player.
The Touch’s wifi support is neat, but if you’re in a place with wifi you probably should just use a laptop instead.
Either that or go with an iPhone and be able to use it’s non-MP3 functionality everywhere.
I don't need or want a phone.
And I do not carry laptops around with me.
I still stand by my thoughts on the Touch.
It’s a neat device, it just doesn’t do anything particularly well. It’s an okay music player, but the battery life leaves a lot to be desired. The app store applications tend to be more novelties than anything.
As far as value goes, you’re probably better off with a device that’s more dedicated to MP3 and music playback.
I have a 32GB touch and love it (got it for $225)
But I don’t really use it to listen to music. Mostly just videos when I’m flying and games. But I agree with BrianL says if your trying to get around your music library and switching between songs it can become frustrating.
YES YES YES YES YES
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 12, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
yes it is
I use my shuffle mostly for listening to music. I just fly a lot for work now so I really needed something to do on the plane.
Oh and I love the Wifi browser btw.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 12, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
O yes, it is great.
The iPod touch is basically for people who want an iPhone but already has a phone.
Not really.
I think it is much easier to use the letters on the side to go down to the artist you want and etc.
Woot frequently features mp3 players - especially during Woot-offs
I have bought a couple of mp3 players from Woot and have gotten fantastic deals.
I previously posted as "Man From Nantucket"
Yes, this!
A few years ago, I got a AAA-powered 1-gig MP3 player for $25 (when similar models were going for at least $50).
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by PositivePaul on Jan 12, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
Big fan of both, it suits my lifestyle. Or did but still prefer a small/large combo.
For exactly what you said, for cycling or working out a stick memory player that is lightweight, and virtually indestructible is fantastic. I do like being able to haul around the lionshare of my music collection on occasion.
What I really need is a better set of head phones for working out, little rubber bands and plastic are annoying. And innocuous, I think it’s illegal to ride even on the Burke with headphones on.
Formerly dpseadvr.
You're still wrong.
Geaux Hornets.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jan 12, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not your buddy fwend.
Man do I love midgets.
Now it's my turn to say Huh?
Big Z is the MAN.
by .Taylor on Jan 12, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
South Park reference.
Man do I love midgets.
Heard that this morning.
He’s been considering retirement for years. I hope he gets to enjoy it.
Man do I love midgets.
So I had the misfortune of watching "What Happens in Vegas" a while back and it got me to thinking.
Are there seriously any people out there who think gags based on the concept that men should leave the toilet seat down so women don’t fall in the toilet by accident funny? Seriously, how ancient is that “gag?”
Fear the NPE
Sounds like a plot line from "According to Jim."
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
Remember that Onion "Macbook Wheel" parody?
Turns out I’m not the only one who didn’t realize it was a parody until after watching the video.
They need to make the Onion logo bigger.
Big Z is the MAN.
by .Taylor on Jan 12, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
The article was pulled shortly after it was posted.
All that exists of it now is this screenshot.
I think it'd be great if SNL went the way of the Groundlings or Second City
because it’s a fantastic breeding ground for comic talent – it’s just that it doesn’t really need to be seen on national TV. Either that or Lorne Michaels needs to step away from it – his ego is all over that show and that’s to its detriment.
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Lorne probably needs to step down.
…and Tina Fey needs to take over.
Sweet Niblets!
Argggggh. My G4 MDD tower died this weekend. I’m fairly confident it’s the power supply – which to purchase the part would be more than what the computer’s worth.
It was gaggingly slow for doing my photos, though, and I was hoping to buy a new one at some point anyway. Now I’m pretty much forced to do it, since my laptop just doesn’t cut it for doing critical work.
So, I’m trying to cobble together a budget. Likely it’ll be in the neighborhood of $1200-1500 absolute max. That pretty much rules out the new Mac Pro towers, so I’m having to hit the G5 tower market. And, hence, a used computer (which I’m really hesitant about in the first place, but as long as I wipe and low-level format the HD, I’m less creeped out by it).
My rules:
1) Has to run OS-X (10.4 is OK).
2) Has to have 1 gig memory at least
3) Has to be a reliable sytem
4) G5 processor at a minimum.
5) Tower, not a laptop – something I can hook my sweet 17" Studio display into. Yes, I know I can get a DVI-ADC connector (actually just got one so I can use it on my wife’s Mac Mini), but part of why I want a G5 is because of the ADC option. Towers are easier to expand and upgrade later, and generally are more reliable in my experience.
