9/7: Open Game Thread
by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 7, 2008 1:27 PM PDT
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Wednesday game: Felix!
Friday game: Morrow!
Saturday game: RRS!
Sunday game: :|
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But Silva is a perfectly good #4 or #5 guy, and that's what Feierabend's upside is
thus, his upside is a left-handed, cheaper, bigger nosed Carlos Silva
I don't think Silva right now is anything close to a perfectly good #4/5
Maybe at the start of the year, he was. Maybe next year he’ll be, after his acute suckitis heals up during the offseason. But not now.
Back spasms never seem to happen in any other sports.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
You notice all the starters suffering from the worst cases of 'suck' are getting stricken?
Just seems like a funny coincidence, what with all the young arms around and available. Just once I’d like to hear a manager around here come right out and say “he sucks, I’m sitting his ass down”. Then again, maybe it’s back spasms.
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I just turned on a dvd
It was a pick between early the Office or early House.
I watch entire season all at once on DVD.
I imagine it would be pretty amusing to read your comments along with the episode. DO IT!.
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And a blowout loss to the Buffalo Bills
The Bills, collectively, are maybe two steps up from the Dolphins.
The Bills were 7-9 last year and may win 10 games this year with their offseason pickups.
However, we shouldn’t have lost. Also, the game was closer than it looked—up until the end of the 3rd quarter it was close then some fluky special teams plays made it a blowout.
I’m not worried, in 2005 we lost the season opener to a Jacksonville team that was on the rise. Emulating 2005 is not a bad idea.
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The Seahaws never had a prayer
It was close in the sense that the Cougars survived the first quarter against OSU close.
by JI on Sep 7, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I saw
But they way they were playing there was no reason to expect them to make up the difference barring some sort of bevy of turnovers.
by JI on Sep 7, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Meh, the defense was really strong and Hass was starting to find some rhythm in the 2nd half.
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He seems to be hitting Carlson well.
That’s encouraging.
Taylor dropped 2, Putzier dropped 3, Kent dropped 1, Payne dropped 1 or 2 and fumbled one.
Those were all on the receivers. Hass looks a lot better at 24 or 25-41 than 17-41. I don’t see Payne or Putzier being back next week, since Carlson did so well.
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Yeah, 20-7 at half with a flat offense
Even though 2 TDs is generally an overcomeable deficit, it wasn’t looking good.
THey came out firing in the 2nd half then got penaltied to shit.
I still am not at all worried about the Hawks. I can’t see them winning any less than 10 games, and they’ll take the division again.
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Yeah, this division still makes them the default leader
Good god, the Rams and Niners are awful. The only worry is that the Cards finally pull their heads out of their asses this season.
The Cards don't worry me. We're still a good team with an easy schedule. 13-3 is not impossible.
In fact John Morgan is a fairly unbiased analyst and he thinks we’ll win 13.
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Well now the Seahawks have to go 13-2
With next to no healthy receivers, a questionable ability to tackle and to execute the playbook, and hope nobody else gets hurt.
Yeah.
One of the commentators was talking after the game,
saying that the Niners were the absolute best team in the West. After shitting myself and nearly spitting pino grigio all over my television set, I went outside and tried to burn myself to death. The apocalypse is now, people.
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Exactly. 10 points we could've come back from, even 13.
Then they had the fake FG TD, and the kickoff fumble to make it ridiculously laughable.
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That is true, and that to me was all Logan Payne's over aggressiveness and shitty tackling.
So there’s 21 points given up by Special Teams, essentially. Very fluky, especially since fumble recoveries are mostly luck.
We still played uninspired enough to lose, but I don’t believe that’s our true talent level at all.
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Roscoe Parrish is a beast
He’s maybe just a step below Devin Hester. The Seahawks helped him with shitty tackling, but I’m not too surprised he broke one.
I still think the Seahawks are the better team. Holmgren coached like shit today, and it was Hasselbeck's first action in over a month.
Bad games happen. The Hawks still have far more talent than Buffalo.
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This is true
Losing this game is not a good sign, however, even if the circumstances were a bit flukish.
The Bills are much thinner and crappier than that 7-9 record shows
This should have been a win even with poor play.
Not really--they have depth--8-8 is probably baseline for them, though yes we should've won.
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So Chris Young is 7 outs away from a good days work...
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
He'll never make it because the Brewers are a bunch of child rapists
by JI on Sep 7, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck that.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Sep 7, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
it seems that you are drunk
and that makes me envious.
It was frightening.
I'll shut up lest you ban me like you banned butthol.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Sep 7, 2008 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh look
the yankees scored a run. Only 33 left to go.
How's his changeup look? Decent?
Radio for me.
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Why is a Feir* start so much more enjoyable than a Silva start?
