Series Preview: New York Yankees @ Seattle Mariners
Seattle: 54-85
Yankees: 74-64
GAMES
Game 1: BRANDON MORROW!!! vs Andy Pettitte*
Game 2: Ryan Rowland-Smith* vs Sidney Ponson(snicker)
Game 3: Carlos Silva vs Mike Mussina
Andy Pettitte is in the midst of another Andy Pettitte season. He's hitting the zone a little more often and missing a few more bats leading to a few more strikeouts and few less walks than 2007. But balancing that is a slight uptick in home runs allowed.
Hahaha, oh sorry. I mean, Sidney Ponson. His control is uhhh hahahaha. Sidney Ponson! He's horrid.
With Mussina's stuff falling ever further toward Triple-A quality, he's taken to pounding the strikezone and has ratcheted up the groundballs. The result is that despite missing bats just over 4% of the time, Mussina has produced another decent season of performance for New York.
However, there are some huge red flags, notably in his called strikeouts. Mussina actually has more strikeouts of the called variety than of the swinging type and called strikeouts do not carry over year-to-year anywhere near the level to that of swinging Ks. Mussina seems to me to be tight-rope walking on the cliff.

Likely Starters:
C Ivan Rodriguez/Jose Molina
1 Jason Giambi*
2 Robinson Cano*
3 Alex Rodriguez
S Derek Jeter
L Xavier Nady
C Johnny Damon*
R Bobby Abreu*
D Hideki Matsui*
Six of the ten hitters here have bRAA totals above +10, which is an incredibly potent amount. Furthermore, four of them (Abreu, Damon, Rodriguez and Giambi) are above 20. Xavier Nady would be among that latter group if he had enough at bats in the American League.
CONTEXT
Brandon Morrow? Against the Yankees? That's insane, but ok, this should be interesting to watch at least. If he makes it through four innings, that would be a success. If he can limit walks against a team known for its discipline, that would be a success. If he can get some missed bats on offspeed pitches and maintain decent velocity on his fastball, that would be a success. I'm not optimistic for success.
I swear, if we get shut down by Sidney Ponson, I will... I will... well, I probably won't do anything. But it would be really stupid.
Jeff has his Ichiro is Fine post (though to brag, I had been saying it for awhile before) and I have my I Love Adrian post (though to be humble, my love for Adrian is eclipsed by many others). Maybe I should pen something about how much I adored 2005 Felix and Yuni and 2004 Jeremy Reed.
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HAPPY MORROWEEN!!!
Hmm… anyone got any better ones?
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Sep 5, 2008 6:38 AM PDT 0 recs
You are up far too early.
I’m interested to see what Morrow does this evening, particularly in terms of making it through more than a few innings. At least it will be a different way to have a potential meltdown.
I'll shut up lest you ban me like you banned butthol.
by NOLAmarinergirl on Sep 5, 2008 7:25 AM PDT 0 recs
I would imagine with the 8:00AM Eastern on the dot posting time, this was probably posted while he was asleep.
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by Faux on
Sep 5, 2008 9:20 AM PDT
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I prefer to think Matthew is precise like that.
I'll shut up lest you ban me like you banned butthol.
by NOLAmarinergirl on
Sep 5, 2008 2:37 PM PDT
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We've already been shut down by Ponson this year
If it happens again, I’ll laugh a bit, but the shock’s already worn off.
May 6th – 7IP, 1R 1BB 2K, Rangers win 10-1.
by marc w on Sep 5, 2008 9:19 AM PDT 0 recs
Sindey Ponson is, was, and will remain Sidney Ponson
If his stats in a tiny sample were slightly better or worse, I don’t think it should matter. Have his pitches changed in velo or movement?
by marc w on
Sep 5, 2008 9:33 AM PDT
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The sample sizes in NY and TEX are about even
and his control in TEX was a lot better.