My friend was thinking about selling me his dual-1GHZ G4 tower which would be a nice bandaid, but I need something more long-term, and with the economy he’s very hesitant to buy a new computer for himself. So at this point, I’m not considering that to be an option.
Any Mac-savvy folks able to help a brother out???
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I sold my first gen intel imac to a buddy for $400
You can find a deal.
YES YES YES YES YES
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 12, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
I actually don't want an iMac.
I don’t want one with a built-in screen.
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by PositivePaul on Jan 12, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
This might be a good deal
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/sys/985596235.html
YES YES YES YES YES
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 12, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Yes.
I’m well aware of CL stuff. I’m looking for potentially other sources. I just heard RE/PC might be a good option. Stuff like that…
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by PositivePaul on Jan 12, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
Oh and Paul the Canon 5D is amazing
YES YES YES YES YES
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 12, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, yes it is...
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by PositivePaul on Jan 12, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
My brother got one
Lets just say the video capabilities aren’t a gimmick
YES YES YES YES YES
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 12, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
No, they're really not.
That and the D90… I mean if Redrock already has accessories for both dSLRs as video cams, that’s a pretty reasonable endorsement of their video capabilities.
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by PositivePaul on Jan 12, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
Always take a look on eBay and CL.
Looks to be a decent machine and it’s a generation up from your G4’s and G5’s.
Hmmm...
I’ll have to watch Mac Pros on ebay. Certainly, ideally, I’d like an Intel-based Mac Pro. But, then again, I don’t have CS3 and I don’t really believe in torrenting, so…
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by PositivePaul on Jan 12, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Whywhywhy can't The Verve just fucking END a song?
One of my pet peeves: Long-ass outros in songs.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 12:52 PM PST reply actions
As BrianL would say:
Richard Ashcroft needs a fucking editor.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
So I have been wanting to put together a nice playlist that has a variety of music.
I have put it off for a long time now because every time I open my music collection, it just seems too daunting of a task to even get started. How would you suggest I go about tackling this problem? Go down the list by genre? Maybe just do artists from A-Z?
This is something I have yet to come to terms with.
I have two playlists. My “Music of Nobuo Uematsu” playlist and my “Cruising down the highway” playlist.
See, I have like 15 different playlists broken up by genres.
Most of them only have 10-15 songs in the playlist because I never get around to completing them. I want to have a full playlist (300-400 songs) with a variety of genres that I can feel I can groove to whatever the situation. I’m just horrible at making playlists of a single genre that I don’t know how I am ever going to complete something so large with a variety of genres.
Gah! It’s frustrating.
Is this a playlist for general listening, or for a specific use (work, gym, etc)?
What I would do is start by thinking of 15-20 of your favorite songs – songs that always come to mind when you think “what do I want to listen to now”? Then, build from there – find songs that sound similar, have similar tempos, and things like that.
Do you use iTunes? Smart playlists are great, because you can also set up a smart playlist that only features things you haven’t played in X amount of time, or things like that.
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I would do artists alphabetically, but that's just my taste.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
That's what I do.
I go down the list alphabetically, adding whatever sounds good. If I then need to pare it down to fit onto a CD, I go through the list I’ve just made and get rid of the ones that don’t immediately jump out at me. As soon as I get it to the size I want, then I can tweak it to make a good flow.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
See, my problem going alphabetically is that jumping between genres changes my mood and then I want to go a totally different direction with it the whole playlist.
Maybe I will just start with one genre at a time, pick the best, and then combine them all. I just hate having the playlists I have because I know exactly what song and sound is going to come next. I want it to be like playing the radio and just a random, good song comes on.
I'm weird in that I usually have all sorts of genres in a single playlist.
Switching back and forth never bothers me. In fact, I start to get a little bored if I’m hearing too much of one thing.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
I started using the little rating system on my iPod a little differently.
1- 4 stars each has a different play list. When I hear a new song and have an urge to put it into a specific play list, I usually forget about it by the time I get anywhere near my computer. This way I can use the iPod to give it a rating, and sort the songs out next time I sync the computer and iPod.
My biggest complaint about my iPod is the software isn’t intuitive enough, so I have to do junk like this to make it work for me.
Formerly dpseadvr.
