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Stark on Potential Beltre Trade

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• For whom the Beltre toils: One more corner bat the Giants appear to be targeting is Seattle's Adrian Beltre.

"Beltre is playing really well right now, and he's playing hard," said one scout, "maybe because he thinks it will help get him out of there. I know the Giants have done a lot of work on this guy. They're looking at him hard." But to deal for Beltre, the Giants would have to overcome the same issue -- trading away someone like Cain. There's no way to know for certain whether interim GM Lee Pelekoudas or someone else will be making the decisions in Seattle. But every team we talk to about the Giants says it would want a starting pitcher back in any significant deal. And clubs that have spoken with Pelekoudas say that if it's up to him, he "won't let Beltre go without getting a quality pitcher back."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings

Yeah because we don't have enough pitching

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Yeah I know

but with teams like San Francisco and Minnesota, it’s not like we have much of a choice. Unless the Twins are willing to part ways with Span for some ridiculous reason.

by Jeff on Sep 4, 2008 11:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They were willing to part with Bonzer for a ridiculous reason

So I guess there’s a precedent for ridiculousness.

by JI on Sep 4, 2008 11:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They have a lot of pitching

Talented center fielders aren’t as plentiful.

by Gomez on Sep 4, 2008 11:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, but that does not make it not ridiculous

considering they were willing to pay $10m for a very minor pitching “upgrade” on top of all those arms.

by JI on Sep 4, 2008 11:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought so too

There was a report that Bonser was never actually on the table after the fact, I think. Maybe the Mariners asked for him and the Twins balked and that’s how the rumor got started, but it never made a bit of sense for them to offer him up for Washburn. Then again, it didn’t make any sense for them to pursue Washburn at all, so who knows what levels of stupidity they were capable of?

by OlSalty on Sep 5, 2008 12:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wait.

For whom the Beltre toils? Shouldn’t it be tolls?

by Mariner John on Sep 4, 2008 2:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It should be,

but the implication is that if he’s hitting well now he’s not toiling for the sake of his own team so much as the other teams that might be interested in acquiring him.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/milb-mariners/

by JY on Sep 4, 2008 3:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Alright.

Yeah, that’s horrible execution of a pun.

by Mariner John on Sep 4, 2008 3:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You were expecting better?

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/milb-mariners/

by JY on Sep 4, 2008 3:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow, that is bad.

I’d misread it as tolls.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Sep 4, 2008 4:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Question for Seattle fans

Does Cain for Beltre straight up seem fair to you? It doesn’t seem fair to me, as a Giants fan. I don’t see how 1 year of Beltre at $12 million is worth 3 years of Cain for ~$14 million total.

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Sep 4, 2008 11:56 AM PDT   0 recs

You may have a better chance of extending him

Assuming the Gigantes improve in 2009.

by Gomez on Sep 4, 2008 11:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

With Boras as his agent?

I don’t know, that seems unlikely to help much.

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Sep 4, 2008 12:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Any team knows they have to pay big money for top talent

I’m not sure it makes a huge difference if they’re interested in keeping him. And if they don’t, they get good draft picks.

by Gomez on Sep 4, 2008 12:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I disagree

The trade for 1 year of Santana, which included a signed extension as part of the deal, probably didn’t pull back the value of Cain. Whereas, look what the trade for Haren pulled back. He was signed for many years at below market costs and brought back much more talent. I don’t think straight up, Beltre for Cain is close to fair.

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Sep 4, 2008 12:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not saying the trade is fair

Just saying that Beltre’s pending free agency isn’t as big a mitigating factor.

by Gomez on Sep 4, 2008 12:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There are very few players we would accept in return for Beltre's departure.

I don’t know if Cain qualifies.

But, if Beltre’s departure is inevitable, Cain is a great haul and is financially in favor of the Mariners.

by Wilder. on Sep 4, 2008 12:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What would be enough to get Lincecum?

Beltre/Moore/DeJesus? Beltre/Truinfel? Beltre/Morrow? Maybe if Beltre signed an extension as part of a trade?

Be open minded about what you don't know.

by Jed MC on Sep 4, 2008 12:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We'd have to buy the team

and then trade him to ourselves.

It’s your 1899 Cleveland Spiders.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Sep 4, 2008 12:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If its the Giants.....

Can we have them take washburn too?

by shmartz on Sep 4, 2008 3:24 PM PDT   0 recs

No ones pointed this angle out yet

but…. we’ll make the Giants toss in Leone!!!

by seattlebruin on Sep 4, 2008 3:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Trienful

(I’m not gonna even attempt to spell that correctly).

by JI on Sep 4, 2008 4:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You're already on the internet and looking at baseball stuff, it can't be too hard to look up.

Just sayin’

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A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Sep 4, 2008 4:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.

by ralphie81 on Sep 4, 2008 5:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

bag

whatever

Screw you guys I’m going home.

by JI on Sep 4, 2008 5:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Is that what a group of dicks is called?

Like a murder of crows or an exaltation of larks?

A bad of dicks. I like it.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Sep 5, 2008 11:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A bad of dicks. I like it.

Are you sure about this?

by AZSEAfan on Sep 5, 2008 11:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I can see how that could be misconstrued.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Sep 5, 2008 12:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Too lurid.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Sep 5, 2008 12:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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