Then again Silva is a good family guy pitcher. One off day a week, one Silva start, 6 extra hrs of family time a week.
"Steee-rike!" cries the umpire, and the westward course of empire flows unchecked. Paul O'Neil in SI.
Come on King Awesome
make me feel better about life.
Beat is saying it nicely.
Midnight Baseball - No Lights - Only in Alaska!
I don't know anything about American Football but I am trying to learn ... what happened?
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
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by EnglishMariner on Sep 7, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Imagine the SP throwing batting practice, the lineup hacking into 1st pitch outs, and the defense committing 6 errors
It was kinda like that.
Seattle is a sporting hotbed of suck.
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by EnglishMariner on Sep 7, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Hence the reason I gave up on football
I'll shut up lest you ban me like you banned butthol.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Sep 7, 2008 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
OH MY GOD DAVE YOU ARE AWESOME
“Batting average is a little misleading.”
There was never any doubt was there?
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by EnglishMariner on Sep 7, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
So Nosey isn't pitching too bad today.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
The first one was a bad pitch.
The second was a good hit on a decent pitch.
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Seriously, it's been eight fucking years and our offer to him was a slap in the face.
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There were reasons to boo him in 2001
I still take satisfaction that he struck out to end #116. But Jesus that should have been the end of it.
by JI on Sep 7, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I like to think of it as Quarter of a Billion Dollars.
At the time would have bought you 1/4th of an aircraft carrier. How does anybody in their right mind turn that down?
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That's why I wish people would let it go already.
"Steee-rike!" cries the umpire, and the westward course of empire flows unchecked. Paul O'Neil in SI.
Fans could justify being pissed for a season because of the way Alex handled it.
After that it just got silly.
This. His PR instincts are terrible.
A lesser player would have been destroyed by now.
"Steee-rike!" cries the umpire, and the westward course of empire flows unchecked. Paul O'Neil in SI.
Quick question.
Saying ‘this’ or using periods (….) means you agree with a statement right?
"Steee-rike!" cries the umpire, and the westward course of empire flows unchecked. Paul O'Neil in SI.
Oops, elementary school grammatical error.
“This” acknowledges agreement?
"Steee-rike!" cries the umpire, and the westward course of empire flows unchecked. Paul O'Neil in SI.
Ha ha ha! Now I'm looking for my dictionary.
Stupid big words.
"Steee-rike!" cries the umpire, and the westward course of empire flows unchecked. Paul O'Neil in SI.
It's that he is an incredible baseball player who just happens to be an incredible prick.
If you don't have anything nice to say, you're likely reading Bakers comments section.
How did A-Rod get the asshole reputation?
By taking a lot of money?
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Pretty much.
He’s always on camera accepting blame that he usually doesn’t deserve. He’s always apologetic to the fans, even when his teammates are performing far worse than he is. He does interviews with all the reporters whenever they ask. And so on.
Hate on him if you must for not having a David Ortiz-esque playoff performance in which he carries the Yankees on his back, but I’ve never seen any justification for the idea that he’s a bad person.
Uh...
actually he’s kind of dick from what I can see
by JI on Sep 7, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Give some examples, people.
Yep, and he seems like a dick aren’t good enough reasons.
The whole wife thing is fucked up (on both sides, since it appears they were both cheating) but things like that have happened throughout the history of baseball, and only in this day in age do they become public. My mom knew someone who slept with Don Mattingly when he was married, but things like that just didn’t come out in the papers then. It doesn’t make him a good person and it doesn’t make infidelity right, but really he’s far from a dick in almost everything he says to the media—the media just makes up reasons to hate on him.
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Wrote a letter to Boeing about how Texas would be a great place for them to relocate shortly after signing his huge deal
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I had forgotten about this, but this argument does hold water as a dick move against A-Rod.
I still don’t think he’s a dick overall.
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He's no John Rocker, but he's also no Jamie Moyer.
If you don't have anything nice to say, you're likely reading Bakers comments section.
And for the record, I have never boo'd A-Rod. It takes too much energy.
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I agree with JI that booing him in 2001 was fine
But after that it was just stupid
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Also, I fucking hate Johnny Damon only because he is Johnny Damon.
Does that make me a bad person?
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Exactly. Everyone acts like he raped their daughter then burned their house down or something.
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Yeah, but it would have been a better movie if he had burned the house down too.
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Yeah, but surprisingly enough many MLB players do, even some of your heroes I'm sure.
That makes him a bad husband, but it doesn’t make him a dick. That’s his personal life, and we shouldn’t know about that anyway.
Besides, she cheated on him too—it’s not like that marriage was working anyway.
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Uhh... yeah?
What are you arguing?
I’m not saying that’s why we boo him relentlessly. I’m just saying he’s probably just like most the others.
by JI on Sep 7, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm just arguing against the idea that he's a dick.
