Stark on Potential Beltre Trade

by JI on Sep 4, 2008 11:31 AM PDT Comment 84 comments

• For whom the Beltre toils: One more corner bat the Giants appear to be targeting is Seattle's Adrian Beltre.

"Beltre is playing really well right now, and he's playing hard," said one scout, "maybe because he thinks it will help get him out of there. I know the Giants have done a lot of work on this guy. They're looking at him hard." But to deal for Beltre, the Giants would have to overcome the same issue -- trading away someone like Cain. There's no way to know for certain whether interim GM Lee Pelekoudas or someone else will be making the decisions in Seattle. But every team we talk to about the Giants says it would want a starting pitcher back in any significant deal. And clubs that have spoken with Pelekoudas say that if it's up to him, he "won't let Beltre go without getting a quality pitcher back."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings

Yeah because we don't have enough pitching

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It's not like you're going to call up San Francisco asking for bats

by Jeff on Sep 4, 2008 11:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I think we could absorb Rowand's contract.

by JI on Sep 4, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And I interpreted Lee's quote as more of a general philosophy than on specific to dealing with the Giants.

by JI on Sep 4, 2008 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah I know

but with teams like San Francisco and Minnesota, it’s not like we have much of a choice. Unless the Twins are willing to part ways with Span for some ridiculous reason.

by Jeff on Sep 4, 2008 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

They were willing to part with Bonzer for a ridiculous reason

So I guess there’s a precedent for ridiculousness.

by JI on Sep 4, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I see the White Sox, Indians, Phillies, Brewers, and Dodgers

all as potential buyers too.

by JI on Sep 4, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

They have a lot of pitching

Talented center fielders aren’t as plentiful.

by Gomez on Sep 4, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, but that does not make it not ridiculous

considering they were willing to pay $10m for a very minor pitching “upgrade” on top of all those arms.

by JI on Sep 4, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Even if both are ridiculous, Bonzer was far more expendable than Span

by Gomez on Sep 4, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bonser

I know how to spell his name. Bonser.

by Gomez on Sep 4, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Position player for position player.

by JI on Sep 4, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wasn't that rumor debunked?

by batura on Sep 5, 2008 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

There was a report that Bonser was never actually on the table after the fact, I think. Maybe the Mariners asked for him and the Twins balked and that’s how the rumor got started, but it never made a bit of sense for them to offer him up for Washburn. Then again, it didn’t make any sense for them to pursue Washburn at all, so who knows what levels of stupidity they were capable of?

by OlSalty on Sep 5, 2008 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Raul should get some Secret LaHair.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Sep 4, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wait.

For whom the Beltre toils? Shouldn’t it be tolls?

by Mariner John on Sep 4, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It should be,

but the implication is that if he’s hitting well now he’s not toiling for the sake of his own team so much as the other teams that might be interested in acquiring him.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/milb-mariners/

by JY on Sep 4, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Alright.

Yeah, that’s horrible execution of a pun.

by Mariner John on Sep 4, 2008 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You were expecting better?

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/milb-mariners/

by JY on Sep 4, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow, that is bad.

I’d misread it as tolls.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Sep 4, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Question for Seattle fans

Does Cain for Beltre straight up seem fair to you? It doesn’t seem fair to me, as a Giants fan. I don’t see how 1 year of Beltre at $12 million is worth 3 years of Cain for ~$14 million total.

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Sep 4, 2008 11:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

You may have a better chance of extending him

Assuming the Gigantes improve in 2009.

by Gomez on Sep 4, 2008 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

With Boras as his agent?

I don’t know, that seems unlikely to help much.

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Sep 4, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Any team knows they have to pay big money for top talent

I’m not sure it makes a huge difference if they’re interested in keeping him. And if they don’t, they get good draft picks.

by Gomez on Sep 4, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree

The trade for 1 year of Santana, which included a signed extension as part of the deal, probably didn’t pull back the value of Cain. Whereas, look what the trade for Haren pulled back. He was signed for many years at below market costs and brought back much more talent. I don’t think straight up, Beltre for Cain is close to fair.

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Sep 4, 2008 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs