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9/3: Open Game Thread

Seattle Mariners at Texas Rangers, Sep 3, 2008 11:05 AM PDT





W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Felix Hernandez 9-8 26 26 1 0 0 0 168.0 158 68 61 15 67 154 3.27 1.34


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Dustin Nippert 1-4 16 2 0 0 0 0 49.0 69 42 41 8 26 34 7.53 1.94

Some struggling pitchers with good stuff turn into Matt Thornton, powerful high-leverage relievers who figure enough things out to make their repertoires work in an important role. Other struggling pitchers with good stuff turn into Dustin Nippert.

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To be fair

when Matt Thornton was Dustin Nippert’s age, he was walking almost 7 per 9IP in AAA, and also giving up more hits than innings pitched.
This year in AAA, Nippert walked 2.27/9 and generally pitched sort of OK. Thornton always missed more bats and gave up fewer HRs, but we all thought Thornton was utterly useless at age 27, so it’s not like the book is closed on Nippert.

by marc w on Sep 3, 2008 10:03 AM PDT reply actions  

No, you're right.

I’m thrilled they’re facing him today.

Just someone with that kind of power arm…I know it’s very ‘scouty’, but I keep thinking he’s got a chance to harness that and turn himself into a half decent reliever at the least (sort of like Thornton, who I’m still shocked is characterized as ’effective’).

by marc w on Sep 3, 2008 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

It floored me

on the plus side, it prepared me a bit better for the shock of Jorge Campillo becoming a well-above average starting pitcher in the majors.

by marc w on Sep 3, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thornton's strike% jumped from 59 to 67 overnight

I don’t even get how that happens. If one simple little adjustment was all it took to make a bad pitcher good, where the hell was our pitching coach?

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 3, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the pitching coach is by far the most important coach

but only if you have one who knows what he’s doing. Stottlemyre, for example, hasn’t done a thing to impress me.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 3, 2008 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

A Yankee with a famous name

He strikes me as one of those pitching coaches who makes stupid meaningless adjustments all the time instead of smart important ones that work.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 3, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Part of me wants to blame at least a portion of Felix's regression on Stottlemyre.

His pre-season “establish the fastball” mantra rubbed me the wrong way.

by BrianL on Sep 3, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

2008 CB% = .088

2006 CB% = .206

IIRC, he tweaked his delivery a bit following last year’s arm injury, and since then he hasn’t throw his curve as much. I think this is as big a problem as any other – that curve is devastating when he locates it

by seattlebruin on Sep 3, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

He hasn't thrown it as much because I believe it has changed

we only have one game of PITCHf/x data to work with, but Felix’s pre-injury curve was sharper and had quite a bit more break than the one he’s throwing now. That one was a true power curve capable of missing some bats. This one is loopier and intended to get more looking strikes than swinging ones.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 3, 2008 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, the break hasn't been nearly as sharp as it was during that Red Sox game

it’s rather unfortunate that we don’t have a larger sample size, because I get this feeling that a true power curve might be just what Felix needs

That and less fastballs…

by seattlebruin on Sep 3, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was referring to the Oakland game, for what it's worth

Fenway didn’t have a PITCHf/x system installed. But I believe that whatever tweak Felix made after the injury has cost him what was once a knockout pitch.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 3, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, I see

that makes sense though, I forgot about that Opening Day start – I only caught the Sox game since it was on national TV, unfortunately.

by seattlebruin on Sep 3, 2008 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's not closed

That’s the intriguing and annoying thing about guys like this. But holy wow has Nippert been bad so far.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 3, 2008 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

As I said above, part of my inability to slot him into the ‘worthless, non-MLB arm’ category is because Matt Fucking Thornton is now described as an important piece of a playoff team. THAT Matt Thornton. It boggles the mind.

Part of it is also watching Nippert do this against Tacoma this year. It was one day, but on that day a 6’8" guy had pinpoint command of a 96 MPH fastball that he used to get 5Ks in 5 IP and also 7 GBs to only 3 FBs. It was dominating. Yes, he’s never shown that stuff again, not even in the minors, but it was there then, and if he ever learns how to do that consistently, he’ll be fine.

by marc w on Sep 3, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Damn you Dustin.

You were supposed to be our #3 for the next few years.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.277/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Sep 3, 2008 10:07 AM PDT reply actions  

I used to play golf with a guy named Barry Harder

the only person I’ve ever met whose name was also an instruction.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Sep 3, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

At risk of sending this spiraling off-topic

the asbestos inspection certificates in every room at my high school were signed by a Dick Houlder.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 3, 2008 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I have a friend who's full name is Daniel Perry Ness.

He’s always told me if he has a son, he’s gonna name him Harry.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.277/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Sep 3, 2008 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm assuming.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.277/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Sep 3, 2008 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I bought a jumpsuit from Value Village with the name "Dick" embroidered on it.

The only reason this is funny is because it’s a “Johnson Control” jumpsuit.

by BrianL on Sep 3, 2008 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I knew a Dick Johnson as a kid...

