Swinging Strikes & Strikeout Rate
A quick little bit of research, made possible by the blessing that is StatCorner.com:
We've talked about the strong correlation between StS% and K% before. It obviously makes a lot of intuitive sense, but if you still weren't quite on the trolley, there's a neat little chart for you, including the last four years' worth of data (for pitchers with at least 100 xIP in a season).
Bottom line: the more swinging strikes you get, the more strikeouts you get. Duh. It follows, then, that if your K% doesn't really go well with your StS%, then chances are it's unsustainable.
Look at that point near the left, with the StS% of 4.6% and the K% of 18.03%. Seems out of place, right? Right. That's 2008 Mike Mussina, for whom nearly half of his strikeouts this year have been called. That's twice the league average. That strikes me as a giant red flag when it comes to discussing his future success, because chances are this isn't the sort of thing that's likely to continue. So where Mussina's raw strikeout rate may not hint at an imminent decline, his swinging strike rate is making some angry noises.
It works the other way, too. 2008 Scott Olsen has a K% of 13.23% despite a StS% of 9.9%. If you plug his StS% into the best-fit equation, you come out with a theoretical K% of 20.08%. That's a big giant difference. The biggest difference in the past four years, as it happens. Olsen's actually missed more bats in 2008 than he did in 2007, but his strikeout rate has taken a precipitous dive, which seems both unfair and unlikely to continue. The fact that his fastball is missing 3mph is a concern, but the fact that his strikeout rate has followed is not, I don't think. He's still missing bats at the same rate, and that should manifest itself in a similar number of strikeouts.
I don't mean to imply that this is all totally random, the way people talk about HR/FB or whatever. There does appear to be some element of pitcher control over how well their swinging strikes translate to strikeouts; Tim Hudson, for example, appears to be below-average, whereas guys like Josh Beckett, Erik Bedard, Mussina, and Matt Cain appear to be above-average. There could be any number of reasons for this to be so, but the bottom line is that some pitchers seem to be able to generate positive differences between their K% and tK% while others remain in the negatives. However, with that said, swinging strikes remain the best indicator of strikeout rate, so when you encounter a guy such as '08 Mussina or '08 Olsen whose two rates don't match up, be on the lookout. More than likely, something's about to give.
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I was just about to request this.
Since you can read my mind, you or Matthew is probably already working on the calculating the R^2 for StS% year to year?
Might also be cool to see what this chart would look like if you used called strike percentage….
by marc w on Sep 26, 2008 3:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It was too much work for me to try and do R^2 yty but hopefully Matthew can help me out
As for the second part, give me a few minutes.
by Jeff on Sep 26, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so awesome I went back and time and posted
by Matthew on Sep 26, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh.
Excel graphs are prettier than my JMP graphs
by Matthew on Sep 26, 2008 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like how I basically re-did something you already posted.
by Jeff on Sep 26, 2008 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as you change the colors of the dots it's your work, right?
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Sep 26, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next post: "Bedard is great pitcher but injury plagued."
by Matthew on Sep 26, 2008 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about "I don't think the Bedard acquisition was a good idea"
“Bill Bavasi is not a very good GM for the following reasons”
I’ll go post a FanDiary about beer.
by marc w on Sep 26, 2008 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well there you go

A pile of crap. A pile of crap is what it would look like.
by Jeff on Sep 26, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yowza. That's sort of what I thought - maybe a bit worse.
by marc w on Sep 26, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who the heck has like a 24.8% StL rate?
by seattlebruin on Sep 26, 2008 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The aforementioned Mr. Mussina.
Duchscherer was second.
by marc w on Sep 26, 2008 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit.
I would have never guessed it was so low.
Thank you.
by batura on Sep 26, 2008 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
K% = a*SwStr% + b*ClStr%
Is it that strikeouts are results of swinging strikes or just more strikes being thrown?
by Edgar for Pres on Sep 26, 2008 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The R^2 for K% vs. Strike% is only 0.0453
It’s the swinging strikes.
by Jeff on Sep 26, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
k
Just to be 100% sure…fouls don’t mean anything with regards to K% right?
by Edgar for Pres on Sep 26, 2008 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
R^2 = .1417
They mean something, but not very much.
by Jeff on Sep 26, 2008 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've re-read this a couple of times, I'd like to think I'm tracking.
You use the phrase “any number of reasons”. Is a pitcher having a quality out pitch one of them? I just want to double check my line of reasoning.
"Sorry I hit you in the helmet Hank, I meant to hit you in the neck." Stan Williams to Hank Aaron.
by dpseadv on Sep 26, 2008 3:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not really sure what the reasons are
we can only speculate. Your guesses are as good as mine.
by Jeff on Sep 26, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would certainly think good pitch variation would be a factor.
by Matthew on Sep 26, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to look into it but that would be one whale of a project
by Jeff on Sep 26, 2008 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't somebody at THT
have a way to assign run values to a pitcher’s curve, fastball, etc.
Just say that everything not a fastball is an outpitch. If a pitcher has above average outpitches then they should out perform the predicted K%.
Still a whale of a project.
by Edgar for Pres on Sep 26, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Walsh. Runs100
is what I think you are referring to.
by Matthew on Sep 26, 2008 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only there was a group of interested parties that could employ
people similar to us so that we would have the time to research this.
by Matthew on Sep 26, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You would think NFL teams would be interested in this stuff!
Do MLB teams think about this kind of stuff at all?
by seattlebruin on Sep 26, 2008 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think NFL teams are too interested in strikeouts.
Seriously, I’d bet there are plenty of MLB teams that think about this stuff a lot.
It’s the sort of thing I hope Mat Olkin does/did/may do again one day for the M’s. I’m not holding my breath, but who knows.
by marc w on Sep 26, 2008 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, it was sarcasm
hence asking about MLB in the body =(
by seattlebruin on Sep 26, 2008 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you'll end up with skewed results for those guys like Beckett/Bedard/Mussina etc.
that is, unless you want to get incredibly complicated…er.
by Jeff on Sep 26, 2008 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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