by Matthew on Sep 5, 2008 9:58 AM PDT 0 recs
Right, which is why we're better off looking at his skills and career numbers
Sidney Ponson is who we thought he was. That Texas SSS thing notwithstanding, Sidney Ponson isn’t good. It was just as ridiculous to get shut down by him in a Texas uniform as a Yankee uniform or a Twins uniform.
by marc w on
Sep 5, 2008 10:12 AM PDT
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Having Ponson on the Cardinals for three months
did much to prepare me for the Silva years.
by JI on
Sep 5, 2008 10:14 AM PDT
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Clearly
but skill levels aren’t static. I’m not claiming, or have ever claimed, that it’s a dramatic talent difference. But everyone goes through high and low periods. It’s more ridiculous to lose to Sidney Ponson when he’s bringing his D game than it is when he’s bringing his A game no matter how bad his A game is.
by Matthew on
Sep 5, 2008 10:30 AM PDT
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I just think if you get shut down, the opposing pitcher brought his A game
The question is: is it less likely that Ponson brings his A game now than it was a few months ago. I have no idea, but I kind of doubt it. I think he strung some decent outings together in a small sample, then got traded and regressed to the mean. Might he now regress back towards his xFIP? Sure, why not. (Yes, he’s right at his tRA right now, and so maybe he won’t regress anywhere. But he’s still capable of shutting of out, and whether he’s walked incrementally more or less this month doesn’t really mean much to me. It’s like: should we have expected Ponson to crater like he has after the trade? I say yes, despite a sterling tRA in Texas.)
by marc w on
Sep 5, 2008 10:57 AM PDT
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You've watched enough Mariner baseball
to know that a hitting team getting shut down does not guarantee that a pitcher was at his best.
by Matthew on
Sep 5, 2008 11:35 AM PDT
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Yes.
Us getting shut down isn’t always always like this game.
I wish it were, because then at least we’d get to watch some really excellent pitching.
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by Llewdor on
Sep 5, 2008 11:38 AM PDT
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Fair enough, but that's still something of a side issue
Is Ponson more or less likely to shut the M’s down now? I still don’t think we can say one way or the other. I don’t think the fact that he’s had 4-5 ‘d’ games in a row means much, any more than the fact that he had 4-5 ‘B’ games earlier on meant that he’d have a decent year. Kind of reminds me of the studies of hitting streaks…
The M’s have a way with bailing people out, but I’m still not sure that Ponson’s suddenly forgotten how to do something he knew how to do in Texas. He was on a hot streak, now he’s on a cold streak. He sucks. That’s that.
Just to clarify, the issue isn’t whether the M’s will/won’t get shut out when he’s bringing his ‘D’ game, it’s whether or not he’s capable of throwing in a decent game (better control). I’d just like to know if he was actually doing something different in Texas. My hunch is no, and he got lucky with batters swinging more or hitting centered pitches at people (or swinging through them). But that’s a big pitch fx project, and projects involving Ponson are by definition a waste of time.
by marc w on
Sep 5, 2008 1:19 PM PDT
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I swear, if we get shut down by Sidney Ponson
God I hate him so much
by JI on Sep 5, 2008 10:06 AM PDT 0 recs
Alex Rodriguez is (give or take) the best player in the AL this year
How many MVPs has he been screwed out of?
by JI on Sep 5, 2008 10:08 AM PDT 0 recs
You can make a *case* for 1998 too
Not saying it’s a slam dunk; depends on how far above average he was on D. But adding SBs, defense/position and even park, he overtakes the likes of Garciaparra, Jeter (!) and Juan Gonzales (bleh).
Albert Belle was the best pure hitter that year, but again, depending on the magnitude of the defensive adjustment, etc… (Incidentally, how many was Belle screwed out of in a short career?)
by marc w on
Sep 5, 2008 10:29 AM PDT
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Assuming his defense is a good as we were led to believe
Bernie Williams has a very sting case in1998.
by JI on
Sep 5, 2008 11:51 AM PDT
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The Sting Case!
Bernie Williams got a lot of notoriety at the end of his career for hilariously bad defense, and I’m not saying that he was bad in 1998, but I’d be shocked if he was waaay above average then.