…and he was a real estate agent, too.

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Sep 3, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

No way is there a cop out there with the last name Bacon

That’s hilarious. Best I can do is my HS baseball coach: Mike Reese.

by ack on Sep 3, 2008 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I Googled him to try and provide proof, but there's nothing.

You’ll just have to take my word for it, but he does exist.

J.K.L.

by Aaron Campeau on Sep 3, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Harry Hole

I manage databases. I come across a lot of names.

Like Iona Cornfield.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Sep 3, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh, and I have an aunt

Willow Stumpf

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Sep 3, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

How is Felix doing on day games over his carreer?

Compared to night games. Does anybody have a split?

by Schuxu on Sep 3, 2008 10:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Ok, this year better at day time

Higher K rate lower BB rate. lower ERA slightly higer HR rate though

by Schuxu on Sep 3, 2008 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

In football, I think that argument can be made.

Baseball, however, is a much more individual sport.

by BrianL on Sep 3, 2008 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Perhaps he means

the kind of chemistry that Shawne Merriman enjoys.

If it wasn't for college football I'd probably have given up on sports.

by bluemax on Sep 3, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Football is based so much on working together and timing. If someone is a split second off, the whole play breaks down.

Baseball is a bunch of individual encounters pieced together. I’m not saying for certain chemistry does or doesn’t matter in either sport, but I’d say there’s a much more compelling argument for it mattering in football.

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A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Sep 3, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's true, and yet that's not what people are generally talking about when they talk about chemistry

You can have perfect timing and still think your WR is a dickhead who you never want to spend time with.

It’s the philosophy that everyone on a successful team has to be friends and hang out together that pretty clearly doesn’t hold in baseball, and I’m fairly certain doesn’t hold in football either. Who knows, but my sense is that the NFL team with the best chemistry last year was the Detroit Lions. The Giants clearly had terrible chemistry for years, with feuding between the coach, Tiki Barber, Eli Manning, etc. Didn’t matter.

by marc w on Sep 3, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

People are talking about Pedroria getting the MVP? Really?

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.277/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Sep 3, 2008 11:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Huh, I hadn't really looked at his numbers until just now.

.330/.376/.496
124 OPS+
17/1 SB/CS
41/47 BB/K
61 XBH
Closing in on 200 hits.

Damn.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.277/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Sep 3, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting

Fairly even home/road splits with only a slight improvement at home. However, 13 SB at home, 4 on road. That’s strange.

by Gomez on Sep 3, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

bRAA

A-Rod: 41.3 3B
Sizemore: 29.5 CF



Pedroia: 21.4 2B

by Matthew on Sep 3, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Complete list of hitters with more bRAA than Pedroia

A-Rod
Quentin
Bradley
Markakis
Huff
Youkilis
Damon
Sizemore
Granderson
Morneau
Miguel Cabrera
Kinsler
J.D. Drew
Josh Hamilton
Ibanez
Roberts
Mauer
Giambi

by Matthew on Sep 3, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I predict that Dustin Pedroia becomes the new Derek Jeter.

If he hasn’t already.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.277/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Sep 3, 2008 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

On the plus side

Felix always throws a gem after his particularly shitty games.

by Robert on Sep 3, 2008 11:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Lopez DHing/ Luis Valbuena at 2nd

Is one of three things that really emphasized just how incredibly bad we are.

by Robert on Sep 3, 2008 11:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Carlos Zambrano=Sore arm. Rich Harden=Missed start

And so it begins.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.277/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Sep 3, 2008 12:08 PM PDT reply actions  

It would be glorious to see the Cubs pull a 07 Mets.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.277/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Sep 3, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

A Red Sox/Cubs WS would be horrid.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.277/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Sep 3, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

God I hate when they play the FSN theme after decent plays.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.277/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Sep 3, 2008 12:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Why in the hell do they do that?

If you don't have anything nice to say, you're likely reading Bakers comments section.

by kevin_ess on Sep 3, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

WHY THE FUCK IS JOHNSON BEING TOLD TO BUNT.

ITS FUCKING 0 OUT IN A NOTHING GAME WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO FUCKING EVALUATE OUR CALLUPS, AND WE MAKE HIM BUNT. FUCKING BUNT!!!

WE ARE FUCKING RETARDED.

FUCKING SEATTLE I HOPE THE TEAM FOLDS.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Sep 3, 2008 12:10 PM PDT reply actions  

RBI opportunity for Jerry Reed.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.277/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Sep 3, 2008 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Is Ichiro going to get 200 hits this year?

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Sep 3, 2008 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes

I think. 182 hits with 21 games left I think

by seattlebruin on Sep 3, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

He needs 18.

I’m gonna go with yes.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.277/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Sep 3, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Has Felix lost some velocity or is the FSN gun off?

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Sep 3, 2008 12:21 PM PDT reply actions  

So I just noticed that "There's only one October" is back.

And this times it features Frank Caliendo.

