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THIS IS INTENDED TO REFLECT THE REALITY OF WHAT HAPPENS DURING A SEASON.

What is a number 2 starter? What is a number 5? These terms get bandied about a ton, but really what is the expected performance for these roles? I'm not talking theoretically, but the hard reality of a 162 game season and as it turns out, it's far worse than most people will intuitively guess.

THIS IS INTENDED TO REFLECT THE REALITY OF WHAT HAPPENS DURING A SEASON.

Fact is, pitchers get hurt. A lot. And because of that, teams end up giving a lot of starts to woefully inadequate pitchers. So any measurement that attempts to quantify the performance of starting pitchers into buckets of a rotation needs to take this into proper consideration.

For the methodology of this exercise, I turned to a pair of articles for inspiration. Chris Jaffe published an article attempting to figure this out back in the winter of 2006. His method was to assign slots for each team based on their rotation coming into the season and hold those as fixed as pitchers were swapped in and out. A single day before Jaffe's article was published, Jeff Sackmann had the first of his series of article published on The Hardball Times about rotations. His method was to take all the starts for a team and just group the best 32 as #1, the next best 32 as #2 and so on.

Those are both decent methods, but what stuck out to me was the fixture of doing the rotation slots team by team. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me to have, for example, the Nationals' best 32 starts this year grouped in with the Blue Jays' best 32 starts as those made by #1 pitchers. I want a measurement whereby if you have a #1 pitcher, you can say that pitcher is among the top pitchers in the league regardless of team.

Star-divide

In that essence here's what I did. I took every pitcher who logged a start in 2007 and sorted then in descending order by tRA+. Then I just separated the list into five parts, one for each rotation slot. The cutoffs for each slot were based on an offshoot of the expected innings pitched profile that Jaffe outlines with some minor tweaks to move from actual innings to expected innings.

#1 starters are expected to log 200 xIP (600 xOuts). Therefore, the group of #1 starters was the found by taking the sorted list and, starting from the highest tRA+ and working down, finding where the cumulative xOuts totaled as close as I could get to 18,000 (600 * 30 teams).Then the xOuts and xRuns were summed for that group and from those two numbers, the tRA was computed.

#2 starters was the same process except for 192 xIP, #3 starters were slated at 183 xIP, #4s at 175 xIP and #5s took up the rest, around 166 xIP. This process was then repeated for 2008. I did it separately for 2007 and 2008 because I wanted to see how much variation there was between the two years. If there was considerable change between them then I would suspect that it wasn't a stable enough measurement to be useful and would require a bigger sample. As it turned out, the rankings were incredibly similar and so I feel comfortable enough to go forward.

TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR: By this definition, a #5 starter is probably not what most people term a #5 starter. I assume that when most people talk about a #5 starter, they talk about some mythical rotation that almost never misses a start and this person being the worst pitcher on it. For the most part, those rotations do not happen. A #5 as defined below represents the combined worst starters to have actually pitched. In my opinion, this is the more useful definition, because this way, having health is properly weighted and you get a notion for the level of scarcity that exists.

By traditional measures, a 90 tRA+ pitcher is terrible, a #5 or so. But a 90 tRA+ pitcher that stays healthy enough to log 180 innings is valuable because he keeps you from having to turn to those replacement 80 tRA+ pitchers for spot starts and that's what I want to be apparent here.

That's not to say he is valuable enough to warrant paying much for. As you can see below, the bottom 40% of starters are pretty well below average. It's generally the performance level that you can find off the scrap heap. So if you cannot build a Toronto or Chicago (AL) staff, use Ryan Feierabend for those back end innings; don't pay Carlos Silva. Use Dustin Moseley; don't pay Jon Garland.

AVERAGES. (based on 2007 and 2008 data)

#1 STARTERS: 130 tRA+
#2 STARTERS: 112 tRA+
#3 STARTERS: 100 tRA+
#4 STARTERS: 91 tRA+
#5 STARTERS: 76 tRA+

MARKERS.

These represent the breakpoints between each slot. For example, between a 95 and a 106 tRA+ would be rated as a #3 starter. Below 86 and you're a #5, above a 118 and you're a #1.

1 -- 2 BARRIER: 118 tRA+
2 -- 3 BARRIER: 106 tRA+
3 -- 4 BARRIER: 95 tRA+
4 -- 5 BARRIER: 86 tRA+

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Yes, thank you

All this talk about the rotation that could have been next year, as well as the debates over X pitcher being a #3 as opposed to a #4, got me wondering as well. Nice to have something to make reference to in those conversations.

by CKel on Sep 23, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just to put some names to the numbers

Average #1 starter in 2008: Josh Beckett
#2: Aaron Cook
#3: John Maine
#4: Nate Robertson
#5: Jeremy Sowers

Info from 2008 statcorner leaderboard.

by DCMariner on Sep 23, 2008 1:27 PM PDT reply actions  

So based solely off of this years numbers

If we have a rotation of Felix, Morrow, RRS, Silva and Feierabend next year and they perform similarly to this season, we will have a #2, a #3, a #4 and two #5’s.

by Sec 108 on Sep 23, 2008 1:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Since you mentioned them, I figured I'd check out how Toronto did.