It’s possible, and yeah, Williams had a decent case then. Like A-Rod, he didn’t get the most votes on his team, let alone the league.
by marc w on
Sep 5, 2008 1:12 PM PDT
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He's easily the best IMO
with Sizemore, Granderson and Maeur relatively tied 2-4 about a win less valuable.
by Matthew on
Sep 5, 2008 10:35 AM PDT
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If Minnesota wins the division
they’re going to give it to Morneau again.
If not, get ready for MVP Pedroia.
Cliff Lee’s gonna get robbed.
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by Llewdor on
Sep 5, 2008 11:29 AM PDT
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Pitchers winning an MVP is stupid. They have the Cy Young. For better or worse, MVP should go to hitters only.
by Matthew on
Sep 5, 2008 11:36 AM PDT
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MVP is for the most valuable player.
There’s no reason why that couldn’t be a pitcher. It’s not the Most Valuable Hitter award.
Don’t hitters have the Hank Aaron award?
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by Llewdor on
Sep 5, 2008 11:46 AM PDT
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The Hank Aaron award isn't a real a award
it’s determined by a fan internet vote.
by JI on
Sep 5, 2008 11:52 AM PDT
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Okay, so the Hank Aaron award is dumb.
The hitters don’t have their own award. That’s too bad for them.
A pitcher can be the most valuable player.
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by Llewdor on
Sep 5, 2008 12:08 PM PDT
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A starting pitcher factors into no more than 35 of his team's 162 games
A starting position player usually factors into nearly all of them.
by Gomez on
Sep 5, 2008 12:45 PM PDT
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Not the strongest argument
a starting pitcher goes through more plate appearances than a hitter does.
by Jeff on
Sep 5, 2008 1:04 PM PDT
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It’s not the Most Valuable Hitter award.
I think we’ve been trying to get this across for years.
Defense matters.
The MVP almost always goes to a player on a playoff team (or a team that narrowly missed if their counting numbers are awesome enough) who had a lot of RBIs and did it “by themselves.”
by JI on
Sep 5, 2008 12:04 PM PDT
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And that's dumb. It should go to the most valuable player.
And that’s Cliff Lee.
If you insist picking someone on a better team, might I suggest Roy Halladay?
If you insist on picking someone on a contending team, then we’re in Pedroia/Mauer terrtory.
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by Llewdor on
Sep 5, 2008 12:09 PM PDT
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Okay, Halladay is a big reach.
But Lee’s pRAA is comparable to ARod’s bRAA (thank you StatCorner). If A-Rod warrants consideration when so does Lee.
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by Llewdor on
Sep 5, 2008 12:14 PM PDT
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when = then
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by Llewdor on
Sep 5, 2008 12:14 PM PDT
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Pitchers pitch
Fielders hit and field.
It’d be one thing if A-Rod were a DH. He isn’t.
by Jeff on
Sep 5, 2008 12:19 PM PDT
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Point taken.
Pitchers field, too, but their impact with the glove is pretty small.
So to win the MVP a pitcher would need to be exceptionally good, or the hitting class would need to be damaged somehow (like the top 8 hitters got injured so they only played partial seasons).
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by Llewdor on
Sep 5, 2008 12:25 PM PDT
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Lee is +43 runs as a starting pitcher
A-Rod (for example) is +45 runs as a hitter who also makes a contribution in the field.
You have to be a pretty fucking good starting pitcher to be worthy of the MVP.
by Jeff on
Sep 5, 2008 12:13 PM PDT
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Would you give the 1999 MVP to Pedro?
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by Llewdor on
Sep 5, 2008 12:19 PM PDT
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I'd consider it
But Nomar, Manny, Alomar, Pudge, Jeter and Bernie Williams all had great seasons and it deserves more thought than what I can give now.
by JI on
Sep 5, 2008 12:36 PM PDT
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To me PT and defense are the only issues
He’s slipped the past few years be his D is probably still ok.
by JI on
Sep 5, 2008 11:49 AM PDT
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