GOD.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.277/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Sep 3, 2008 12:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Why isn't his career dead yet?

If you don't have anything nice to say, you're likely reading Bakers comments section.

by kevin_ess on Sep 3, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

This might actually be worse

If it wasn't for college football I'd probably have given up on sports.

by bluemax on Sep 3, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't even imagine the vortex of suck that would create.

Dear lord.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.277/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Sep 3, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It was me.

I liked the use of the word ‘Vortex’. Should be used more often in game threads.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Sep 3, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Gambit"

Hey, you suck McBain.

by oc on Sep 3, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Try again.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Sep 3, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Protocol"

Hey, you suck McBain.

by oc on Sep 3, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't force it - let it happen naturally.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Sep 3, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've had two pints of beer, and now my friends have informed me they can't be arsed going out tonight.

Thus I am FORCED to what dreadful baseball. I am not happy.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Sep 3, 2008 12:27 PM PDT reply actions  

FIRST PITCH SWINGING WHY?!

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Sep 3, 2008 12:29 PM PDT reply actions  

FUCK SAKE.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Sep 3, 2008 12:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Sake is good, paired with the correct meal.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Sep 3, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Be still my heart.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.277/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Sep 3, 2008 12:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Quit with the regicide attempts.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Sep 3, 2008 12:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Where is the 'terrible news' tag when you need it?

Washburn vows to return this season
Lefty has abdominal injury, doesn’t know when it occurred

ARLINGTON — An abdominal injury will prevent left-hander Jarrod Washburn from making his scheduled start against the Yankees on Friday night at Safeco Field, but he vows to pitch again before the regular season ends.

“If nothing else, I will get a [cortisone] shot to make it through the end of the season,” he said Wednesday. “Baseball has gotten to the point where it isn’t much fun right now anyway. The one day it is fun is the one day I get to play, and not to be able to do that would make for a long, long month.”

Washburn (5-14, 4.72 ERA) is winding up his third season with the Mariners and said he has no idea when or how he suffered the abdominal injury.

He seemed perfectly healthy in his start against the Indians on Sunday afternoon, holding the Tribe scoreless over 6 2/3 innings.

“I am assuming I did it at some point of the game,” he said. "I didn’t feel anything that I am aware of, but when I woke up the next morning, it didn’t feel right. It was real sore, like a muscle feels after a bad cramp.

“I was hoping that’s what it was so I didn’t say anything to the trainers. But the first day here, which was two days after I pitched, it was worse. I knew there was an issue there, so I went in and told [head athletic trainer Rick Griffin].”

After a few pokes in the area, Griffin found the problem and Washburn’s usual between-start routine was put on hold.

“He doesn’t think it was too deep, so hopefully it will heal pretty quickly,” Washburn said. “But he said it’s one of the few injuries you get that there is just absolutely nothing you can do to treat it. You just have to wait and let it heal itself.”

No one is sure how long that will take, but Washburn won’t be rushed back to action by the club.

“We will err on the side of caution,” manager Jim Riggleman said, “but it’s going to be Wash’s call, really. When he says he’s 100 percent ready to go, then he would pitch. It’s going to be up to him.”

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Sep 3, 2008 12:37 PM PDT reply actions  

NO NO NO NO NO BUNTING IS DUMB. FUCK!!!!

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Sep 3, 2008 12:39 PM PDT reply actions  

"Hey rookie, welcome to the bigs"

“Don’t swing, just bunt a whole fucking lot”

by seattlebruin on Sep 3, 2008 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Way to boost a guys confidence eh.

We suck at far too much.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Sep 3, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

So is him bending his back after every other pitch.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.277/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Sep 3, 2008 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

We should shut the King down now. Let him rest for 2009.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Sep 3, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who ... who is this prick?

Why is he ruining my night?

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Sep 3, 2008 12:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice run support for the King you failures.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Sep 3, 2008 12:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Quality start!

Dear God, how many fly balls has Felix given up today? 10?

by seattlebruin on Sep 3, 2008 12:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Welcome to 2008 Felix!

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Sep 3, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Against the Rangers, too.

This is a CGSO against most lineups, even if they ran out their early-game-following-a-late-game crew.

Free Stephen "Awesome" Strasburg!

by seattlecougar on Sep 3, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Guys like David Eckstein...he's an itch."

Sigh.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.277/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Sep 3, 2008 12:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Dont. Play. FSN. Music. Yet.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Sep 3, 2008 12:57 PM PDT reply actions  

FSN THEME WOOOOOO!!

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.277/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Sep 3, 2008 1:16 PM PDT reply actions  

That's a shame.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

.277/.324/.316

~Juan Pierre

by Goose on Sep 3, 2008 1:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Well that was a bunch of horseshit

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Sep 3, 2008 1:19 PM PDT reply actions  

So we lost a 1-0 game in Rangers Bandbox

And we won enough games to fall back in the SDSU RHP #37 hunt beforehand.

SWEET.

by Gomez on Sep 3, 2008 1:35 PM PDT reply actions  

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