He’s a bad husband yes, but that doesn’t always equal dick.
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She probably didn't know because she was laying in Lenny Kravitz's bed at the time.
It goes both ways.
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At least he's not a Yankee...
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Not saying it makes it right.
But he shouldn’t be crucified for it like he has been. I mean yeah it’s not right, but why is what he does in his personal life our concern? And why should we judge him when we have no idea what the situation was? Raking him over the coals for that is just silly, whether what he did was right or wrong.
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Seems like you're a good person who refutes the popular vote.
I mean this – good for you. I just personally don’t like the guy. Doesn’t mean I boo him. I simply find him off-putting.
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Yeah, that's fine, to each their own.
To be honest, A-Rod has done some dickish things. But I just don’t like it when people get all angry at A-Rod and heap shit at him in print or on TV without a justifiable reason.
Thanks for the compliment man.
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I think we're both just Devil's Advocating here.
I was part of that conversation too, you may remember.
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I thought this was a positive.
I'll shut up lest you ban me like you banned butthol.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Sep 7, 2008 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw him kick a puppy once. Okay, not true.
He’s petulant. When things don’t go his way, he mopes. He makes personal life decisions that end up making him look like an asshole. His dealings with his former contract negotiations, though orchestrated through Boras, were filthy. Then, when it really mattered and the Yankees simply wanted to wash their hands of his presence, he ended up throwing Boras, the one guy who has gotten him to the pay scale he’s at, under the proverbial bus.
That, and being a Yankee doesn’t help.
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I ran into Jeter and A-Rod at the Metropolitan Bar and Grill in '98.
Right before closing time, bar was empty. I was waiting at the bar for my sister to get off work bullshitting with the bartenders & bar backs, they walked in and stood around at the other end for a bit. They walked over and hung out for a beer or two, really nice guys. But that was a long time ago and circumstances can change a guy I suppose.
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A-Rod hit really well in the playoffs untill 2005, too.
He’s actually been better than Jeter since they’ve been in the playoffs on the Yanks together.
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And he'll be blamed for the Yankees not making the playoffs.
Despite the fact that he’s put up another MVP-quality season and was easily the best player on his team this year.
Didn't he or Boras raise a stink during the HOF week couple of years ago?
That didn’t help. Maybe I’m thinking of something Pete Rose did on the eve of the HOF ceremonies, and A-Rod’s was during the World Series or something. Newspaper article I read this year called him a slumlord for some investment property in Florida. Stripper pics. Anyway, the press is itching for chances to get a bite of his ass.
"Steee-rike!" cries the umpire, and the westward course of empire flows unchecked. Paul O'Neil in SI.
Boras announced during the World Series that A-Rod would be opting out of his contract.
Dick move, but I have no idea how much of that was A-Rod or whether it was Boras doing his thing. A-Rod later kicked Boras out of the negotiations for the new contract because of the way he was acting through the whole thing.
That's right. Now it all comes back to me.
I never really heard the end of that, whether Boras got his cut of the contract or not. The papers were full of conflicting information, I finally quit paying attention. Pre-internet sports blog reading for me, I’m finding much more accessible information hanging out here.
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At last night's game during the booing I just yelled "If you're going to boo, you have to pay attention and cheer during the rest of the game too!"
A bunch of people gave me mean looks, but some smart M’s fans laughed.
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Reputation as being an excellent defensive shortstop, 2600+ hits.
Seems like a candidate the sports writers would love.
Ozzie Smith level defense, Ozzie Smith is in the hall, Vizquel had a slightly better (though still well below average) bat
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Vizquel is nowhere near the fielder Ozzie Smith was.
by JI on Sep 7, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Dennis Rodman called, he needs his outfit back. The feathers are my favorite part.
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Could be the last ever Beltre HR for the M's.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
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Nooooooo!!! Hush your mouth man!
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You don't think he's going to hit any more the next month?
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His luck is due to regress back to the extraordinary unlucky.
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by EnglishMariner on Sep 7, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Needs to hit more short homeruns.
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Real lazy ones.
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by EnglishMariner on Sep 7, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
My cousin died from lying.
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So Bryan LaHair has been terrible.
.255/.311/.336
He sucks. And that’s with a .351 BABIP to an 18.4% LD rate.
He's only got 5 RBI's as well. RBI are meaningless but that's unseamly low for someone who has played so much.
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by EnglishMariner on Sep 7, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
BUT MARINER REVOLUTION TOLD ME BRYAN LAHAIR WAS OUR TOP PROSPECT
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Casual Mariners fans are generally retarded.
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A great pick off is such an under-rated tool for a pitcher.
Especially one who has a shit ton of baserunners to worry about.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
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Nice game for Feierabend.
Don’t know what it looks like as far as the breakdown yet, but sounded not-too-shabby.