Holy shit, Best Buy is blowing out video games right now.
Ninja Gaiden II – $9.99
Condemned 2 – $9.99
Guitar Hero III – $19.99
Saints Row 2 – $39.99
Plus more.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 1:43 PM PST reply actions
Fuck no.
Have you seen what those framerate issues did to Geoff Baker?
I think my mental stability is less in question than Geoff Baker's
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
I think my mental stability is less in question than Geoff Baker's
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
The framerate issues will make anyone feel stabby.
MLB 2k8 is hands-down the most broken game I’ve ever purchased.
For $10, I might buy it for the second time.
(It got stolen a few weeks ago along with all my other games, so I’m rebuilding my collection.)
As Brian says, the graphics inexplicably got way worse, but they patched it so the frame rate is better, but still not good. But pitching is a blast. I like the game enough play it a few times a week, but it’s not great.
Has anybody played Civilization Revolution?
I guess I was expecting something a little more challenging (I’m a Civ II NUT) and was disappointed with the simplicity of this game. Though the animations were kinda funn.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 1:46 PM PST reply actions
Ever since finding Fall From Heaven II I have yet to play a game of Vanilla Civ.
I’ll only get Civ add-ons if the FFH modders move on to the new expansion.
Fear the NPE
Yep.
I thought I’d give it a whirl, but I beat it in about 90 minutes.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
Difficulty, yes.
The other stuff, no.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
Way too easy. I’m a Civ II fan as well and so rented Revolution to see if it was worth buying. Any Civ game that forces you to only play three other Civs or expand/contract the world size is not worth any money.
"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch
by crushedoptimist on Jan 12, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
My wife got a Snuggie for Christmas.
She loves that thing.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't get one, because she actually got the off-brand version
called the Slanket.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
I feel like that sounds dirty, though I don't know why.
Jeff's guide to not looking stupid:
+/- is an absolutely terrible stat, so don't use it, and don't give up on young players before they turn 24.
54!
I make tons of jokes about it, trust me.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
I read it as "Skanket" at first.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
AwesomeI
I almost got my wife a Snuggie for christmas. I’m 99% sure she’d have just laughed, but I didn’t want that 1% chance of instant divorce.
So OpenOffice 3.0 kicks all sorts of ass.
Seriously, why are people still giving Microsoft hundreds of dollars?
Fear the NPE
Because my college is making me take classes in Office 2007 in order to get my CIS degree
and because there would be a mutiny at my office if I did any kind of a changeover.
I have never used OpenOffice
Can it open/work with Microsoft Word/Excel documents? Can you save OpenOffice docs in Microsoft Office formats? I don’t have Office at home but would like to do work at home occasionally – but my office is a microsoft shop.
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Yes and yes.
Although the OO version of Excel is the only part of the suite not demonstrably better than it’s Microsoft counterpart.
Fear the NPE
Excel is a ridiculously good tool
even though it’s completely bloated and has been used in ways it was never intended (which also contributes to the bloat, as msft develops for things they hadn’t foreseen it being used for). It’d take a lot for me to get rid of Excel completely, but it’s good to know I can use OO to work with docs and spreadsheets and still have them work at work.
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Actually, I find the Open Office version considerably worse
Excel is the one thing that Microsoft really gets right
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
OO Excel has a wonderful special paste option
that MS Excel sucks at. Otherwise Microsoft is loads better.
I find MS Excel's special paste to not be all that bad
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
It's not bad, but I frequently have to C&P unformatted data into spreadsheets
and OO Excel has an easy way to pick what to split the data on while MS Excel constantly just throws everything into the first column.
Well you said it's not better, which could be taken to imply that it's roughly equal
I meant that I strongly prefer MS Excel to OO Calcz
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
I was shocked to learn that NeoOffice was able to manage Office 2K7 files just fine...
The files I’ve brought back & forth to work have worked flawlessly.
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by PositivePaul on Jan 12, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
I just spent $140 on Office 2007 because it was bundled with my textbook.
I already have Office 2007 on my computer, by the way.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
I cannot find just the textbook anywhere.
I have to have it for the exercises, so I spent at least $100 on something I already own.l
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
One Word: Visio
The only thing keeping me from an entire Linux environment.
by J.W. Pezzino on Jan 12, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
Confession
I much enjoy the original Gerry Rafferty version of “Baker Street” far more than the Foo Fighters version. Am I the only one here that enjoys the sound of the alto saxophone in Rafferty’s band over the heavy guitars of the Foo Fighters?
I did not know Foo Fighters covered "Baker Street"
But I can tell you without hearing their version that I like Gerry Rafferty’s better.
I'm not a big fan of the song in general
but the Foo Fighters’ cover is pretty bad.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
They do some good covers, for sure
this wasn’t one of them, though.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
Bad as in bad
I’m a 40-year-old white dude, I don’t call good things bad.
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I have to modify it with -ass
to make it a positive thing
by JI on Jan 12, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
Foo Fighters are one of those bands I have always loved, just not enough to actually buy their stuff.
That said. . . Everlong, Times Like These, and Best of You are all outstanding achievements in mainstream rock songwriting.
Fear the NPE
You should own REM's Life's Rich Pageant though
That and Murmur are both absolutely amazing albums.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
I wish I had more stuff like this.
Baker Street, Year of the Cat (Al Stewart), Africa (Toto). I have no idea what I like about these three songs, but I absolutely love them.
Are you also, then, a fan of
Bellamy Brothers – Let Your Love Flow and Rocky Burnette – Tired of Towing the Line?
I have a very elemental, probably stupid, statistics question
If a player hits a home run, what does that do for his OBP?
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It counts as a hit in an at bat
so it counts the same as a single/double/triple
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
thought so, but wasn't 100% sure since he wouldn't technically be on a base at the conclusion of the AB
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It would be odd to punish a batter for hitting a home run
despite the fact that many traditionalists consider the HR a ‘rally-killer.’
I know next to nothing about how to compute stats
and I get tripped up pedantically by the line of thought that he isn’t on a base at the end of the AB so his OBP shouldn’t be affected. Which is totally backwards, I know.
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OBP is pretty simple to compute:
(H+HBP+BB) / (AB+BB+HBP+SF)
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Hey! Ouch man.
Only “traditionalists” that never understood why batting averages with runners in scoring position are inflated.
Formerly dpseadvr.
I said "many" not "all" and not "traditionalists named Kermit."
Some of us understand that batting averages with runners in scoring position are inflated by the powerful will to win of certain batters. People who know there’s no ‘I’ in team, people who do the little things, people who play the game the right way.
You're like tablets from the mountain, tell it brother!
I did make that about me right there, it pleases me no end that you called me on that.
Formerly dpseadvr.
I'm hungry
best sit-at-home-by-yourself-and-watch-hoops-or-chill-with-roommates-takeout food?
Right now I’m thinking Hawaiian BBQ
Definitely this one.
Jeff's guide to not looking stupid:
+/- is an absolutely terrible stat, so don't use it, and don't give up on young players before they turn 24.
54!
Seconded.
I haven’t had teriyaki in forever.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
There is sadly only one good teriyaki place in all of Portland
it’s nowhere near my work/home, and it’s not open weekends, so I never get to go. I miss good teriyaki.
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That's insane.
Up here there’s as many of them as there are Starbucks.
Man do I love midgets.
One of the reasons I miss living in Seattle so much.
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if you enjojy the delicious taste of overprocessed roast beef
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you forgot the quote marks
overprocessed “roast beef”.
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If he makes it for his friends than I would not be able to eat it.
Also like fuck would I share mine with anybody
Which reminds me, does anyone else know a place that is accessibly walkable to downtown or South Lake Union
that carries cheese curds?
Besides Beecher’s because their farms are flooded.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jan 12, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
Beecher's is across from the market and the market cheese stand (which is absolutely tasty by the way)
does not carry them. Nor does the gourmet deli at the corner.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jan 12, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
fried chicken
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but it's delicious
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So, I love "The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society"
Where should I go next within their discography?
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 3:43 PM PST reply actions
Anywhere, really
Village Green is far and away their best. Arthur (the next album) is really good, Lola vs. Powerman contains my favorite Kinks song ever (Get Back In The Line), Kink Kontroversy is more back-to-basics Kinks (It’s the album with Till The End Of The Day), and Muswell Hillbillies is really good too.
Basically, you can’t go wrong – stay away from the later stuff (from Low Budget on) until you love all the older stuff, though, because the later stuff, while OK, just isn’t as good as these older albums.
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Sweet.
Thanks for the pointers. Their catalog is so expansive that it’s tough without just jumping in head-first I guess.