Man, that’s a good rotation.

  1. Halladay – better than your scale
  2. Burnett = #1 on your scale
  3. Marcum = #2 on your scale
  4. McGowan = #2 on your scale
  5. Litsch = #3 on your scale

And then even the extra guys they brought in to cover for injuries were great.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Sep 23, 2008 1:57 PM PDT reply actions  

That's pretty damned impressive.

I was going to point out that they’ve all benefited from an amazing team defense, but Mr. Burnett bucks the trend by getting fewer outs than expected outs. The rest of ‘em, sure. But Burnett’s been unlucky.
(Oh my god their 2007 defense was insane)

by marc w on Sep 23, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus, Halladay's tRA+ in relief has been 416.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Sep 24, 2008 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Arizona:

1. Webb – 148 tRA+:4th best in baseball(138 tRA+ last year)#1 on Matthew’s scale
2. Haren- 139 tRA+:5th best in baseball(112 tRA+ last year) #1 on Matthew’s scale
3. Johnson- 135 tRA+: 9th best in baseball(147 tRA+ last year) #1 on Matthew’s scale
4. Davis- 112 tRA+:(100 tRA+ last year)#3 on Matthew’s scale
5. Several guys have filled in here.

Max Scherzer(current #5):133 tRA-#1 on Matthew’s scale
Yusmeiro Petit:110 tRA+-#3 on Matthew’s scale
Micah Owings:97 tRA+-#4 on Matthew’s scale
Edgar Gonzalez:92 tRA+:#5 on Matthew’s scale

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by Goose on Sep 23, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a little surprised that Davis' tRA is that high.

Another reason why I want him to be put on the trade market in the offseason as the main piece to acquire a second basemen.

"All I’ve ever done is be Juan Pierre when I wear this jersey. They’re sticking it to me this year for whatever reason. "

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by Goose on Sep 23, 2008 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Question

With tRA, do you have to take park differences into account? For example, if Cha Seung Baek were still pitching for the Mariners, would he still have a 107 tRA+, or is that partly because he pitches in San Diego?

by b_rider on Sep 23, 2008 2:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice

Nice job, Matthew – this is better than any of the previous incarnations of this idea. This overcomes a lot of the distribution of talent problems and does a paint a better picture on a league wide basis.

However, I’d still argue that for practical purposes, labeling a pitcher as a specific type (#1 or #5 or whatever) based on a comparison of the entire league isn’t all that helpful. There are a decent number of teams that simply aren’t trying to contend in any given year and are simply in development mode. The Orioles, for example, have given a ton of starts to Radhames Liz this year, even though he’s been unbelievably dreadful, because they’re sacrificing current year performance for future value.

Therefore, if we compare guys like Washburn to a population that includes Liz, it will improve Washburn’s relative value, since guys like Liz drag down the baseline. In reality, however, Washburn isn’t actually any more valuable, because a team like Baltimore doesn’t have interest in him – they’re intentionally choosing a worse 2008 pitcher in order to try and get a better one going forward.

I’m not sure I’m explaining this well, but think of it in terms of leverage – we know that if a team gives up a few runs with a 10-0 lead, those runs don’t really matter much in terms of affecting the outcome of the game. So, if we were evaluating a team’s actual abilities, we wouldn’t really care if their mopup guy had a tRA of 15.00, because we know the marginal value of the runs he’d be giving up wouldn’t add up to even a single win over the course of the year, thanks to how low his leveraged usage would be.

That’s how I see a significant population of the bottom of the pitching distribution in MLB. Teams like Baltimore, Washington, and Pittsburgh aren’t selecting their pitchers from the same population that Boston, Chicago, and New York are, and I don’t believe that there’s a real inherent value that we need to credit to the bottom of the pyramid of “contending team pitchers” for being better than the guys in the “non contending team pitchers” pool. Sure, they’re better, but not in a way that is accurately reflected when the baseline combines both pools of pitchers.

by davidcameron on Sep 23, 2008 2:28 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Also, this might help explain it

We have a pretty good understanding that replacement level for starting pitchers is somewhere between 15-20 percent below average. There have been a ton of studies on replacement level that all come to this same general conclusion.

So, if reality shows that #5 starters actually are pitching at a level 24% below average, then it logically follows that #5 starters are, as a group, worse than replacement level. Teams aren’t the smartest organizations ever, but they’re not all ridiculously stupid – for that to be true, we’d have to assume that teams are specifically ignoring the difference between #5 starter performance and replacement level and not bothering to make the upgrade.

I’d theorize that they’re choosing to allow below replacement level performance because, in general, the teams that are employing pitchers who pitch at that level for any sustained period of time just don’t care as much about wins and losses as a contending team. Their lack of interest represents a reduced demand for that healthy-replacement-level-no-upside starter, and a reduced demand translates into reduced value.

by davidcameron on Sep 23, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

some -- i'm not sure how many -- pitchers are true-talent replacement-level pitchers, but perform below it due to chance/variation

and that would go for a “skill” metric like tRA and not just something results-oriented like ERA.

i’m sure Dave and others are fully aware of this.

another thing, is replacement-level for starters really only believed to be 15-20% below average? i’ve always used a 5.75 ERA as replacement level, although that’s been for anywhere between a 4.50 and 4.75 league-ERA over the last few years. that’s anywhere from 21 to 28% worse than average.

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by Sky Kalkman on Sep 23, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I'm understanding this correctly

you’re right, there would be an inflationary effect, but I’m not sure it would really be all that significant. Technically speaking, every team is selecting its pitchers from the same population. Just because Boston and New York tend to end up with the better ones doesn’t really mean that much, because generally speaking the same pitchers are going to be getting ~the same playing time, no matter how they’re distributed among the teams. Obviously there will be exceptions (like Liz), but by and large, the Major Leagues are selective for the top of the talent pyramid.

Or, in pictures:

Matthew’s post assumes the upper triangle. You seem to be talking about the lower one. While the two are different, I’m not sure the difference is all that meaningful.

by Jeff Sullivan on Sep 23, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I get what you're saying.

I just didn’t see a good way to correct for that without being subjective because look at Philadelphia, they’re obviously not auditioning starters for 2009 but they gave 29 starts to Kyle Kendrick and his 71 tRA+.

Personally, I’d rather we just do away with “roles” like this and just look at runs to replacement or average, but hey, people are going to bandy about “he’s a #2” no matter what, so I at least wanted something to reference.

by Matthew on Sep 23, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

But a 90 tRA+ pitcher that stays healthy enough to log 180 innings is valuable because he keeps you from having to turn to those replacement 80 tRA+ pitchers for spot starts and that’s what I want to be apparent here.

Which also speaks to the importance of ensuring you leave spring training with four or five AAAA starting pitchers stashed away in the minor leagues (or in your bullpen) so you are not forced to scrape the barrel when pitchers crash and burn during the season. There a difference in what is “freely available talent” in January as compared with July.

by Steve Nelson on Sep 23, 2008 2:59 PM PDT reply actions  

great point

this was a big problem for the Yankees this year, and that’s absurd to say about a team with such a high payroll.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Sep 23, 2008 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

But this isn't true of every team, and that gets back to Dave's point above

Depending on your definition, four or five AAAA starters would’ve meant that RRS never got the chance to transition to becoming a starter. It’s debatable whether Morrow would as well.
The Yankees probably could’ve used a few more of them (or rather, the right ones; I’m sure they could’ve given you four or five names in late March), but I’m not sure it’s in the best interest of the Orioles, M’s or A’s to do this.

Teams each need to balance depth to avoid using sub-replacement level players with player development strategies, which will tolerate sub-replacement level performance in the furtherance of long-term goals.

by marc w on Sep 23, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

distribution graph

To help illustrate this, it would be nice to have a graph of the distribution of tRA+ for starters with the lines put (roughly calling them out as quartiles or something along those lines). If no one is up for doing it in the next couple of hours, I’ll fire up R when I get home.

by batura on Sep 23, 2008 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty much

I am curious to see stuff like how normal the data is, how many pitchers are in each marker vs how tight the markers are— helps to see that stuff graphically.

I did misread the original post— I first read it as he used the math to set up how big each group was, but it instead he used to to calculate how wide to make each maker and each marker group is a straight 20%.

by batura on Sep 23, 2008 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

graph

Using the data from the statcorner.com leaderboard. Starters for 07/08 with 100 xIP.

by batura on Sep 23, 2008 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome stuff, Matthew.

I joined someone earlier this week (Fogel, I think) in arguing that Kuroda had been a solid No. 2. So it’s nice to see the data support that.

I wonder if Kuroda can keep it up, obviously, but there’s no arguing that he’s had a pretty damn good year.

by Teej on Sep 24, 2008 1:30 AM PDT reply actions  

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