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8 groundouts, 8 fly outs, 2 BB, 4 K in 7 IP. All that's left now is discerning LDs vs. FBs....and of course there were the two HR.
Seems like a decent #5 starter on a good day level performance
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If MLB owners hadn't screwed the players way back in the day, there wouldn't be guaranteed contracts.
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Not according to Chuck A.
In his interview he said something like “we need 8-9 starters we can use”. Yeesh. I hate the man.
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Hey thanks! Takes me a bit to sort through that stuff during the post game.
I’m trying not be lazy and rely on the LL wrap up. This and a knucklehead project I’m working on, I’m getting faster.
"Steee-rike!" cries the umpire, and the westward course of empire flows unchecked. Paul O'Neil in SI.
Crap, need more reply. Thanks BrettJMiller.
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No problem, though I wouldn't trust me, I'm a "B" tier analyst here.
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Ha ha! The alphabet isn't long enough to include me.
I did however just stumble on a lurid detail about Mickey Mantle I’d never heard before while looking up some defensive stat info just know, but thankfully the A-Rod thread died and I don’t want to throw more fuel on the fire.
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2 for Lopie!!!! WOOOOOO!
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All three of our HR today have been lucky.
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He's learned to aim all his infield popups from last year.
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by Faux on Sep 7, 2008 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What's crazy to me about Wlad is not him chasing bad pitches
But it seems like he’s swung through quite a few fastballs in the zone too.
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Me either, but now it seems almost inevitable....
I can’t see us not winning at least 4 more.
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That's the "hole" Giambi had that Billy Beane talked about in Moneyball.
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Okay, so that pitch was over the plate.
How about not hanging your hands out over the plate, Giambi.
A lot of power lefties do that, so they can pull the pitch on the outside corner.
It’s really annoying
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Have you ever seen the ump NOT award the base?
That rule is never enforced. They ought to do away with it if it’s not going to be enforced.
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I have seen it, but only on rare occasion.
The player is blatantly leaning into the pitch when it happens.
I'm glad Putz has his stuff
When he gets his command back, it’ll be 2007 level performance. I’m excited to see what JJ does next year.
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No doubt.
The 97 mph heater is nice to see once again.
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by andrewgolfsalot on Sep 7, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, the sinker we WERE accustomed to.
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Valbuena makes that play.
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by BrettJMiller on Sep 7, 2008 3:35 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Splitter in the dirt please he has no pitch recognition skills.
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Tasty!
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THUN-DER
Duh nuh nuh nuh, nuh nuh nuh uhhh.
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I miss Drayer.
Get this incompetent fat fuck off my tv.
Okay, maybe a little harsh.
But Drayer and Capuano were much better at the post-game coverage.
Are you talking about the guy that sounds a bit like New York Vinnie?
Sort of mush mouthed? Never seen him, just heard him asking questions in the post game interviews.
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Ah, that explains so much.
They don’t name the reporter when they cut to the interviews. Or at least I don’t register it if they do.
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I can't believe that guy's name is Rosario Dawson.
The Chargers losing makes the Seahawks loss that much more painless.
Dayton High School, University of Oregon grad.
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by andrewgolfsalot on Sep 7, 2008 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to say.
Thank you Lopez for savaging a weekend that was awesome until it crashed into suckage from the obvious (Hawks).
Bend over.
Hahaha the DBacks got swept by the Dodgers. They're done.
But hey, Mad Max K’d 11 in a little over 5 innings, so woo.
Oh well. In a small, I kinda wanted this to happen. Who wants their team to be the worst playoff team in history? Not I.
"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "
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~Juan Pierre
Who wants their team to be the worst playoff team in history? Not I.
Oh shut up
by JI on Sep 7, 2008 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
The 2005 Padres were a game worse than you guys.
And the 2008 Dodgers may be worse still.
Were the 2006 Cards the worst World Champions ever? I don’t care enough about this subject to actually research it.
"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "
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That would be an interesting read as a fanpost.
There’s so many ways to define ‘worst’. Worst record? Easy. Worst team to pull off a championship? I’d love to hear the arguments, they’d probably be pretty interesting. Or maybe somebody would just chunk down a pile of statistics and quash the discussion, but maybe not.
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I'm just talking purely based on regular season record.
No 3rd order standings or anything like that.
"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "
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Gotcha, I missed that point.
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The 87 Twins were worse
and the 85 Royals sucked hard too.
by JI on Sep 7, 2008 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Upon further review the 85 Royals weren't as bad as I thought
by JI on Sep 7, 2008 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
'81 Royals?
I’m not quite sure that counts, but they did have a playoff series against the A’s for division championship.
Kansas City won the second half of the season, and had an overall record of 50-53.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Sep 7, 2008 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
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