I only found Village Green by accident (watching Hot Fuzz), so I guess I should consider myself lucky.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Don't expect that any other Kinks album will sound just like Village Green though
The Kinks, while not as genre-bending as the Beatles, definitely had several different sounds; they’re all good, but they’re all somewhat different from album to album.
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That's totally cool with me.
L-O-L-A Lola…
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
They have, however, had many albums
18, to be exact (including a couple live records). But the mass audience for an anarchist collective is fairly small, so they never capitalized on their hit.
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Jesus.
I had no idea they were so prolific.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
Started in 1984
They might be the most unlikely band to have a US top 10 hit.
I can see an argument for the Village People (did they?).
Anyone else?
The Village People wouldn't be that unlikely
they were huge when disco was huge.
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but I don't know if they had a Top 10 or not.
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Right, and it's not that crazy for Chumbawumba to have a top 10 hit
that’s just ridiculously catchy. It’s just, when you step back a bit, you’ve got an anarchist punk/folk collective topping the charts, and a group of uber-campy gay-male stereotypes (or gay porn stereotypes) topping (ha!) the charts.
It’s weird.
I’d say the nonsense-songs of the 40s might be as weird, with the benefit of hindsight, but it’s tough to do an apples-to-apples comparison.
Did Steve Martin's "King Tut" chart at all?
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
Got as high as #17 in 1978, according to the googles
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Not quite top-10, but still a pretty surprising hit.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, it was
I just finished reading Born Standing Up, and I don’t think anyone was more taken aback by the whole thing than Steve Martin. He spends most of his career playing nightclubs, then from 1977-79 he’s selling out 30,000 seat stadia and having a song in the Top 20. Surreal. It’s a good read, by the way.
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Oooh, "In the Year 2525" by Zagar and Evans
A favorite of my buddy Pedro.
Oh yeah! I vaguely remember that.
Aired after that Pamela Anderson PI show, right? Or after Jack of All Trades?
I think it followd Jack of all Trades. Also a great show.
I find the fact that Bruce Campbell isn’t a mega star one of the most unfair things in history.
Fear the NPE
Don't you know that the USA is the only place that matters?
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
thank you
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And I still say that Tubthumping is a fun song.
Overplayed? Obviously. But now that we’re more than 10 years from all the radio saturation, it is a ridiculously fun song.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
It is unbelievably catchy
but I think I got so overexposed to it back then I still can’t listen to it for more than 30 seconds or so.
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I also feel the same way about "Steal My Sunshine" by Len.
Again, very overplayed, but now that we’ve distanced ourselves from the hype, it’s just a really fun song.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
I do not know this woman or what she sings
so I cannot rule on this matter.
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The whole album is just good. Very soothing and melodic.
And not in an overly girly way either. I have an EP she released with an awesome cover of the RHCP’s Breaking the Girl in which kick assedly refuses to change the pro nouns.
Fear the NPE
Yeah the first time I heard her sing I was floored.
I was like I don’t care what anyone says, I am listening to this album.
Fear the NPE
Also, she seems to have a genuinely warm disposition from inteviews/videos/concert footage I have seen.
That is always a plus. Kind of Mandy Mooreish in that way.
Fear the NPE
Honestly, she sounds like a cross between Faith Hill and Alanis Morrisette.
I think it’s acceptable.
Singing "You Outta Know" in Rock Band 2 is way more fun than it should be.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jan 12, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Holy Buckets!
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I hope it takes at least 3 years
Because there’s no way I’ll be back in that area on a full time basis until then and I really want to watch the construction
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If Gregoire is really demolishing the viaduct in 2010 I'd imagine they'd start construction immediately
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If you believe it will happen that quick more power to you.
Experience tells me it will take much longer.
I know you're right, I just can't wrap my brain around how slow the city of Seattle/state gov't is
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They won't turn a shovel in anger until 2015 at the earliest I'd bet
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If they knock down the viaduct,
I would think they’d start work right away. But they might not get that far for quite some time.
Man do I love midgets.
there will be so many lawsuits, public hearings, and appeals/counterappeals
that i stand by my 2015 estimate.
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Also, no way it remains under the stated budget.
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by crushedoptimist on Jan 12, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
I want to watch the hole be dug
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It's going to be a "deep bore" tunnel.
Won’t be much to see.
Man do I love midgets.
The old viaduct going down
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I want to buy the US-99 big green sign at 1st and Columbia
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That's true.
That would be a cool “implosion” if they did it that way. They’ll probably just throw a hobo at it instead though.
Man do I love midgets.
I'll be expecting a phone call and paycheck.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
That would still be awesome to watch
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The funny thing is that throwing a hobo at it will work.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jan 12, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
Hobo, bottle cap, shoe....
Man do I love midgets.
That sounds fun
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You have an odd opinion of what is "fun" my friend.
Man do I love midgets.
I like watching construction sites
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But in this case all you would see is a tunnel opening. Maybe some dump trucks.
Man do I love midgets.
I like dump trucks
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Go hang out by a quarry.
Man do I love midgets.
Quarries aren't roads
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But they have dump trucks.
Man do I love midgets.
I don't see why the DOT hasn't just gone over everyone's heads and just refit the existing one which would be so easy and so cheap
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Because it would be unbelievably stupid.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
Why?
The viaduct would work fine for another 50 years, just as much traffic can be transported, and money is saved.
If it weren’t currently a piece of shit there would be no serious talks about replacing it. It would be nice to build a big fancy tunnel that makes the waterfront pretty, but is it a good investment? I don’t think so
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Trucks can't ride buses
but we don’t need to rehash this argument
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The surface idea would have destroyed the commute of thousands of people.
It would become the same clusterfuck that north Aurora is.
Not if you use the money to improve transit infrastructure.
Also, it’s been proven that after a short adjustment period, traffic volume reduces after roads are removed. People adapt.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
They adapt when there's other roads to go to
I-5 is over capacity already
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No, they adapt to changing circumstances.
People are stupid, but they also like convenience. They’ll figure out the most convenient way to do something and go for it. Ideally, that’s transit.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed that transit is the ideal, but a lot of viaduct users are coming from W. Seattle and Tukwila
which is a longass bus ride, and then once again, trucks can’t ride buses
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This doesn't solve the freight issue.
Seattle is a working waterfront.
Man do I love midgets.
Lots of working waterfronts do fine without elevated highways running through their downtown.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
They probably have tunnels,
or better access to major freeways.
Man do I love midgets.
That's what I meant by upgrading arterials.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
Upgrading the arterials is a nice concept but how do you do it?
The port is in kind of a shitty location for arterial upgrade. There’s only so much you can do to Yesler Way without tearing down buildings, and nobody wants to do that. The 4th Ave corridor by the stadium is as good as it is going to get, it would be great to fix up Royal Brougham but hey you can’t do that, Atlantic is already as good as it’s going to get. There couldn’t be any significant upgrades until as far south as Holgate and I don’t think that’s enough
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Not just the arterials in downtown/SoDo, city wide.
Make some arterials shipping only. There are ways to make it work, but WSDOT won’t have it because their computer simulations don’t reflect reality.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
The port is downtown/SoDo though
The trucks that need to get to the freeway have to go through these areas. These are the arterials that would need to be upgraded.
Making arterials shipping only is nice, but every small business in the city would object to a bunch of semi-trucks clogging up the roads downtown and making the air smell bad. Downtown Seattle is nice because there aren’t a bunch of semi trucks driving through it because they’re all on the viaduct. Kick them off the viaduct and they have to go back downtown, and that’s shitty for everyone
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Put yourself in a small business owners shoes
Suddenly you’ve been told that the road outside your store is closed to vehicle traffic except for shipping traffic. You’re going to be pissed.
Closing the raod to all traffic at least makes your store area more appealing for the pedestrians who now have to access it, but closing the road to everything but SEMI-TRUCK traffic is going to make it less pleasant to pedestrians who now have to access it.
I don’t know about you, but I would be less inclined to walk down a street full of semi trucks then a street full of cars, and businesses along those arterials would take a big hit
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There are roads in the industrial areas with very few businesses.
You don’t think digging a deep-bore tunnel through downtown is going to disrupt business?
There are ways to do this that make sense, but they’re forward-thinking and require Seattle taking a risk and being innovative, so they’ll never happen.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
A temporary disruption is different then a permanent disruption
I’m sure there are ways to do the surface that make sense, I’m just not sure specifically what they are
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*unless you build a partially controlled access expressway which holds the same number of vehicles as the tunnel
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I just want street name signs to be posted more frequently.
For the love of God that’s all I want.
Name a major industrial port without any sort of limited access highway
San Francisco doesn’t count- they’ve lost 90% of their freight traffic to Los Angeles
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It's a smaller port than Oakland, Tacoma, or Seattle
(measured in container volume)
and Oakland has 880/SR 61 right there, Tacoma has I-705 and SR 509
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*the 880
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And more robust on-dock rail.
I cannot wait until they connect 509 to the airport.
That's going to be so nice
Tacoma’s getting a huge freeway boost pretty soon which is great, between the SR 704 cross base, the rebuilt SR 16 viaduct, the completion of the SR 167 freeway corridor from SR 512 to SR 509 (no idea what that will do to my favorite ARCO station), and the construction of the SR 509 freeway from Des Moines to I-5
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Almost makes me wish I still lived there
Almost. I-80 is good enough for me
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unless you like looking at automobiles
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but yes
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Much smaller, and not "cut and cover",
but I don’t think we’ll get through this without a huge hassle (if anything happens at all).
Man do I love midgets.
I imagine it'll get shot down when they do in depth environmental studies or something
boring a huge tunnel that close to the water can’t possibly have good effects on drainage/water pollution
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I hope it works.
But I’m not enthusiastic.
Man do I love midgets.
I hope it destroys the city and makes everyone involved a laughingstock.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
You realize you're talking about Greg Nickels, right?
He passed laughingstock near Sonics-ville and entered a whole new realm during the snowstorms.
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by crushedoptimist on Jan 12, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
I'm no engineer...
…but I can’t imagine that a tunnel dug into swampy muck (isn’t that part of the waterfront relatively man-made already?) in an earthquake-prone city can be all that safe. I just don’t see how this is a realistic option, honestly…
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by PositivePaul on Jan 12, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
I'm an engineer
And it would be fine.
by Graham MacAree on Jan 12, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
It has to be done.
The existing seawall is pretty much sawdust (yeah, it’s made of wood).
Fuck you Seattle.
Fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you.
Portlanders, please tell me when the job market picks up down there.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
Are you out of a job all of a sudden?
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
No, but I'm really pissed at Seattle right now and Portland seems the most attractive alternative.
Just impossible to find a job there.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
I'll keep my eyes and ears open
but five of my friends just got laid off from five different employers today so I’m not sure it’s any better here than anywhere else right now.
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At the moment I am attractive only to employers in the retail sector.
Not a lot of retail management jobs opening up anywhere right now.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
I will still keep my eyes and ears peeled though
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Wait which alternative did you want?
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The one that makes sense and isn't retarded.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
Knock it down, run surface streets where it stood, use the rest of the money for arterial improvements and transit.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Then line it with Starbucks.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
Shaped like tunnels.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
If WSDOT were innovative enough to accept the concept of the
Continuous Flow Intersection it could work, but I don’t see that happening
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ie a 6 lane limited access highway with CFI access points only at Union, Columbia, Royal Brougham, and W. Seattle Bridge
with pedestrian tunnels underneath to link people to a rebuilt 2 lane Alaskan Way, or something like that
but no way that would happen
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it would have to be a 4 lane with a 2 lane Alaskan way frontage road
6 + 2 is too wide
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Geography
with an emphasis on Planning/Policy I think
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I like CFEs but not in a downtown urban area.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
What's a CFE? And what does it have to do with the Embarcadero?
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CFIs*
And I want them to do the same thing with the viaduct that they did with the Embarcadero.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Great college basketball game going on right now.
Notre Dame vs. Louisville
Not a huge college basketball fan, but this game has been exciting.
Ugh, I wish I could have watched that game
oh well, there’s still the bad shot machine with the gorgeous J (AJ Abrams) vs Blake Griffin and OU
by seattlebruin on Jan 12, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
No, I'm not drunk-posting,
but I’m having some of my favorite mid-shelf wines that actually comes in a box. Apparently many of the more quality companies are using either boxes or screw-topped bottles because the wine keeps fresh for a longer duration. This particular wine (Black Box) comes in a box that equals about three regular bottles, and you can find it for anywhere between $18 and $22, depending on the store. Anyone know of other good boxed wines? It’s funny – boxed wine still has a stigma because it only used to be the rot gut that came in boxes. Sometimes I get funny looks at the store.
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
Boxing is actually the best way to preserve wine
black box is the wine industry’s first foray into “legitimate” wine in boxes. I haven’t had any others but there’s no reason to fear it.
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It's a hell of a lot better than TJ's Charles Shaw, that's for sure.
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(In a quality aspect - obviously Three Buck Chuck is in bottles)
Screw you, Mariners. I'm back in football's loving arms. *edit: well, shit. This isn't going well.
Drinking used radiator fluid is better than drinking Charles Shaw.
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Agreed. I love radiater fluid.
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Kenji Johjima couldn't catch him.
It's good for what ails ya!
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by tootthekazoo on Jan 12, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
If nothing else, it lubricates your gearshaft into thinking doing the dishes is cool.
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Kenji Johjima couldn't catch him.
Even I can agree with that
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I can't believe I used to actually LIKE Charles Shaw...
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by PositivePaul on Jan 13, 2009 7:20 AM PST up reply actions
Hmmmm.
One of my favorite wines in the whole wide world has a screw cap. I’ve yet to try any boxed wines recently. I’ll have to find me some Black Box and try it.
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by PositivePaul on Jan 12, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
I joke with my wife that I'd be more attentive if she had a black box.
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by kevin_ess on Jan 12, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hindsight says I'll probably get banned for saying that, but it's damned funny anyway.
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Got a laugh out of him
I have to assume that’s all that counts
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by tootthekazoo on Jan 12, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
*Me
Apparently crushing my pinky under a pickup truck box full of tools makes me speak in the third person
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by tootthekazoo on Jan 12, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
Him hopes your pinky feels better soon. Him don't like smash pinky.
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Kenji Johjima couldn't catch him.
It's so swollen it won't hardly bend
Like, it was such a hard smash that it never even registered pain. Just immediate dull throbbing
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by tootthekazoo on Jan 12, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
I really do
I do have some wine here though…
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by tootthekazoo on Jan 12, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
Actually....
OK, a bunch of friends and I went on a long canoe trip – we each took a different box wine. Someone brought a Black Box…something or other, someone got a Target one (someone swore it was good… it was not good), there was a white wine box (Sutter Home? Can’t remember) and I grabbed a Delicato shiraz.
Assuming you like shiraz/syrah, it’s actually quite decent. It’s not the best wine I’ve ever had, and part of this may be the wilderness talking, but everyone in the group voted it the best of the bunch.
Delicato's pretty good wine
I haven’t had it in a while but I remember liking it pretty well.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
I like the sirah/shiraz type wines, have had some pretty good experience with the S. American brands.
FWIW, the Metropolitan Market has a wine buyer that has never ever steered me wrong. Which is great since I have no idea what I’m doing with wine. Tell him what your having, what your looking for, price range and bam, done. Also the price range there is great, six bucks to sky’s the limit they’ll have you covered.
Formerly dpseadvr.
Currently watching Morrow's near perfect game on FSNW. God damn.
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Kenji Johjima couldn't catch him.
Fuck why did they have to air that during 24?
Decisions, decisions. Jack Bauer wins though. He would have thrown a perfect game, and still managed to kill somebody somehow
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
by tootthekazoo on Jan 12, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
Stopped watching it after the first season.
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Kenji Johjima couldn't catch him.
I haven't watched tonight's yet
but Hours 1&2 were pretty horrid. I won’t give any spoilers away – what kills it for me is the writing, which basically is Suspense Movie 101 – How To Speak In Urgent Whispers While Saying Nothing Of Value. Yecccccccch. It’s been trending that way for a couple years but I think I’m finally done with 24.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
Tonight's has been excellent so far
Classic 24. Wonderful
HA HA HA, your Grandpa's an ASS!- Tourette's Guy (R.I.P)
by tootthekazoo on Jan 12, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
I'm giving it these two hours tonight (which I'll watch tomorrow)
and if it’s no better than last night’s was I’m going to escape through one of Jack Bauer’s porous perimeters.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
Surprise! That man could be awesome soon.
(I hope)
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Kenji Johjima couldn't catch him.
Ironic and funny that Ichiro was the one who couldn't get to the ball. Fuck the baseball gods.
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Kenji Johjima couldn't catch him.
Fuck LLJ, I'm going to bed before I see the Mariners fuck this up again.
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Kenji Johjima couldn't catch him.
No new thread for today?
Man do I love midgets.
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